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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -ammo- on December 28, 2000, 10:15:00 AM
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why not? I mean the LW have those ultra mean mausers, the navy guys got there F4's with hispanos? Wasnt there a version of the jug with cannons?
heehee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I think they put 20mm's on every production US fighter in very limited quantities. So the answer is probably yes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Hooligan
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I vote YES (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Here we go again.
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Yep... thing was tho.. 6 or 8 fifties were considered devestating firepower and most pilots, if given a choice, would prefer the fifties armement for their ability to put rounds in the air and their ammo capacity. In AH the MG's are weak sisters (better in 1.05) and no one would rather have fifties than cannon. This, against mainly other fighters! Either something is wrong with the comparitive power/modeling of the different guns or there is an internet problem or the arena is so much different than history or, all of the above or, a combination of some of the above.
In any case.... since it doesn't appear to be quite realistic in effect... Perhaps we should be able to choose any armement package that was ever available.
lazs
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Sorry, this is as close as they got and it didn't work out well. There was a plan to make a 4 x 20mm version but it never happened.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/p4720mm.jpg)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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AFAIK, 20mm's was never mounted on the P-47.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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6 fifties does seem to be the devastating firepower you hear so much about now that the cone has been adjusted. Heck you can string out a longer kill streak in the 1d now than you can in the 1c (plus 4 more rockets=4 more pt boats).
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Hi
Ive noticed 50cals on fighters are pretty effective now actually looks like same effect as in gun cams of 50cal planes. I hope dhog gets more use now, but i dobt it for MA, will be great in scenarios tho!
thanks GRUNHERZ
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pyro what was the point/designated role of that weapon on the 47???
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The only thing I wish for a P47, is a gabby paint job w/invasion stripes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) keep ur canons for newbies who can't aim straight yet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ammo, remember me to hang you high and short next time I meet you.
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Seems I caught a few big ones with this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Got frenchy ready to resolve to violence, Pyro steppin in, ....
Guys It was a joke. To my knowledge I dont know of P-47 varient that had 20mm cannons installed. Nor have I read about any field modifications either. Anmd IMO the 50's work great.
Howeever my little troll was successful (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Actually the Army Air Force was working on a 60 Cal. machine gun. Don't think it ever became practical enough to use. The Navy was completely committed to the 20mill by 1945 however. For some reason it took the Air Force another 10 years after battling th Mig-15 to catch on to the cannon craze.
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there were a few 20mil f86s used in korea with good account of themselves vs mig15
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I think that many of the later model f86s mounted 4 20mm. The problem was the ammo duration - only 4 seconds total firing time. I met a f86d pilot recently, he said they fired 2 at a time instead of all 4, which gave 8 seconds firing time. (He personally favored the 50s.)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Pyro, where did that pic come from? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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8x.50s and 2 x Hispanos on a Jug. But wouldn't that kill its impressive turn rate? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........
Hooligan
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Hooligan dont you read stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ? there was never a p47 with 20mm hispanos (read pyros answer)ERGO there should never be one in AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hooligan also you stated 'they put 20mm's on every production US fighter in very limited quantities'....comon admit it you just made that up! lol
thats how history is rewritten do you think?
LW 'ultra mean mausers'? lol try and fight and live with them ammo.Load 30mm in 190a8 and you can forget any manouvering with fighters...they weigh the same as my neighbours fat arse! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hispanos seem to cause no ill effects(only my perception i have no real idea)
The day we get 'what if loadouts' in AH is the day i will quit and thats a promise!
REAL/HISTORIC FLIGHT SIM IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
who agrees?
hazed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by hazed-:
Hispanos seem to cause no ill effects(only my perception i have no real idea)
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huh! get hit by a few of them, they do cuase some ill effects, and at times raise an adverse reaction. On the good side they seem to provide a "legitimate" excuse for those that manage to get in front of a hispano equiped bird, nay.. it was not lack of good judgement , nor was it a mistake, it was just those pesky hispano's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<salute> all
having a ball in this buggy 1.05 (r2)
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i meant no ill performance effects for weight ammo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed:
Pay attention. Pyro POSTED a picture of a jug with Hispanos on it. Also please don't twist the meaning of my words. I said "I THINK they put...... So the answer is PROBABLY yes". The list I know they tried them on for sure is F4U, F6F, F7F, P-38, P-39, P-47, P-51 and P-61. That leaves the F3A, F4F, P-40 and P-63. And I THINK they probably tried 20mm on these also but I haven't seen any conclusive proof one way or the other.
I'm very careful to be certain that what I post here is factually correct. Please do us all the courtesy of trying to do the same.
Hooligan
[This message has been edited by Hooligan (edited 12-29-2000).]