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Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Saltty on October 25, 2003, 10:04:08 AM

Since I have 5 thumbs on each hand when it comes to anything with a computer my question is the following.
The wife and I want a new system and I would like a big monitor but space is a problem and momma is on a " flat panel" jag.
would a good LCD monitor work for gaming?
If so suggestions?

Saltty

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: BB Gun on October 25, 2003, 11:20:14 AM

Just make sure the "response time" is low.  Sub-25 ms.  That's total response time.  NEC makes a 16 ms response time 17" LCD monitor.  Don't remember the model number ATM.  An associate at the office here just bought one.  I'll ask him Monday.

Make sure when you're reading/asking about response times, that the answers you get are TOTAL response time (rise AND fall) and not just 1/2 of the equation.

"Response time" is the time it takes an individual pixel to charge up, get bright and then discharge, and go dark.  To prevent "ghosting" of a fast moving image, you want the response times LOW - especially the "fall" time.

BB

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: whels on October 25, 2003, 12:12:01 PM

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Originally posted by BB Gun
Just make sure the "response time" is low.  Sub-25 ms.  That's total response time.  NEC makes a 16 ms response time 17" LCD monitor.  Don't remember the model number ATM.  An associate at the office here just bought one.  I'll ask him Monday.

Make sure when you're reading/asking about response times, that the answers you get are TOTAL response time (rise AND fall) and not just 1/2 of the equation.

"Response time" is the time it takes an individual pixel to charge up, get bright and then discharge, and go dark.  To prevent "ghosting" of a fast moving image, you want the response times LOW - especially the "fall" time.

BB

NEC 1760V   16ms
i have 1 of these, works great.

whels

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Saltty on October 25, 2003, 07:43:13 PM

Thanks guys...Mwave has them for $418 I just checked

I thinking I'll using them for our new system .... I hear good comments about them here.
We are going P4.2.8 ...512 ram ...still not sure what to do about a vid card...getting way!!! to many different answers!
Its a big bunch of money for a dumb truck driver like myself
:)

Saltty

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: BB Gun on October 25, 2003, 11:02:57 PM

Always always always set your price limit for the entire system FIRST.  Then build the best you can for that price.

Give us a budget, and what you think you are going to buy so far, and we'll see what we can do to trick you out.  :)

BB

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: zmeg on October 26, 2003, 12:11:12 AM

If you want a flat panal with good resilution and high enough refresh rate for gaming, be prepaired to spend about $1500. Test it befor you buy it.

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: BB Gun on October 26, 2003, 01:06:50 AM

My co-worker is very happy with the NEC mentioned above for gaming - he plays MS combat sim 3, MOHAA, Rally Sport Challenge, and Splinter Cell.  He sees no ghosting that he can detect, and clarity is terrific.  Native resolution is 1280x1024 which is plenty for most gaming purposes.  More resolution really requires a bigger monitor.

BB

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Saltty on October 26, 2003, 01:06:25 AM

$1500 is about my budget....we would like not to have to go into the visa and credit line.
My youngest son is a freshman in college this year , Dad is Having sticker shock.:(

Here is what I'm thinking on for a machine

INTEL EXTREME SYSTEMS
(MWAVE Z88-SLS; ABIT IS7; PENTIUM 4 2.8G; MWAVE 1GB (512MBX2); 40GB IDE HDD; 56X CDROM; ATI RADEON 9200 128MB; 1.44 FDD; LITE ON 52/32/52X CDRW; SB LIVE! 5.1; V.90 56K MODEM; PS2 MOUSE/KEYBOARD; XP HOME/OFFICE SB; 3-PC SPKR; ASSEMBLE)

Its $1073.65 + monitor

Saltty

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: zmeg on October 26, 2003, 01:29:00 AM

Is that radeon 9200 a typo? If not you might as well get a cheep flatscreen.

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: BB Gun on October 26, 2003, 08:28:24 PM

If all you're getting for a sound card is an SB live 5.1, skip it and use the onboard sound.  They're easy to add later if you think you need improvement.

Drop the processor to a 2.4C and then use the savings from those two chagnes to get REAL RAM - a pair of these: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SpecB/BA19336.html  or this twinpack: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SpecB/BA19543.html or this twinpack http://www.mwave.com/mwave/doc2/A08636.html or this twinpack http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SpecB/BA08647.html

Ditch the radeon9200.  You'll be throttling the system with it.  Up it to the 9600Pro http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SpecA/AA21950.html or if you can stretch it, the 9700 Pro http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SPECA/AA18510.html

BB

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: maddog on October 27, 2003, 10:05:51 AM

I hope someday you can drive a smart truck..........

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Animal on October 27, 2003, 11:37:59 AM

Remember that a flat panel must run at a native resolution. It is able to scale to other resolutions, but it looks horrible.

Make sure the native resolution is one which you will like, because you better.

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Nilsen on October 28, 2003, 07:05:46 AM

Very happy with my 25ms 19" Hansol LCD :)

Btw folks, those panels that have a 16ms res time, only actually have 20ms. I have read alot about this and its all in the way you measure the time.

The lowest you can go with real measuring now is 20ms so dont be fooled by 16.

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: HavocTM on October 31, 2003, 01:52:53 PM

I have a 19" Planar LCD I bought from Dell and it looks excellent with the Omega drivers and running at native 1280x1024 resolution.  I picked this one up for around $600 I think...

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Saltty on November 01, 2003, 02:15:30 AM

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Originally posted by maddog
I hope someday you can drive a smart truck..........

Sorry I'm NOT on your level of inteligence....If it wasn't for dumb bastards like me you would starve to death.

Title: Flatpanel monitor dilemma
Post by: Chairboy on November 16, 2003, 06:17:52 PM

I'm looking at the Samsung 213T, anyone know if it's any good?

http://www.lcd-monitor-reviews.com/lcd-monitorreviews/Samsung-213T-lcd-monitor-review.html

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009965D/qid=1069028220/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/103-8063598-2176630?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

The only thing I worry about is the response time.  Is 24ms fast enough?