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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on October 25, 2003, 01:09:34 AM
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http://costofwar.com/
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Cost of no war (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1813203.stm)
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http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
Add to this the approx 10,000 Iraqi dead and 20,000 wounded.
...-Gixer
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And subtract the millions more dead if Saddam's regime had been left in power. kthxdrivethru
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using his wmd to kill these millions?
or his bured migs?
take your brain back from whoever is filling it with ****.
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It's OK; there's no New Zealanders involved afaik.
10,000? Source?
http://www.iraqfoundation.org/hr.html
...In 1975, the regime waged its first war against the Kurdish citizens of Iraq, forcing thousands to flee to neighboring countries. In 1987, the regime carried out the notorious "Anfal" campaign, an operation of extermination that killed thousands of Kurds, with 100,000-180,000 more deemed "disappeared". Waves of Kurds fled across Iraq's borders to avoid the pursuit of the Iraqi army....
In March 1991, immediately following the Gulf war, the Iraqi regime turned its Republican Guard units against citizens who had risen in rebellion against the regime's oppression. Two million Kurds fled across the mountains into Turkey and Iran, as many children and elderly died of exposure and starvation. In the south, the regime's then defense minister boasted that the Republican Guard had killed 300,000 people. Conservative estimates place the number of dead at 30,000....
Guess you'll have to ask the Iraqis if it was worth it. Freedom is rarely, if ever, free.
"Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground,
Mother Earth will swallow you,
Lay your body down."
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Give him his brain back then, LDV.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
using his wmd to kill these millions?
or his bured migs?
take your brain back from whoever is filling it with ****.
You're right.
The people in those mass graves died from natural causes.
Saddam had no means to kill people.
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Boosh filled all them iraqi mass graves. He even gassed the Kurds to frame that poor Saint Saddam and steal all his oil and gold toilet fittings. And pass them out to his rich fat cat friends.
Deth to Ameriky!!!!
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Gixer, just because your ****-ry is too chicken to stand up to any thing doesn't give you the right to tell other's how to conduct their war on the evil people of this earth!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by medicboy
Gixer, just because your ****-ry is too chicken to stand up to any thing doesn't give you the right to tell other's how to conduct their war on the evil people of this earth!
:rolleyes:
Would the people who put saddam in power be evil people too? But, as I have been told from a young age, if you make the mess, you have to clean it up.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Would the people who put saddam in power be evil people too? But, as I have been told from a young age, if you make the mess, you have to clean it up.
Yes, the baath party is evil also and they should be terminated!!!:eek:
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Originally posted by medicboy
Yes, the baath party is evil also and they should be terminated!!!:eek:
Try again
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Try again
You know, I was wondering where you were, been quiet with out you here... Welcome!
So if the Baath(sp?) party didn't put sodomy in power, who did?
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Originally posted by medicboy
You know, I was wondering where you were, been quiet with out you here... Welcome!
So if the Baath(sp?) party didn't put sodomy in power, who did?
http://www.oppression.org/middleeast/saddam.html
We do alot to look out for our best interest. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we plan.
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That left wing rag is the first place I have heard anything even close to that... You try again, from a legit source..
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Originally posted by medicboy
That left wing rag is the first place I have heard anything even close to that... You try again, from a legit source..
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/11/46657.html
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http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/howsaddam.html
How many you need?
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Maybe you should read things before you post... :rofl
Here is a quote from that last link:
"America did not put Saddam in power. He emerged after two decades of turmoil in the ’60s and ’70s, as various strongmen tried to gain control of a nation that had been concocted by British imperialists in the 1920s out of three distinct and rival factions, the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds. "
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Rumsfeld was aware that Saddam was a murderous thug who supported terrorists and was trying to build a nuclear weapon. (The Israelis had already bombed Iraq’s nuclear reactor at Osirak.) But at the time, America’s big worry was Iran, not Iraq. The Reagan administration feared that the Iranian revolutionaries who had overthrown the shah (and taken hostage American diplomats for 444 days in 1979-81) would overrun the Middle East and its vital oilfields. On the—theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the Reaganites were seeking to support Iraq in a long and bloody war against Iran. The meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam was consequential: for the next five years, until Iran finally capitulated, the United States backed Saddam’s armies with military intelligence, economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.
Nice try
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But the story of how America helped create a Frankenstein monster it now wishes to strangle is sobering. It illustrates the power of wishful thinking, as well as the iron law of unintended consequences.
and here is the rest of what u quoted
America did not put Saddam in power. He emerged after two decades of turmoil in the ’60s and ’70s, as various strongmen tried to gain control of a nation that had been concocted by British imperialists in the 1920s out of three distinct and rival factions, the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds. But during the cold war, America competed with the Soviets for Saddam’s attention and welcomed his war with the religious fanatics of Iran. Having cozied up to Saddam, Washington found it hard to break away—even after going to war with him in 1991. Through years of both tacit and overt support, the West helped create the Saddam of today, giving him time to build deadly arsenals and dominate his people. Successive administrations always worried that if Saddam fell, chaos would follow, rippling through the region and possibly igniting another Middle East war. At times it seemed that Washington was transfixed by Saddam.
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Yes, with our own interests in mind, we helped saddam, and helped create the mess. That is the way it is.
Let the cleanup begin.
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The question was who put sadam in power, not did the US support the dipsh*(& in a war... Yes we supported them, in an effort (succesful BTW) to put down a bigger threat at the time. He (sadam) was never a puppet for the us, we gave them intel on the iranians and some supplies. We did the same for Afganistan, but we didn't install the taliban...
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W/o our help, he may have been overthrown long ago, but at the time, we needed him in power, and did what we could to help him stay in power.
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If he was overthrown years ago, we would have had no say in who took over his spot, it might have been some one worse (hard to imagine that, but still could have happened)
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
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"in" is short for "insipid" meaning that the poster has nothing to say, but is proud of thier ability to master 2 letter words, and want everyone to know it.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
W/o our help, he may have been overthrown long ago, but at the time, we needed him in power, and did what we could to help him stay in power.
Boy howdy, when we supported SH it was wrong, when we overthow him it is wrong.
Seems like no matter what we do it is wrong, so maybe we just aught to do what we want to do. Whatever it is it's wrong anyway, so we might as well get some cheap gasoline while we do it.
Just gotta ask the question, Sixpence, "What would Billy Ray do?" ;)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Let the cleanup begin.
Where ya been? You've obviously missed a lot of Headline News.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Just gotta ask the question, Sixpence, "What would Billy Ray do?" ;)
Dunno, but it would break my achy breaky heart.
Everytime he is mentioned I feel the anger of the guy in the bud light commercial. He is stranded on an island and bud light bottles wash ashore one after the other. He opens them in eagerness to suck down a nice cold budlight, only to find them empty with a note inside.
"Why, why do you torture me brian henderson of 12 maple lane!!!"
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Actually New Zealand like Australia has been involved in every conflict from the Bore War to Korea,Vietnam and evey other conflict since, including the so called war on terror and Afghanistan.
Rightly we refused to send ground forces to Iraq but have offered other support. And will send troops once UN resolution is in place to do so.
So before you make some idiot statement that the country is too chicken. Try and take a moment of your time to actually check that countries history otherwise you just look the fool.
Since this is the first conflict since the countries begining that we haven't been activally involved in with Australia and Great Britain.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by medicboy
Gixer, just because your ****-ry is too chicken to stand up to any thing doesn't give you the right to tell other's how to conduct their war on the evil people of this earth!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gixer
Actually New Zealand like Australia has been involved in every conflict from the Bore War to Korea,Vietnam and evey other conflict since, including the so called war on terror and Afghanistan.
Rightly we refused to send ground forces to Iraq but have offered other support. And will send troops once UN resolution is in place to do so.
So before you make some idiot statement that the country is too chicken. Try and take a moment of your time to actually check that countries history otherwise you just look the fool.
Since this is the first conflict since the countries begining that we haven't been activally involved in with Australia and Great Britain.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
There are no better friends (except on the rugby field/cricket pitch) than Australians and New Zealanders. Infact I think it's being siblings that make our fights so bloody, and our stands together so undivided.
Perhaps its having bleed on the same ground together all these years...
All I know is that I wish we had same the courage the Kiwi's had not to fight, not to sell out for a free trade agreement.
The thing about friendship I thought was you appreciate when a friend tells you when your doing something wrong. And you never hold that against them.
A real friend wouldn't need to threaten or conjole you into thinking what they think.
Tronsky
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Australia has been a good friend to the US. The Kiwis were, but I've had to turn my back on them since they stole the America's Cup. I suppose I can start being nice now that they've finally lost it.
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Sixpence MASTER of the cut -n-paste