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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Udie on September 23, 2000, 09:02:00 AM
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I'm realy confused. People quit the best online flight sim because they can't cuss? I'm sorry to start another thread on this but it's a realy crazy issue so I'll post another crazy thread. I finaly got all my cpu/HOTAS problems solved the other day and can fly right once again.
I've been noticing the last couple of days that this game absolutely rocks. With the mission builder, new FM's, manable ground vehicles, good strat, nice looking flack, fuel managment, refuel/rearm abilities, full 3d cockpits, custom terrains, complex damage system, tunable RW chanels, squad nose art, realistic clouds and the film recorder we're at a new height with our hoby.
Somebody is willing to walk away from that because they can't make people read bad language? I'm sorry that make absolutely NO since to me at all. In fact it seems childish and stupid. (sorry don't mean to make anybody angry) Especialy when it's the first version of this filter.
Man it almost makes me willing to pay HTC an extra $30 a month just to keep some one like that out of the arenas.
Udie
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I'd gladly pay $35.00 a month to help take up the slack from any lost accounts - as few as they may be.
-Westy
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westy add another $5 to your account for me bud.
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Originally posted by Udie:
I'm realy confused. People quit the best online flight sim because they can't cuss?
Somebody is willing to walk away from that because they can't make people read bad language? I'm sorry that make absolutely NO since to me at all. In fact it seems childish and stupid.
Udie
Speaks volumes ehh?!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I also agree that the new release is the finest AH to date.And THAT means HTC has the vision and talent to keep this awesome sim on the track of continued improvement in the future.Looking good HTC!
Cheers,
By-Tor
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Originally posted by Torque:
westy add another $5 to your account for me bud.
If that means you are leaving because you can't cuss and insult, then don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I guess threats to quit are a viable recourse if you don't like the way the sim is going. However, I would bet far more quit or never signed up because of the vocal few who saw fit to turn the arena into a locker room or worse.
I think HTC did exactly the right thing.
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I've always assumed that the "I quit" threads are just another way to grab attention. You've seen these people. They cuss and insult and bash and do everything in order for someone to talk to them. Then when noone does, (squelched 1) they come to these boards to post an "I quit" thread, go on about something THEY (keyword) don't like, and then they wait to see how much attention they can get. That's mainly why the language and the "I quit" threads are here. I understand how everyone feels about the foul mouths here. I myself am 16, and I know my parents would have a coniption if they knew about it. That's why I support the filter. Add $10 for me.
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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Ren learn to read properly.Dork
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Sad thing is that we won't hear HT saying "Take this as a polite warning" anymore, then a deafining silence from the offender.
WTG HT....maybe disableing the filter for squad channels but over all it's has my aproval (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And to the people threatining to quit 'cause they can't cuss anymore...that's just plane silly and shows a lack of maturity IMO.
Lars
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For the people who didn't bother actually reading what was in my post....
I will quit this game if the filter is not changed because (#1) its easier to make a general filter that players can choose to have on or off, not to diddlyin mute me for cussing on my own squad channel and (#2) because its just a sign of things to come. Anyone who would mute someone instead of
programming a general game filter that
you can choose to have on/off is also likely to make other changes that deny people the right to do something, say somethign, fly a certain way,etc instead of coming up with a better more intelligent solution.
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Anyone who would mute someone instead of programming a general game filter that you can choose to have on/off is also likely to make other changes that deny people the right to do something, say somethign, fly a certain way,etc instead of coming up with a better more intelligent solution.
Who says you have the right to curse in the arena? No one. It's HTC's arena to set the rules. Beyond that, it's the rules of common courtesy. The only "right" your $29.95 gives you is entrance into the arenas and access to the planes and vehicles. It's not censorship - he can set whatever "tone" in his arenas he wants. I salute his step to making the arenas more friendly. Though it's not a perfect solution by any means, it surely gets the point across that foul language won't be tolerated.
The problem with squelch is it's a band-aid for AFTER THE FACT. The typical flow for squelch is, someone offends you, then you squelch them. This of course assumes you know enough to squelch them, as many new players will not be aware of that feature. A user-defineable profanity filter does the same thing. Why must *I* make the effort to configure my FE to block out your rudeness?
Again, this is not censorship. It's a rather mild attempt to force certain individuals to police their own actions, before those actions drive off other players. If you can't have fun in AH without swearing, then you got a problem.
Spitboy -SW-
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Originally posted by Torque:
Ren learn to read properly.Dork
Let's see. Westy said:
Originally posted by Westy:
I'd gladly pay $35.00 a month to help take up the slack from any lost accounts - as few as they may be.
Then you said:
Originally posted by Torque:
westy add another $5 to your account for me bud.
The way I read it, it sounded like you were saying add another $5 because you were leaving too. "Add another $5 to *your* account" meaning Westy was to pay $5 more.
Torque, learn to use complete sentences and articulate your thoughts properly. Try proper capitalization and punctuation too. Dork.
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Is there a list of banned words ?
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MrLars - there was one event where a guy starting mouthing off to HT. HT warned him and the guy kept right going. I think HT even booted him once because he came back and asked if HT was going to do "that" again - and then kept right on provoking.
My opinion was that HT should have banned him right then and there. The arena is a bit out of control and there are a few who think they ought to be able to do whatever they want. It is amazing.
We are guests of HTC. Paying guests to be sure, but go to a hotel and start insulting other guests and cussing in the lobby. It is the exact same thing. See how long before you are asked to leave and then see how long before a squad car shows up. The analogy is a very close one. I can't believe these people don't see it.
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They brought it on by them selves.
Come to my jobsite, I cuss like a fargin drunkin sailor, there is a time and place for it.
I agree that its unbelievable that anyone would quit over this. Check your priorities!
Its not a free counrty, its HTC's server.
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No dork I wanted westy to pay my extra $5 it's poke duh....!
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I understood ya fine Torqy..
one of the finest statements I have seen on this board...
"we're at a new height with our hoby"
You are not wrong brother!
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Originally posted by Torque:
No dork I wanted westy to pay my extra $5 it's poke duh....!
Torque,
Even in this last post you seem to have trouble with full sentence construction and puntuation.
It should read;
No, Dork, I wanted Westy to pay $5.00 towards my account billing so that I may play for less money. The post was intended to be humorous. Duh.
Torque, please try to use a higher level of vocabulary and be less hostile in your writen communications.
Mav (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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True
Very true
What the hell is puntuation? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Puntuation:
The act of forcing a player from your online game for some offence or just for fun.
Its in the dictionary near
diddlytuation.
The rapid and senseless changing of online game paramaters.
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Staga,
If there was a list available... don't show it to the kids (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Pongo,
What a lame thing to say...
<S>
IC
[This message has been edited by iculus (edited 09-23-2000).]
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Udie:
I'm with you on this one. I didn't join up with this outfit to cuss and swear (although I do it on an all-too-regular schedule in real life), I joined up to fight and fly (to borrow an expression from a great man). If somebody quits because they feel their rights have been violated, then let them go -- gladly. The suction from the vacuum formed by their leaving will only draw more pilots in to fill their flight positions. Pack em up and ship em out!
Camel: I've flown with you for how long now? A year or so? I've never heard you utter even so much as a $%^@?*^$ let alone a #$?(*&. And you say you cuss like a sailor at the job site? Man, I truly admire your control (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I haven't been on line yet with the new school marm watching out for us, so I guess I'd better start cleaning up my &%$**@$!(&^% act!
buhdman, out
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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow
[This message has been edited by buhdman (edited 09-23-2000).]
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Renfield....
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You would've fit well as an assesor to a famous spanish general that ruled this country from 1939 to 1975. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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RAM.....
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Put a sock in it pipsqueak. Some day you might actually amount to something. But not now.
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Originally posted by Renfield:
MrLars - there was one event where a guy starting mouthing off to HT. HT warned him and the guy kept right going. I think HT even booted him once because he came back and asked if HT was going to do "that" again - and then kept right on provoking.
My opinion was that HT should have banned him right then and there. The arena is a bit out of control and there are a few who think they ought to be able to do whatever they want. It is amazing.
We are guests of HTC. Paying guests to be sure, but go to a hotel and start insulting other guests and cussing in the lobby. It is the exact same thing. See how long before you are asked to leave and then see how long before a squad car shows up. The analogy is a very close one. I can't believe these people don't see it.
Well I gather you are talking about me Renfield. Put a petition together, maybe you can get me banned. You might want to get your facts straight before you gather your teaming mob. But then again maybe that would just confuse the issue for you. I think personally the worst kind of person in the game or anywhere is a bully. Give me 10 swearing cussing fire crackers any day for one schemeing smooth talking agitator. And that is the feeling I get from you. It really bugs me to see you put people down behind their backs on channel 2. It really bugs me when you send out little jibs to other squadrons to try to piss them off and see if they might respond on channel one.
Renfield doensnt like swearing..But he wants antagonism and ridicule. Tough to get that ballance.
But gather your mob hero.
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No Pongo.. you are confused... its not the behavior.. its the BAD WORDS! as long as you don't use BAD WORDS you are ok.
We need to eliminate all the BAD WORDS to make the arena a really nice place. That will do it.
Nevermind the whole competitive thing.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Renfield:
Put a sock in it pipsqueak. Some day you might actually amount to something. But not now.
LOL!...Look who's talking (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Well I gather you are talking about me Renfield. Put a petition together, maybe you can get me banned...
As a matter of fact, Pongo, I was. However, it was you who chose to name yourself. I was merely using your childish behavior as an example. I wasn't naming names.
No petitions. Your beef with HT is between you and him. He will ban you when and if he feels like it. I would bet another session like the one I was referring to and you are out. But who knows. It isn't my decision. It was embarassing to watch though and I tried to get you to shut up on private a couple of times before HT booted you as you seemed pretty close to out of control on the open radio.
I still think the way you behaved was shameful and that you owe HT an apology for acting like a spoiled brat. But that is just my opinion.
[This message has been edited by Renfield (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
No Pongo.. you are confused... its not the behavior.. its the BAD WORDS! as long as you don't use BAD WORDS you are ok.... AKDejaVu
It is both - behavior and "bad words".
I guess some people just insist on the right to look and act like idiots.
Have fun guys. The filter is already in place and the feeling in the arena is that HT and Pyro are getting fed up with the crap from those who can't behave no matter what their age.
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Have fun guys. The filter is already in place and the feeling in the arena is that HT and Pyro are getting fed up with the crap from those who can't behave no matter what their age.
Ah.. so what do you propose HTC do next? Its obvious you think thinks still need to be done. Filter is just the first stepping stone to the great purge eh?
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Filter is just the first stepping stone to the great purge eh?
The next step in his agenda is to put bans on the people he is "informing" about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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None of it my call Deja. I think HT and HTC are on the right track though. I think this has been needed.
There are a vocal few in the arena who are chasing away customers. HT and Pyro have to look at this from a business standpoint - it is after all their livelihood - and do what is necessary to increase customer base and satisfaction. Enough were complaining about the behaviors in the arena (myself included) that this step was taken.
Now I am sure they will watch and see how the arena changes, how many leave, and how many new people sign up.
If people continue to ack like dweebs and try to circumvent the filter or continue with abusive behaviors, we'll see more restrictions - i.e. the vote mute HT was asking the arena about the other morning. Maybe they will be good for the sim and maybe they won't. Time will tell.
But one thing I can assure you, the behavior of a few has been hurting this sim. After RAM went off the deep end I was about to drop my account too.
Sure, outbursts are expected and probably unavoidable in this type of simulation. But there is a level of thought associated with yelling at the monitor vs. taking the time to verbally assault someone over the open channel, cuss like a sailor at your monitor vs. type it into the radio.
One of the guys in another thread brought up the importance of posturing - why some feel the need to act tougher than they really are or say things on the computer they wouldn't say in person.
That is what you are fighting for, Deja, the right to act like a tough guy and a not too bright one at that. Since these people can't control themselves, they have now forced action on the part of HTC - action I'm sure they would have rather never had to take.
I think people forget that if they like the sim, they have to respect this is how HTC makes its living. By acting like dorks, you drive away potential customers (or as I like to think of them - targets) and cut into the desirability of running HTC as a profitable venture. If the arena gets too ascerbic and people leave, HTC goes the way of other online ventures. Is that what you want?
You guys need to consider the effect of your actions on the sim and the sim community. This is not a freedom of speech issue by any stretch of the imagination. This is a muzzle forced on everyone by the actions of a few - and a required muzzle I would add. I am actually surprised that you aren't calling for the "purge".
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That is what you are fighting for, Deja, the right to act like a tough guy and a not too bright one at that. Since these people can't control themselves, they have now forced action on the part of HTC - action I'm sure they would have rather never had to take.
I am not fighting for anything. I am sitting here at my computer, typing using less profanity on this forum than most favoring the current filter have.
What I believe is that when you attempt to weed out the bad eliments, you risk drawing the line at the wrong point.
Who is to determine what bad behavior is? What committee is going to sit down and decide this for us? Then how is this going to be imposed on the arena?
This whole thing smacks of a book-burning session. A bunch of closed-minded people doing what's right for their children and society. Of course, they believe they are so right that any argument against them is evil and automatically makes the person a sinner.
The majority isn't always right. They just voted and decided they were.
AKDejaVu
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Hate to point this out - again - but this is a business. It isn't a democracy. There are no votes unless HTC decides to ask for one.
HTC has to decide what is right and what isn't. The majority has to rule here no matter what you think - simply because that maximizes HTC's profits. I'm also not ignoring free will and HTC's right to run AH however they want regardless of profit.
But that is the gig - they have either decided to place the filter to make the arena better for more people and more profits or they did it because it was the right thing to do and they decided it had to be done.
It isn't a book burning or anything of the sort. Calling it that is merely an attempt to escalate things not unlike the people who cuss and harass on the radio.
I've said all I have to say on this matter. If reason isn't good enough for you, you will just have to live with things as they are or leave.
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Originally posted by Renfield:
Hate to point this out - again - but this is a business. It isn't a democracy. There are no votes unless HTC decides to ask for one.
It ain't,neither, your private dictatorship. And I think that this very thing is what drives you crazy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Isn't there an amendment in the AH constitution on this? All you people who want change are just anti-AH fiends (probably with communist leanings). It is a god-given right for us to bear arms in the form of swear-words. How will I express myself otherwise?
What do you mean there isn't a constitution? How will we know what to do, without one?
RAM - when are you going to get around to replying to my post concerning your 'admiration' of Nazi pilots in the O-club ('StSanta, about your new sig.' topic)? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I'm really interested with what you have to say (and anyone else, for that matter).
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by RAM:
It ain't,neither, your private dictatorship. And I think that this very thing is what drives you crazy.
Wow, RAM, this is really funny coming from a guy that demands others fly the way you want them to - self-admitted ranting and raving (and counseling from HTC) over HO, "dweebs" and such.
What have I ever said that would lead you to believe I wanted a dictatorship and wanted to rule AH? This is ludicrous in the extreme (no suprise that you would voice it, though).
I just don't like being squeaked out by some punk with wet diapers over something he is completely in error about. I also don't like being told how I will or won't fly so that I might please the almighty RAM. I also don't like seeing others being the benefactor of your abuse or similar abuse from others in the arena to other players.
No, RAM, I only complained. I would think the dictator approach would be one that suppresses all forms of dissent - not unlike you are trying to do now.
If I wanted my own little online kingdom, I would write my own software and see how I did. But sorry dude, even though I probably could (I am a programmer) I have no desire.
You might be projecting??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by Renfield (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by Renfield:
Wow, RAM, this is really funny coming from a guy that demands others fly the way you want them to.
Demand? I never demanded anything. I called HO people Dweebs . I called Ack huggers cowards. Never demanded them to fly otherwise.
And that is past. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
What have I ever said I wanted a dictatorship and wanted to rule AH? This is ludicrous in the extreme (no suprise that you would voice it, though).
Never. but you DEMAND people to behave like YOU Want. You DEMAND people to not to say some things that YOU dont like, YOU DEMAND people to behave in the ways that YOU think are right. And you THREATEN people that don't do all those things your way with your "informant" self-proclaimed role (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
That fits quite well in a dictator's way of acting. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Udie,
Don't think that you can keep me from cussing your ******* dumb *** out when your not takin' care of your ******* job as a wingleader. I won't be ******* squelched! I completely agree with HTC on this ****** ** policy! It should keep AH from turning into the main lobby at ******* M-player! How do they plan to squelch the ******* RW channels? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) This is a "Bomb***" sim! HTC..."Way to ******* go!" WT*G Keep up the good work. Udie! Get back to work! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) BERSERKR
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Originally posted by Renfield:
As a matter of fact, Pongo, I was. However, it was you who chose to name yourself. I was merely using your childish behavior as an example. I wasn't naming names.
No petitions. Your beef with HT is between you and him. He will ban you when and if he feels like it. I would bet another session like the one I was referring to and you are out. But who knows. It isn't my decision. It was embarassing to watch though and I tried to get you to shut up on private a couple of times before HT booted you as you seemed pretty close to out of control on the open radio.
I still think the way you behaved was shameful and that you owe HT an apology for acting like a spoiled brat. But that is just my opinion.
[This message has been edited by Renfield (edited 09-24-2000).]
Really. Shameful? I was pissed at being gangbanged for 4 days and posted.
"Gangbang -> poor game design"
That was all. No rant no prior statments.
I was punted.
When I got back a conversiation was in the buffer about the same topic. someone said why doenst HTC do somthing about it.
I said they dont want to.
Punted again.
I then logged on and asked how many times HT was going to do that. He said one more time and I would be banned. I said ban me.
HT then challenged me to a flight modeling trivia test since I thought I was so smart.
I told him that I dont know anything about flight modeling and never claimed to. There was a long pause and it blew over. HT asked for my ideas about what could be done different. Probably ignored them. And on we went.
What do I think happend? I insulted the game and he got pissed off. Others have surmised that he confused me for another player that had been insulting the new flight model. Well I will likly be whining about gangbanging if I am lucky enough to be playing this game in 5 years.
I recount the details as I remember them only so that your version is not left to stand.
Frankly I was alot more bothered the day that I logged on to have to read you insulting ram for 30 minutes on country channel when he was not there. I am alot more disturbed to see your insult to the AK squadron last night after you vulched one of them. You try to cause more animosity and conflict than any of the people like Joemud, or creamo that are somewhat renouned for their vulgerity
It is typical of you to bring up the night I got booted for your own purposes and to try to twist what happend so that it fits in with your strange little view of what constitutes morals and maners.
For your personal gratification I will add that HT apologized to me the next day and I apologized to him. I apologised to him because I insulted him and his product in front of his customers. Accepting blame and moving on is probably something you dont understand. You are more likely to assign blame and dwell on it.
While i am not proud of my slam against HTC and pyro in particular, the many responses that I recieved after made me think that others were as confused as I. Apperantly you are not confused about what happend.
I find it interesting that you are so confused by the way I shut you down on channel 1 or 2 every time that you start picking on someone. I find it interesting that you do stop so quickly when ever I point out your strange behavior. Well I guess that is the coward in the bully.
It must be very distressing to people that you have appointed yourself the defender of the filter. You treat it like its your own personal acomplishment. Maybe if you toe the line enough and put words in enough peoples mouths you will get to be the hall monitor.
Wouldnt that power be somthing renfield...
mmmmmm
Ban people...
mmmmmmm
By the way. I dont care about the filter at all. Other than you trying to provoke the AKs last night the areana does seem more civil..
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Well Pongo, I'm glad you and HT worked things out. As to your version of the events, you seem to leave things out - but I wasn't running a recorder so can't quote verbatim. You guys apologized to each other. Fine.
RAM's and my dislike for each other is common knowledge. I think he is an bellybutton and he thinks I'm an HO dweeb. The way you say it the buffer was full when in actuality, there were comments and there have been comments. The jerk keeps butting in and I keep slapping him down. Actually it is probably way past due to just ignore the pest. Read the comments about the filter - many of the comments are RAM's - not commenting about the filter but goading and provoking. So point taken - comments about him will stop.
You comments about bringing up you getting booted for my own purposes - in a manner. I brought your behavior up as an example of how out of control some get. I thought you were being a complete bellybutton - to the guy who made this all possible - apparently because you can't figure out not to take off from a capped field and/or not to fly into a fight where you are outnumbered. Those are all errors in your judgement - not poor game design.
I am curious how game design would correct the so-called gangbanging. That behavior on the part of an adversary is perfect survival. Outnumber and crush your opponent fast so you don't die. It is a wartime simulation. Every general that ever lived would go for the gangbang every possible chance they got. There is nothing wrong at all about the behavior. In a game where points are scored, the only problems may come from "kill-stealing" on the part of the victors - not on any whiney-ass dweeb getting pissed he flew into a hornet's nest. On this point you just lose.
As to your "shutting" me down when i commented on the AKs after dropping Nimitz - you probably won't recall but the comment was followed by a <S>. I said something like "them AKs go down easy". I was joking with the guy. So jump on in with your comments whenever you feel like it, Pongo. I didn't understand your comment then and was surprised to see you were Knight.
And the junk about the hall monitor - sorry dude. Only standing up to say that the obscenities had to go. The crap about people complaining on the open channel about "ack huggers" and "HO dweebs" is just an arrow to the guy that apparently can't get a kill. It does however, make the arena an unpleasant place as someone squeakes out someone who got away.
The filter gets implemented and a few start squeaking. So I, along with others, say we support it. So what? It is my opinion. So I screenshot and forward RAM and others who were being particularly abusive? So what? You condone the abuse? I could care less if you or they get pissed at me for doing it. Frankly, I only did it the one day - haven't seen anything really that bad since.
So go ahead and get pissed and think you "shut me down". Oooh. You sure showed me.
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Originally posted by Renfield:
AM's and my dislike for each other is common knowledge. I think he is an bellybutton and he thinks I'm an HO dweeb. The way you say it the buffer was full when in actuality, there were comments and there have been comments.
Poor renfield...always mistook, when he is a Informer Saint (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And your comments were only that, comments (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) nothing to "inform" about, I guess,ROFL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW I dont think you are a HO dweeb. Well,I do think it, I mean that I think much more things about you, and none of them quite good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The jerk keeps butting in and I keep slapping him down. Actually it is probably way past due to just ignore the pest.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Read the comments about the filter - many of the comments are RAM's - not commenting about the filter but goading and provoking. So point taken - comments about him will stop.
I had few things to say about filter. It doenst affect me at all, as I very rarely cuss in AH.
But I had a lot of things to say about you and your stupidity (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) And I still have a lot to say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And to laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You comments about bringing up you getting booted for my own purposes - in a manner. I brought your behavior up as an example of how out of control some get. I thought you were being a complete bellybutton - to the guy who made this all possible - apparently because you can't figure out not to take off from a capped field and/or not to fly into a fight where you are outnumbered. Those are all errors in your judgement - not poor game design.
already playing the smart bellybutton Renfield? when pongo's "problem" with HT happened, Knightland was down to 5 A fields, 4 of them under attack, and the fifth had enemies nearby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) what do you suggest, us to log off? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I dont excuse pongo's attitude, but your point is that of a guy that doenst know what is he talking about,and still is giving moral,tactic and strategic lessons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I am curious how game design would correct the so-called gangbanging. That behavior on the part of an adversary is perfect survival. Outnumber and crush your opponent fast so you don't die. It is a wartime simulation. Every general that ever lived would go for the gangbang every possible chance they got. There is nothing wrong at all about the behavior. In a game where points are scored, the only problems may come from "kill-stealing" on the part of the victors - not on any whiney-ass dweeb getting pissed he flew into a hornet's nest. On this point you just lose.
LOL renfield. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on how to fight and win eh?...strange why arent you #1 in scores? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And the junk about the hall monitor - sorry dude. Only standing up to say that the obscenities had to go. The crap about people complaining on the open channel about "ack huggers" and "HO dweebs" is just an arrow to the guy that apparently can't get a kill. It does however, make the arena an unpleasant place as someone squeakes out someone who got away.
ROFL...it's getting better each thing you say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The filter gets implemented and a few start squeaking. So I, along with others, say we support it. So what? It is my opinion. So I screenshot and forward RAM and others who were being particularly abusive? So what? You condone the abuse? I could care less if you or they get pissed at me for doing it. Frankly, I only did it the one day - haven't seen anything really that bad since.
So go ahead and get pissed and think you "shut me down". Oooh. You sure showed me.
LOL...sure I got abusive, I called someone warper and then I squelched him in public.
Abusive and offending, way off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Oh yeah (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AH yes I forgot it, I called you WEenie in private (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) another abusive act from my side (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
About not doing it again since that day...with the desire you have, the NEED you have to put me in the worst position possible in front of all the people and HTC, the fact that you havent been able to "Inform" about me again is because I VERY rarely jump on people in MA. The HO dweeb time has passed long time ago,but you didnt notice it,were too busy informing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You see me how you do because I call you what you are...hurts?...poor kid (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
you are a ridiculous stupid Renfield. But, again, you are funny.
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-24-2000).]
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This BUSINESS belongs to HTC.
Like restaurants with "No Shoes, No Shirts - No Service", he gets to make the rules that he feels serve his business plan.
If you wish to dine in fine style barefoot and barechested....go ahead. But don't claim it's your _right_ to do it in any restaurant you choose.
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RAM, give it a rest. I'll leave you alone and ignore you from now on. I suggest you do the same. Your provoking and goading are really getting old.
As for the gangbang thing and the Knights with few fields I still say the same thing. If you don't like it, don't fly from a capped field or fly into fights where you are outnumbered. It is that simple. If that means logging off, then fine. That resets the board that much faster.
I should have seen it long ago that replying to people obviously unable to reason with is a waste of time. I'm out. You guys have fun.
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Originally posted by Renfield:
RAM, give it a rest. I'll leave you alone and ignore you from now on. I suggest you do the same. Your provoking and goading are really getting old.
Heh, do you remember who started provoking each other in threads that had nothing to do with him?...8after the HO in TOD, of course)
But ok, if you want a "cold" peace ,is OK with me. I wont answer to your posts as long as you let me in peace, here and in MA (And yes, the stupid informer attitude is included) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...
But I'll still laugh a lot with some of them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for the gangbang thing and the Knights with few fields I still say the same thing. If you don't like it, don't fly from a capped field or fly into fights where you are outnumbered. It is that simple. If that means logging off, then fine. That resets the board that much faster.
Your fighting spirit is that of a desserter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I guess that you in WWII would've been a valuable asset for defending ground while outnumbered (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I should have seen it long ago that replying to people obviously unable to reason with is a waste of time. I'm out. You guys have fun.
As I said...very Funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And you get funnier with each post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-24-2000).]
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What do you want me to do RAM? I can't ban you. I can't get you deleted from the board.
I say let's leave each other alone and you call me a deserter. You feed off this stuff RAM. That is obvious. You somehow think you are better but you really aren't.
I am amazed you are so fixated on the HO thing. Get over it.
Call me whatever you like. I couldn't care less.
Maybe I get funnier with each post but you get more pathetic.
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You try to cause more animosity and conflict than any of the people like Joemud, or creamo that are somewhat renouned for their vulgerity
Pongo ..please.
Wank and cry and moan without me involved. Your "gangbang" stories have zilch to do with me. Whine away, but leave me outta it.
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Sorry creamo. Just searching for names of vulger people and you popped to mind.
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LOL
I can't believe I read all this.
What in hell has the filter got to do with shootin down red planes?
Yah not supposed to cuss 'em.. just kill 'em.
"Engage enemy. Not keyboard"
Hang
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Originally posted by Torque:
True
Very true
What the hell is puntuation? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
ROFL
Fariz
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Ok, Ill bite Pongo...your hilarious kitten jokes are stellar and NOT vulgar?
Put the other two in a bag and throw em in a river..
Im vulger, you a stupid diddly.
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I am not fighting for anything. I am sitting here at my computer, typing using less profanity on this forum than most favoring the current filter have.
What I believe is that when you attempt to weed out the bad eliments, you risk drawing the line at the wrong point.
Who is to determine what bad behavior is? What committee is going to sit down and decide this for us? Then how is this going to be imposed on the arena?
This whole thing smacks of a book-burning session. A bunch of closed-minded people doing what's right for their children and society. Of course, they believe they are so right that any argument against them is evil and automatically makes the person a sinner.
The majority isn't always right. They just voted and decided they were.
AKDejaVu
Wow. DejaVu, I have nothing but the utmost repsect for the AK's, but that whole post of your's is complete and utter bull.
Book burning session? Do you really believe that HTC installing a profanity filter is similar to the Book burnings that took place in the 30's in a well-known, European country? You've got to be kidding.
How many times do we have to say it? Aces High is a privately owned game, and HTC has the right to make whatever rules it deems neccessary to keep it's clientele happy.
Nobody ever said that the profanity seen or the people using it was evil. We said it was offensive and annoying.
And to those that are trying to compare us to Bible-thumping evangelists?! LOL, if only you knew how wrong you are.
People like me who pushed for some kind of filter are not close-minded. We are regular people like you, who would rather salute a foe, than swear at them. That's it. No hidden agenda, no secret McCarthyistic handshake.
To elevate it to anything more sinister is naive and ludicrous.
One thing we do agree on, is that the majority isn't always right. But, in this case, it is, and HTC has listened.
Respectfully,
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P/O banana
XO 308(Polish) Sqn "City of Cracow" RAF
Multi-Frame Events Team Lead, Aces High Scenario Corps.
"Aces High is like sex: When it's good, it's really good. And when it's bad, it's still pretty good."
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Renfield, my man, hang on there!
miko
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LOL! I thought you weren't goint go answer me anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Originally posted by Renfield:
What do you want me to do RAM? I can't ban you. I can't get you deleted from the board.
I dont care about what you do. I know what I will do. As soon as you let me COMPETELY in peace, all will be allright. If not, I'll keep on laughing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I say let's leave each other alone and you call me a deserter. You feed off this stuff RAM. That is obvious. You somehow think you are better but you really aren't.
No, I said that if what you said about loggin off when numbers are against your country is true, then you have the moral quality of a desserter. Or will you only log on when you are in the offensive, Renfield?...When numbers are against you, when the gangbang is in its height, it is the TIME to show some skill, courage and will to fight.
You say "log off". I say "desserter".
I am amazed you are so fixated on the HO thing. Get over it.
Me thinks that is YOU who is fixated with me and my hating for the HO thing. Since last week of 1.03 I haven't said, or complained, a single time about HOs. About Ack hugs, yes (but very little), not about HOs.
So who is fixated with what? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Call me whatever you like. I couldn't care less.
Maybe I get funnier with each post but you get more pathetic.
ROFL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Interesting that some feel they have some inherent right to offend others who play this sim, iregardless of whether our children see it or it's just offensive to us personally.
The ultimate solution is just around the corner...another sim goes beta soon and hopefully those who are so abused here can go abuse others over there....good thing I don't have a button....I can assure you this sim would be without a few accounts, and I would not lose a moments sleep over it.
I have lost my cool and have spoken a few explicatives at my desk before, but to type them to everyone else has never crossed my mind.
Sims like this one and the internet in general, sure give us a look at the world and the people in it more clearly than ever before in our history. What is evident, is that nothing has changed over thousands of years....people are still selfish at heart and want what they want inspite of who it hurts.
Oh well...at least the K.C. Chiefs beat Denver at home (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm Out!
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AKDejaVu - the comparisons you make are ludicrous. You blow the whole thing about filtering out of all proportion.
'Book-burning' - I ask you...
By implication, you are comparing people who support the filter to Nazis. A bit unfair, I should think.
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Guys, when you have a program automatically squelch a player from communicating after his 2nd offense, you're talking about putting tape over a pilots ego, of course you're going to piss off the 'testosterone over-dosed' types....
If that's what they quit the game for, then we really didn't want them around anyway, did we? (Maybe HTC has a different point on that!)
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Ahhhh, forget it. Just read HiTech's post.
[This message has been edited by DrSoya (edited 09-25-2000).]
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Originally posted by Creamo:
Ok, Ill bite Pongo...your hilarious kitten jokes are stellar and NOT vulgar?
Put the other two in a bag and throw em in a river..
Im vulger, you a stupid diddly.
Yup your vulger. Thought you were proud of it. Never thought it would hurt your feelings to hear it. Hope you can get over it and move on.
But if not..
wah
wah
wah
I guess you dont like me any more now.
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I never did. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)