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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: davidpt40 on October 22, 2003, 05:37:59 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031021/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_r_r_2
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Whoa, 16 out of 3000, it's a mutiny in the general ranks!
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I'm sure they will return when they wake up from their alchol induced stupors.
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The vast majority ... have already been tracked back to guys who missed planes, missed connections — one man's house burned down
His house burned down and he didn't return on time?! We're doomed!
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More disturbing the suicide rate of services members has gone up.
As well as the hardships placed on servicemembers families....
I'm not sure that many Americans realize that when a reservist gets called for active duty, they get military pay and their employer is not obligated to pay them their salary during this time... military pay is usually substantially less than their regular pay check.
Thus... if they were just getting by before, the hardship is even worse.... not only is there an emotional burden of being separated for a year or more and the serious concern of getting killed... there's also the financial struggle that the spouses and children have to endure.
There are many service member's famillies who had to seek out help from local churches, charities, community services such as food stamps and even wellfare, and still there are debts to pay.. and creditors threathening ligation (typical American attitude! We don't care what your spouse is doing for the country... just give us our money)
Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?
Congress is making an effort to help service members out by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check with admendments to the Soldiers & Sailors Civil Relief Act. Section 206 (50 U.S.C. App. § 526)
However, they're slow to act.... again... the Republican congress and White house is quick to go to war, quick to get 87 billion in aide for Iraq...
yet the service members who are making the sacrificies and making this all possible... are getting the shaft by their conservative government..because their conservative government is concerned about over paying service members. Yet we can over pay Iraq 20 billion? And Iraq has oil they can use a collateral.
Why can't they just do the right thing and not worry about if one service memeber gets $1 too much... one of the issues holding up the relief is the arguement the Bush adminsitration is making that only members that are Overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan should recieve compensation... However, I say whether a service member is state side or overseas... for every service member overseas, we need 10 state side to support them in logistics, training, command and controll... what ever!!
It's all the same effort!!!
Please write your congressmen and ask them to do the right thing... they should expedite authorization of hardship pay and compesation with the same speed at which they authorized to fund this bogus war and the WarBucks they are giving to Bush and his civilian buddies who are profiting from this illegal act of mass murder and left.
http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20030914/frontpage/99897.shtml
http://www.legalpr.com/Washington%20Post%20-%20Steve%20Camp%20Garedere%20Civil%20Relief%20Act%20of%201940.html
http://www.illinoislawhelp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentid=83
http://www.mshq.net/guides/militarypay.shtml
http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/03/10/4/17568527.cfm
http://www.afsa.org/congress/legupdate040403.cfm
http://www.honolulu-pacific.feb.gov/cola/updatelocality.doc
http://www.phillysheriff.com/SSCRA.HTM
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
His house burned down and he didn't return on time?! We're doomed!
Seriously! What kind of pink socks twinkle toes types are they letting into the service these days!
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I'm not sure that many Americans realize that when a reservist gets called for active duty, they get military pay and their employer is not obligated to pay them their salary during this time... military pay is usually substantially less than their regular pay check.
Thus... if they were just getting by before, the hardship is even worse.... not only is there an emotional burden of being separated for a year or more and the serious concern of getting killed... there's also the financial struggle that the spouses and children have to endure.
There are many service member's famillies who had to seek out help from local churches, charities, community services such as food stamps and even wellfare, and still there are debts to pay.. and creditors threathening ligation (typical American attitude! We don't care what your spouse is doing for the country... just give us our money)
Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?
Who forced them to sign up? Do you think they might have had an idea what the deal was when they signed?
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Ummm....its a volunteer force....
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Let me do the balance sheet for simple minds to understand...
America Gives 87 billion to Iraq.. who... harbor terrorists... hate the US... are killing Americans DAILY.... who have trillions of dollars worth in oil....
America gives 0 to it's service members who are going into debt because they have mortgages to pay, children to feed, and their military pay check doesn't cover the bills.... and let's not forget they are a risking their lives in a war zone...
And that's ok because the service men are volunteers and they knew what they were getting into.
Man you Republicans are twisted
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Saying "its a volunteer force" or "nobody made them join!" is equivalent to a car company saying "nobody made them buy this car" when confronted with the fact that it explodes when in fender-benders.
I have no qualms with forcing our troops to fight, its their job, but at least the Government should take care of them and their families.
We are never going to win this Iraq situation. Casualties will escalate and the next admininstration will pull our troops out. And thats a fact.
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Your analogy is weak.
Point is, they signed up, they serve. No one made them go...ala no draft.
Whether its popular or not, they made a committment and will see it thru.
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yeah, they should have read the fine print
It looks something like this:
Thank you for joining our military forces to protect our country. By signing the dotted like you consent to the fact that you will be underpaid, screwed and generaly f___d in every which way possible without access to any lubricants. We hope that any high ideas and dillusions about seriving the nation and its people will keep you motived thoughout the service and you will not notice non-existant wages, being overworked, and away from the loved ones more then anyone else on the planet. As a compensation americans agreed to use bumper stickers with "Never forget" and "Support our troops" on their cars, along with national flags, at least till they go out of fashion. And if that doesn't make you all nice, warm and tingly inside, then you should remember that you VOLUNTEERED, you moron !!!
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Originally posted by fd ski
yeah, they should have read the fine print
It looks something like this:
Thank you for joining our military forces to protect our country. By signing the dotted like you consent to the fact that you will be underpaid, screwed and generaly f___d in every which way possible without access to any lubricants. We hope that any high ideas and dillusions about seriving the nation and its people will keep you motived thoughout the service and you will not notice non-existant wages, being overworked, and away from the loved ones more then anyone else on the planet. As a compensation americans agreed to use bumper stickers with "Never forget" and "Support our troops" on their cars, along with national flags, at least till they go out of fashion. And if that doesn't make you all nice, warm and tingly inside, then you should remember that you VOLUNTEERED, you moron !!!
Hey, you just cut and pasted that from the UCMJ! I'd recognize Article 134 anywhere!
-Sik
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I'm with dementednexus on this one.
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Nexus and ski, you two are a real class acts. As a ten year member of the armed forces and a 6 year reserve member I take exception to your "lets screw 'em" attitude you think is a product of the Republicans. The reserve force is a volunteer force, it is manned mostly by prior-service veterans.
Let me make this clear: THE SINGLE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO SERVICE MEMBER FISCAL HARDSHIP IS FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.
When you join the reserves you EXPECT to get called up for ANY length of time. When you get the call they will tell you the length of time but it is the SM's obligation to have everything in order BEFORE deployment. This BS about we don't know what we are getting into is tripe from those who really don't know and think they do. Being a member of the active reserve is nothing but training and preparation for deployment. There is a code (MAS) that each member has that reflects their deployment status in terms of readiness. It is the SM's responsibility to make sure they are in a MAS code which means they are deployable at any given notice. If they can not maintain this code they are admined out or sent to IRR.
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DiabloTX, what was your longest deployment?
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Originally posted by davidpt40
DiabloTX, what was your longest deployment?
I have volunteered twice and have yet to be deployed. Our unit has several members that are going over 12 months and we have a few that only went 4 months. Force security is the big issue.
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Diablo, i did my time, 4 active and 2 reserves ( inactive ).
I have no problem with someone being deployed, they indeed volunteered for it.
Problem is destroying lifes/careers/families.
Say out of patriotic notions i had joined reserves ( as i considered doing while back ) and got deployed overseas for 2 years.
My family income would decline by 85% that day.
Now, i'm lucky enough to work for company that cares about veterans and keeps paying a part of salary that government doesn't cover, but that's good will. They don't have to.
So say they didn't.
My wife and child would be on WELFARE the day i left. And our compasionate repubicans would be screeming on top of their lungs that she should "get a second job".
Well, my answer to that is: s___w you.
My family comes first.
If by serving my country i'm huring my family, then i'm not going.
I'm willing to do the sacrifice, but rest of you a____s staying behind and waving flags should be doing some form of safcrifice too. Puting bumper stickers on your cars doesn't count.
I'd say raise taxes and pay service members what they would be earning in their every day profession. Add a cluase to the contract that military has an option of releasing a member from duty if they are too highly paid, and upon being called up, pay the same paycheck that employeer did.
So that those left behind, spouses and children, can at least be fed as they sit home watching TV wondering when it's a turn of thier loved ones to get blown up in iraq by a nutcase.
Better ?
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>>I take exception to your "lets screw 'em" attitude you think is a product of the Republicans
I also am a veteran of the USAF much more active duty time than you have... and I've walked the halls of the CIA, Pentagon, Congress, and the NSA.... swapping creditials doesn't mean watermelon on a BBS.
I take great except to this president recklessly endangering other peoples lives - specifically because he did so by lying!
I don't disagree that Saddam was a bad man.. but that's not why we go to war. There's 133 nations on this planet... and the majority of them are dictatorships or some kind of governement not modeled after our own.
It is not in our countries interest to go to war with each nation that we deem as "evil."
The arguement which the Bush Administration is now proporting is absurd... ("Saddam was an evil dictator!") and was not the original argument he used...
He claimed we had to go to war in SELF DEFENSE because Saddam had STOCK PILES of WMD and they were READY to USE, and Iraq posed an IMMEDIATE threat to the USA.
That was a fabricated lie!
>>When you join the reserves you EXPECT....This BS about we don't know what
No chit!
Did you even check out the links in my first post?
the point, I'm making is that even Congress did not realize the hardship it was imposing upon members of the military and their families...many members of Congress agree with what I'm telling you... our service members need releif... and they are trying to pass an admendment to do this... but it's getting stone walled by the REPUBLICAN controlled majority!! GET IT? DO YOU GET IT YET?
Read the LINKs!
If service members are honorable enough to go to war, be deployed for a year, then we AMERICANS who are not fighting, should have the HONOR to take care of their famillies and not play REPUBLICAN lawyer games and say "Well the knew what they were getting into when they volunteered... touch watermelon if they loose their homes... and are living on food stamps"
There's right and there's WRONG... and that attitude is WRONG...
MORALLY, and it is not the AMERICAN way.... it's the Republican way... but not the American way..
So I think you're comments are BS... especially for someone who says he was in the Service.
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Again, you guys are missing my point. But sense Nexus thinks that he has more active duty time (what? NO reserve time? you know how reserves operate?) and thinks my comments are total BS I can only say you are as guilty as anyone else on this BBS about not opening your eyes. I did not post for the political reasons behind the situation we are in and I didn't post to refute what you and ski said about the situation we are in. You guys, for whatever reason, think that Bush is at fault for the people in the armed services who need assistance. You can choose to believe what you want as it seems thats all you will do. As a current member of the reserve force I can tell you that you are wrong to blame Bush for any kind of problems regarding pay when deployed.
Ski, if your family had to go on welfare THE DAY you got deployed, that means you weren't prepared financially for that day. If your pay dropped by 85% obviously you got paid quite a bit at your civilian job OR you were only an E1 or E2. Some families do better than others at budgeting. Why you guys fail to see this is beyond me. As a senior enlisted member of my unit and responsible for their status I have to council them about finances before deployment.
Nexus, I didn't read your links as I was taking exception to what you posted about finances. I really love your "I have more active time than you do" attitude, it is so refreshing to know that you have more and thus, obviously, you know more about the reserves than I do. As for the financial hardships it has been here WELL before GW took command and if you were very observant you would have known that.
BTW, I have a family member who served for 28 years. During that time he was home about 30% of the time at most. He managed to buy 2 homes, marry, have 2 kids, save money and retire without having to worry about money. How? Saved his money, bought US savings bonds and was smart with how he spent his money. He spent the majority of his time as an E5/E6 and married.
Can you hear me now?
Good.
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It's a volunteer force, but most 17 yr olds don't realize how badly they are going to be screwed.
During a 60 day period of condition 3, port and starboard cruising I figured my, at the time E-4, pay at 13 cents an hour.
Our armed forces should be paid better.
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Financially prepared ?
I'm sorry but not all of us are old farts like you ;)
When i got out of the USN my last years income as E-4 was 16k/year.
I was barely able to feed myself mind you family, have I had one.
I didn't at the time, but I do now.
No 23-year old, after 4 years of service, wife and kid, E5, now in reserves is "financially prepared". he better prays for rich parents, cause welfare ir is.
And spare me your teary-eyed stories about E-5/E-6s you know. Did his spouse work ? How much did she make ? Did he have a second job ? I did. Most of my friends did. 12 hours shifts and then it's a pizza delivery time.
Military pay is crap. Better part of military families, young families, are on welfare and food stamps. Sorry but you can't support family at 20k/year.
Once you get to E-6+time served, it's survivable. But then again, by that time you are a stale old man used to eating whatever is discounted in a local burger joint :)
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Military pay is much better today than it was 30 years when I first enlisted, thanks to Ronald Reagan for the most part.
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>>Bush is at fault for the people in the armed services who need assistance
Bush and the Republicans are stone walling the efforts in congress to give service men relief caused by the current conflict.
Yes Bush and the Republicans are at fault for getting the armed services involved in. Bush is the Command and Cheif.. he's the one that gave the order to go to war and whether you agree or not is responsible for the hardship and the tax bill that American must now endure.
"There are never any bad followers just bad leaders."
>>Nexus thinks that he has more active duty time
You were the first to bring up your military service to give your statements some clout - not I..my comment was it's irrelavent.. and there are plenty more people who have more service than you and I combined.
Yet you continue to harp on this?
>>you know how reserves operate?
What kind of POT are you smoking? I did not post anything about how the reserves operate.
You don't read well do you.
>>Some families do better than others at budgeting
So now it's the service man's fault for not being prepared... not budgeting for war...
Bush and the Republicans are stone walling the efforts in congress to give service men relief caused by the current conflict.
And that's ok with you! eh.
Perhaps the families of the WTC should not have received any help digging out their dead - that probably would have been ok with you too!
And allt he firement and police that died that day - well they were just doing their job... is that you opinion too?
They should have been prepared for terrorism.. that's the risk they take?
So you disagree that servicemen should get any support from Congress?
It's ok that they have to sell their homes, go on food stamps, welfare... etc.
And as a citizen enjoying your freedom and a reservist not yet called up for active duty... are you prepared to sell your house, put your family on food stamps and welfare (which if the Republicans had their way would not exist).
Are you prepared for that?
Ready to do that for your country... because there's several thousand Americans serving this country who have already done that... but that's ok... they should have known that's what they were getting into... right?
That's pretty heartless of you. But it's the typical "Compasionate" Republican response... so much for the "Morals and Family values"...
Is that how your family takes care of their own?
I grew up in a different family - we take care of our own... in this case in America - we should take care of our own. Take care of our service men and their families while they are serving their country...
Politics - right or wrong... history will judge Bush for what he's done, and the lies he's told.
I don't agree with his politics... regardless, we should take care of our own.
And that is exactly what the Republicans aren't doing.
so that Bush can fight his war against WMD.
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Im in awe that when its Bush, its ok to scream how unfair it is to have troops deployed, away from home, yada yada
But when it was Clinton and troops were in Bosnia/Kosovo/etc, and still are, where' s the out pouring of empathy for them?
Oh wait, Bush bad, facts unwelcome.
So sorry, I thought this was a reasonable discussion. Please return to your regularly scheduled witch hunt.
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The wailing is funny. If you can't afford to support your family during a 2 year deployment, then don't freaking enlist. If you take a job then cry about how little it pays, then you're a screwjob for taking it to begin with.
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>>'Greatest Hits of Barbara Streisand' CD.
Barbara Streisand makes one gay? Oh My gawd!
That explains the new window treatments... the earring... the Richard Simons tapes..... alll the Wizard of Oz remorability!
Can she not be stopped!!
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The simple answer is that our military has ALWAYS been screwed, from the beginning of the 1st revolution. They should not be.
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>>Nexus thinks that he has more active duty time
>>You were the first to bring up your military service to give your >>statements some clout - not I..my comment was it's irrelavent.. >>and there are plenty more people who have more service than >>you and I combined.
>>Yet you continue to harp on this?
You were the one to make this an issue, I merely stated my case for relevancy. You made it some kind of "clout" issue for whatever reason. Yet YOU continue to make it an issue.
>>you know how reserves operate?
>>What kind of POT are you smoking? I did not post anything >>about how the reserves operate.
It was a question. I am still waiting for an answer. I'll wait until you've put the crack pipe down.
>>Some families do better than others at budgeting
>>So now it's the service man's fault for not being prepared... >>not budgeting for war...
Well, seeing how all we do is prepare for war, I guess it would be. What do you want, the chain of command to hold every service member's hand? We are all responsible adults and that means we have to be accountable for ourselves. If we are not prepared for overseas deployment its our own fault. But, hey, why not just blame Bush? I mean, he didn't call me to ask my opinion about the war while I am preparing for deployment. Yeah, I see it now, it is his fault.... :rolleyes:
>>Bush and the Republicans are stone walling the efforts in >>congress to give service men relief caused by the current >>conflict.
>>And that's ok with you! eh.
>>So you disagree that servicemen should get any support from >>Congress?
Again, stating something I never said. Coming from you that doesn't surprise me. :aok
>>It's ok that they have to sell their homes, go on food stamps, welfare... etc.
>>And as a citizen enjoying your freedom and a reservist not yet >>called up for active duty... are you prepared to sell your house, >>put your family on food stamps and welfare (which if the >>Republicans had their way would not exist).
>>Are you prepared for that?
Yes, I am paid to be prepared for it. I had the foresight to invest my money and save it at the same time. My family will never need food stamps or welfare. Just to let you know, I have been in school the last 2 years, worked only part time and yet am still more than ready to be deployed for 12 months or more if called to.
>>Ready to do that for your country... because there's several >>thousand Americans serving this country who have already >>done that... but that's ok... they should have known that's >>what they were getting into... right?
>>That's pretty heartless of you. But it's the >>typical "Compasionate" Republican response... so much for >>the "Morals and Family values"...
>>Is that how your family takes care of their own?
That is really pathetic. When you join an establishment be it civilian or government, yeah it would pay to know what you are getting into before signing on the dotted line. Its funny how much you read into things that I type that have no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. But, as you prove with every post, you only believe what you want. Your compassion is to the point that my service to this country apparently means nothing because I am ready for deployment and that my family somehow become a target when all I did was use one member as an example of success.
>>I grew up in a different family - we take care of our own... in t>>his case in America - we should take care of our own. Take >>care of our service men and their families while they are >>serving their country...
Wow, you finally are making sense. What do you think will happen when they get more money? Like most Americans the services are full of members that don't budget as well as they should. I don't know why you can't see this. Obviously walking the halls of the CIA, the Pentagon and other high level areas have made you immune to the average person's plight.
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Nexus, I admire your passion in this regard, I couldn't agree with you more on the issue of taking care of our troops. But your hatred of Bush is apparent and it clouds your arguments as being nothing more than venom against the Republicans and using the average GI's situation as an excuse to accuse GW of whatever you feel. The pay of the armed services is low, GD dude, no argument here, but we do know that it is low, that we can't afford everything we want to. I guarantee you that if more money was the answer it wouldn't solve anything. Most people would just spend it without investing or saving it. What we do need is a tax relief, put more of our money in our pockets. Throwing money at a problem has always been the Democrats answer to problems. In this case it won't help.
Let me tell you about a situation I had with a unit member a couple of months ago. I had to do a counselling on her to establish where she wanted to be in 10 years with the Navy Reserve. The first question that I ask when I do these counselling checks is "Why did you join the Navy reserve?" You know what the most common answer I get is? "For the money and the GI Bill." I then tell them, well, if you joined for the money you joined for the wrong reason. The money isn't here, I tell them, and it never will be. It is up to the individual to research what they are getting into BEFORE signing on and taking the oath.
It breaks my heart to know there are service members that are in hard times due to financial reasons. I also know from actually BEING there that it is more of a product of poor planning than anything. The military has never paid well, will never pay well, and there is no secret that this is the situation.
Ski - Yes, his wife worked as well, just as mine does now and many others not in the military. I got off of active as an E-4 after 4 years like you did. But because of the lousy pay I would never consider starting a family at that time. At 23, you still have plenty of time to do that. When I got out I had saved quite a bit of money and am proud that I had that kind of discipline. I can't say I know too many others that got out with ANY money at all, especially guys who were E5's and E6's and had served 12 years. They didn't save anything and it showed.
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I take exception to the statement about smoking POT.
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Geezus all this talk about military pay:)
All i got when I was in was 467.00 a mouth and that was with jump pay LOL:aok
Look Diablo has a good point .
You really should have all you ducks in a row before you get called up.
But I dod think that there is something really wrong when inlisted mens wifes are having to rely on food stamps:mad:
Mean while we are pumping billions into the Iqagi government.
And you really should never join the military if you entertaine the thought of never having to go to war.
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>>But your hatred of Bush is apparent
I didn't start hating Bush... in fact, I didn't really care one way or another if he or Al Gore became president.
My hatred began when Bush started lying and trampling on the bill of rights and the US Constitution.
He uses the Secret Service to restrict freedom of speach of Antt-Bush, Anti-War protestors.
http://quest.morris.com/stories/011701/gen_0117017765.shtml
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeechlist.cfm?c=86
He's authorized the detaining of US citizens with out due process, with out the right to see a lawyer, without the right to see their families, with out the right to see the evidence against them so that they can proove their innocense.
http://63.147.65.31/socal/terrorist/0202/20/terror06.asp
He has lied to the American public and to the congress concerning military intelligence.
This is NO joke. The Bush Administration is NOT winning in the courts. He's loosing case after case.
The Republican Congress is just as duplicitous in this rape of the US Constitution, because they are either doing nothing about it... or they aiding.
I understand Patrism, defending our National Security, protecting our way of life....
We had good intentions during WWII when we detained Japanese American, We had good intentions during the McCarthy witch hurt too.
The aftermath of 9/11 has shown America hasn't learned it's lesson. It's still reactionary and what makes it worse is when there are leaders willing to lie in order to get their way.
Ends does not Justify the means. We can't arbitarily apply the constitution and the bill of rights based upon who we "feel" or "think" may deserve it's protection.
It must apply to all - with out exception.
Bush and his henchmen swore an oath to uphold the Constitution... and they have done more to destory it and the America way then any Terrorist could have ever hoped to do with their Bombs.
Bush has taken away the integrity and the honor of the Presidency and has done much to destroy America's reputation for fighting for Democracy, Human Rights, and fairness in the world.
The UN held a democratic vote about what to do with Iraq... Bush was impatient to go to war. It didn't matter what Blix found... Bush had predetermined America would go to war with Iraq....
The reasons he gave for justifying this act of SELF DEFENSE have proven to be fabricated lies.
And yet... the Republican mantra and the conservative movement can't see beyond their own propaganda and heated hate for any one who expresses opposition to their point of view.
There is something desparately wrong going on here... in our country... there is no debate... there is a blindness to the self evident facts... the justification for this war were fabricated.
It's hard to believe... and now it's time for reprogramming... new reasons... oh yes! Saddam was evil.. that's why we attacked.
Ok we can digest that... because America is never wrong... we are the righteous.... the rest of the world is wrong.
That's the reinvention of recent history. That's the teflon memory of Americans - nothing sticks.
It's easy to ignore when the majority of us aren't affected by the abuses that are suffered by so few.... yet still there are thousands of Americans that have been illegally detained, questioned, harrased, beaten and denied their constitutional right of due process.
We are our own enemy.. we have become what we so much hate in other countries.
And any one who says other wise is a terrorist loving liberal.
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Did everyone forget the fact that we are having to rely so much on our reserve forces and keeping them for long periods is because the previous president spent eight years gutting the active military?
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Did everyone forget the fact that we are having to rely so much on our reserve forces and keeping them for long periods is because the previous president spent eight years gutting the active military?
Good point.
Maybe if we are going to go to war alot we need the DRAFT:aok
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Actually, that is not correct. Our force structure changed before Clinton. Do a little research on why we rely on our reserves as much as we do.
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I am with Diablo on this one.
If someone joins the Reserves, he/she is accepting the reality that he/she may very well be deployed in time of war or military need.
Someone who joins the reserves and realizes that they might be deployed has to understand they will no longer draw their civilian pay and will have to support their family on the military pay.
If someone does not want to accept the possiblity of deployment, DO NOT ENLIST IN THE RESERVES. Its that simple. I have yet to hear of anyone being forced at gunpoint to join the Reserves. Nor have I heard anyone claiming they were promised a huge salary if deployed, rather I believe the pay issue is quite clear.
During the first "Gulf War", a whole lot of reservists whined about being deployed. It amazed me, the stupid things they said: "I joined the military to get my education paid for, not to have to go to war", "I can't be deployed, I have kids to take care of".
Any of those fools/morons who made such statements and refused to deploy should have been imprisoned for 10 years. (barring true and unexpected hardship cases)
It seems so simple really:
Join the Military Reserves expect the following:
1) You may be deployed in time of war to hostile situations away from your home and family for extended periods
2) During extended deployments, you will only be paid standard military pay appropriate to your rank
If you can't willingly and completely accept these two facts, THEN DON'T ENLIST!
dago
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ignored.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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DmdNexus: Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?
What did their contract say? If it said that's a burden they agree to endure, then yes, I believe they should.
by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check..
So one grunt should risk his life for 1/10 the salary the guy next to him? Isn't that great for morale or what? How about access to on-line stock trading while in combat? The guy would have been making a killing in stock market if not that pesky war. What about a travelling bordello? After all the reservist is denied the female company he could have had. French chef? Swedish masseuse? Wine cellar? If uncle Sam is making up the difference, why stop on money?
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check..
That's definitely among the most ignorant ideas I have ever read or heard.
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Originally posted by miko2d
What about a travelling bordello? After all the reservist is denied the female company he could have had.
:rofl :aok