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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: MajorDay on October 25, 2003, 10:42:08 PM
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The Plane lists for USAAF, USN, and USMC
Fighter:
F2A Buffalo
F4U-1A (Blown canopy, raised cockpit)
F4U-1B (Procured for British Royal Navy) Corsair I
F4U-1P (Photo reconnaissance)
F4U-2 (Night fighter, radar, autopilot)
F6F-3
F6F-5N (Night fighter)
P-35A (Old plane but fought after pearl harbor attack)
P-38F
P-38H
P-38M (Night Fighter)
P-39/P-400
P-40N
P-47C-2
P-47M
P-47N-RE
P-51A
P-51C
P-61B (Night Fighter)
P-63
SC-1 (Sea plane fighter?)
Bomber:
A-26C "Invader"
B-17F "Flying Fortress"
B-24D "Liberator"
B-24J "Liberator"
B-25B "Mitchell or Doolittle Raider"
B-25J "Mitchell"
B-29 "Superfortress" (NOTE Please no A-bomb)
C-46 "Commando" (Transport plane)
OS2U (Sea plane which look like SB2C)
PBJ "Mitchell" (USMC B-25 bomber)
PB4Y-1 "Liberator" (USN B-24 Bomber)
PBY-5A "Catalina" (Boat-plane)
SB2C-4 "Helldiver"
TBF-3 (Grumman Avenger)
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Nice list but instead of the P-38F, I think the G would be better since that was one of the most common model types deployed. I also think with the lack of plane mounted radar and the ability to crank the gamma up to turn night into day, pretty much renders the night fighters useless. Sure, you can still fly them in the day time but their roles would be limited and can be done better by other planes already existing in the plane set.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nice list but instead of the P-38F, I think the G would be better since that was one of the most common model types deployed. I also think with the lack of plane mounted radar and the ability to crank the gamma up to turn night into day, pretty much renders the night fighters useless. Sure, you can still fly them in the day time but their roles would be limited and can be done better by other planes already existing in the plane set.
ack-ack
But... but... the P-61 is... purdy. :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
But... but... the P-61 is... purdy. :)
In that case, add the F7F too:D.
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We have enough US and german planes
Add more
Soviet
Japanese
British
Italian
French
planes to AH before adding more and more
US and geman planes
Thanks !
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Planes enuff, let's start thinking of a better graphic engine
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Time for a P38 early war version it will be terror in the early war scenarios.
Its gonna be dweeb to ride em.
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Originally posted by frank3
Planes enuff, let's start thinking of a better graphic engine
Graphic engine enough (at this rate we'll eventually need a cryo-cooling system for the 100 tetrahertz of processor, ram and video each in the next 5 yrs ... not to mention doubling the electricity bill - lol), let's work on a better overall scenario terrain and plane-vehicle set. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Graphic engine enough (at this rate we'll eventually need a cryo-cooling system for the 100 tetrahertz of processor, ram and video each in the next 5 yrs ... not to mention doubling the electricity bill - lol), let's work on a better overall scenario terrain and plane-vehicle set. :D
I agree with this guy, we need all country planes military for Combat theater or scenario. :aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nice list but instead of the P-38F, I think the G would be better since that was one of the most common model types deployed. I also think with the lack of plane mounted radar and the ability to crank the gamma up to turn night into day, pretty much renders the night fighters useless. Sure, you can still fly them in the day time but their roles would be limited and can be done better by other planes already existing in the plane set.
ack-ack
That's not stopping people from using the IL2, F6F, 205, F4U-1, la5, Zero, Hurricane, 110 (though that's questionable.. not much better for killin towns) A20, Yak9T, 109 G2, F4, G6, Ta152 (:p), Mossie, and many, many others that are lesser performers than the 'best' jabo, and 'best' fighters.
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We have a newer B17-G with bigger load why u want a B17-F???
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Originally posted by spitfire708
We have a newer B17-G with bigger load why u want a B17-F???
B-17G is the last wartime production model, but B-17F flew thousand sorties in Europe.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nice list but instead of the P-38F, I think the G would be better since that was one of the most common model types deployed. I also think with the lack of plane mounted radar and the ability to crank the gamma up to turn night into day, pretty much renders the night fighters useless. Sure, you can still fly them in the day time but their roles would be limited and can be done better by other planes already existing in the plane set.
ack-ack
THe P-38F is more significant to have then the M or the G. THe F was the first in combat, and bore the brunt of the 38's fighting until the late J's arrived on scene. If you want another great aircraft that is being left out, how about the P-47D-5. THey also saw massive amounts of combat in the PTO and are largely neglected by their younger brothers.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
THe P-38F is more significant to have then the M or the G. THe F was the first in combat, and bore the brunt of the 38's fighting until the late J's arrived on scene. If you want another great aircraft that is being left out, how about the P-47D-5. THey also saw massive amounts of combat in the PTO and are largely neglected by their younger brothers.
Well, the P-38F saw combat in SWPA, Guadalcanal and in North Africa. However, by the spring of 1943, very few F models remained in front-line service. The survivors were used to train maintenance personnel or incoming pilots with little or no P-38 time. It was the P-38G that replaced the F model, followed by the P-38H in mid '43. P-38Js came along late in 1943, and most of them went straight to the 55th and 20th FGs in the ETO. Eventually, enough were in service that all theaters received an allocation, but the ETO had first priority.
Lockheed really didn't provide a first-class fighter until the P-38L arrived in mid 1944. By then, the 8th AF was committed to the P-51, so the 15th AF in Italy and the 5th AF in the SWPA received the bulk of P-38L production with a smaller percentage being deployed with the 9th Tactical AF out of Britain, and later on the continent itself. 8th AF units received less than 30 P-38Ls, and all were transferred to the 9th AF by September of '44.
Remember the P-38 raid that shot down Yamamoto? All fighters on that mission were P-38Gs.
I agree that the P-38F would be a great addition, especially for the Guadalcanal and North Africa set-ups in the CT.
My regards,
Widewing
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P-38Gs would be nice.
Third most produced P-38 variant + satisfactory time-line = something good.
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I agree with you guys that we need a better scenario, but some better interiors of the planes would be welcome too.
Like have you ever seen the B-17's ball turret or it's waist-gunners compartiment? it looks awfull! so does it's rear gunner comp.
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no sir!!!
it's TiME to introduce more
ITALY
RUSSIAN
JAPAN
Airplane
to increase Scenario's an CT setting......
.... and do not FORGET That New TOD is going to be played in a 2 country map Guys!!!!
:rolleyes:
and Why not speaking about
Finland ---> Brewster; fiat g50
Poland----->platz
France----->Morain
Australian--->Boomerang
....in history book they referred at it like second World's WAR
:rolleyes: :aok
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well the planes need to be famous and familiar with people tho...
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Cripes, what about the F8F? Awsome plane! Certinly deserve to be perked but what a ride.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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Originally posted by frank3
well the planes need to be famous and familiar with people tho...
What criteria would you use? Famous and familiar to you? Famous and familiar to someone who lives in Milan, Italy or Tokyo, Japan or even Helsinki, Finland? This is no basis for criteria IMO. I seriously doubt most (or even half) of the AH community was familiar with all of the planes modeled in AH before the signed on to play. I bet some discovered the fun of flying something they either had either no or a very casual knowledge of before they played.
I think part of the fun of a WWII based online air combat sim can be that of discovery and education. If we limit it to just the planes 100% of the potential customer base is familiar with then it's time to break out the axes and start cuttin' back. :D
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Originally posted by Gixer
Cripes, what about the F8F? Awsome plane! Certinly deserve to be perked but what a ride.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Heck, Grumman F8F-3 Bearcat never went in combat in WWII(I think but if someone know then prove it) and also F7F Tigercat didnt enter combat during WWII either.
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Originally posted by Arlo
What criteria would you use? Famous and familiar to you? Famous and familiar to someone who lives in Milan, Italy or Tokyo, Japan or even Helsinki, Finland? This is no basis for criteria IMO. I seriously doubt most (or even half) of the AH community was familiar with all of the planes modeled in AH before the signed on to play. I bet some discovered the fun of flying something they either had either no or a very casual knowledge of before they played.
I think part of the fun of a WWII based online air combat sim can be that of discovery and education. If we limit it to just the planes 100% of the potential customer base is familiar with then it's time to break out the axes and start cuttin' back. :D
Right on Arlo. I thought I knew WWII airplanes before I started playing AH, but the amount I've learned is amazing. And then guys like Batz start spouting info, and I realize that I still know just about nothing. :)
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wishlist is below...
thank you
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I like that list, just move the P-47M up to the top please:D
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P-39Q is one of the best options for a new plane. Widely used by the russians, it would best be done with a russian paint scheme. It also fills one of the few remaining gaps in the US planeset. It's fairly fast, a good low level performer, with a weapons loadout that would make a tiffy think twice about a HO. (Two or four .50mg's, and a 37mm cannon) A needed historical plane, with the added bonus of being quite competitive in the MA.
Can we drop the damn f7f, f8f, and p80 crap? If it didn't shoot something down in ww2, it doesnt belong in AH.
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Originally posted by Innominate
Can we drop the damn f7f, f8f, and p80 crap? If it didn't shoot something down in ww2, it doesnt belong in AH.
I know Lockheed P-80 and Grumman F7F-4 & F8F-3 dont enter service during WWII, but they didnt enter the combat and they all too-late. All of them did see the combat during Korean War and they were successfull i believe.
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Originally posted by MajorDay
All of them did see the combat during Korean War and they were successfull i believe.
But thats the point, they were successful in the KOREAN war, not WW2.
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Originally posted by Raptor01
But thats the point, they were successful in the KOREAN war, not WW2.
That what I said, Raptor01. All of them did excellent service.
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Originally posted by MajorDay
I know Lockheed P-80 and Grumman F7F-4 & F8F-3 dont enter service during WWII, but they didnt enter the combat and they all too-late. All of them did see the combat during Korean War and they were successfull i believe.
F8F-1 was on combat duty in WW2 though, with VF 18 and 19
aboard the USS Langley.
i think any plane that was in production and in squad service
before end of ww2, should be in AH. but planes like the F8F-1
would be some of the last to be added after the more
produced, and used 1s.
whels
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Originally posted by Innominate
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Can we drop the damn f7f, f8f, and p80 crap? If it didn't shoot something down in ww2, it doesnt belong in AH.
by that definition, alot of pilots in ww2 were just pilots not
combat pilots.
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Originally posted by whels
F8F-1 was on combat duty in WW2 though, with VF 18 and 19
aboard the USS Langley.
i think any plane that was in production and in squad service
before end of ww2, should be in AH. but planes like the F8F-1
would be some of the last to be added after the more
produced, and used 1s.
whels
Delieveries of the F8F-1s commenced before the war ended and carrier qualification trials looked set to be completed before the war with Japan ended. In the event the A-bomb strikes curtailed operational deployment of the F8F-1s Beatcat during Second World War. Which, F8Fs Beacar entry the service in sometime mid-January 1943 and very highly manoeuvrable...............th e F8F bearcat would have decimated the Japanese.
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Originally posted by MajorDay
Delieveries of the F8F-1s commenced before the war ended and carrier qualification trials looked set to be completed before the war with Japan ended. In the event the A-bomb strikes curtailed operational deployment of the F8F-1s Beatcat during Second World War. Which, F8Fs Beacar entry the service in sometime mid-January 1943 and very highly manoeuvrable...............th e F8F bearcat would have decimated the Japanese.
Two squadrons, VF-18 and VF-19 were equipped with F8F-1s, and training was expedited in order to get the new fighter into service against Japanese suicide attack planes in the Pacific. VF-19 was onboard the carrier USS Langley, enroute across the Pacific, when the war ended on August 16, 1945.
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Yup, Bearcat didnt go the combat but it did entry the service during 1943 and it was so close to enter combat of WWII. Well, It is up to Pryo and the rest of the HTC staff to bring Grumman Bearcat F8F-1 to future Aces High Flight sim combat. :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
What criteria would you use? Famous and familiar to you? Famous and familiar to someone who lives in Milan, Italy or Tokyo, Japan or even Helsinki, Finland? This is no basis for criteria IMO. I seriously doubt most (or even half) of the AH community was familiar with all of the planes modeled in AH before the signed on to play. I bet some discovered the fun of flying something they either had either no or a very casual knowledge of before they played.
I think part of the fun of a WWII based online air combat sim can be that of discovery and education. If we limit it to just the planes 100% of the potential customer base is familiar with then it's time to break out the axes and start cuttin' back. :D
You're right, I'll delete my post