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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on January 16, 2001, 03:07:00 PM
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So take a bet...wich one you think Pyro will put in?
Stuka? <giggling>
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Gotta be the B29. No other bomber was uber.
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B-29. Little doubt about it, its north american and is the most expected perk bomber.
personally I'd like an Ar-234. Hopefully, in the future (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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He 219? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) No really I think the B-29. I'd love to see a German heavy like the He 177.
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Dunno.. HTC has been variant happy. Gonna have to go with the A-26.
AKDejaVu
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He219 isn't a bomber.
He177 doesn't qualify as perk quality.
Ar234 would be a possibility.
B-29A would be the other possibility but would require gobs of 3D and texture work.
My bet is on the Ar234.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Ar234, and then Superfly will be driven to tears by trying to model the cramped cockpit arrangement and bombsight.. hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I really hope it is a German a/c, can't say I'd be too devastated if it turned out to be an A-26 though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I think the B29 will come late in the game, pyro will moddel other aircrafts before.
Maybe arado, A26, the big canon B25, one of the big german bomber (don't recall), maybe an attack like IL10? I don't think B24s will be perked. Hey...Catalyna maybe? because can bomb and drop troops at the same time (a wild guess?
I have no clue, I would go with Arado, good way to introduce a Jet.
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I'd be happy with a A-26B at, say, half the PP's of a B-29
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576 Squadron - Bomber Command
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Do-17
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Ar-234's bombload were about 3000-3500lb... not much use in arena dont you think?
Maybe as a recon plane searching enemy flat-tops but usually we already know where they are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Gotha Flying Wing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wab
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bump:O
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My bet is on the B-29, Ill be surprised if we get any other.
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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
lasse-
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How many AR-234's and Gotha 229's were produced and delivered to LW units? Now I didn't ask if they saw combat. I'm just curious as to how many squadrons were out fitted with them by the second week of May, 1945?
-Westy
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Go-229 flying wing never went into production. Only a few prototypes were captured.
Hell of a perk though! =)
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Wouldnt the 32k ceiling on a B29 make it non perky here?
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Originally posted by Westy:
How many AR-234's and Gotha 229's were produced and delivered to LW units? Now I didn't ask if they saw combat. I'm just curious as to how many squadrons were out fitted with them by the second week of May, 1945?
-Westy
KG76 was outfitted with the AR-234 from July 1944 to the end of the war. First use was on Aug 2nd, 1944. "Total construction of the Arado Ar 234 amounted to 274 aircraft, of which 30 were prototypes and 244 production
aircraft." What's your point, I know you're trolling for something.
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If it is to be a perk bomber I believe we'll get the B29. I'd love to give them the benefit of the doubt and get a Ar-234, but I just don't think so. A-26 is on the borderline of being perked I think.
PS to Westy: I got a production figure of the Ar-234B of 210. Besides this 50 prototypes and preproduction models and 14 Ar234C's.
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Pongo,
Maybe...
But the 350mph speed and 20,000lbs of bombs would definately cause it to be perked.
Think about what a pain it is to climb up to, and chase down, a 25,000ft B-17 or Lanc that can only do 280mph. Then think about that 350mph.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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I'd like to see the Me-264 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
(http://visi.net/~djohnson/prototyp/264-1.jpg)
(http://hem.bredband.net/rickenbacker/images/ricksig.jpg)
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I little birdy told me .
(http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/farmer/120/amiot.jpg)
(supposed to be a jpeg of an AMIOT 143)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LOL Suave1!
That would have been an excellent perk bomber for Dawn of Aces (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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What ever the 'perked' buff is.. it'll be fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
For me; all I want is an A26.. hard nose. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Didn't Pyro mention a Ju388 way back when as one of his favorites? One of the variants had a bomb load capacity of over 6000lbs and the L1 model could achieve 383mph at 40,000ft. A high altitude bomber for sure. This size bomb load coupled with high altitude performance should be good for a perk bomber. The B29 seems like overkill and would probably require a long runway. Yep-the Ju388 would be just right.
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I would hope for a Ar234, just for something real different. Not sure of it's usefulness because of it's realitive light bomb load, and defensive armament.And at real speed the ability to bomb accurately could be questionable.
According to the book "german a/c of ww2" ISBN 1-85605-357-1 by David Donald, the Arado test pilot Selle had nothing but praise for the a/c. It even states when clean the Ar-234 was fully aerobatic.
Otherwise a A-20B/G could be interesting, but a B-29 would mostly be a rather large lumbering large target, unless at altitude.
But I as well would be surprised if it wasn't the next bomber.
-tronski-
486 Sqn (NZ), "Hiwa hau Maka"
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With ships in the Arena now how about
The 'Tsetse' (De Havilland DH98 Mosquito)
FB.XVIII Fighter bomber. With a 57mm anti-tank gun. Used mainly by Coastal Command against submarines and shipping.
0osik
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If we end up with either an Ar-234 or B-29 they better stretch the runway or you'll never get it off the ground. Right now a loaded Lanc can't get off the ground within the runway length, and they haven't fixed this yet. Hopefully they'll fudge the slow-speed acceleration and let us use only the runway to get airborne.
Well that and I think the caretaker is tired of me stealing his work by mowing the lawn with that Lanc. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"During the Battle of Britain the question 'fighter or fighter-bomber?'
had been decided once and for all: The fighter can only be used as a bomb carrier
with lasting effect when sufficient air superiority has been won." Adolph Galland
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doesent the 29 have a shorter takeoff run than a lanc.or at least the variant we have?
Anywho, i hope its the 29, i used to fly buffs exclusivly and I really wanted....but it better have a hook to catch them wires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Didn't Pyro mention a Ju388 way back when as one of his favorites? One of the variants had a bomb load capacity of over 6000lbs and the L1 model could achieve 383mph at 40,000ft. A high altitude bomber for sure. This size bomb load coupled with high altitude performance should be good for a perk bomber. The B29 seems like overkill and would probably require a long runway. Yep-the Ju388 would be just right.
I would like to see Ju 388! But I think it did not see any action during WWII so maybe it's not the best and most obvious choice. Ju 188 would be nice too but it did not have any qualities that justifies perking.
Ar 234 or B-29 are my bets, personal preference going to Ar. Well, what did you expect? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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I'm pretty sure it will not be the B29, as it's too ubber for introducing it yet.
maybe a ME-410? but it's not really a bomber.
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Ok, B-29 is too uber and we don't have long enough runways, Ju 388L didn't see operational use, Mossie is too common...
Is there a consensus perk bomber will be a Ar 234 Blitz? Very fast and hard to kill but modest bomb load, perfect for arena use!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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a IL-2 perhaps?
or a LA-5/Yak9 with bombs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by flakbait:
If we end up with either an Ar-234 or B-29 they better stretch the runway or you'll never get it off the ground
did you know that the Ar234 used JATO bottles to take off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and that those made the t/o run much shorter? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW Ju388 indeed saw service, at least in its photo-reconnaisse incarnation. Maybe in its bomber too,but will have to look into it to be sure
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Cc, thanks for the info on the AR-234 guyI For some odd reason I kept thinking the AR-234 was the four engined version of an Arado 232.
Duh! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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What was the jet bomber in Aces Over Europe? I remember playing that game on my P60 a looooooooong time ago but I can't remember what the hell the Arado was in it...
I would like to see an A-20 or a B-25H in here.
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Moose11,
That was an Arado Ar234.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Oh... heu... P61? Is that a bomber?
I love speculating (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Jochen:
Ok, B-29 is too uber and we don't have long enough runways
Too uber? It's a perk. That's why it's a perk.
And it's not coming till 1.06. Lord knows what the runways will be at some fields in 1.06. Could have totally new terrain in that version.
I'm fairly certain it IS the B-29.
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Torgo,
Not doubting you, but how can you be so sure? What if they gave us an SBD-5 Dauntless? (this is one plane I really would like to see for a scenario. With some of these, and Jap Vals + Kates, you could recreate Midway pretty well)
Vermillion, what is the status on the next scenario? Please say that it's going to be a recreation of some action in the Pacific?
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The Perk Point Overview lists:
Me-262
Ta-152
Tempest
B-29
Ar-234
Tiger II
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I think you guys failed your marketting course. B29 is the one "everyone" expect as the ultimate mega perk bomber.
So if Pyro gives it right now, where is the fun? It's like knowing what's in the package before opening it for x-mas.
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I'd have to say I'm with Rickenbacher, more for hoping than expecting. Either the ME-264 or the Japanese 'Peggy" would be nice
-Westy
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Moose, right now its not been decided yet.
We are working on several scenarios along a parallel path, but we won't know for several weeks yet which way we will go.
We'll let you know as soon as we know.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Originally posted by Karnak:
He219 isn't a bomber. (I know it was a night fighter, I was kidding see the grin and the No really part.)
He177 doesn't qualify as perk quality. (Just thinking of something different. Screwing around you know. Playing with ideas. But thanks for making sure.)
Ar234 would be a possibility. (Great.)
B-29A would be the other possibility but would require gobs of 3D and texture work. (Oh really.)
My bet is on the Ar234. (Cool.)
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Me264?? then I would see Nakajima G8N1 "Renzan" in AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Mitsu
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Mitsu
Imperial Japanese Army 244th Sentai / Commanding Officer
http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/244sentai/ (http://www.ah.wakwak.com/~mitsu/244sentai/)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/squads/approved/mitsu.gif)
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Originally posted by Moose11:
Torgo,
Not doubting you, but how can you be so sure? What if they gave us an SBD-5 Dauntless?
Umm....what about the "perk" part? Why on earth would a Dauntless be "perked"? :-)
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You're all wrong!
Let's see how this Stren does.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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<the whole room become agast>
Im stumped
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Not the Ar234! Not the B-29A!! Not the A-26!!!
Um, how about the Tu-2?
Mosquito B.MkIX?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Wow.
Ok, I'll take a shot on what it is:
Consolidated B-32 Dominator (actually saw combat!)
I assume all the assorted Luftwobble fantasy AC were already mentioned in the thread. Frankly, it's hard for me to think of any British or Japanse Bombers that would have needed to be perked.
All else I can think of would be late model Russian fast bombers...later models of the Tu-2?
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I will guess me410 or Il10, but both are attack planes...
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Non of us got it right? not a single guess or multiple guess good?
ROFL! I love Pyro. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
heu... the B25 with the big canon?
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Well, i dont know if its plannes, but i'd surely like to see the Mistel as a perk-bomber, jabo.
It was a modified ju88 that had a 3.8 ton warhead installed in the front-part and was controlled by a Me-109 or FW190 that was attached to the top. It was flown to the target, put in a shallow dive an released. The Mistel then flew by autopilot (gyro I think) straight to the target and the Ftr on top could diseng. and go home or land a 15-kill-sortie.
On the Ftrs on top the wing-guns were removed often to reduce weihgt, but not always. Over 250 were built and many of them saw combat.
This would be a cool perk-buff I think. But it should be that way that you only need to land the ftr properly to keep the points (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Purzel
VMF 111 =Devil Dogs= (http://www.devildogs.com)
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"Find the enemy and shoot him down, everything else is nonsense!"
M. von Richthofen
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Well, it looks like I am going to be surprised (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
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Personally, I would like to see the Arado 234 Blitz, but the C4 model. This had four jet engines, and was fitted with two 500 lb bombs and either a ventral gun or a 1000 lb central bomb. The ventral gun was not a turret - it could only fire straight ahead - and was used in the nightfighter variant.
Well, I'm downloading 1.055 and if it does indeed fix USB in Windows 2000, I'll finally be flying next week.
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qts
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If its the P61B Black Widow, Pyro better get rid of his wife for a night, cause I got a hooker and a case of booze otw to Dallas/Ft.Worth!
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Let's see how this Stren does.
That was apparently my not so obvious attempt to make an obvious troll. I was just kidding.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Whats a "stren"?
I used to know a Stren but that was a person, not a thing. Well, I guess people can be considered "things" in an abstract sort of way.....
A P61 would be about the neatest plane HTC could ever add. That would kick ass!
Yeager
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Ok..
"Stren" is a brand of fishing line...hence, "trolling"?
But now I'm confused...
Pyro was kidding about none of the planes we'd talked about being the perk bomber? Or not?
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Yes, I was kidding about it being none of the above.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Perk bomber.....only one choice: Ar.234 but the question is which variant?
Pyro, you use Stren? I prefer Spider Wire as my flyline leader but since I'm not one of those Bass-holes I suppose Stren works. BTW, do you like riding around in the floating equivalent of a Pontiac Firebird with radar? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Trolling(n): see Dredging
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
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I don't use mono at all any more; just Power Pro or Whiplash, I like the no-stretch :-).
Ah. Well, I stand behind my original guess that it is, in fact, the B-29.
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If it is the B29, they'll have to lengthen the runways. Hell, I can barely get off the ground in a Lancaster and B-17! About the only option is to take off out to sea and climb very S-L-O-W-L-Y. My last sortie in a Lanc I ended scraping my belly on a hill north of the base as I was clawing to gain altitude. Ended up ditching it there and walking back....
Hmmm, now a P-61 would be quite interesting. No one's ever modeled THAT before though it wasn't really a bomber and not good enough to be a fighter (which is why it did a lot of night fighting duties). Now there's an idea... having a night intercept mission in AH....
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SpitLead,
That sounds JUST like my one bomber sortie this tour. Mr. Lancaster, meet Mr. Hill. I'll walk back to the base and let you two get to know eachother.
We NEED longer runways. I'd even go so far as to limit heavy bombers to those airfields with the longer runways.
BTW, given Pyro's admition, I restate my bet on the Ar234.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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A Beaufighter!!
-tronski-
( A$1.00 still on the 29 )
486 Sqn (NZ), "Hiwa hau Maka"
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mmm interesting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) more ar234's saw combat than f4uc's?
hazed