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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: miko2d on October 23, 2003, 02:33:32 PM
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Story (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031023/ap_on_re_us/slave_reparations_3)
Crystal Foster's father advised her to spend the [fradulently received] $500,000 income tax refund she got two years ago. When the government came looking for its money, the Fosters said it was their rightful reparations, since their ancestors were slaves.
According to the Internal Revenue Service more than 80,000 tax returns were filed in 2001 seeking nonexistent slavery tax credits, totaling $2.7 billion. More than $30 million was mistakenly paid out in slave reparations in 2000 and part of 2001.
Way to go, IRS!
... the government has also begun quietly cracking down on filers of false claims after years of looking the other way.
If only they kept within reason - at least below half a million, nobody would have bothered them, but the brazen f#$%@#s had to get greedy. Spoiled the game for the rest.
Now we can Look forward to footing the bill for prosecution, non-recovery of the money that has already been spent and for housing them in jail.
miko
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Tax fraud is tax fraud. We should be putting more in jail. Coporate tax fraud too.
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500,000 dollar tax refund? Dang, and I thought I was doing great with 1200 I got back.
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Which line is that on the 1040?
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good thing white people don't file fraudulent tax returns or the nation would go bankrupt.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
good thing white people don't file fraudulent tax returns or the nation would go bankrupt.
MiniD
We use legal loopholes , ty.;)
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I think that the country of africa should be paying the families of slaves.
seeing as africans sold africans to the slave owners:aok
My point is every body had there dirty little hands in the buisness.
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Black people are not treated as humans, but as things by the U.S. government," he said in an interview at the Northern Neck Regional Jail. "We were used as resources to enrich this country and we get no inheritance from the wealth we brought."
Oh please:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by mrblack
I think that the country of africa should be paying the families of slaves.
No words are needed... speaks for itself doesn't it.
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Another good reason to support a flat tax. The current tax code is so convoluted even the IRS doesn't understand it, and therefore can't easily keep track of stupid stuff like this.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No words are needed... speaks for itself doesn't it.
LOL PWN3D
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I think people need a geography review.
Here is a map I made up to help you.
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/world1.gif)
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Originally posted by mrblack
I think that the country of africa should be paying the families of slaves.
seeing as africans sold africans to the slave owners:aok
Oh Boy!
Doesn't matter how it happened... it's how you look at it.. that's important.
Don't like history... just rewrite it... re-think it.... to your point of view... and suddenly.. the world makes sense!
500 mg of Lithium would help too.
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I think you need to crack open a history book my friend:aok
Americans along with europe used slaves.
And Heck yeah that was a HUGE sin.
But it is a well known fact that africans sold one another into slavery.
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I was born in the small town of Africa, Africa.
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
I was born in the small town of Africa, Africa.
Thats nice;)
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Does that make you an African-African-American?
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Hey, no double dipping allowed!
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I don't want to get into a whole new thread on reparations.
But.
The argument about this country prospering from slavery is not accurate. If you look at the GDP and other economic indicators of the south vs. the north (free black workers) you will find that the south was worst off with (slave labor). So to say this country was build on slavery is not true.
It was built on industrialization in the free north.
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The Reverend Mr. Breckenridge, who spent 40 years of his life in an attempt to make the blacks whole through the establishment of Liberia and the return of manumutted slaves to that Free and Independent country(a couple of thousand in 40 years elected to return!), finally reached the conclusion that what? What did he decide? Anyone know? What, in 1862-5 was the best alternative? Slavery, of course was not the answer.
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JBA: It was built on industrialization in the free north.
Actually, there was a huge wealth transfer from the South to the North, so the industrialisation of the free North was largely financed by the slave labor of the South.
It may not be obvious at a first glance but that was an economic reality. I am not getting into the details now but it has to do with the incidence of taxation and such issues.
The country as a whole obviously could not prosper from a forced internal wealth transfer and associated trade restrictions but the North certainly did.
miko
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Wait a minute?
No you are all wrong...
The wealth of this nation comes from it's natural resources...
which were STOLEN from the American INDIAN
who were here BEFORE the BLACK SLAVES.
If any reparations need to be made.. they need to be made to the rightful owners of all the land in this country.
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DmdNexus<-------stilling being ignored.
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
I was born in the small town of Africa, Africa.
Have you visited downtown Africa since the redevelopment?
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Originally posted by JBA
DmdNexus<-------stilling being ignored.
Hardly... you commented to ackowledge you see my comments. :rofl
So in fact saying that you are ignoring me is a lie.
Let me guess... you're a Republican.
So you disagree that the American indians had this land before the European Settlers?
So reparations can be made to black slaves... but not to Indians?
Indians who were massacred, some tribes genicide...
Indians who were living impoverished lives up until the Mafia and Casino's decided to help them out and enrich their lives.
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DmdNexus: The wealth of this nation comes from it's natural resources...
BS. The wealth is a subjective concept and some abstract natural resource have no value to you unless you can derive some use of it. The vast deposits of coal, uranium ore or oil did not represent wealth in 17th century and may stop being wealth in the future.
The majority of the wealth that this country posesses was created by labor.
which were STOLEN from the American INDIAN
True. On the other hand, practically all the people claiming to be amercian indians now are descendants of the europeans. Like the african-americans, actually.
miko
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Wait a minute?
No you are all wrong...
The wealth of this nation comes from it's natural resources...
which were STOLEN from the American INDIAN
who were here BEFORE the BLACK SLAVES.
If any reparations need to be made.. they need to be made to the rightful owners of all the land in this country.
Damn I hate to say it but I agree with the above statement 100%
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Originally posted by miko2d
DmdNexus: The wealth of this nation comes from it's natural resources...
BS.
The majority of the wealth that this country posesses was created by labor.
miko
Labor that was performed by people from China and other places as well.
So the African Black was not the only race of people treated like watermelon in the country.:(
You really have to Admit that the American Indian did get the very short end of the stick:mad:
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Originally posted by miko2d
True. On the other hand, practically all the people claiming to be amercian indians now are descendants of the europeans. Like the african-americans, actually.
miko [/B]
:eek: That means I really am German?!
Now see there is a differance between whiny arsed liberal "Im cherokee" "indians" and myself. German chicks dig real indians :aok
On this reparations business, yeah sure your so many greats-grandfather had it a little bad in the cotton fields yet. Thanks to his sacrifice modern African Americans live in the land of the free. Those who want reparations should be given the cost of a ticket back to their homeland:rofl
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I think if you really do some research you'll find that the majority of the profits of the slave trade went to England.
It was a 3 cornered trade that started with cheap English trade goods, Beads, pig iron, cheap cloth etc.
These were sailed to africa's west coast.
Slaves bought were then shipped to Jamacia, Hati, or the American South & sold to plantation owners. Proceeds were then used to buy Rum & sugar & hauled back to england.
The full round trip could take 3 to 5 years, and either make or break the company who financed it.
So go bother the English for your "reperations". They are the ones who got rich off your G G G Grandparents
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mrblack: Labor that was performed by people from China and other places as well.
So the African Black was not the only race of people treated like watermelon in the country.:(
People from "China and other places" voluntarily came to this country and took employment because it was a better choice for them than what they had elsewhere. The dreadfull conditions they faced back where they came from due to overpopulation, low level of development and oppressive government were certainly not a fault of an entrepreneur who offered them employment.
The black africans on the other hand were kidnapped and brought here against their will.
miko
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Those who want reparations should be given the cost of a ticket back to their homeland
At the time of the Civil war, there were only a very small number of Africans in slavery. The great majority of slaves were Americans.
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Originally posted by miko2d
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The black africans on the other hand were kidnapped and brought here against their will.
miko
Not all of the Black africans were "kidnapped".
Most were sold and tradded by there own people(african blacks).
I remember seeing something somwhere one time I will try to find it.
but It showed to number of slaves brought to what countries.
And If I remember America got like 300.000
And South America got like half a million.
And in deed Europe got Way more than America got.
It just seems that they go after the fattest hog in the pen.
My main point is the slaves were treated well compaired to the American Indian.
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Miko, most were not kidnapped, they were defeated in battle, and sold by the victor. And, uh, I hate to tell you, but the primary enslavor's were black, just like the slaves.
This does not justify slavery, but it does present it in it's true light, which in that era was not unkown in ANY region of the world, Europe included.
Blacks enslaved Blacks, repeat after me(just as they currently do in our more enlighted, modern world).
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Originally posted by mrblack
Not all of the Black africans were "kidnapped".
Most were sold and tradded by there own people(african blacks).
Ahhhh, this means that the Lindberg baby wasn't kinapped at all, as it was a white man taking a white baby. If only Bruno Hauptmann had you for an attorney!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Ahhhh, this means that the Lindberg baby wasn't kinapped at all, as it was a white man taking a white baby. If only Bruno Hauptmann had you for an attorney!
How can you see the real world with you're head up you're arse?
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Originally posted by mrblack
How can you see the real world with you're head up you're arse?
Its YOUR arse... YOUR.
Glad I could help.
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Not acoordang to meye dickshunn nary
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The American Black Has a really Bad habitt of sitting on there fat Arseses and expecting the government to take care of them(welfare checks).
I think your sheet's getting a little snug around your brain.
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most "slaves" from africa were sent to south america or the islands, only a small percentage ended up in america.
my family never had slaves, thats why i'm poor, so i should get reprations for not getting rich from "free" slave labor.
BTW a slave in 1750 cost $40,000 in todays dollars and then you had to feed, cloth, house, etc them.
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Well MT YOUR from California .
I am from Texas and I guess we just see things differently.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well MT YOUR from California .
I am from Texas and I guess we just see things differently.
Oh and for the racord I am In NO way excusing our past in reguards to the slave trads.
It was a Huge Sin .
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Originally posted by Mini D
good thing white people don't file fraudulent tax returns or the nation would go bankrupt.
MiniD
Please someone tell me about these loopholes--
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Wait a minute?
No you are all wrong...
The wealth of this nation comes from it's natural resources...
which were STOLEN from the American INDIAN
who were here BEFORE the BLACK SLAVES.
If any reparations need to be made.. they need to be made to the rightful owners of all the land in this country.
Arghhhhhh crap well hhmmpht hes right and to make matters worse I have been saying the same thing for 30 years....
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Originally posted by miko2d
mrblack: Labor that was performed by people from China and other places as well.
So the African Black was not the only race of people treated like watermelon in the country.:(
People from "China and other places" voluntarily came to this country and took employment because it was a better choice for them than what they had elsewhere. The dreadfull conditions they faced back where they came from due to overpopulation, low level of development and oppressive government were certainly not a fault of an entrepreneur who offered them employment.
The black africans on the other hand were kidnapped and brought here against their will.
miko
Better check up on it --last I heard the Chinese have sold their children into slavery for generations --and still do today -----slavery wasnt just for blacks --its been done and tried with every race on this planet--some just call it other things---
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The problem is with determining which tribe of Indians held the rights, since they were killing each other and stealing the others land as fast as they could before the white men got here. To me, that makes it open season, and none of them have ay more right than we did to it. We were just a whole lot better at it than they were.
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drone: Better check up on it --last I heard the Chinese have sold their children into slavery for generations --and still do today
According to their culture and customs, children were property of the parents. So there was no kidnapping as such. In fact when such slaves succeeded in life and received their freedom and wealth, as it often happened, they often aquired their own slaves.
Also, the concept of a serf is not exactly the same as that of a slave and you may be a bit confused about that. The status of the chinese slaves sold by parents more resembled that of serfs or indentured servants rater than slaves.
And of course they usually sold the children as a alternative to commiting infanticide due to the lack of resources.
miko
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Gadfly: The problem is with determining which tribe of Indians held the rights, since they were killing each other and stealing the others land as fast as they could before the white men got here. To me, that makes it open season, and none of them have ay more right than we did to it. We were just a whole lot better at it than they were.
That was a convenient lie to propagate to justify mudrer and theft.
Did you know that white people bought the island of Manhattan for $24 from Canarsie indians that lived nowhere near to Manhattan.
miko
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Yes I did. So who was wrong, the thieving Indians that sold land that they had no right to sell, or the thieving Dutch who bought it?
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well MT YOUR from California .
I am from Texas and I guess we just see things differently.
That time is was You're.
We see things differently for more reasons than you know. I honestly find it hard to believe that someone in this day and age can still attribute laziness and such to an entire race. You are just plain wrong about that Mrblack.
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Originally posted by miko2d
drone: Better check up on it --last I heard the Chinese have sold their children into slavery for generations --and still do today
According to their culture and customs, children were property of the parents. So there was no kidnapping as such. In fact when such slaves succeeded in life and received their freedom and wealth, as it often happened, they often aquired their own slaves.
Also, the concept of a serf is not exactly the same as that of a slave and you may be a bit confused about that. The status of the chinese slaves sold by parents more resembled that of serfs or indentured servants rater than slaves.
And of course they usually sold the children as a alternative to commiting infanticide due to the lack of resources.
miko
Shoulda put the whole quote in --Like I said people choose to call it many things----property denotes the concept of ownership=slavery............And I'm not confused about anything involving serfs(of course they had the right to go starve somewhere else) or indentured servents----they had the rights of a slave -----A great many of slaves were treated very well and freed by their "masters" long before the civil war...and you need to reread your own reply again and again and again......
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Originally posted by midnight Target
That time is was You're.
We see things differently for more reasons than you know. I honestly find it hard to believe that someone in this day and age can still attribute laziness and such to an entire race. You are just plain wrong about that Mrblack.
I did not say an intire race.
I said the American black.
There is a differnce you know.
I have met alot of people from Africa and I found them to be polite and educated .
And they certinly don't think the world ows them anything.
Just in America Do the bleeding hearts keep this very wound (slavery) open and refuse to let it heal.
Don't you people understand untill this "wound" heals there will never be racial harmony!!
Move on into the future and never forget the past but accept it as the past and let every body heal
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