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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on October 22, 2003, 08:43:27 PM
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…This is fact, not fudging. How do we know? Because Hussein's practice was to store his chemical weapons unmarked amid his conventional munitions, and we have just begun to understand the staggering scale of Hussein's stocks of conventional munitions. Hussein left behind 130 known ammunition caches, many of which are more than twice the size of Manhattan. Imagine looking through "600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordnance" -- rows and rows stretched over an area the size of even one Manhattan -- looking for barrels of unmarked chemical weapons.
And there are 130 of these depots. Kay's team has so far inspected only 10.
The question of whether Hussein actually retained finished product is still open.
But the question of whether he was still in the WMD business is no longer open. "We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities," Kay testified, "and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002" -- concealed, that is, from the hapless Hans Blix.
Kay's list is chilling. It includes a secret network of labs and safe houses within the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi foreign intelligence service; bioorganisms kept in scientists' homes, including a vial of live botulinum toxin; and my favorite, "new research on BW [biological weapons]-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin" -- all "not declared to the U.N."
I have been to medical school, and I have never heard of Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever.
I don't know one doctor in 100 who has. It is a rare disease, and you can be sure that Hussein was not seeking a cure. ……
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_162_1066612806.jpg)
Full story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6320-2003Oct9?language=printer
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That cant be true that Iraq didn't delcare their WMD programs and secret Bio research! The UN resolutions said Iraq must tell of these things, so that means Saddam broke down and spilled the beans about everything. After all, to defy the UN would mean yet another harsh resolution....and Iraq would rather self-combust than have that occur. And you know Saddam would never be dishonest to the world community.
So alas I laugh.....HA HA HA and I laugh once more, ho ho ho .... at the UN and those who believe UN resolutions were bringing Saddam to his knees.
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bla bla bla bla gona find bla bla bal will find bla bla bla we are close now bla bla bla bla we know he did it bla bla bla chimpi sold us out cheap? bla bla bla bla no it cant be bla bla bla dirty librals bla bla bla close to wmd bla bla forget the hundreds of dead soldiers for oil bla bla
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
you got them or not ?
p.s. so far alot of hot air and crap.
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I also want to see the WMD that the UN security counsel said Iraq had.
I blame the UN for being hypocrites: they delcared Iraq in violation of UN resolutions, yet the UN had no penalty for the violations.
The UN is evil for agreeing Iraq was not in compliance and probably had WMD, yet did nothing to act on it's own declarations.
Shame on the lying UN!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Remember that the majority of the UNSC only disagreed with the timing of the invasion ... they wanted to be sure.
Odd, I must have missed that vote.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
bla bla bla bla gona find bla bla bal will find bla bla bla we are close now bla bla bla bla we know he did it bla bla bla chimpi sold us out cheap? bla bla bla bla no it cant be bla bla bla dirty librals bla bla bla close to wmd bla bla forget the hundreds of dead soldiers for oil bla bla
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
you got them or not ?
p.s. so far alot of hot air and crap.
are you 14 or 15 years old?
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You can bet your prettythang that they will find WMD's, but right now, it is not in our best interests to tip our hat as to where they are. All will come out iin due time. And when it does, France, Germany, and Russia is gonna look really stupid.... ooops, guess they already do.
:p
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
bla bla bla bla gona find bla bla bal will find bla bla bla we are close now bla bla bla bla we know he did it bla bla bla chimpi sold us out cheap? bla bla bla bla no it cant be bla bla bla dirty librals bla bla bla close to wmd bla bla forget the hundreds of dead soldiers for oil bla bla
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
you got them or not ?
p.s. so far alot of hot air and crap.
What will be your response here if WMD's are located?
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Originally posted by GScholz
They wanted three more months for Blix to finish his investigation remember? Funny how you are willing to give Key all the time he needs, but not thee months for Blix.
The UN didn't have the stomach to do what was right....the evidence lies in how well they enforced the other 16 resolutions spanning the years.
The UN may be your pinnacle of truth, but don't expect Americans to bow down to them.
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Americans already changed the tune on Iraq rebuilding - half the rebuilding money is paid by iraqis in form of debt.
Let's see how long these same people are going to stay in Iraq, delivering the democracy.
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Originally posted by GScholz
They wanted three more months for Blix to finish his investigation remember? Funny how you are willing to give Key all the time he needs, but not thee months for Blix.
3 more months for what? 3 months to gaurantee that Iraq was free from all banned weapons and programs? LOL!
Key has all the time in the world, because we control Iraq now.
Another thing to remember: Iraq kicked all the inspectors out. The UN was only able to return after the US began a military build-up and threatened force. Saddam didn't let the inspectors back for any reason other than the US military threat.
The UN was worthless in refusing to enforce it's resolutions. Nobody is afraid of or respects the UN and it's fearsome resolutions.
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It'll be amusing to see all the new handles pop up on this bb when artillery shells filled with nerve gas are found.
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Originally posted by JBA
…This is fact, not fudging. How do we know? Because Hussein's practice was to store his chemical weapons unmarked amid his conventional munitions
"Was" instead of "I am stupid enough to suggest that it was".
This phrase is owerwhelmingly idiotic.
Originally posted by JBA
I have been to medical school, and I have never heard of Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever.
I don't know one doctor in 100 who has. It is a rare disease, and you can be sure that Hussein was not seeking a cure. ……
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I am not a doctor, never have been to "medical school" (BTW, what is it?), but I know that Congo-Crimean fever is a disease similiar to Ebola, but not that infectious. I am surprised of a state of medical education in the US. Or does he mean he once visited some "medical school", maybe it's a school for ill children? :confused:
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Originally posted by AKIron
It'll be amusing to see all the new handles pop up on this bb when artillery shells filled with nerve gas are found.
Ya know, they are not as stupid as you think they are. With an invasion looming, do you think they would leave a WMD cache around for America to say "see, we told you!"? They are either destroyed or shipped out to OBL in Pakistan.( that place where we draw the line of distinction between terrorists and the people who harbor them)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ya know, they are not as stupid as you think they are. With an invasion looming, do you think they would leave a WMD cache around for America to say "see, we told you!"? They are either destroyed or shipped out to OBL in Pakistan.( that place where we draw the line of distinction between terrorists and the people who harbor them)
Who isn't stupid? The bbs posters or Saddam?
Of course I realize that Saddam would want to discredit the US but I doubt he was able get rid of all of the evidence.
I don't pay much attention to those shrieking "where are the wmd?". You wanna know why? Because as soon as conclusive evidence is found they'll either disappear, change the subject, or deny the nose on their face.
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rude
at this point they didnt have them where they could use them or anywhere near the point of using them. cirtainly not 45 minutes like they lied. they probly didnt have them at all
im not willing to go from massive stockpiles to hey we found a bucket of insecticide that counts !!! you are asking me what happens when something impossible happens. no answer there sorry.
bush was lieing in a calculated way and no one but party drones in america believes he didnt. ( no white house tapes this time he saw to that )
your guys a liar a deserter and a criminal facts is facts.
and skidmark im not 15 or 16 i just spell bad thanks for the insult.
please ohh please take a moment to ignore list me. thanks :)
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JBA, Im going to steal this from you and post it elsewhere unless you object.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
rude
im not willing to go from massive stockpiles to hey we found a bucket of insecticide that counts !!!
Hey Dolf, is that like a bucket of bug spray?..
Heh-heh.. good job wacking these rednecks
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
rude
at this point they didnt have them where they could use them or anywhere near the point of using them. cirtainly not 45 minutes like they lied. they probly didnt have them at all
im not willing to go from massive stockpiles to hey we found a bucket of insecticide that counts !!! you are asking me what happens when something impossible happens. no answer there sorry.
bush was lieing in a calculated way and no one but party drones in america believes he didnt. ( no white house tapes this time he saw to that )
your guys a liar a deserter and a criminal facts is facts.
and skidmark im not 15 or 16 i just spell bad thanks for the insult.
please ohh please take a moment to ignore list me. thanks :)
Well Towd....I hope you're wrong for all of our sakes....if they are not there and never have been and Bush is proven to have deliberately lied to us, then I'll be as, if not more, pissed off then you always seem to be.
Until that happens, I'm going to trust the man.
Our political system is so corrupt on both sides...the needs of the citizenship have long been cast aside....Washington serves itself. Having said that, I stand in hope of better times both here and abroad....I suppose that after sitting here watching for so many years, it makes some sense to me to take some action.....perhaps things are not as bad as you seem to believe?
Time will tell.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
rude
at this point they didnt have them where they could use them or anywhere near the point of using them. cirtainly not 45 minutes like they lied. they probly didnt have them at all
im not willing to go from massive stockpiles to hey we found a bucket of insecticide that counts !!! you are asking me what happens when something impossible happens. no answer there sorry.
bush was lieing in a calculated way and no one but party drones in america believes he didnt. ( no white house tapes this time he saw to that )
your guys a liar a deserter and a criminal facts is facts.
and skidmark im not 15 or 16 i just spell bad thanks for the insult.
please ohh please take a moment to ignore list me. thanks :)
LDV I also spell badly that’s why I use Spell Check on my posts (most of the time).
My question is in response to your comments and rebuttal not your spelling.
I called you no names and asked a question (albeit loaded with sarcasm, however you could be 14 and then the question was a complement).
You regressed to calling me names and by that I guess you have used up you wit and have in effect answered my question.
I now think I over estimated your age.
Regards, LDV
P.S. I will NOT add you to an ignore list as I find you entertaining and every now and again with a good point.
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Every day that goes by, I begin to think a little more that we may actually find something sooner or later. I am still amazed at the caches that our grunts are finding.
Thursday, October 23, 2003
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. forces acted on a tip about an Iraqi weapons supply Thursday and ended up discovering a much larger find — a hidden cache of buried surface-to-air missiles and mines.
Military officials are still tallying the cache but have retrieved at least 317 4-foot rockets and 220 anti-tank mines. Fox News had exclusive access to the military during the operation about 45 miles south of Baghdad.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
JBA, Im going to steal this from you and post it elsewhere unless you object.
go ahead. got plenty were that came from.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
at this point they didnt have them where they could use them or anywhere near the point of using them. cirtainly not 45 minutes like they lied. they probly didnt have them at all
He never said this. This is becomeing a Myth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2670-2003Sep25¬Found=true
"Imminent threat? How many times does one have to repeat this: When Bush laid out the case for the war in his 2003 State of the Union address, he deliberately denied imminent threat. "Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent," he explained, but this president disagreed. The entire assumption underlying the Bush Doctrine of preemption is that Sept. 11 taught us that we live in a world where the enemy is too stealthy, his capacity for destruction too great and the margin for error too small to permit the traditional luxury of waiting for imminence. Indeed, in the U.N. speech one year ago that launched us on the road to war, Bush spoke not of a "clear and present danger," the traditional formulation of imminence, but of a "grave and gathering danger," an obvious allusion to Churchill's two-decade-long "gathering storm."
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Good post JBA,
this should be a thread of it's own
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2670-2003Sep25¬Found=true
:aok
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Originally posted by JBA
He never said this. This is becomeing a Myth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2670-2003Sep25¬Found=true
"Imminent threat? How many times does one have to repeat this: When Bush laid out the case for the war in his 2003 State of the Union address, he deliberately denied imminent threat. "Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent," he explained, but this president disagreed. The entire assumption underlying the Bush Doctrine of preemption is that Sept. 11 taught us that we live in a world where the enemy is too stealthy, his capacity for destruction too great and the margin for error too small to permit the traditional luxury of waiting for imminence. Indeed, in the U.N. speech one year ago that launched us on the road to war, Bush spoke not of a "clear and present danger," the traditional formulation of imminence, but of a "grave and gathering danger," an obvious allusion to Churchill's two-decade-long "gathering storm."
GREAT NOW YOU'VE DONE IT! They will have to make up more lies now....
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Originally posted by GScholz
It wasn't Bush who uttered the "45 minute readiness" claim. It was Powell in the UNSC.
then by lord dolf vader standards, lord dolf vader is a liar
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at this point they didnt have them where they could use them or anywhere near the point of using them. cirtainly not 45 minutes like they lied. they probly didnt have them at all
im not willing to go from massive stockpiles to hey we found a bucket of insecticide that counts !!! you are asking me what happens when something impossible happens. no answer there sorry.
bush was lieing in a calculated way and no one but party drones in america believes he didnt. ( no white house tapes this time he saw to that )
your guys a liar a deserter and a criminal facts is facts.
At the very least he is making unsubstantiated accusations. The implication that Bush was involved in lying is there by your own reply.
As far as the 45 minute claim goes, I don't have the exact text in front of me, but I would assume that Saddam knew where they were amid his stockpiles. I imagine that there isn't a huge dump where they piled up rounds of ammunition and they would have to dig in and try to find the exact ones that might have weapons prohibited by the armistice. If you walk in a 500,000 sq. ft wharehouse and go looking for a particular item, you might never find it. But if you have a system, like any half assed organization would, you would be able to walk right to it. With a delivery system in place (artillery equipment, mobile rocket launchers), it is entirely possible that the 45 minute claim is fairly accurate.
Of course, these are all assumptions, including the assumption that the capacity was there, and that the statement was even made as presented by the very biased members of this BBS. Like I said, I don't have the original text in front of me.
It's very easy to cry 'liar' when the evidence is not clear or unavailable to you. Even when all is said and done in Iraq, proving that the current administration knowingly provided the world with false information will be very difficult. You are however entitled to your opinion, and I think that everyone that ventures on these boards is well aware of where you stand, and what you stand for.
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Originally posted by Scootter
Good post JBA,
this should be a thread of it's own
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2670-2003Sep25¬Found=true
:aok
Thanks.
Swatting down liberal blather is like arguing with a 5 year old. After all the screaming and yelling stops, they call you names and go away mad.
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IMHO if they haven't found WMD"s in six months they never will. We were all lead to believe that there were 1000's of tons of the stuff waiting in warheads and ready to launch. Or huge stockpiles in bunkers.
Seems neither has been found, and now using evidence of "possible programes of WMD"s? hardly the same. Especially if that's to try back up the arguments of going to war.
Maybe when they find Sadam himself he can tell us, or was that the scientists?
Whole thing is turning into the biggest farce for quite sometime and certinly doing more harm then good for all involved.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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Originally posted by Gixer
IMHO if they haven't found WMD"s in six months they never will.
What do you base your opinion on?
Do you discount the fact that there are several hundred thousand square miles of ammunition dumps that have to be searched?
I'm actually curious how you come to the conclusion that a 6 month time frame is sufficient given the enormity of the search involved. I actually felt that we would find them right away myself at first, but after learning a bit more about the situation, I feel that more time is needed before calling the game.
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Simply on the ever growing possibility that were never any WMD to start with.
Intelligence agencies have had months/years gathering intelligence on Iraq's WMD's and the sites of greatest possibilty all returning zero.
Current theories that the odd shell or barrel might be scattered across ammo dumps over the country is starting to sound a little desperate, compared to the evidence and arguments given before the war.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in a few more months when the Bush Administration's hand picked weapons guy completes his final report.
If he returns nothing, it will unfortunetly spell a quick end for Blair's leadership. Especially since the war in UK is extremely unpopular.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by Lazerus
What do you base your opinion on?
Do you discount the fact that there are several hundred thousand square miles of ammunition dumps that have to be searched?
I'm actually curious how you come to the conclusion that a 6 month time frame is sufficient given the enormity of the search involved. I actually felt that we would find them right away myself at first, but after learning a bit more about the situation, I feel that more time is needed before calling the game.
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concealed, that is, from the hapless Hans Blix.
That comment alone shows the credibility of that article.. Can you say bias?
Americans
:rolleyes:
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Thx Gunther,
Here’s another very good article if the righties would only read it.. They won’t it’s written by Seymour Hersh. It’s called “The StovePipe”.. How info that never was vetted, got stove piped to the highest reaches of government. Very interesting.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact
The point is not that the President and his senior aides were consciously lying. What was taking place was much more systematic—and potentially just as troublesome. Kenneth Pollack, a former National Security Council expert on Iraq, whose book “The Threatening Storm” generally supported the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein, told me that what the Bush people did was “dismantle the existing filtering process that for fifty years had been preventing the policymakers from getting bad information. They created stovepipes to get the information they wanted directly to the top leadership. Their position is that the professional bureaucracy is deliberately and maliciously keeping information from them.
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Blow them up on live TV next July 4th!!!!
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if we find your WMD fine, if we don't fine ..
Iraq is better off now as is the entire Middle East
anyone else see Iran back tracking? Think they would be if we weren't right next door?
the libs talk a mean story, like to stand around and wring their hands and talk - alot of that happened '92-'00. It got us 9/11.
days of inaction are over
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ya know, they are not as stupid as you think they are. With an invasion looming, do you think they would leave a WMD cache around for America to say "see, we told you!"? They are either destroyed or shipped out to OBL in Pakistan.( that place where we draw the line of distinction between terrorists and the people who harbor them)
Riddle me this... in the past any time Saddam had WMD he used them, he used mustard gas on the Iranians, and the kurds,
He fired scuds in to Israel and Saudi Arabia.
He knew this time the fight with America would be to depose him and remove him from power...
It would being to the death... and given that the US tried to kill OBL....
Why didn't Saddam use his WMD?
Could it be.... could it be.... he doesn't have any?
His people now are comitting acts of suicide to kill US troops...
If there are WMD, some Iraqis know....
It would be a great blow against the "great satan" to light off one of those Ricin Suicide bombs and kill 100 American Soldiers.
Wouldn't it?
yet it hasn't happened.....
Could it be... could it be.. there are no WMD?
Ok let Kay look through the rest of the 130 weapons cache.
And when he comes up empty...
I told you so!
If Saddam had WMD... he would have used them!
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Today's understatement:
If Saddam did not have WMD's he certainly played his poker hand unwisely.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Every day that goes by, I begin to think a little more that we may actually find something sooner or later. I am still amazed at the caches that our grunts are finding.
Thursday, October 23, 2003
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. forces acted on a tip about an Iraqi weapons supply Thursday and ended up discovering a much larger find — a hidden cache of buried surface-to-air missiles and mines.
Military officials are still tallying the cache but have retrieved at least 317 4-foot rockets and 220 anti-tank mines. Fox News had exclusive access to the military during the operation about 45 miles south of Baghdad.
4-foot rockets!?
Unbelievable!
They are definetly weapons of mass destruction! Allmighty PZRK Strela, the mainstay of Soviet nuclear shield!
Damn, this portable SAMs are a company/batallion air defence. No doubt, they were a direct threat to the US!
Does anyone except me have an impression that someone tries to crap into their brains?... This "WMD" arguments are more and more idiotic.
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Originally posted by Boroda
4-foot rockets!?
Unbelievable!
They are definetly weapons of mass destruction! Allmighty PZRK Strela, the mainstay of Soviet nuclear shield!
Damn, this portable SAMs are a company/batallion air defence. No doubt, they were a direct threat to the US!
Does anyone except me have an impression that someone tries to crap into their brains?... This "WMD" arguments are more and more idiotic.
Wouldn't you like to know what is in the warheads before deciding there are no WMDs in this cache. Or have you assumed they've already examined them all?
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Originally posted by JBA
I have been to medical school, and I have never heard of Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever.
I don't know one doctor in 100 who has. It is a rare disease, and you can be sure that Hussein was not seeking a cure. ……
So rare in fact that according to the WHO "The disease is endemic in many countries in Africa, Europe and Asia, and during 2001, cases or outbreaks have been recorded in Kosovo, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, and South Africa." Just in case the word "endemic" was another thing you missed at medical school, it means: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913):
Endemic \En*de"mic\
Peculiar to a district or particular locality, or class of persons; as, an endemic disease.
Note: An endemic disease is one which is constantly present to a greater or less degree in any place, as distinguished from an epidemic disease, which prevails widely at some one time, or periodically, and from a sporadic disease, of which a few instances occur now and then.
Of course that wouldn't apply to Iraq:
(http://www.who.int/entity/csr/disease/crimean_congoHF/CCHFcountryatrisk.jpg)
So as you point out - no reason for them to be looking for a cure, at all, at all.
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Originally posted by -dead-
So rare in fact that according to the WHO "The disease is endemic in many countries in Africa, Europe and Asia, and during 2001, cases or outbreaks have been recorded in Kosovo, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, and South Africa." Just in case the word "endemic" was another thing you missed at medical school, it means: Of course that wouldn't apply to Iraq:
(http://www.who.int/entity/csr/disease/crimean_congoHF/CCHFcountryatrisk.jpg)
So as you point out - no reason for them to be looking for a cure, at all, at all.
How many cases of this disease were documented?
How much research was dedicated to more prevolent diseases in Iraq such as cancer, heart disease etc.'
A few things bother me.
1) If SH had WMD, why did he not use them against the US? Is it possible the decision he made to divide defense amound 4 people spread his power base, and none of those 4 could be reached or could make the decision to use said weapons on their own? Is it possible, these 4 feared a warcrimes trial?
2) SH did have WMD at one time as he did in fact use said weapons.
3) How much space does a WMD take? Can a vial of biotoxin wipe out a city? Are we talking about weapons small enough to fit into a fridge, or requiring a warehouse facility? The smaller they are, the easier to hide.
4) If GWB is a liar, why does he not just have the WMD's planted? Is it because he might not get away with it, or because he has some integrity and would rather suffer the consequences than to have to lie. I mean, according to some, this man is a bald faced liar...whats one more lie to save his butt?
5) Isn't Iraq the country that buried an entire air force?
6) If SH did not have WMDs why did he constantly block weapoins inspecors from the UN? Was he not interested in getting the sanctions lifted? Whoud he rather lose power than allow inspections? If he had nothing to hide, he made the worst decision I've ever seen. He is out of power, on the run, living like an animal, and he HAD nothing to hide...right?
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Bush justification for invoking the War Powers Act and attacking in SELF DEFENCE were:
1. Saddam has (not had) STOCKPILES of WMD
2. These WMD are READY to use against the USA with in 45 minutes.
3. US has irrefutable evidence Saddam has WMD
Let's see what Kay finds... search all the 130 weapons caches.
The fact that weapons caches of convention weapons are found... is not evidence of WMD. Every soveign nation is allowed to have conventional weapons - even dictatorships.
When WMD are found, the world will recognize this, and it will be plastered all over the news. There will be no doubt.
That has not happen yet - plenty of false alarms reported by FOX news... which were later quietly retracted... when it was found to be pesticides or fertilizer (That's the White Houses largest export)
I would say that if no WMD are found by time Bush is removed from office, then there never was any.
It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.
So then why does'nt the administration just plant the WMD there?
I mean, they are liars, after all.
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DmdNexus <--------------still being ignored.
Your annoying. Try to make some since without being incensing
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.
Before you do what? Whine some more?
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the lie has been proven, more time just lets the trail grow cold.
it took them 3 days to discover that the cia leak would possibly never be caught? get the hell out. partisan investigations are great :(
you guys are so stuck fighting us "liberals" your not even considering the line of **** your own party is feeding you while selling out the honor of our country and our childrens lives.
and hell yea im pissed about it. hint coke heads are never good people. learn it live it dont elect it president.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
the lie has been proven, more time just lets the trail grow cold.
Could you post a link to where this evidence is reported. And not an op-ed piece please.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Wouldn't you like to know what is in the warheads before deciding there are no WMDs in this cache. Or have you assumed they've already examined them all?
Evil communists are smart enough to arm their portable SAMs with biological and chemical warheads. Every "core" warhead of a Strela SAM can be armed with WMD! It's weight reaches significant 4kg, so it can be able to turn a multimillion city into a desert!
I expect reports about dozens of American servicemen wounded or dead while examining Strela warheads looking for WMD.
Also I can foresee reports about Evil Dictator Hussein hiding anthrax spores in unmarked baby milk mix boxes.
I won't be surprised if sooner or later they'll say Hussein have stored his WMD on board of Mir space station.
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Originally posted by Scootter
are you 14 or 15 years old?
PEOPLE!!!... stop quoting mork dork doofus! I've got him blocked for a REASON ya know!
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I think Senator Biden's remarks can speak to the arguments presented here.
Given Saddam’s actual use of chemical weapons against Iran and his own Kurdish population, and the conclusion of UN weapons inspectors that huge stockpiles of such weapons were unaccounted for, the burden of proof was on him to account for his arsenal of WMD. He had ample time to show weapons inspectors that he no longer possessed them, and his failure to do so led the entire world to assume he retained them. That’s why UN Resolution 1441 passed unanimously in the Security Council.
You can go on crying about Bush lieing about Iraq'a chemical weapons capability, but if he did, so did Blix, the U.N., UNMOVIC etc etc. We'll never know if the war would have happened if Saddam had bothered to PROVE he'd destroyed his stockpiles.... why didn't he? How hard would it have been to allow unfettered(sp?) access for inspection purposes?
Why didn't Saddam use chem/bio against our troops? Did he believe he might survive an invasion intact? If so, what are the chances he thought he could survive after employing wmd? What about the warnings (leaflets) sent by the coalition warning Saddam's commanders (the same commanders who'd seen what an bellybutton kicking really is in 91) about the consequences of employing chem? Did the GET that message?
It's all moot anyway, the war happened. As insignificant as this BB is in the greater scheme of things, how about debating how reconstruction should happen?
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Originally posted by Tumor
I think Senator Biden's remarks can speak to the arguments presented here.
You can go on crying about Bush lieing about Iraq'a chemical weapons capability, but if he did, so did Blix, the U.N., UNMOVIC etc etc. We'll never know if the war would have happened if Saddam had bothered to PROVE he'd destroyed his stockpiles.... why didn't he? How hard would it have been to allow unfettered(sp?) access for inspection purposes?
Why didn't Saddam use chem/bio against our troops? Did he believe he might survive an invasion intact? If so, what are the chances he thought he could survive after employing wmd? What about the warnings (leaflets) sent by the coalition warning Saddam's commanders (the same commanders who'd seen what an bellybutton kicking really is in 91) about the consequences of employing chem? Did the GET that message?
It's all moot anyway, the war happened. As insignificant as this BB is in the greater scheme of things, how about debating how reconstruction should happen?
Can I get an AMEN?
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your arguments revolve around totaly absent chemical/bact/nuke weapons. they apprear and dissapear at whim for you.
you cant claime they had them ready to use as they did not.
you just cant keep claiming somthing that has been disproven.
after a while its just raving.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
your arguments revolve around totaly absent chemical/bact/nuke weapons. they apprear and dissapear at whim for you.
you cant claime they had them ready to use as they did not.
you just cant keep claiming somthing that has been disproven.
after a while its just raving.
Sure I can. Watch me.
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scary thoughts, for all we know, he could still be out there with some...:eek: