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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 25, 2003, 08:34:09 AM
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Anyone had any luck with Taurus? I fired Pucks 9mm at the gun range and really enjoyed it. I've never owned a 9mm, and am considering this Taurus just for plinking with the kids when they get older:
(http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_911BGR.jpg)
I'm primarily concerned of number of rounds fired vs. jams, if any.
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Dude, that gun is soooo pimp. It will look good with your fur coat, gold teeth and fuzzy dice dangling from your beemer's rear view mirror.
Nothing says, "***** better have my money!" quite like a gold-trimmed nine.
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Buy a SnoopDeville to shoot it out of!
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I tried out a friends many years ago (at least 10), it was a baretta clone.
we must have ran 500 rds through it without a jam. maybe 100 of those where hot reloads I'd brought along for my S&W, semi-spire rounds, it had no problem with those either.
all in all it was a good gun hard to tell the difference from the 92f I'd owned a few years before then. the only drawback, it was a heavy SOB, but then so is the baretta.
I've also fired the taurus .357 (S&W clone), not a bad gun either.
both guns where very well made and, other than the markings, hard to tell they where knock-offs.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a taurus, good quality control, both guns(and a few others I've looked at but not fired) seemed very tight and built to last.
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Go with a ruger.
I have a P95 and it is great, never jams, accurate and the best part.
I paid 345 bucks(new) for it. That's prolly less then half that overrated Italian pile of junk will cost you!
(http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/83L.gif)
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I agree with the Ruger. I have an older p-89 in 9mm, with the 15 shot clip. They are a little big for concealed carry but I have big hands, so it fits well and shoots great. Paid $289 fro mine 10 years ago, has never failed or jammed.
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Make sure you're able to try the gun out before buying (rental, friend's, etc.).
If it isn't comfortable for YOU to shoot, you'd probably regret the decision of buying it.
Go with what you like.
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SaburoS,
absolutly right,
I've talked to many who love the ruger autos. but I really don't care for them at all. many of the releases are difficult to reach without changing your grip on the gun, slowing down the time between clip empty and ready to fire. but many I know seem to find it ok.
I'd check with other for things like reliability and go with whatever gun feels best in my hand.
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Good points there. Every one holds a pistol just a little differently and thus some styles just don't work well. I have shot many different styles, only found a few I liked. In fact I dumped a Sig Saur 9mm (considered by many as the best in the world) because I couldn't stand the way it felt in my hand. Also didn't like the Browning Hi Power 9mm, or the various 1911 style 45acp's. I did like the glock in .357 sig (not sure what model, maybe 27?) and loved the Ruger p89 in 9mm and the HK USP in 45acp, both very nice guns.
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personaly i would never own a 9mm. too light a round. the only good thing about 9mm luger is you can get cheap surplus military ammo. in my opinion the best pistol round in the world is the .41 mag. my brother has a snub nosed(2 inch barrel) .41 mag that is scarey accurate. he bought it from a cop that shot it in competitions. that guy went to the gun wholesaler with metering gauges and went through 30-40 of the same guns and that one was the pick of the litter. i covet that pistol. i told my bro that if if he died first i want that gun and the WW1 12ga. trench gun that he has. he covets my .54 cal custom made full stock hawken, a very good looking gun. he gets that if i die first. not a fancymans gun. the stock is curly maple, like those expensive guitars. spingfield armory used to make a good pistol that had a barrel change from 9mm to .40s&w i havent seen it for awile but that would be a good choice. when i was in the army i rotated from germany to ft. bliss and got issued the barreta 9mm. after my inital tests it was found to be a POS. best used as something thrown at an enemy. the army upgraded from m1911 .45 to this PLEASE. it was so new that the army did even have holsters that fit it, i loosened the straps on my tankers boots for a holster, it seemed putting in my pockets or under my belt was too GANGSTA to me. so dont buy a 9mm, ill save my my opinions about ruger guns for anouther post(more crap).
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Anyone had any luck with Taurus? I fired Pucks 9mm at the gun range and really enjoyed it. I've never owned a 9mm, and am considering this Taurus just for plinking with the kids when they get older:
(http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_911BGR.jpg)
I'm primarily concerned of number of rounds fired vs. jams, if any.
Instead of having it blued, do you think that you can have it purpled? Then it would be just right!
eskimo
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Bigsky, ruger makes good pistols, I agree, their rifles are crap.
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I prefer the Glock in 9mm and 40SW. Any pistoil is a personal choice. If it shoots well for you, you enjoy it and can afford it then go with what you like. Being a brand snob is senseless. Almost all major brand perform well with the right loads.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Go with a ruger.
I have a P95 and it is great, never jams, accurate and the best part.
I paid 345 bucks(new) for it. That's prolly less then half that overrated Italian pile of junk will cost you!
Unless I'm mistaken Tarus is a Spanish piece of junk available at your local pawn shop for under $300. Go with the Ruger.
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I would avoid Taurus and Ruger. You get what you pay for with these guns, and while they perform ok, they look like **** :) But if money is an issue, they are inexpensive.
For $500-700, you can get into Glocks, Berettas and HKs. The smoothest 9mm I've ever shot is the Browning HiPower, it is just an absolutely sweet handgun. I've got an HK 9mm USPC that I just love, got the tactical light with it, I look like one mean mamajama when I go Navy-sealing through the house on my pretent sweeps hehe.
Nim
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Taurus is from Brazil. They apparently bought a baretta factory in Brazil and this is how they are making copies og the baretta 92 series guns...
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Originally posted by rpm371
Unless I'm mistaken Tarus is a Spanish piece of junk available at your local pawn shop for under $300. Go with the Ruger.
RPM, you must be thinking of a different manufacturer than Taurus. Taurus arms are built in Brazil with a lot of the tooling they purchased from Baretta. They save money during manufacture by using less expensive labor. While some of the earlier Taurus model 92 knockoffs were rough in fit and finish, the quality is much better now.
That said, if I were to purchase a 9mm again, I would go back to Baretta whose reliability and quality is outstanding. If cost is the issue, Taurus makes a fine firearm these days.
MiG
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I really like the Beretta 92 series, when I decide to finally buy my own gun it will be a 92FS Inox...
Beautiful and i really love how they fit in my hand perfectly, just feels so natural and balanced... :D
(http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/92FS_Inox_S_maxi.jpg)
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I liked the Taurus (Beretta clone) just fine. Can never recall a jam or really any problems at all. However, I am more of an amateur.
BTW- you actually thinking of getting that pimped out one in the pic? :aok
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Taurus is from Brazil. They apparently bought a baretta factory in Brazil and this is how they are making copies og the baretta 92 series guns...
you got the story right.
back in the 80's baretta was going to suply 92f's for brizilian military, after the tooling and everything was shipped over the deal fell through, taurus bought it up and started making guns.
they make baretta clones on baretta tooling, it's virtually the same gun. I've owned the baretta I fired quite a few rounds through the taurus and they are the same gun as far as I could tell.
so if you like the big heavy baretta, you could get a set of taurus's for the same money.
in guns it's always best to go with the name brand, but as far as taurus is conserned, it's now 20 years later and they are a name brand.
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But since it will be my first gun I want it to say Beretta on it and not Taurus, implying a less valued knockoff.. :)
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Maybe they have or had another factory in Spain. I had a Taurus .45 several years ago and I swear it was made in Spain, but I could be wrong.:confused: Either way, it's not worth the money. Best trade I ever made was it and a laser sight for a Ruger P90-DC at a gun show.
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Thks for the feedback all. I have fired the Taurus and it does fit my hand great.
LOL Lance! :p
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Not a real 9mm fan but I would go with something that has conversion kits available...
CZ 75 or clone like EAA witness have about the same grip as the taurus/berretta but are easy to convert up and down... my witness is a .45 with a 22 conversion kit... I can buy a 9mm kit if I ever decide I want one. also some interesting calibers like 10mm or 357 sig.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thks for the feedback all. I have fired the Taurus and it does fit my hand great.
LOL Lance! :p
What I head is Brazil just sort of kept the factory (nationalized it). I had one of the original IMI Desert Eagles in .357 and it was too bloody big for my hand. Got rid of it and picked up the Taurus PT99AF. In ten years it hasn't jammed once, and I've done more than a little rapid fire with it.
If I want to drive nails with a handgun I have a 20 year old S&W 686 with a six inch barrel. That beast is scary accurate.
Should I get the urge to make people laugh I have a pair of 32-20s. One S&W, one Colt Army 1921.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Anyone had any luck with Taurus? I fired Pucks 9mm at the gun range and really enjoyed it. I've never owned a 9mm, and am considering this Taurus just for plinking with the kids when they get older:
(http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_911BGR.jpg)
I'm primarily concerned of number of rounds fired vs. jams, if any.
UGLY !
Does it glow and blink at night ?
btw I'm a biased sig-sauer former owner :)
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Glocks, Brownings, Sigs and Barretta's are all nice guns.
But, if I was going to buy a 9mm?
The CZ 75 (http://www.cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=29)
(http://www.cz-usa.com/product.img/29.jpg)
All steel construction (except alloy framed compacts)
High capacity double column magazines
Hammer forged barrels
Ergonomic grip and controls
Unparallel accuracy
Slide-in-frame design for better recoil control
3 dot sighting system (Tritium night sights available)
Easy operation of controls
Smooth double action and crisp single action
Extended service life due to advanced design and superior materials
Firing pin block safety
They tend to run more than some of the others, but I believe they are the best double-action 9mm handgun out there. And I've shot almost all of them.
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Get a .45, why screw around with one of them sissy boy 9mm?
Want to plink? Buy a .22 rifle, maybe a 10/22. Even a .22 pistol, Browning Buckmark is a good one, I have the Bullseye model.
Not a good shot? Get a Desert Eagle .44 magnum, even if you can't hit anything, you will scare the shxt out of everything. Man that is a fun gun.
Avoid the .357, it's more for a guy who is trying to compensate for a tiny unit. Not a great round for much at all IMO.
Lance had it right about that Taurus, looks like a pimp model ghetto blaster. Too short barreled to be accurate, and who want's to be laughed at when at the range?
If you have your heart set on the 9mm, maybe your wife wants a gun, the Sig Sauer are fine weapons.
But for my money, nothing beats the Colt .45, in just about any of the many variations Colt produces. Just an old fashioned, accurate, butt kicking classic.
dago
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the cz 75 is a nice gun. my dad bought one about 2 years ago, I'm a fan. I find the S&W more comfortable in the hand though, (it also meets all the features you listed for the cz).
the only thing I'd disagree with is 'Unparallel accuracy'. the most acurate 9mm I've ever fired is the browning hi-power, even more acurate than my S&W which I find more acurate than my dads CZ.
I've fired just about all of them over the years, with the exception of the sigs, I just cant seem to justify spending the cash and most of the guys I shoot with feel the same(which is where I get the guns to try that I don't own). their reputation is great but when you can buy 2 or 3 high quality pistols for the price of one sig the math just don't work out.
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im not big on guns but even if i was and i was gay i wouldnt be caught dead with that thing.
That thing has nullo written all over it.
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(http://funny.novanix.com/pages/handsomehunkes1.jpg)
Icy Hot Stuntaz fully endorse this gun choice.
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Rip Please if you get this gun you will also have to have a Pink Caddy to drive around all You'r ho's:aok
When it comes to ACP one word KIMBER!!
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Can you get that gun without the gold plated stuff?
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dune... the cz and clones don't have a barrel bushing so that can be a problem. I actually used my wire feed to weld a bead into the muzzle area of the slide and hand filed it to fit. They are not as accurate as revolvers in any case.
dago... 357 is about the second best all around round next to the 44 mag. With the cz and witness you can change calibers in literally seconds.... you can go from 22 to 45 in about 15 seconds. I know... I have that setup..
lazs
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think she meant 9 inches not millimeters :)
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Lazs, I'm interested in what problem you ran into that you felt the need to create a bushing for your CZ. My dad and I have both fired lots of rounds through his without a hiccup. And I found the accuracy to be very good.
And, being a .45 Auto fan, would argue that it is a better all-around cartridge than the .44Mag. Less recoil and its smaller package make it much more adaptable to semi-auto's than the .44Mag. While it doesn't have the pure stopping power the .44 does, it lends itself to smaller frame auto's much better. It wont hunt like the .44, but there are other cartridges that outdo the .44, such as the .454 Casull. Or any number of cartridges you can put in a Thompson Contender. The .45 is the limit of what most people can use effectively in rapid fire situations. It's not easy to double-tap a .44 ;)
But that's my opinion.
:)
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Ah, come on Laz, the revolver is a dinosaur. I am not a competitive shooter, other than a couple annual bowling pin shoots, but it sure seems that all shooters I see shooting in competition, either in person, magazines or on TV are all shooting autos. Cant remember too many, or any actually, revolvers.
What is the best caliber? That issue is and always will be purely subjective in nature. A lot of differant studies have been done, certainly showing differant results. The 357 comes out okay, but not the best, but hey, if you like it, you like it.
Dune had some good stuff to say, I am a fan of the .45, enjoy shooting the .44 mag for the noise, compression and just plain fun, but it is too much a monster for most people and situations. Only way I like shooting it is with a good auto like Desert Eagle.
The 9mm became popular I think because of the high capacity handguns it became available in. Not a particularly great round, but if you were a bad shot, you could at least spray a while. My choice was practice to control, you know, kind of a quality versus quantity thing. Right now my 45 needs a new barrel, bushing and slide tightening because of all the rounds I have run through it. (estimate somewhere between 2500 and 3000 rounds).
Regardless, I wonder if this whole thread was a big troll so we could make fun of that ghetto gat? :rofl
dago
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(http://www.hunt101.com/img/067036.jpg)
50 A.E. Desert Eagle Pistol, Mark XIX, 6-inch barrel Titanium Gold DE50TG $1,699.00
Custom-Finishes available for Desert Eagle Pistols
A custom finish adds a layer of distinction to the sheer power of the Desert Eagle. Standard finish is black oxide. Custom finishes, include 24K gold.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/old/customshop.html
I get visions of Isaac Hayes as "The Duke of New York" from Escape from New York.
:D
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What is the best caliber? That issue is and always will be purely subjective in nature.
yep, everyone has there favorite. I like the 9mm for auto's, light accurate fairly good sized round traveling fairly fast.
revolvers the way to go for acuracy, but then everybody's got a favorite caliber for that too, put me down for the .41 for a good alaround revolver.
the .45LC is a great load too, and if you get it in a nice blackhawk you can push the pressure up to the .44 mag range which can give the .45LC hand-loads more power than your .44 factorys. I've loaded up a few that hot and was amazed at results. I don't do it that often though, as the standard .45LC load is such a sweet load as far as recoil and acuracy. I had a rugar vaquero (sp?) a few years back that was probably the most comfortable shooting revolver I've ever owned. you could keep a can airborn through all six rounds on single action.
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Shot a .41 one time, seemed to be a good round. 45LC is very good also, but I like a pistol more than a wheel gun. Personal choice I guess. Makes me feel like Sonny Crockett. :D Just kidding.
Really, the most fun is still a .22, with a pistol or rifle. Fun to plink, costs are low as heck, next to no recoil or noise and makes them old pop cans bounce.
dago
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Fired a friends S&W 40 yesterday at the gun range. MAN thats a nice piece. Spendy though :(
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dune... the witness I welded shot 5 inch groups... there was no barrel bushing to replace... several gunsmiths told me the accepted method was to get a new slide or "peen" the end of the slide and hone it back out... I just like to add metal rather than move it around. My son gave me his witness because he figured I could fix it after the other ones slide issue.
as for 45 vs 44... no comparrison. half the energy in a 45 less selection in bullet weights and styles.... the 45 is suited for short range work... 25 maybe 50 yards... the 44 is a plinkers dream.... 20-500 yards and you don't have to pick up the brass afterwards. double taps are overrated IMO... pretty much in real life too. I like the 45 but it is no match for a revolver in the field. for defense and nightstand duty and carry... it is a good round. The 44 is the best compromise in power and weight that I can think of. 454 just goes a little over the top for me... my cut down 44 and dan wesson with 4" barrel are both very good handling guns and for my big hands they are much more usable than most if not all autoloaders. I would love to go out shooting in the dessert with you and show you why the 44 is king and why the 45 is not really a serious field gun.
dago.... I am a dinosour but.... let's not write off the revolver just yet... Marshalls study... the only comprehensive one out there.... puts the king of all one shot stoppers to be..... the 357 revolver with 125 grain Hp's... probly the 44 with hydroshoks will surpass it but that study was done before any were used in real life.
Many competitive pin shooters are using revolvers... 8 shot 357's with full moon clips... they reload faster than autos and are more accurate... they win over autos every time... did you know that the fastest gun from holster to bullet on target is still...... the single action revolver.
they are dinosours but what they did thenm they still can do today.... they can do it even better... besides... ever try to pistol whip someone with a plastic gun?
lazs
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rip.. the .40 is infinitly better than the 9mm. The .40 is probly, realisticly, the king right now... the ol 45 has so many fans tho that they are constantly developing new loads for it to keep it up there near the top... it will probly never die but the .40 is more versitile... higher velocity gives you more choice... just that simple.
The witness (cz clone) is cheap... all steel and about 400 buck in the caliber of your choice... you can buy conversion kits for it for any caliber you may latter want including 9, 40, 45 .357 sig, 10mm and 22. The rubber grips are terrible but the wood grips give the gun an extremely nice grip angle and feel... the gun is double or single action and simple as a rock to fields strip and clean or convert calibers. Sorry.... doesn't come in a pimp version.
damn... think I will break out the ol witness.... remove the 22 conversion and slide on the compensated 45 slide and barel group.... pop in a 45 magazine and go see how it shoots compared to the Kimber 45 I shot yesterday.
lazs
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Lazs, my dad has a 629 Smith in .44 and a 25 Smith in .45 Long Colt (actually, you and he would probably get along quite well. He's a fan of big wheel guns also). I've shot them both many times.
I guess I'm just a blind fan of Colt's 1911 Gov't Model. Although I do agree that if I was handgun hunting, I would use a revolver rather than an automatic. Or my Thompson Contender in .22-250 Rem.
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
rip.. the .40 is infinitly better than the 9mm. The .40 is probly, realisticly, the king right now... the ol 45 has so many fans tho that they are constantly developing new loads for it to keep it up there near the top... it will probly never die but the .40 is more versitile... higher velocity gives you more choice... just that simple.
The witness (cz clone) is cheap... all steel and about 400 buck in the caliber of your choice... you can buy conversion kits for it for any caliber you may latter want including 9, 40, 45 .357 sig, 10mm and 22. The rubber grips are terrible but the wood grips give the gun an extremely nice grip angle and feel... the gun is double or single action and simple as a rock to fields strip and clean or convert calibers. Sorry.... doesn't come in a pimp version.
damn... think I will break out the ol witness.... remove the 22 conversion and slide on the compensated 45 slide and barel group.... pop in a 45 magazine and go see how it shoots compared to the Kimber 45 I shot yesterday.
lazs
Thanks Lazs. Still shopping, maybe I'll make a choice by christmas (I hope!)
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dune... I really like that Kimber 45 eclipse.... the thing shoots like a house n fire. It shoots allmost exactly the same size groups as my custom 4" ruger redhawk 44 mag at 25 yards but..... The 44 is still usable for killing 5 gallon pails on out there 100-200 yards away whereas the the sights on the Kimber are useless at that range.
I reload... the 44 is dead simple to reload for and the brass is the toughest I have ever seen (lifespan wise). With 250-300 grain cast lead bullets the thing will really reach out there. I stopped a wild boar with a 250 keith from a 44 mag with one shot that had been hit at least one other time with ought six rounds. I have a lot of faith in the ol 44 and to me... the round is easy to handle and the guns are the right size.
oh.... just shot the witness an hour ago. It doesn't seem near as accurate as the Kimber... at least with the load I was shooting... oddly.... the witness was doing really well with some 1942 war surplus ammo I had tho.
thing about revolvers is... each chamber is independent... If one has a problem the other 5-7 are a trigger pull away.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Fired a friends S&W 40 yesterday at the gun range. MAN thats a nice piece. Spendy though :(
Which one did you fire? Been considering buying a SW99, probably in .40 cal, as my first handgun.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I really like the Beretta 92 series, when I decide to finally buy my own gun it will be a 92FS Inox...
Beautiful and i really love how they fit in my hand perfectly, just feels so natural and balanced... :D
(http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/92FS_Inox_S_maxi.jpg)
:eek: That is the most beautiful sidearm i have ever seen.
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Originally posted by loser
:eek: That is the most beautiful sidearm i have ever seen.
Dont like the Berretta 92 series. Shot it before and immediately found a disliking to it. I shot a SW and the Berretta that day and like the SW much better. Still my personal choice would be a Sig or a Glock but the sigs are sorta expensive. Or even an M1911.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Which one did you fire? Been considering buying a SW99, probably in .40 cal, as my first handgun.
4040PD I believe (He's State Patrol) Small, but nice grip.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Not a real 9mm fan but I would go with something that has conversion kits available...
CZ 75 or clone like EAA witness have about the same grip as the taurus/berretta but are easy to convert up and down... my witness is a .45 with a 22 conversion kit... I can buy a 9mm kit if I ever decide I want one. also some interesting calibers like 10mm or 357 sig.
lazs
OH, my GAWD!!! Here I am, finding myself in agreement with (gasp) lazs2.
I absolutely LOVE my witness, and have a 9X21 "open" top end for it, a 9mmX19 top end, and a .40 S&W top end. Accurate, reliable, and dirt cheap. Absolutely the best grip in the industry--for me, anyway. Every time I pick it up, I smile. It just feels right.
If you have big hands, stay away from the Hi-power. Mine eats the web of my hand between the thumb and the index finger. Beretta 92s are great, but have BIG grips--not a problem for me, but some small-handed people hate them.
shubie
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Rip if your are looking at a handgun just for fun why not get a revolver.
Especially since you mentioned your kids using it for "plinking"
Get a 38 special (.357 short.) It is easy to clean, easy to fire and not too much recoil.
I think an auto is too much for a youngster. They get pinched once and they will shy away.
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Originally posted by Furious
(http://funny.novanix.com/pages/handsomehunkes1.jpg)
Icy Hot Stuntaz fully endorse this gun choice.
I can't believe this went overlooked. Who in god's name are these doophi?
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Unless you live in the People's Republic of California, you can buy high capacity mags for your new toy--under certain restrictions as to origin.
Beretta 92 hi-cap mag $25 and available
hi-power hi cap mag $20-40 and available
witness hi cap mag $50, usually available
S&W, ruger, sig, etc. mags are much more pricey.
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Originally posted by loser
Rip if your are looking at a handgun just for fun why not get a revolver.
Especially since you mentioned your kids using it for "plinking"
Get a 38 special (.357 short.) It is easy to clean, easy to fire and not too much recoil.
I think an auto is too much for a youngster. They get pinched once and they will shy away.
Not for the kids, for me. I just loved the feel of the Taurus 9mm I used at my brother-in-laws house, and then again with Pucks Taurus. Not a big-ass kick, heavy enough (34 oz.) but now again, like a woman changing her mind...I'm like the .40 cals too. Slightly bigger punch, same accuracy. This would be a range pistol and a home defense pistol therefore I began shying away from the 9mm. (I'll get rid of the SW. 357 mag revolver I have)
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Get a Beretta 96FS (.40) then, its the real thing and it will go well with your BMW and your plush garage carpet... :)
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hubert... you agree with me on everything.... u just don't know it yet.
Did you keep the funky witness rubber grips? if you have then you need to look into the wood grips... very thin.. nice fine checkering they really add to the feel. I just shot 100 or so 22 rounds out of the gun about an hour ago and it was really fun... used tiles and just made smaller and smaller pieces out of em. The conversion was 220 bucks with target sights.
lazs
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LMAO
Now only if I could get that gun as a replica to go with this year pimp suit.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by Lance
Dude, that gun is soooo pimp. It will look good with your fur coat, gold teeth and fuzzy dice dangling from your beemer's rear view mirror.
Nothing says, "***** better have my money!" quite like a gold-trimmed nine.
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Not much challenge wearing a pimp suit in NZ gixer.... How bout you wear it here in the states and we drop you off in East Oakland Ca.? Don't worry... we will give you scia's cell phone for protection.
lazs
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East Oakland? Try living on South Normandie Avenue in Downtown LA. Never before have a seen a place where police chopper spotlights through the bedroom window at 2 in the morning fail to wake up the residents.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Not for the kids, for me. I just loved the feel of the Taurus 9mm I used at my brother-in-laws house, and then again with Pucks Taurus. Not a big-ass kick, heavy enough (34 oz.) but now again, like a woman changing her mind...I'm like the .40 cals too. Slightly bigger punch, same accuracy. This would be a range pistol and a home defense pistol therefore I began shying away from the 9mm. (I'll get rid of the SW. 357 mag revolver I have)
I picked up a Para-Ord 14/45 Ltd for the same purpose. Quite accurate and you can shoot cheap .45 ammo well for fun, strong options for defense and competition too. Add in 14 +1 capacity with a .45 and you have a pretty fine all around gun. I added a Lazermax to mine as well. Anyone else have experience with Para? They have won a bunch of awards/recommendations from what I have seen.
Editing in the website http://www.paraord.com/pages/index.html
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I picked up a Para-Ord 14/45 Ltd for the same purpose. Quite accurate and you can shoot cheap .45 ammo well for fun, strong options for defense and competition too. Add in 14 +1 capacity with a .45 and you have a pretty fine all around gun. I added a Lazermax to mine as well. Anyone else have experience with Para? They have won a bunch of awards/recommendations from what I have seen.
I'll look em up, thanks!
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SCIA, who's that? The pimp suit is for fun and goes well with what the girls wear when we go clubbing to the different parties.
Do all your posts have to be some sort of macho display of arrogance?
...-Gixer
Originally posted by lazs2
Not much challenge wearing a pimp suit in NZ gixer.... How bout you wear it here in the states and we drop you off in East Oakland Ca.? Don't worry... we will give you scia's cell phone for protection.
lazs
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scia is a fellow gun nut... like you he is nuts about guns... fears em. doesn't trust his fellow man with one or himself. he feels a cell phone is all the protection a real man needs.
but really gixer... this is a thread with a bunch of men talking about firearms.... nothing for you here.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
scia is a fellow gun nut... like you he is nuts about guns... fears em. doesn't trust his fellow man with one or himself. he feels a cell phone is all the protection a real man needs.
but really gixer... this is a thread with a bunch of men talking about firearms.... nothing for you here.
lazs
*chuckles*
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This is what ya really want Rip.
And I didn't read the entire thread so bear with me...
Florida-based Corner Shot Holdings, is being tested by the Israeli military and has already been bought by a number of special forces around the world.
A spokesman for the Israeli branch of the company refused to comment on the report.
Pictures of the weapon show a gun composed of two parts -- the front, that can swivel from side to side, containing a pistol with a color camera mounted on top, and the back section which consists of the stock, trigger and a monitor.
The unique weapon allows the soldier to remain behind cover, with only the barrel of the rifle exposed in the direction of the hostile fire, even at a sharp angle. (http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/ptech/10/29/laser.cannon.ap/story.cornershot.ap.jpg)
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reminds me of the lower tech version (don't know if it ever saw combat.) but I used to have a small arms book with a picture of a 'grease-gun' mod with a barel that had a 90deg radius in it.
IIRC, it was to designed to allow the shooter to point it upwards and clear an unwanted rider off a tank without exposing the shooter. I also had some old picks of a riffle with a riffle with a long barrel bent and a mirror set up to shoot around corrners in urban warfare
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Fear of Guns? LOL
Sorry but I use to hunt alot and belong to the NZDRA (New Zealand Deer Rifile Association). Stopped hunting when I started flying and gained alot of hours flying hunters in and out of the bush.
I've also spent time in the military where I was expected to shoot and have people shoot back for a living.
Hardly the passtimes for someone who has a fear of guns.
True this is about men talking about guns. Though unfortunetly with almost every thread on guns there are a couple of very immature and boyish opinions regarding guns and gun laws that constantly surface.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by lazs2
scia is a fellow gun nut... like you he is nuts about guns... fears em. doesn't trust his fellow man with one or himself. he feels a cell phone is all the protection a real man needs.
but really gixer... this is a thread with a bunch of men talking about firearms.... nothing for you here.
lazs
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Fear of Guns? LOL
Sorry but I use to hunt alot and belong to the NZDRA (New Zealand Deer Rifile Association). Stopped hunting when I started flying and gained alot of hours flying hunters in and out of the bush.
I've also spent time in the military where I was expected to shoot and have people shoot back for a living.
Hardly the passtimes for someone who has a fear of guns.
True this is about men talking about guns. Though unfortunetly with almost every thread on guns there are a couple of very immature and boyish opinions regarding guns and gun laws that constantly surface.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by lazs2
scia is a fellow gun nut... like you he is nuts about guns... fears em. doesn't trust his fellow man with one or himself. he feels a cell phone is all the protection a real man needs.
but really gixer... this is a thread with a bunch of men talking about firearms.... nothing for you here.
lazs
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
reminds me of the lower tech version (don't know if it ever saw combat.) but I used to have a small arms book with a picture of a 'grease-gun' mod with a barel that had a 90deg radius in it.
IIRC, it was to designed to allow the shooter to point it upwards and clear an unwanted rider off a tank without exposing the shooter. I also had some old picks of a riffle with a riffle with a long barrel bent and a mirror set up to shoot around corrners in urban warfare
I have that same small arms book, Capt. Apathy. The Germans also adapted an Machine Pistol for the same purpose and I do believe they tried using it on a very limited basis but found that the bullets left the barrel with little or no stability and that the barrel itself never lasted a long time.
Personally, I think the land-warrior system under developement for the US army is better than the Israeli option. The sight of the weapon is mated directly to the IR/Nighvision package worn by the soldier, and thus can also be manvouvered around corners and such without exposing the soldier to enemy fire. Yes, he would have to expose his hands, but the degree of movement would be greater and the sighting more intuitive. The next step would be to get of the tunnel vision effect inherent to all goggle-mounted sighting systems.
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In regards to the ghetto boys endorsing their weapon of choice..
You fellas got a pilots license to fly them birds... no pun intended...
Rip,
I'm with dago and others .45 is what you want... battle proven since 1911... (aquire target aim and drop em..) Charging opponents, please... 1-2 rounds they are on the ground... note thats when you hit them anywhere, arm leg, center mass is not needed with that weapon..
If your shooting for fun get a .22
If you want to do a lethal weapon role on the ground then shoot something then...... get the 9mm its highly accurate.. The military baretta ive used (military weapons are dogged out too..) were point and shoot... very easy weapon..
If you have to get 9mm then theres nothing wrong with taurus if the weapon does come from brazil they got one of the highest murder rates per capita in the world if thats any constellation....
my 2 cents...
DoctorYo
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Pictures of the weapon show a gun composed of two parts -- the front, that can swivel from side to side, containing a pistol with a color camera mounted on top, and the back section which consists of the stock, trigger and a monitor.
And you dont have to see the man you are shooting, djust an person on "TV", makes life much easier!!!
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gixer said... "True this is about men talking about guns. Though unfortunetly with almost every thread on guns there are a couple of very immature and boyish opinions regarding guns and gun laws that constantly surface"
That's what I said gix but you guys still can't seem to stay out of mens threads. I am sorry that you fear handguns so much that you don't trust yourself or your fellow man with one but that is not my fault. Just stay on your little island and probly everything will be fine.
lazs
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When you say "trust your fellow man" are you including all the crim's and those that shouldn't be able to hold as much as a drivers licence should be trusted too?
Yes It a little Island well done. Though I'm not going to reply likewise with derogatory statements about the US. As that arrogance is best left up to you.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~
Originally posted by lazs2
[BThat's what I said gix but you guys still can't seem to stay out of mens threads. I am sorry that you fear handguns so much that you don't trust yourself or your fellow man with one but that is not my fault. Just stay on your little island and probly everything will be fine.
lazs [/B]
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Yes... I am including the criminals... if they are good enough to be out on the street then they are good enough to vote and own a gun. Or else... maybe you shouldn't have let em out in the first place eh? I do not feel that the mentally incompetent should have firearms or power tools or drivers licences.
your "little island" refers to the fact that you have no where near the complex political, cultural and international problems/interactions that we do. What works for you is fine.... for you. Stay there and be happy.
lazs
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Taurus = crap.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Taurus = crap.
I think you're thinking of Taurus of old...today many Police officers carry them. Here's what a good friend from another board who happens to be a professional Firearms instructor says about them:
I am a certified firearms instructor. I would say the entire Taurus line has come a long way in the past few years. They weren't always that well made so be careful of buying an older used model. Like everything I guess everyone has their preference, mine is Berretta. Without seeing your hands though I wouldn't recommend anything, you should always fit the fun to the shooter. I own several Glocks as well, I don't like them but its what a lot of people need to use to qualify so I keep them around. I never got used to the Glock trigger, give it a shot, if you like it they are incredibly reliable and very easy to clean and maintain. There are a lot of great SIG, Colt, and S&W semi autos available in 9MM right now, you cant go wrong with any of them. Stay away from Intertec, Lorcin, Norinco and any Russian/Bulgarian unless you are capable of doing the rework needed to bring it up to the standards a new US gun would have out of the box.
As a side note most jamming is due to poorly made magazines or ammo choices also possibly incomplete gun manufacturing that can for the most part be easily resolved. I have picked up more than a few extremely lightly used firearms at a huge discount when the owner returned them for problems. A a good gunsmith can usually resolve any jamming issue so don't let that sway you. A properly made firearm with good factory ammo and magazine should never jam. If it does find out why ASAP.
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Im an NRA certified instructor too and I still wont buy one. :D
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(http://www.raf303.org/funked/BUBB.jpg)
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OMG there is a website about him now? That interview was the best thing ever happend to him and lil'sis...
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WOOOOOOOO!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Any good pimp always keeps his slappin hand wrapped.
MiniD
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What do you need a gun for? Try some rum and a sandwhich (http://www.itechnology.co.za/index.php?click_id=29&art_id=vn20031031054713476C439677&set_id=1)
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Quiet you! Curval, not all of us are as handy with a bottle of Rum as you Bermudian descendants of pirate criminals...
(yes I know the story is florida :) )
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lol:aok
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Go with the RUGER P95, you won't be sorry. I have fired over 500 rounds in mine without a misfire or jam. In 9mm or 40 S&W for home defense. It is light in weight, light recoil, and fits the hand well.
The Colt, S&W, Baretta, Glock you just pay extra for the name.
The CZ & Taurus are just plan pieces of junk. Might work against an intruder if you threw it at them.
I have been told by many State Police Officers and other Law Enforcement Personel that a pistol is ok for home defense but the Remington 870 Shotgun with 00 Buckshot is the absolute best.
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Ewwww WHY A 9mm! What a disgusting caliber. hehe
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Speaking of Cell phones and guns, you could always get one of these.
http://home.att.net/~lai.r/phonegun.htm
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Rip, don't buy a 9mm until you try out a Browning HiPower (comes in .40 flavor also). It is the sweetest shooting pistol I've shot or owned. I've put around 3k down the barrel on mine and the only malfunctions were from bad ammo (2 squib loads due to low powder).
If you want reliable self-defense then go for a glock in .40 or .45 cal. I never liked glock until I had to carry one as a duty weapon. I own a .45 that I carry on duty and I also have a department issue .40 that I carry sometimes. I have put around 8k down the .45 with absolutely no malfunctions and around 4k down the .40 with the same result. Glock is the most reliable out-of-the-box gun out there and will feed any type of ammo you put into it.
Glocks take some getting used to if you haven't shot them before. But if your going to bet your life on a gun then you want one that is going to shoot everytime you pull the trigger, and that's glock or a good revolver.
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Finally made my decision and bought this today, for $440 with shipping and tax. (MSRP $655) The sweet part is I'll purchase a conversion kit for firing .22 rounds for the gun range, and the kids will be able to enjoy it once they get old enough.
PT100 .40 S&W PISTOL WITH NIGHT SIGHTS
(http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_100B5-NS.jpg)
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Originally posted by Dune
Glocks, Brownings, Sigs and Barretta's are all nice guns.
But, if I was going to buy a 9mm?
The CZ 75 (http://www.cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=29)
(http://www.cz-usa.com/product.img/29.jpg)
They tend to run more than some of the others, but I believe they are the best double-action 9mm handgun out there. And I've shot almost all of them.
Had a C75 as a personal weapon for 4 years military service - v.good, I'd make the same choice again. Course I never actually used the damn thing except to shoot cans in that time but what the hell...
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Ewwww WHY A 9mm! What a disgusting caliber. hehe
If it's been good enough for the SAS for 60 years......