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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hitech on October 16, 2003, 02:18:04 PM
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You clueless dolts. AHII Beta does not represent what it will be in it's final form.
The purpose of beta is not for players to evaulate AHII as a product. A beta's purpose is for Us to evaluate items that we wish tested.
The primary purpose of why we did this release was to find core problem issues. And we expected them to be there. People discussion simple things like all planes having the same tracers is just idodic and stupid. There are to many detail items to be written before desussing things at that level. But they are all based off a solid fondation, and thats what we are solidifing and testing at the moment.
If you wish to play a game, beta testing is not for you, especialy in the early stages.
If the best feed back from testing you can do amounts to "AHII Sucks", Well beta testing is not for you, and I would apreicate you don't take part in it.
HiTech
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Oh crap, we pissed him off!
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Well i think his point is valid.
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If it's a beta of AH2 there should be some kind of game play beta tested.
This beta actually is a beta of the graphics engine AH2 is going to use.
The file name of AH2... is a bit misleading and might contribute to that confusion :p
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It really is, a lot of good feedback has come from the Beta...but a lot of "Gee I dont think I like AH2" threads are sprouting up too.
Pretty silly
I like it, so far, anxious to see how they improve things from here on in
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Wail , win yew pizz the bozz auf so bad he kaint spell
werth a damyn yew mite wanna bak auf sum , he jests
wantz 2 cee wot he n they n's kneed 2 werk on ..stupid
Wif hi regards
Bolt45:rofl
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For some of us that beta is almost unplayable due fps. I suppose graphic engine issues may be discovered and investigated with 10 trees or with 30 trees, so, can we have a beta release with less objects (not just less detailed ones)? I may be wrong, but I think the big impact is in the number of displayed objectcs no matter the res, I had same fps results at any resolution, from 640 to 1600.
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Originally posted by ccvi
If it's a beta of AH2 there should be some kind of game play beta tested.
This beta actually is a beta of the graphics engine AH2 is going to use.
The file name of AH2... is a bit misleading and might contribute to that confusion :p
Did you read the release news post? Did you read the 2 sticky posts in the BETA Test forum? How many places do we need to put what we are looking for in this BETA test?
Gameplay is irrelevant right now.
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if your system cant handle a beta test or if your personality cant handle it then dont force yourself to suffer through it.
You arent missing out on anything.
I think that being an early beta its pretty exciting. Theres a reason why some companies have prolonged closed betas. Just posting complaints makes it hard filter out the noise to find the real issues.
I am no fan boi but its pretty obvious that some miss understand what a beta is.
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Skuzzy could not have said any clearer what they wanted to cull in the form of feedback. They were looking for things that caused CTDs etc.
They are not interested in complaints about tracers at this point...which I am guilty of commenting on.
Just look at beta as a friendly assignment from HTC to help them make a better game for us. Equate it to volunteer work, and follow the bosses instructions.
G/L.
P.S....A CLUELESS DOLT?!!??:eek:
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All you have to do is stick to whats in the sticky!
Please pardon the pun.:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Did you read the release news post? Did you read the 2 sticky posts in the BETA Test forum? How many places do we need to put what we are looking for in this BETA test?
Gameplay is irrelevant right now.
How 'bout a pop up when we start the game?:D
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AH2 Open Beta
The open beta of AH2 is now available for download. It's about 37 MB.
http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/AH19900.EXE
Aces High II Version 1.99 Open Beta
The Beta version of AH2 will install in a separate directory and can be launched from Start/Program Files/HTC/Aces High II. Installation of the Beta will not affect your existing Aces High install. The beta only supports offline play.
The purpose of this limited open beta version is to test core level functionality and performance across a wide spectrum of hardware configurations. We're interested in lockups, crashes, major rendering errors, and frame-rate. Please make your reports in the AH2 Beta bug forum on our message board. Please refrain from reporting minor bugs (like tracers or some gauges not displaying correctly) at this time. We'll be soliciting reports for those and gameplay issues in subsequent versions of the beta. When making reports please include your system specs.
It would be very beneficial to get the video card make/model/ram and driver version information as you report bugs. Thank you.
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
skuzzy@hitechcreations.co
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The purpose of this limited open beta version is to test core level functionality and performance across a wide spectrum of hardware configurations. We're interested in lockups, crashes, major rendering errors, and frame-rate.
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
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:rofl :aok
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It's beta stupid.
ROFL...Oh man, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.
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i looked up beta so its no help there if they dont know what Beta in gaming is
Beta
Be´ta n. The second letter of the Greek alphabet, B, B, and cf. etymology of Alphabet. Beta (B, (a) (Astron.) To designate some bright star, usually the second brightest, of a constellation, as, . (b) (Chem.) To distinguish one of two or more isomers; also, to indicate the position of substituting atoms or groups in certain compounds; as, . With acids, it commonly indicates that the substituent is in union with the carbon atom next to that to which the carboxyl group is attached.
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LOL, now that's PR! :) Seriously, ya gotta love HTC, what a breath of fresh air. No stuffy corporate EA BS here.
Charon
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I am clueless and I am dolt but I am not a clueless dolt :)
stupid goes without saying ..
:aok
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Did you read the release news post? Did you read the 2 sticky posts in the BETA Test forum? How many places do we need to put what we are looking for in this BETA test?
Gameplay is irrelevant right now.
I guess you did not even try to understand the main point of my post.
It's not about what this beta is about, but what the naming and announcements suggests it is.
To answer your questions: Yes, I did read the announcement and the stickies. The one place where to put what it is all about is the title. "AH2 Open Beta" as thread title and AH19900.EXE as filename seem to be a bit misleading.
The same is true for the manual. It's pretty hard to find, if someone is looking for something actually called "manual". Something called "help" might not appeal to someone looking for a real manual.
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Originally posted by hitech
You clueless dolts.
HiTech
lol never were truer words spoken. WTG hitech
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Open Beta means it is open to everyone. Then a description of what the Open Beta is about followed. Your "point" flies in the face of what we asked for ccvi.
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Originally posted by hitech
You clueless dolts. AHII Beta does not represent what it will be in it's final form.
The purpose of beta is not for players to evaulate AHII as a product. A beta's purpose is for Us to evaluate items that we wish tested.
The primary purpose of why we did this release was to find core problem issues. And we expected them to be there. People discussion simple things like all planes having the same tracers is just idodic and stupid. There are to many detail items to be written before desussing things at that level. But they are all based off a solid fondation, and thats what we are solidifing and testing at the moment.
If you wish to play a game, beta testing is not for you, especialy in the early stages.
If the best feed back from testing you can do amounts to "AHII Sucks", Well beta testing is not for you, and I would apreicate you don't take part in it.
HiTech
HAHAHAHAHA!
Well said.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Open Beta means it is open to everyone. Then a description of what the Open Beta is about followed. Your "point" flies in the face of what we asked for ccvi.
It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.
Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".
Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.
No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).
You're looking too much from the perspective of someone knowing everything what's going on, or at least everything that has been written something about.
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I think you arguing stupid logic...any non-Dolt should be able to figure out what they want & stick to that.
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Originally posted by ccvi
It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.
Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".
Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.
It's more like offering to let someone test drive a new model porche, but only on a closed track, and with an unfinished interior.
"Open beta" means "It's a public test" not "it's a game".
I think you're confusing Ah2 with AH2:TOD. Ah2 is the graphics engine and flight model improvments. AH2:TOD is the new arena, and isn't going to be releaed untill well after the ah2 update.
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Originally posted by ccvi
It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.
Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".
Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.
No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).
You're looking too much from the perspective of someone knowing everything what's going on, or at least everything that has been written something about.
I think you are the only one confused:confused:
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Originally posted by Innominate
It's more like offering to let someone test drive a new model porche, but only on a closed track, and with an unfinished interior.
If you need to worry about linguistic detail maybe. Independed of the difference between classic and TOD the announcement title and file name could have indicated the nature of the beta.
"Open beta" means "It's a public test" not "it's a game".
I think you're confusing Ah2 with AH2:TOD. Ah2 is the graphics engine and flight model improvments. AH2:TOD is the new arena, and isn't going to be releaed untill well after the ah2 update.
AH2 isn't the game engine - it's the game. Classic and TOD are different arenas within. "open beta" means it's a public test of whatever thing it is beta off - in this case AH2, the game - not one of the areans of course.
Regardless of hair splitting, more information in the title and file name does avoid confusion among non-readers.
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Originally posted by ccvi
It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.
Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".
Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.
Who are you to dictate the meaning of "AH2 Beta"?
I mean, seriously.
It doesnt matter what is being tested; beta is not a finished product. Beta is beta.
YOU develop and code a game. YOU put up with Clueless Dolts (TM). Then YOU can create the meaning of your own personal "beta". There's no need to attack Skuzzy for that. HT goes out of his way and wastes precious time explaining the meaning of 'beta'.
Had you actually read the announcements, then this would have made sense to you.
No difference here. Something called "AH2 Open Beta" is an open beta of AH2. A graphics engine test of AH2's gfx engine might have been advertised as "Open Beta of AH2 graphics engine" and 90% of the confusion avoided. Nearly all neccessary information is available immediately, not in the last paragraph of an announcement or somewhere hidden on a discussion forum. (whoever posts there might have read the stickies, but someone not posting there will still get the wrong impression after skipping a few lines of the initial announcement while reading).
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Confusion is relative. And now you're trying to tell HTC how to make announcements! I'm assuming you misread and are just now trying to defend your first post.
In this case you're wrong, admit it and move on.
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Ehehehehe
Lucky for me, I wrote a favorable review :D
You dolts who wrote negative article are in big trouble!
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Everyone screamed for a bone... but after getting their bone, they want to know why there isn't any meat on it :D
I am happy to test the beta.
I saw on the message boards the kind of problems all of the other Radeon users were having, and now I am waiting for a patch. I know Hitech has done this sort of thing more than once. I have enjoyed the previous results immensely, and I am sure that he will continue to provide the best solution to online WW2 air combat simulation/gaming.
I don't even have time to play AH anymore, but I keep paying my subscription because I want to see Hitech continue to succeed. The evolution from CK to Warbirds to AH has set an impressive trend. I am patient enough to wait for the next step. I would hate to leave the future of flight sims up to MS and UBI.
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HAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
Oh man that's beautiful. The title of this thread sums up my thoughts exactly upon seeing all of the "waaa the drones just disappear" posts.
Heh.
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Originally posted by ccvi
If it's a beta of AH2 there should be some kind of game play beta tested.
This beta actually is a beta of the graphics engine AH2 is going to use.
The file name of AH2... is a bit misleading and might contribute to that confusion :p
Hey mensa, thanks for proving that common sense is indeed the greatest oxymoron in any language.
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Why does my joystick not work in AHIII?
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Wow.I said in my post the management couldnt say it so I would but Clueless dolts kinda sums it up perfectly.:rofl :rofl :aok
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The little that I know, I owe to my ignorance.
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WTFG HiTech I love you man!
i hope you had a good flight yesterday. you deserve it!
you didnt go neg-g's and leave oil all over that belly pan did you?
i soon will join the ranks of players with a video card that is of higher quality and be able to spend more time giving what i only hope is helpful information. (though i need to learn what parts of the dxdiag i can leave out to shorten it from over 60,000 charecters LOL).
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Originally posted by Octavius
Who are you to dictate the meaning of "AH2 Beta"?
I mean, seriously.
It doesnt matter what is being tested; beta is not a finished product. Beta is beta.
YOU develop and code a game. YOU put up with Clueless Dolts (TM). Then YOU can create the meaning of your own personal "beta". There's no need to attack Skuzzy for that. HT goes out of his way and wastes precious time explaining the meaning of 'beta'.
Had you actually read the announcements, then this would have made sense to you.
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Confusion is relative. And now you're trying to tell HTC how to make announcements! I'm assuming you misread and are just now trying to defend your first post.
In this case you're wrong, admit it and move on.
Right about here is where your father would be telling you to shut your mouth and hope everyone forgets what a fool you made of yourself.
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somebody needs to pull the daredevil out of ccvi's gills.
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@HT beta is not stiupid
you just relase them montyhs ago, to prepere us for new stuff
now people ar a bit disapointed cuz they expect something better then il2/fb offline game
beta is buggym, but i STILL belive AH is best online ww2 som game on the world
AH2 will be best:)
just keep working and dont loose contact with comunity as you act before
regards
ramzye
(poinsoned on MINICON by Jim Beam or something ;-) )
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Originally posted by Martlet
Right about here is where your father would be telling you to shut your mouth and hope everyone forgets what a fool you made of yourself.
truth hurts?
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Blunt as a spoon HT! lol
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Originally posted by Octavius
truth hurts?
Which truth would you be referring to?
That he doesn't understand what a beta is?
That he doesn't know when to shut up?
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PUNT :rofl
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Originally posted by Martlet
Which truth would you be referring to?
That he doesn't understand what a beta is?
That he doesn't know when to shut up?
so you agree with me.
why would i shut up?
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sure hope everyone knows thats it not the final product. Alot of things dont work yet but I had a blast with it. I love the ground on the beta. Was wondering if the new flight model was in it though. Im guessing not casue it felt like the old one. (wich isnt bad cause I liked it.) Had a harder time taking off though. ALL said I cant wait until the final product be released. Nice having something though. Love the new hangars and airports. Sun looks great too. Think Ill like the new tracers when their finished. Looks good though, I had fun with it.
Guess Im kindof juging it inaway when I shouldnt be yet. First beta Ive tried. My Frames only droped 7fps.
I had AH1 locked on 60 and got between 54 and 50 with the beta.
<> HTC, Cant wait for the release date of the final product. Hope that to many people dont judge it by the beta. Them new farm places already got me hooked to AH2
P4
256ram, rambus
GF3 TI500125mb
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Originally posted by Sarge
i looked up beta so its no help there if they dont know what Beta in gaming is
Beta
Be´ta n. The second letter of the Greek alphabet, B, B, and cf. etymology of Alphabet. Beta (B, (a) (Astron.) To designate some bright star, usually the second brightest, of a constellation, as, . (b) (Chem.) To distinguish one of two or more isomers; also, to indicate the position of substituting atoms or groups in certain compounds; as, . With acids, it commonly indicates that the substituent is in union with the carbon atom next to that to which the carboxyl group is attached.
It's just because you don't have the right dictionnary
in the Nerd's dico. (aka jargon file)
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/beta.html
beta: /bay´t@/, /be´t@/, /bee´t@/, n.
1. Mostly working, but still under test; usu. used with “in”: in beta. In the Real World, hardware or software systems often go through two stages of release testing: Alpha (in-house) and Beta (out- house?). Beta releases are generally made to a group of lucky (or unlucky) trusted customers.
2. Anything that is new and experimental. “His girlfriend is in beta” means that he is still testing for compatibility and reserving judgment.
3. Flaky; dubious; suspect (since beta software is notoriously buggy).
Historical note: More formally, to beta-test is to test a pre-release (potentially unreliable) version of a piece of software by making it available to selected (or self-selected) customers and users. This term derives from early 1960s terminology for product cycle checkpoints, first used at IBM but later standard throughout the industry. Alpha Test was the unit, module, or component test phase; Beta Test was initial system test. These themselves came from earlier A- and B-tests for hardware. The A-test was a feasibility and manufacturability evaluation done before any commitment to design and development. The B-test was a demonstration that the engineering model functioned as specified. The C-test (corresponding to today's beta) was the B-test performed on early samples of the production design, and the D test was the C test repeated after the model had been in production a while.
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Calling this an open beta may have been a bit misleading if you compare it to beta tests of other online games like Day of Defeat or the like. Those games are usually quite playable when released as beta. However you must consider that Hitechcreations is a small company with very limited resources/staff to do alpha testing (in-house testing). Considering that the AH community is a lot more close knit than most other game communities with good communication with the developers, this release should be considered an open alpha release. Perhaps if it had been named so there would have been less misunderstanding ... then again many people here probably didn't know what alpha or beta testing is in the first place. We should help HTC flush out the bugs rather than bicker about how unfinished it is. The former will help get our game faster, the latter will not. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Oh crap, we pissed him off!
LOL :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Calling this an open beta may have been a bit misleading if you compare it to beta tests of other online games like Day of Defeat or the like. Those games are usually quite playable
Beta tests lasting for years are not uncommon, and often cover a VERY long period of development. From finishing the engine, to minor gameplay tweaks.
Many recent games have used the final part of thier beta test as a free preview. I suspect this is part of the cause of people thinking that beta means 'Free game to play'. It doesn't.
A beta test is a test. It's not a free game. It's a period where the devs take partially working alpha code, let others test it, so they can fix the many problems that are difficult to find without a wider test group. 3d video issues are one of the toughest types of problems to deal with, since there is such a wide range of possible configurations, most of which are broken in some way.
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You're right, hitech. As a matter of fact, I think there's a global infestation growing day-by-day.
Perhaps you should consider a system-based closed beta for the next few iterations?
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Originally posted by Octavius
so you agree with me.
why would i shut up?
I quoted the wrong post. My apologies.
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lol! um
carry on :aok
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Even though I get poor frame rates - this is what I expected from a beta. I like what I see so far and am very happy for this major update.
Looks like I'll enjoy AH11
Acetnt
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OMG Hitech!!! You don't know how many times I've wanted to say that to the mass of "clueless dolts" that are invited to test software. I mean seriously, I develop software, give it to a client and tell them to test it. The responses from that testing are usually: "Gee, do you think you could put that button 2 pixels to the left?" or "Boy, this would really work better if you could just make this change."
I thought I made myself clear when I told the client to "Please test the functionality of this software as it stands now. I'm looking for any major flaws in the logic, or system crashing type events that I may have missed in my dev environment." Obviously people are just as clueless testing games as they are testing enterprise software.
WTG guys. I know what it's like working a small team with HUGE expectations. Keep up the great work!
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LOL. This is kind-of amusing.
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Originally posted by fullback
Perhaps you should consider a system-based closed beta for the next few iterations?
I agree. As a matter of fact, it's probably the way it should have gone from the beginning. ;)
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I jus tlove the title. I had decided not to try the beta at this time because of what was said. That it wasn't the online game yet but just testing. I haven't taken much time to play these days. So I'll wait for awhile. But from a couple of reviews, it's looking good. So I cann't wait for it to finally come out as the game we're looking forward to.
I was able to play this game when it was first released as an open beta. It has come a long ways.
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Typical poster on the ah2 beta forums:
why cant my voodoo 1 and pentium 133 run ah2 YOU SUCK HITECH I EVEN HAVE TEH SLI TYPE-R WHAT DOES BETA MEAN I WANT MY MPONEY BACK FOR IT!
go go luwftwaffle rocket!
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SHADDDDUP
I'm tryin to have a quiet beer in the tower!!!!!
Bumba
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Originally posted by hitech
You clueless dolts. AHII Beta does not represent what it will be in it's final form.
The purpose of beta is not for players to evaulate AHII as a product. A beta's purpose is for Us to evaluate items that we wish tested.
The primary purpose of why we did this release was to find core problem issues. And we expected them to be there. People discussion simple things like all planes having the same tracers is just idodic and stupid. There are to many detail items to be written before desussing things at that level. But they are all based off a solid fondation, and thats what we are solidifing and testing at the moment.
If you wish to play a game, beta testing is not for you, especialy in the early stages.
If the best feed back from testing you can do amounts to "AHII Sucks", Well beta testing is not for you, and I would apreicate you don't take part in it.
HiTech
Nice customer relations... geesh
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Sometimes ya just gotta call a spade a spade.:aok
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The big guy sends out a blanket insult and some of ya'll nuzzle up like it was a pat on the back :rofl
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If you think that was a blanket insult your obviously one of the "Clueless Dolts" HT was refering to.It was aimed at those who were not reading the letters properly and crying about how A) If this was what the game was going to be like it sucked. B) the things people were posting about were Items that HTC said they werent intrested in at this time.IE Tracers,Gauges ect ect.
Apparently being astute enough to read the Beta Forum was extreamly limited to non clueless dolts and even then most of those who didnt read what HTC were looking for didnt post whines on the BBS.,Those that just downloaded it and *****ed without knowing what the object was are the ones that was directed to.Course...if you had actually READ the post that HT and Skuzzy wrote you would know that.Blanket insult?Hardly.I think it was very selective.:rofl
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Originally posted by ccvi
It's not about what this beta is about, but what the naming and announcements suggests it is.
Simply put CCVI,
You're a Class A1 IMBECILE!
Please go play WW2 Online and leave us alone. You will fit in so much better over there.
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Originally posted by DrDea
If you think that was a blanket insult your obviously one of the "Clueless Dolts" HT was refering to.It was aimed at those who were not reading the letters properly and crying about how A) If this was what the game was going to be like it sucked. B) the things people were posting about were Items that HTC said they werent intrested in at this time.IE Tracers,Gauges ect ect.
Apparently being astute enough to read the Beta Forum was extreamly limited to non clueless dolts and even then most of those who didnt read what HTC were looking for didnt post whines on the BBS.,Those that just downloaded it and *****ed without knowing what the object was are the ones that was directed to.Course...if you had actually READ the post that HT and Skuzzy wrote you would know that.Blanket insult?Hardly.I think it was very selective.:rofl
"You clueless dolts"
preceeded by: "It's beta stupid"
I don't read between the lines... I just read, think of the business sense and find hilarity in that the "doltness" is equal to both sender and reciever(s).
:rofl
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Ahem...
Spend less time arguing with idiots guys and concentrate on testing the beta file you downloaded and installed. They need info from us and they need it now.
Anytime you see a 'wahhh-it-doesn't-work' post just reply with the beta message from the sticky and leave it at that.
Why do I care? Ok, I must admit a little selfishness here. The sooner they get the info they need the sooner we get the game we want. When that happens I get to tell the wife I need a new computer to play, along with 500 bucks of CH controls. :D
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Fanbois crack me up. I swear, Dale could say, "I like cheese.", and you all would fall over yourselves saying...
"WFTG hitech! You tell those none cheese likers!! Holy crap, I like cheese too!! Can you send me a tissue you have used to pat your brow?!
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Someone doesn't like being exposed as a dolt :p
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I want fanbois. :(
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I want fanbois. :(
Will a Cheerleader do? :D (http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/cheerleader.gif) :lol
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Originally posted by ccvi
It's like offering "Porsche 911" on ebay in the category for cars.
Then the description reads "1:20 scale model".
Someone might actually bid the price for a 1:1 scale car, confused by the title.
Yes, and that person would be a clueless dolt . . .
Actually he's a moron studying to be an idiot who, at his best, could only hope to be just stupid.
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"Ask not what Beta can do for you, But what you can do for Beta!"
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Clueless Dolt? LMAO Ohhhhh my sides!!!! :rofl