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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nuku on September 23, 2000, 10:33:00 AM
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With all this hoopla about the language filter and getting radio censored, it just occurred to me... the filter is on the WRONG end! It's too far upstream!
The filter should be placed on the FE of the listeners, not the talkers. The talkers can swear all they want, and the listners can just activate the filter and not hear the language.
Further, if it's part of the FE, the different levels of language morality can be adjusted by editing a list of key words kept by the USERS, not the host.
If you don't want to listen to profanity, you don't have to; and those who want so spout can (they actually don't care if anyone hears them, but DO care about being actively muted)
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I disagree Nuku. I think HTC has wisely chosen to keep that kind of talk completely out of the arena.
This drops the load on the client end because it isn't having to constantly filter through the radio transmissions and it also discourages the behavior in the first place.
Why is it so many feel the need to cuss? If you think it makes you smarter or better, well, you are just wrong. Why not just keep it clean and leave it at that?
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Yep, what Renfield said.
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I'd prefer a client side, user defined filter to a bland, generic, get everything server side one. Let the users add the words to a txt/cfg file that they want censored.
Keep in mind that we have an international community. Some words that are acceptable/aren't profanity to some people are totally unacceptable to others. This is one reason, IMNSHO, why a client side, user defined list would be the better way to go.
Besides the server already has enough to keep up with.
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This drops the load on the client end because it isn't having to constantly filter through the radio.
Erm.. and it is better to have the server sift through hundreds? I've not seen a client side language filter that impacted refreshrate or client performance in any way. They are quite invisible. Sorry, but this argument is invalid.
As of course, is most of this whole topic. Its wonderful to be in yet another invironment where people are so keen on regulating other people's actions.
I wonder what takes away from enjoying the game more?
AKDejaVu
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Deja, I think the key is to just discourage the behavior completely. Why is it so important to be able to cuss?
Kids will purge a client-side filter and then parents may go ballistic to see what kind of playworld their darling is participating in. AH should never be allowed to turn into a venomous chatroom.
There is some appeal to a client-side filter, but I think HTC has it in the right place and is handling it the correct way.
Had so many not ignored it when others asked them to tone it down, this never would have happened.
And I agree that this loads the server. However, the server only has to filter once instead of hundreds of clients filtering individually. No matter what you say, it would be an extra burden on the client and decrease performance. Sure it would be slight, but as the list gets longer, then the impact becomes greater.
Hopefully people will get the message on this online behavior thing. HT was in the arena this morning asking opinions on muting a player once enough of his fellow countrymen squelch him. This is also unfortunately another example of how the community as a whole has to pay for the actions of a few who abuse.
I'd much rather have HTC working on 1.05 than dealing with the issues that keep getting pressed by a few. If everyone would mind their manners a little more, maybe this won't be implemented. As it stands now, I'm 100% in favor of the vote mute for the same reasons I'm in favor of the filter.
This stuff is much needed if AH is to grow and survive. Actually, I'd like to see a few accounts revoked as that would also clean up the arena. The mute/filter at least lets the jerks see they aren't going to win and might as well learn to get along.
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The language in the arenas have gotten worse over the last few months.
WTG HT........ About time
As there is no need for profanity in the arenas this is whats needed to control the 6 years old mentallity...
Dog out...........
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Deja, I think the key is to just discourage the behavior completely. Why is it so important to be able to cuss?
You aren't discouraging behavior. You are discouraging curse words. If you don't like to see them, disable them... be able to select what words you want disabled. Just don't force your views on other people.
If you have an agenda to actually discourage behavior.. then we have a problem.
If HTC created a client side .txt file with a list of words you don't want to see in your text buffer, each pilot could tailor their filter to their own preferences. Plain and simple. HTC could place a default list with x words in it.. that can be removed by the user if he so desires.
Do you have a serious problem with that? If you do, I have to question your motives.
AKDejaVu
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--- Renfield: ---
This drops the load on the client end because it isn't having to constantly filter through the radio transmissions and it also discourages the behavior in the first place.
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Given the coder is not totally drunk, the load that filtering text imposes on todays computers ( given reasonably sized dictionary ) is rather small.
And further more - since it is at the host - I bet non-English people can still be as offensive as they want and HTC is doing nothing about it. It's going to take a while before we see a Finnish profanity filter at the server. OTOH on the client level if someone wanted he could have implemented one for him self within minutes and make it available for everyone else.
Not that I support filtering profanity anyhow, but a better design would have been a client-side-filter.
// fats
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Originally posted by Renfield:
I disagree Nuku. I think HTC has wisely chosen to keep that kind of talk completely out of the arena.
This drops the load on the client end because it isn't having to constantly filter through the radio transmissions and it also discourages the behavior in the first place.
The load is less on the client than on the server. The Client only has to take care of whatever private channels you have tuned, the general channel, and the country channel, and only when it has to output some text.
The server has to take care of ALL channels from hundreds of users, and that occurs *constantly*.
Also, HTC dropped this thing on us without making clear what is "clean" language. Can I say "We're screwed?". How about "Get this zeke off my butt/ass/heiny!". Do you know?
The way it's implemented now, for some language constructs, it's like suddenly getting slapped for scratching your face. For me, "butt" and "ass" are synonymous, and not the least bit offensive. "squeak" is offensive to me, but is allowed by the filter.
I'll abide by laws, but HTC needs to publish them, because my idea of profanity is obviously different from theirs.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
You aren't discouraging behavior. You are discouraging curse words. If you don't like to see them, disable them... be able to select what words you want disabled. Just don't force your views on other people.
If you have an agenda to actually discourage behavior.. then we have a problem.
If HTC created a client side .txt file with a list of words you don't want to see in your text buffer, each pilot could tailor their filter to their own preferences. Plain and simple. HTC could place a default list with x words in it.. that can be removed by the user if he so desires.
Do you have a serious problem with that? If you do, I have to question your motives.
AKDejaVu
Yea, I can see little Joey typing Obsenities into the chat filter as his mother's looking over his shoulder asking what he's doing.
NUTTZ
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Yea, I can see little Joey typing Obsenities into the chat filter as his mother's looking over his shoulder asking what he's doing.
Erm.. what part of "default" has you confused the most?
Oh.. wait.. lets go back to the "its for the kids" argument again.
That's a handy one to pull out.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
If HTC created a client side .txt file with a list of words you don't want to see in your text buffer, each pilot could tailor their filter to their own preferences. Plain and simple. HTC could place a default list with x words in it.. that can be removed by the user if he so desires.
Do you have a serious problem with that? If you do, I have to question your motives.
AKDejaVu
I have a problem with that.
And here are my motives...
Do you think a new guy in the arena is gonna be able to configure his *bad language* filter? I have a hard enough time getting them flying. I could see me in the TA.
"Yeah, and ya need to edit this file called config.cussout, Put all your wordy dords in there like f*ck, sh*t, futhermucker", all the while the new guy is thinking "What the... ???"
We have enough settings to keep us busy as is.
I think HT is just trying to keep the BS out of the Arena. Plain and simple. Whats the big deal???
If somebody thinks their toes are getting stepped on, then ##### 'em. (did I say that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) Learn to act civil on the open channel. Thats all there is to it.
If you wanna be *Mister Big Cusser* then get on RW. Heck, join The ASSASSINS channel, and show us what ya got, chances are we'll teach you some new words. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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My reply was directed towards the open and private channel. Squad channel might need to be re-thought.
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Originally posted by hblair:
If you wanna be *Mister Big Cusser* then get on RW. Heck, join The ASSASSINS channel, and show us what ya got, chances are we'll teach you some new words. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Just join the ASSASSINS is what I say!!!
But HB is right, I was in the Navy for 8 years, and thought I heard it all til he taught me some very creative verbal skills.
I had a funny moment once when were we inbound to an enema base for a strike and I typed in on the SQUAD channel: "The bandits must be close, I'm startin' to get a WOODY." Well imagine my embarrassment, when Leon our Ukranian Squadmate asked "What's a woody?"
Needless to say english is his second language, and it took a few minutes for me to form an adequate response to what a "WOODY" in fact is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by milnko (edited 09-23-2000).]
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Do you think a new guy in the arena is gonna be able to configure his *bad language* filter? I have a hard enough time getting them flying. I could see me in the TA.
Nope.. not at all. I don't believe it should be documented at all either.
Basically, if someone is adamant about being able to curse on the comms.. allow them a means to do it. Of course nobody will hear them.. but so be it.
The default will be no cursing. The only people that will see cursing on the text buffer will be those that willfully enabled it.
That is something called CHOICE.
AKDejaVu
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DejaVu, that sends the message that profainty is an exceptible behavior in AH.
If you don't like it just use your filter or squelch me.
That same idea can extends well beyond profanity and can realy degrade the fun that people can have online.
In reality only a few people have been abusing the system, but they were creating frustations for a lot of people.
The filter has nothing to do about ethical choice people wish to make. It does have a lot to do with what will make the community larger and have more fun.
As to going overboard, some times problems are best delt with via a swift kick in the pance,just to make your point.
You can always easy off later.
P.S.
Just had a very strange thought, in all my time online, when anyone asked some one to clean up there launguge, I have never once heard anyone else respond, oh let him use all the bad laungage he wants, I realy like hearing all that stuff.
HiTech
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
That is something called CHOICE.
Ummm, and it isn't HTC's choice to implement the filter how they see fit and to cut the profanity in the arena? This is their business. I think they have a choice too. They made the call to implement this as they did. What is your problem with it?
I think it is fine where it is as it is. It stops the vast majority of the cursing - cold. Why do you have such a strong need to cuss?
And what is to question about my motives? You think I'm some sort of commie censor trying to take over the grand 'ole USA? Nothing farther from the truth. I'm sick of the 2-week wonders who get in and cuss up a storm when everyone/someone doesn't drop everything to help them when they don't read the help they are getting or bother to read the help files. I'm tired of the subscribing 8-15 year olds who rant and cuss because others don't fly exactly as they want them to. I'm tired of the "adults" who also can't control their languange and don't respect that there are people who object to that on the open and country channels. And I'm tired of the extreme profanity that occasionally occurs when someone asks that the profanity end because they have a kid or grandkid watching. That is my motive.
Me thinks thou doth protest to much Deja. Do you have the need to cuss and spew profanity? May I suggest AOL chatrooms if that is what you need to do. Let's try to keep AH a little nicer place to enjoy recreation.
If you want to cuss to someone, open up a RW channel and cuss away. That way it is confined to only those on the channel and they can easily leave that RW channel without having to leave AH.
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DejaVu, that sends the message that profainty is an exceptible behavior in AH.
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Making it default to filtering? Making it so someone actually has to enable it? What it says is "nobody has to listen to your crap". That is all.
Much better than the "Behave children!" message you are sending out right now.
AKDejaVu
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The more I think about it.. the more a message window popping up to tell someone to stop swearing is a rediculous idea.
I'm sure all newbies will think its a cool thing to see the first time they learn about it. I'm sure the response won't be "what the #$%^?" Everyone loves to have moral highground shoved in their face. It should attact tons of new people!
What was I thinking.
AKDejaVu
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Let the users add the words to a txt/cfg
file that they want censored.
Why should I have to do *any* work to filter this junk out when the guy who's doing all the swearing doesn't have to do anything??? Something's wrong with that scenerio.
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Deja, what is your problem and what is your motive?
Why do you insist so strongly that the AH arena turn into a gutter, offend new players, and cause regulars to leave?
What is wrong with a message window popping up? It informs the player that they crossed the line.
Why not see how this works for a while and if the arena doesn't become a nicer place to fly? If this is somehow offensive to you, don't let the door hit you in the behind.
It's what I was thinking.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I'm sure all newbies will think its a cool thing to see the first time they learn about it. I'm sure the response won't be "what the #$%^?" Everyone loves to have moral highground shoved in their face. It should attact tons of new people!
AKDejaVu
Moral high ground shoved in their face because saying obscenities is not allowed? Funny stuff there.
I'm sure the newbie (30-40 yrs of age) logging in and seeing some nerd on channel 1 typing "f*ck this, etc." thinks "Wow, I really dig these fellas"
I just reread your reply, still aint got a clue what it means...
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Once again hblair, with the client-side filter, defaulting to include the words currently filtered on the server, the newbie would not see any fowl language.
He also would not be exposed to the message the first time he said ass.
The moral high ground is to assume nobody wants to be exposed to that type of language so it should be punished. Another view may be to default the game to filter that language then let each individual decide if they can handle it.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Erm.. what part of "default" has you confused the most?
Oh.. wait.. lets go back to the "its for the kids" argument again.
That's a handy one to pull out.
AKDejaVu
I think we are both confused, what i typed wasn't mean to be perceived a slam, and maybe i am also confused. Let me see if i can shead some light on this. What you said ( from my interpretation) Is that you suggested a "default" list that you can click off and modify on your client end. Is this right?
And my responce about " little Joey" was... IF you say the client end can be modified, that "little joey" could have access to this modification, therefore ( my attempt at Pun) would be "little Joey" On his client end sifting threw the "list" of BAD words HTC sent in his FE, checking off all the words he doesn't want to hear,, as his mother looks on... I found it an oxymoron. But then again i AM twisted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ
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Actually.. I wouldn't make the list accessable from a menu either. It would simply be a text file that would have to be opened with a text editor.
Now.. if someone is foolish enough to believe that "little joey" is smart enough to go to HTC, download a game, install it then go and open the badlanguage.txt file with an editor and see bad words... well.. they need to accept that "little joey" has seen much worse than that on the net.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Actually.. I wouldn't make the list accessable from a menu either. It would simply be a text file that would have to be opened with a text editor.
Now.. if someone is foolish enough to believe that "little joey" is smart enough to go to HTC, download a game, install it then go and open the badlanguage.txt file with an editor and see bad words... well.. they need to accept that "little joey" has seen much worse than that on the net.
AKDejaVu
I'm not a lawyer ( and i don't play one on TV) But, i think sending a "bad word" list out to the public ( including minors), would have legal ramifications. Weather it was hidden or out in the open, with intent to distribute, could and probably would cause major problems. In the Commonwealth of PA anyone under the age of 18 is still a minor. I think HTC is exposed to MANY people under 18. You would be surprised what a "child" knows computer wise.
NUTTZ
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Nuttz, it would have no legal ramifications. Its been done before.. many times.
AKDejaVu
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The fact is, you have the option to use RW to curse all you want. I am in complete agreement with those that state that if HTC decides they don't want this behavior anywhere on the service, it shouldn't be there. Further, it is silly to make me work to avoid hearing what I don't want to hear anyway. As for downloading a default text file with the banned words on it, well, we go back to HTC not wanting the words on the service in the first place.
If you were in my home, you would not be permitted to use foul language, whether or not my kids were present. I don't want to hear it. If I owned a theater or restaurant and you paid to watch a movie or eat, I would insist you not use profane language- I wouldn't tell the other customers to stuff cotton in their ears.
This line still has me scratching my head;
Its wonderful to be in yet another invironment where people are so keen on regulating other people's actions.
You can't be serious?
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Originally posted by Kieren:
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If I owned a theater or restaurant and you paid to watch a movie or eat, I would insist you not use profane language- I wouldn't tell the other customers to stuff cotton in their ears.
Point well made. Nice Analogy.
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. If I owned a theater or restaurant and you paid to watch a movie or eat, I would insist you not use profane language- I wouldn't tell the other customers to stuff cotton in their ears.
The analogy carries no weight. In a restaurant you do not have the ability to filter languange. Nor do you in a theatre.
In AH you do. Why you insist this one method is the best is beyond me.
Let people type whatever they want. Nobody has to listen to it. It can be set by default... and only changed by the action of the user.
I am not a big fan of cursing on public comms. This is not about "I got kicked for cursing". I think that if other alternatives are available, they should be used instead.
A big deal is being made of cursing via banning/discontinue of service. The simple truth is, people want others to "pay" for cursing now. A simpler solution is to filter it out. Simply filter.
Why is it that everybody prefers the punitive as opposed to the passive? It simply baffles me.
AKDejaVu
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Hblair, you ever notice you have to vaccum up all the Pom Pom sheds after visiting the BBS?
AH could use a cheerleader while Fatty is gone to Florida, but something a bit more Asian, tiny, and female please.
Thanks anyway.
Love,
Creamo
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My local libary had this brilliant idea, instead of having to be quiet while inside they instead they had people who didn't want to be disturbed bring earphones.Voila!
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The analogy carries no weight. In a restaurant you do not have the ability to filter languange. Nor do you in a theatre.
err, the analogy carries weight because HTC decided to stop the people from sending the foul language, rather than intercepting foul language that has already been sent. That doesn't make sense??? Seems pretty simple here.
Creamo, not cheerleading. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Just saying what I really think. I'm just past the point of trying hard to be the kewl dude rebel. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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err, the analogy carries weight because HTC decided to stop the people from sending the foul language, rather than intercepting foul language that has already been sent.
AH.. OK. I see you have the standard set of blinders on. NOBODY should see the language, because well.. its naughty. Well.. squad channel is OK... but nowhere else. Anywhere else and its NAUGHTY.
Sent/not sent is not the issue. Displayed/not displayed is the issue.
Right now people are trying to justify HTC's current fix as if it were the end-all be-all solution to the problem. I disagree. I think it could be done differently to allow for more flexibility.
More people seem concerned with imposing their views on others than actually solving the problem.
AKDejaVu
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Here's another small analogy that may or may not make it through to yer brain.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Me, my father, and a brother of mine run a business, an auto collision repair shop, 14 employees, deal with the public daily. We have to ride the middle ground between the customer and the insurance company. Sometimes you gotta give a little here to make it right there. We've had looney customers get upset in the office and want to raise hell and curse at thier insurance company (this has only happened a couple times in the last 15 years) in front of other customers. You oughta see thier face when they are asked to leave. They couldn't believe the world didn't revolve around their *rights* (their percieved rights that is).
The moral of the story? Sometimes you gotta offend the morons to appease the bulk of your customers.
again...
Sometimes you gotta offend the morons to appease the bulk of your customers.
and again...
Sometimes you gotta offend the morons to appease the bulk of your customers.
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looney customers get upset in the office and want to raise hell and curse at thier insurance company (this has only happened a couple times in the last 15 years) in front of other customers.
And.. if there were no other customers.. would you still have kicked them out? What if you couldn't hear them cursing.. nor the other customers.. would you still have kicked them out?
Speaking and typing are not the same thing. One can be sifted through prior to being seen and removed. Filters don't work like that in real life. Once again, your analogy carries no weight.
Sometimes you gotta offend the morons to appease the bulk of your customers.
Its obvious you enjoy your position on this point to the level of calling anyone that differs a moron. Thankyou for proving my point.
AKDejaVu
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And.. if there were no other customers.. would you still have kicked them out? What if you couldn't hear them cursing.. nor the other customers.. would you still have kicked them out?
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And what if he did it in sign language? and What if he did it in a foreign language? and What if he was really halfway out in the shop when he did it? and... and... and...
How far are you going to go with this? Good grief.
Speaking and typing are not the same thing. One can be sifted through prior to being seen and removed. Filters don't work like that in real life. Once again, your analogy carries no weight.
Through one ear and out the other.
Its obvious you enjoy your position on this point to the level of calling anyone that differs a moron. Thankyou for proving my point.
Actually, you prove that you can't read, the "morons" I refered to are the dips that think they have a *right* to make other people hear their BS. If you consider yourself in that group, then be offended, whatever.
This has turned into a petty arguement over a language filter.
I think HT will make whatever changes need to be made to it. He's already said he will change it so squads will be freed up. Thats enough for me.
You think the whole thing oughta be rewritten, (as if HTC doesn't have other things to deal with) so as not to *offend* the morons who have no control over whether or not they type cuss words, make it possible so that if we feel we *want to hear it*, we can configure it so that we can.
I'm going into the arena and fly a while, as I tell my wife, You can have the last word, I've made my point, whether your brain is capable of picking it up or not, is another discussion entirely.
Have a good day.
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WTG Hblair!
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[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Earth to DejaVu - We've heard it from you over and over and over. You certainly live up to your name - you have that going for you.
Give it a rest. You aren't getting anywhere. Actually you are looking more and more foolish with each argument your try to present. It is HTC's sim and they can do what they want. The majority appear to approve - strongly. Don't like it? LEAVE. Otherwise play.
You are just looking more and more RAM-like (is that an adjective?) in your behavior.
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Renfield.. it must be refreshing to be so right.
And.. how can someone be so right and look like such an ass? Thanks for showing everyone.
AKDejaVu
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Good one man hehe
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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 09-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Renfield.. it must be refreshing to be so right.... AKDejaVu
It is refreshing, Deja - try it some time.
As to looking like an ass. Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Funny, but I just don't see many people stepping up to the plate with you and bleating: "Me! Yes! I want to cuss! I want to swear! I want to insult!"
Again - Earth to Deja. You are on the wrong side of the argument man. And it isn't even an argument - the decision has already been made.
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Originally posted by Renfield:
Again - Earth to Deja. You are on the wrong side of the argument man.
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Deja,
Why in the world are you getting out in front so strongly on such a rediculous issue?
Are you thumping yer chest and saying "Man, this filter thing, it really hits home"...?
What's with this? Admit it... it's goofy...
"Well dammit... It's my gawdamn RIGHT to be able to swear like the bejeesus and DAMMIT if they don't wanna hear it well screw em... It's up to THEM turn throw a switch and shut my ranting off. Gawdammit I'm swearing at them FOR THEIR OWN GOOD..... BUT... if they don't have the good sense to listen.. it's THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT... They can mute me... but at their own peril."
But no.... for some reason... You and some people have this idea that whoever ya decide to go of on a tangent on... well... dammo they NEED to learn a lesson here... Lets drive the bloody point home by...by...by YES... Lets throw a 'diddly' in there... or maybe a 'shit'... YES!!! ... YOU FLY LIKE COMPLETE AND TOTAL HORSE toejam!!! Yes... that's it..
"Hmm.. he called my flying horse toejam... <sigh> ayup... yah.. I better hit the TA... I better unlearn the horseshittedess of my flying..."
Jesus Deja... that is...well... it's so completely pathetic. Is this something ya really feel the need to get behind?
Call me an amazinhunk...if you must... but I find this whole thing kinda strange.
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I read through all of my posts Nash.. and I can't see where I said any of that.
I'm not a big proponent of cursing in the arena, but I'm not a big fan of the changes that have been implimented.
I feel there are better ways.
I'm tired of saying that same thing over and over to a bunch of people that are not willing to listen to reason.
AKDejaVu
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AKDejaVu .... <S>
I think what "nash" is trying to say is perhaps there's a time to move on to new issues. I don't believe he's quoting what you said but rather some of the dialog others have published, who would prefer an open Channel 1 and 2. It does look rather odd when you see the argument from that context.
Most of the time, I admire the way you always play devil's advocate to any issue or post, generally forcing everyone to look at the other side of the coin. Perhaps that's a bi-product of being a good Research Technician on "civvy" street, but I do think sometimes it gets too extreme after the point has been made.
This issue isn't about free speech or no taxation without representation and so on. Some posts have tried to trivialize the issue as nonsense using eloquent responses, but this simply deflects from the real point, which is the corporation and the lion's share of its users prefer a public communication using less vulgarity. So, anyone who doesn't wish to participate under the rules of the owner's house are free to leave, as apparently "joemud" decided to do. If the number of players who quit become unacceptable, or the corporate and community standards shift to the left, then I'm sure we'll see HTC implement a new filter that injects colorful language into the public buffers instead of censoring it.
I do appreciate your point and input.
Robert Kennedy once said, "ten percent of people will never agree to anything".
Regards,
Badger
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[This message has been edited by Badger (edited 09-25-2000).]
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No Badger, that's not what he is trying to say.
He posted to a thread that had been dead for 10 hours.
He didn't make any references to the term "beating a dead horse"
Every paragraph seems to indicate that I am for the prolific use of cursing in the arena because it makes me tougher... or more a man.
It was quite insulting.
Of course... most of the people siding on the side of the language filter have been quite insulting. I guess that's ok because they are so "right"... even if they did curse and become rude.
I guess there IS a time and place for everything... just only when they say its OK.
AKDejaVu
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Uhm....
Nahhh.