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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Skuzzy on March 14, 2007, 10:17:45 AM
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Updated: August 6, 2008
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Microsoft has published a Vista Performance Guide (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=ab377598-a637-432c-a3c8-1607ab629201&displaylang=en). It does require SP1 for Vista to be installed. There are a couple of thigns in the guide that might be helpful, but ignore the SuperFetch and ReadyBoost claims on how they improve performance. The performance gains come at the expense of other applications that depend on memory being available to use that is suddenly being used by the operating system.
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As of today, I am now on a Vista Ultimate based computer. The last week, I have been trying to get things settled down enough to get this computer to play the game well.
Along the way, there are some things I discovered. What I would like to accomplish in this thread is to come up with a streamlining list of things people can do to help them get the most out of their computer and the game.
I really expect this to be a thread of discovery, more than anything else, even though I have worded it as a tutorial, as that is the eventual intent.
With that, let's get started! The computer I am working with has the following specifications
Operating System: Vista Ultimate
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
Memory: 1GB DDR2 PC6400 (no giggles please; this seems what OEM's are shipping)
Video Card: ATI X1600XT w/256MB of video RAM (better than most OEM video cards, but definately, in the lower 50% of performers)
Hard Disk: 400GB SATA 2.0 (it was laying around doing nothing)
Sound Card: Onboard cheapo Realtek (again, most OEM use cheapo sound chips)
Network: Onboard cheapo Realtek (OEM's like cheapo network adapters as well)
After a fresh installation of Vista Ultimate, and not doing anything, Aces High II would yeild about 50FPS, when in the tower and drop quickly into the 30's if I tried to do anything at all. This will be improved upon.
After going through and cleaning up errant processes, I have gotten Vista down to using around 330MB of system RAM. I am sure there is more to be gained, but I think this is a good place to start. The default memory usage after a clean installation of just the operating system was around 900MB. This will vary based on various drivers you have installed.
The drivers used all came with Vista, except for the sound card/chip (I installed it from the CD which came with the motherboard). As it happens, the ATI driver with Vista does not come with the ATI control panel, which is actually a good thing due to the overhead of the ATI Catalyst Control Center (even when it is not running).
The goal with the hardware was to get something fairly representative of what OEM's ship with Vista. Now, on with the tweaks.
NOTE: The following is completely up to the user to do. If you chose to use any of the following suggestions, you do so at your own risk.
1) Right-click on the task bar, select the "Start Menu" tab, and switch to "Classic View". This changes the "Start" menu and makes it easier to get to some things. It will also place a few more icons on your desktop, which were hidden before.
2) Under the "Notification Area", uncheck the "Hide inactive icons". Only check "Clock" and "Volume" under the System icons list. The more icons you display in the task bar, the more overhead there is, particularly if the icon changes.
3) At this point in time you might notice a couple more icons on your desktop. Right-click on the "Computer" desktop icon. Select "Properties" from the menu that comes up.
From the left menu list, select "Advanced System Settings". From the "System Properties" panel, select the "Advanced" tab, then press the "Settings" button in the "Performance" section (should be the first one).
Now, check the "Adjust for best performance" option. Press the "Apply" button. Things will change dramatically on your desktop. Do not worry, you can always add various items back in at this panel. Do so now, and press the "Apply" button as you make each change to see what it does.
4) Now, get back to your desktop. Things should look a lot like Windows 2000 did. Now, to finish up the cleanup with the desktop. Open the "Control Panel", then select the "Classic View" option. Now you can open the "Administrative Tools" icon. Open the "Services".
Now, I cannot stress enough, this section can be risky. Just be careful and take your time.
In this section, there is a list of possible services Vista will run. Some are already running, some are stopped, some run once, and some never run. It all depends on the software you have loaded. I should also note, there are several different versions of Vista available. Not all will contain the same set of services.
Find the "Themes" service in the list, which ships with all versions of Vista. Once you find that line item. Double-click on it. A menu pane will open up. In the "Service Status" section, press the "Stop" button. Next, set the "Startup Type" to either "Manual" or "Disabled". Then press the "OK" button.
Now, everything above had to do with the desktop and windows appearance. It also reduced the memory footprint of the operating system considerably and reduced the overhead for the video subsystem. It may not be pretty, but the goal is to make the operating system take as little resources as possible to get the job done.
Depending on which version of Vista you have, you might have noticed Vista seems to spend a lot of time accessing the hard drive and filling up the available memory of your computer. You can watch this action by opening the "Task Manager" (Ctrl-Alt-Del) and selecting the "Performance" tab. Watch the "Physical Memory" section. The effects are most noticeable after a fresh reboot.
Vista has several services which eat up memory very quickly. One of the processes causes an inordinate amount of disk activity. It is the services in Vista where we will start next.
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Updated: March 18, 2007
This is a list of stock services which come with Vista Ultimate (note: it is not a complete list). Some are already disabled and/or set to manual mode. If it is not listed, it is set to run automatically in the Services utility.
Disabled Services
- Base Filtering Engine
- Certificate Propagation
- Internet Connection Sharing (only safe if you are not sharing your Internet connection on your local computer)
- IP Helper
- Net.tcp Port Sharing Service
- Parental Controls
- ReadyBoost
- Remote Registry
- Routing and Remote Access
- Security Center
- SSDP Discovery
- Superfetch (suppose to help start programs faster by filling all available memory with the most recently used programs. Seems to be nothing more than a resource hog.)
- Table PC Input Service
- Themes (this is a huge resource hog)
- UpnP Device Host
- Windows Defender (also be sure to disable it from starting in the Start->Run->msconfig startup tab)
- Windows Firewall (if you have a reouter with a firewall, it is best to use it)
- Windows Media Center Extender Service
- Windows Media Center Receiver Service
- Windows Media Center Scheduler Service
- Windows Media Center Service Launcher
- Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service (this is a nasty one. It causes all manner of pauses and stutters and will spontaneously reappear even when it is stopped)
- Windows Remote Management
- WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service
Manual Start Services
- Application Experience
- Application Information
- Application Layer Gateway Service
- Application Management
- Block Level Backup Engine Service
- CNG Key Isolation
- COM+ System Application
- DFS Replication
- Diagnostic Service Host
- Diagnostic System Host
- Distributed Transaction Coordinator
- Extensible Authentication Protocol
- Fax
- Function Discovery Provider Host
- Health Key and Certificate Management
- Human Interface Device Access
- Interactive Services Detection
- IPSec Policy Agent
- Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper
- Microsoft .NET Framework NGEN V2.0.50727_X86
- Microsoft iSCSI Initiator Service
- Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
- Netlogon
- Network Access Protection Agent
- Network Connections
- Peer Name Resolution Protocol
- Peer Networking Grouping
- Peer Networking Identity Manager
- Performance Logs and Alerts
- PnP-X IP Bus Enumerator
- PNRP Machine Name Publication Service
- Portable Device Enumerator Service
- Problem Reports and Solutions Control Panel Support
- Protected Storage
- Quality Windows Audio Video Experience
- Remote Access Auto-Connection Manager
- Remote Access Connection Manager
- Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Locator
- SL UI Notification Service
- Smart Card
- Smart Card Removal Policy
- SNMP Trap
- Telephony
- Terminal Services Configuration
- Terminal Services UserMode Port Redirector
- Thread Ordering Server
- TPM Base Services
- Virtual Disk
- Volume Shadow Copy
- Windows Backup
- Windows Cardspace
- Windows Color System
- Windows Connect Now – Config Registrar
- Windows Driver Foundation – User-mode Driver Framework
- Windows Event Collector
- Windows Image Acquisition (WIA)
- Windows Installer
- Windows Module Installer
- Windows Presentation Foundation Font Cache 3.0.0.0
- Windows Search
- Wired AutoConfig
- WLAN AutoConfig
- WMI Performance Adapter
If you install a lot of applications, you could see others in this list. Sometimes an application will install something to run in background when it really does not need to run in background. This is something you have to experiment with for yourself.
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Here is a website on services for Vista
http://members.rushmore.com/~jsky/id31.html
I think this one is a better list.
http://www.speedyvista.com/services.html
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Some of the services listed as 'safe' to disable (the second link) are not safe to disable, depending on the computer configuration.
For instance. You used to be able to disable/shutdown the Windows auto-updater. Now, Windows Update has to be running, even if you want to manually get the updates.
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Next up:
Now that you have your "Computer" icon available on the desktop, let's do some more tweaks.
Right-click on the "Computer" icon, select "Propertes". Then select the "Advanced System Settings" from the list on the left.
In the "Systrem Properties" Panel which pops up. Select the "Remote" tab. Make sure the "Allow Remote Assistance connections to this computer" is NOT checked.
Next, check the "Don't allow connections to this computer" option in the "Remote Desktop".
A caveat. When you select these options in the “Remote” tab, no one will be able to remotely connect to your computer and use it like it was their own. This will prevent other remote computers from connecting to your computer and using your desktop as thier own. Some OEM computer companies have started using this feature as an aid to debugging problems. I know Dell does for sure. So, if you have a Dell, you will need to enable this feature when you contact them for support.
Next, under the “System Protection” tab, I personally uncheck any drives or folders which are checked. I have found system restore to cause more problems than it fixes and the overhead for the operating system is just not worth it.
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Oh, Vista is also configured to run a disk defragmenter once a week via the task manager. It is set to run at its first oppertunity, if it misses is scheduled time. This can be a performance killer in a big way.
I have disabled it so I can run the disk defragmenter manually.
To see all the various tasks Vista has sceduled open the Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Task Manager icon. Expand the lists on the left until you get to "Windows". In that list will be shown all the things Vista can run as a background task.
Some are enabled, some are disabled. You can re-configure them if you like.
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For those with multi-CPU or multi-core systems.
Open Start->Run->msconfig. Oh, you will not have a "Run" option from the "Start" menu, unless you switch to Windows classic view. Aero and the standard Vista GUI do not have "Run" as an option. However, you can still reach the "Run" menu option by pressing the "Windows key + R" on the keyboard.
In msconfig, select the "Boot" tab. Press the "Advanced" options button. Check the "Number of processors" option and select the count from the dropdown list. By default, Vista will only use one CPU to boot. It does help speed the boot process if you have a muti-core system and enable them here.
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Ref multi core and vista..
If I remember right we used to disable one core in XP for AH2. I thought that was not longer required. Yes? No? I'm pretty sure I was running a dual core on AH2 using XP without disabling it and experienced no concerns.
Will a quad using vista need to be disabled down to one core to run AH2? Your post above seems to indicate using multi cores?
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Aces High II has never had a problem with multi-core CPU's. Quite the opposite. As a natively multi-threaded application it runs better on multi-core CPU's.
The problem with multi-core CPU's was related to AMD's implementation which they patched to correct the issues. There has never been a problem with Intel dual core or HT (hyper-threaded) enabled CPU's.
Quad core is a bit of a waste of money. Faster dual core CPU would be a better bet.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Aces High II has never had a problem with multi-core CPU's. Quite the opposite. As a natively multi-threaded application is runs better on multi-core CPU's.
The problem with multi-core CPU's was related to AMD's implementation which they patched to correct the issues. There has never been a problem with Intel dual core or HT enabled CPU's.
Quad core is a bit of a waste of money. Faster dual core CPU would be a better bet.
Thanks Skuzzy. That clears that up.
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Why get vista if you are just going to maim the display?
Would Skuzzy recommend vista?
How is it working with other programs?
Can you implement windows versions of programs or does it have to be a windows vista version?
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Originally posted by Dadano
Why get vista if you are just going to maim the display?
All OEM computers come with Vista now. It is not a matter of choice anymore. The 'Aero' graphical interface is very resource intensive and cumbersome for most people to use. If you think losing a huge percentage of performance in every program, is worth running it, then you can chose to do so.
There is absolutely no technical benefit to Aero. None. And it can get in the way of running many things as it hides things from the user. Having 'Aero' as your desktop is akin to hiring an air brush artist to paint your washing machine. Sure, it will be prettier, but at the end of the day, it is still a washing machine.
Would Skuzzy recommend vista?
I do not make recommendations. The task at hand is to help people use what hey have while getting the most out of it. Slimming down Vista helps get back some of the 25 to 35% performance loss you automatically lose by using Vista over XP Pro. My personal computer, at home, will never have Vista on it. Vista does nothing better than XP does and in many cases, it cannot do what XP can.
How is it working with other programs?
I presume you are talking about the compatilibity problems with Vista. There are many programs which will not run under Vista, which work fine under XP Pro. Some of the problems are due to bugs in Vista. Microsoft just released a patch which corrects problems with about 50 or so programs.
However, there are some which will never work as the API's (application programming interface) have been removed from Vista due to DRM (digital rights management) requirements.
Can you implement windows versions of programs or does it have to be a windows vista version?
Not sure what you are asking. It is quite easy to implement programs which will run on all versions of Windows, bugs aside. It is also quite easy to create programs which would only run under Vista. But then again, you could also create programs which would run only under XP.
It is a conscious effort to create programs which only work on one version of Windows.
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I should also note, the latest updates to Vista have created a problem in my computer, where long pauses are now occurring whenever the cursor approaches a button in Internet Explorer 7.
It does not always happen, but it is happening often enough to cause a great deal of frustration.
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Setting here banging head on desk knowging someday I will have to give up XP pro......
Saddness
Gatr
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Ok I havent read this entire thread skuzzy but good job on the vista tips. Heres another one for you.
uninstall anything that comes from or with wild tangent, its full of spy ware that eats memory alive.
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I found interesting problem with Vista.
I cant find any screenshots and films. It seems that they dont exist at all.
I think that Vista dont allow create files to program files folder, I saw this problem also with one of my customer, who is software developer... Vista creates "virtual files" to somewhere else, not to program files folder.
Is there any config files for screenshots and films? If we could create different creating path for them, it could work?
OK, now I found it. There really is virtual folder:
C:\Users\Mikko\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\HTC\Aces High II
If you open HTC folder by clicking "computer" > "program files" etc, you cant see screens and films. Same thing if you use "explorer".
This path: (C:\Users\Mikko\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\HTC\Aces High II) gives you the right place!
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Good find! I have not tried it yet. I wonder if it is tied to any particular service?
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Heres the trick for saving pictures on vista, MAKE YOUR OWN FOLDERS! set your browser up to ask where to save a picture, video, etc, and manually save it. I had a time with my camera pictures till I figured that out.
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More info:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927387
Scenario 2: You cannot find the file or the folder that you just created
When you use an application for which virtualization is enabled, you create data files in virtualizable locations of the file system. When you use another application or Windows Explorer to access these newly created files, you cannot find them. For example, if you save a file in a photo editing application in the %programfiles%, %systemroot%, or %programdata% folders, you cannot locate this file.
Resolution
Scenario 2
To resolve this issue, use one of the following methods:
• Click the Compatibility Files button that appears on the Explorer bar to view virtualized files in the folder. The Compatibility Files button appears only if there are virtualized files in the folder.
(http://www.savanne.org/vista1.JPG)
• Look in the C:\Users\User_name\AppData\Local\VirtualStore folder to locate files and folders.
• Save your application's data in a folder under your user profile.
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5538
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Originally posted by dmf
Heres the trick for saving pictures on vista, MAKE YOUR OWN FOLDERS! set your browser up to ask where to save a picture, video, etc, and manually save it. I had a time with my camera pictures till I figured that out.
This is not the point in this case.
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So How come I don't have these problems? Is it because I have home basic and not premium or above?
I just made folders on my c drive and save pictures there, video in the video folder, and since I use FF as a browser I have ACDSee set to view that folder and I can save pictures to the picture folder from there.
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There is no problems with pictures in general.
I suppose you have AH installed and you play it?
Start your AH and take some screenshots by pressing ALT+S.
Go to your HTC folder and try to find that picture.
It is not where it used to be in XP! Same thing with films. In HTC/AH folder there should be "films" folder but it doesnt exist!
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Oh ok the AH pictures, ok next time I find a room worth playing in I'll try that and see where they go.
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Problems with file sharing.
It appears in order to be able to share files within your workgroup/domain, you now have to have the Windows Firewall service enabled.
Typically, I shut this down, as I do not need any local software firewall and let all that be handled by an external firewall.
Anyone found a way around this problem?
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Turn off ALL the security software including the stuff you don't see, place everything you want to share in the public folder and allow it to be shared over the network.
You guys really should have got vista home basic, all it is is xp with a paint job and some stuff rearranged.
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Roy buddy!
I just want to start off by saying thanks on behalf of the community.
This is way above & beyond the call of duty. Thank You.
I went through your entire diet plan for Vista. I was so excite to try
this out because I'm just furious with those monopolizing facists at
Microsoft. I don't understand. Why a new oppressive system every
few years? I was still using my old Windows '95 computer until just
a few months ago. It was lightning fast with zero bugs or problems!
The down side was less and less programs will run on it now. With
my limited background in computers I was able to keep it running
way better than everyone else, even with their new systems they
buy every other year or two. They had no choice. It ends up getting
so bogged down and hyjacked - it's almost worthless!
My harddrive started to go so I thought since its tax refund time,
what the hell, I'll get new computer. Love that new 'puter smell.
I bought another HP system but with an AMD this time:
HP Pavilion a1748x
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Duel Core 3800+ 2.0 GHz
1gig RAM DDR2
32bit Vista Home Premium
nVidia GeFORCE 7600GS 512mb PCI Express DDR2
19" Widescreen Monitor
Speakers & Sub (old)
Saitek X52 HOTAS & TrakIR
Now when I went through your tutorial - my Base Score went from:
4.1 to 4.2
My question is - is this normal? Doesn't seem much like a boost.
I followed everything to a T. Read this entire thread 3 times. As you
know the score is the lowest one, which is still my 'Graphics' = 4.2
Can that be right when I spent all that money on a Graphics card???
My Frame Rate with everything maxed out and Animated Water OFF,
is about 60 (really good) and plumits to the teens (unplayable) when
I'm low over forest OR have Animated Water ON and flying higher.
Question 1 - Base Score 4.1 to 4.2, ok?
Question 2 - Thoughts on getting another 1gig of RAM?
(why is RAM so expensive now? new op sys Vista?)
Thank you so much again for your time sir. Stay cool!
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Originally posted by dmf
Turn off ALL the security software including the stuff you don't see, place everything you want to share in the public folder and allow it to be shared over the network.
You guys really should have got vista home basic, all it is is xp with a paint job and some stuff rearranged.
Because Ultimate has all the bells and whistles and I have to deal with it.
All the security stuff is off, that Vista will allow to be turned off. And I cannot simply share a folder. I have to be able to share a drive. Oh, and another intersing thing. It seems you cannot share "Program Files" no matter what you do.
Interestingly, the "Windows Security" client still wants to run at boot time. It is not listed anywhere in the msconfig, Startup, or Services list as being enabled. I have to yet hack my way through the registry to find where Microsoft decided to hide the startup for it and for other things they may not be disclosing.
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Eurisko, do not expect much of a change in the score Vista doles out. The program is based on algorithms MS instilled in it and not an actual load test.
On my X1600XT, my frame rate went from 30's-50's to hitting 75 (sync rate limit).
I still have a long way to go on this "hints and tips" thread. Still trying to figure out why there are over 430+ threads always running, when no applications are open. XP Pro had about 210+ threads.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Problems with file sharing.
It appears in order to be able to share files within your workgroup/domain, you now have to have the Windows Firewall service enabled.
Typically, I shut this down, as I do not need any local software firewall and let all that be handled by an external firewall.
Anyone found a way around this problem?
I disabled windows firewall and then enabled sharing. No problems! I have also ultimate.
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Very wierd. I can enable sharing. I can set the access permissions just fine, but no one can access anything without getting a share violation.
My first though is I have shut down something Vista needs, which XP did not need. Vista itself appears to be preventing me from accessing "Program Files" on any share.
Thanks mipoikel. I'll start turning thinsg back on again and see what is causing the issue. This is going to take a while.
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I dont know if this is important but..
Computer 2, what I use to test and explore computer 1 files, has also Vista installed. (enterprise version)
I haven't tried xp or w2k.
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Yes, I did not mention, all the machines trying to access my share are XP and 2K. None of them can do it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yes, I did not mention, all the machines trying to access my share are XP and 2K. None of them can do it.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\system\
create new DWORD Value: LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
assign value 1 to LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
restart machine
EDIT: that's for your Vista machine...
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That did not fix it 2bighorn. None of the local XP/2K boxes on the same workgroup can access my share. I even added 'Everyone' to the permissions list, along with the workgroup. Still does not work.
Also, I cannot execute a program on any remote computer. Vista says I do not have persmission. I am the admin on the computer and have included my user account in the admin group as well. The right-click and "Run As admin" option does not allow the remote executable to run either.
I can access all remote shares from Vista, except for the 'Program Files' directory on any of the shares.
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India is open 24/7
Give them a call.
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Ok, after spending more time reading about UAC, it is clear that my Vista system will not be able to share with any other computer on our network until everyone else upgrades to Vista.
UAC is not going to allow unregulated sharing to occur and there is no way to completely remove UAC from Vista.
According to Microsoft, the only way to do what I need to do is to install a Microsoft Systems Management server on our network.
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Any of you clever folks found a way around this? I have been beating my head against the wall.
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Sorry it didn't work out. It works for me, although my vista test rig is member of the domain, so that might make a difference.
You wouldn't need SMS if you already have 2003 server as a domain controller.
Anyways, you can disable UAC if it causes too much trouble.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
create Dword key EnableLUA and give it value of 0
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I already had that set to 0. Still not able to access any Vista share from an XP or 2K machine.
This one has me stymied.
I guess I need to hit TechNet with this one.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I already had that set to 0. Still not able to access any Vista share from an XP or 2K machine.
This one has me stymied.
I guess I need to hit TechNet with this one.
Check all the Group Policies. If they are set to use UAC, Vista will ignore anything else and stick with UAC.
Anyways, now I got curious myself. Gotta play some with Vista shares. I'll let you know if I find something.
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Oh yeah, if it were only that simple. I'll get back on it tomorrow.
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Skuzzy,
My Vista (home premium) wont load AH....I use my XP system so not an issue but obviously eventually vista is going to be only supported. what do you need, how to I begin to trouble shoot. I loaded the latest Nvida driver (in XP so think i'll need to reboot to run what I need for you anyway....
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Hmmm....
System now runs AH (didnt do a thing)....
My system seemlessly integrated with my "workgroup" which is obviously not a domain. So workgroup functionality is there across OS...
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Everyone can see my Vista machine, but no one can access it (workgroup, no domain). I can access anyone else's share from the Vista machine (except thier 'Program Files' folder, even if it is shared).
I kinow it has to do with one of the services I have shut down. Poasibly somehting to do with UAC. I have not had a chance to chase this one down yet.
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I can access and be accessed...as I go thru shutting services down i'll check access each time. If I hit it before you find it i'll post. I noticed BTW I can run AH fine 1 time...it dumps when I try to access it again. If I reboot in vista problem remains (what happened originally)...but if I reboot in XP then I can load AH 1st time thru in vista again...
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Too bad MS removed the ability to make/boot with a different hardware profile in Vista. That sucks.
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I know for sure it is a configuration issue. I think I might have to come in and just start from scratch with a fresh OS install and find where it goes wrong from there.
I know I need to be able to stop most of the stuff running or I will never be able to play the game on this computer. My frame rates with a fresh install did well to hit 50, and hung around in the 30's when a plane came into view.
After cleaning up the mess, I stay pretty solid at 75.
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OT: Did you guys see that MS has granted an extension for OEM's to continue to provide XP for another year? And 2 years for the small builders.
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Hey fellas. I know that no one knows me anymore, but I'm Shuckins' son. I recently got a new computer with Vista Home Premium on it. My problem is that after I download a fresh install file for AH, the installation locks up at 98% completion. Could this be caused by a problem with Vista, or is something else going on?
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I'm just playing with Vista, to be honest its not as bad as I thought it would be....but then i'm running a 6600 duo. I loaded AH no problem....so far it plays once and locks up if I try and fire it up a 2nd time. I need to boot to XP to clear. Its a different animal then XP altogeather...or so it seems. If you have less then stellar resources its a dog. I will say it runs all my business apps better then XP by a wide margin so far......(not that thats alot of stuff). I haver a dual boot with all personal stuff on XP and my business stuff locked down (hopefully) on vista with multiple backup's....
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Everyone can see my Vista machine, but no one can access it (workgroup, no domain). I can access anyone else's share from the Vista machine (except thier 'Program Files' folder, even if it is shared).
I kinow it has to do with one of the services I have shut down. Poasibly somehting to do with UAC. I have not had a chance to chase this one down yet.
I encountered the same stuff, in the end I figured it out (at least for me). I could access the network storage but see nothing (Vista showed all network storage as empty)....finally realized you need to map everything like its a network drive and presto everything appears. So now my Vista box has a seperate network drive for each shared resource...
Skuzzy curious if you tried mapping all the shared resources. Tomorrow I need to migrate my database files over to Vista and see if the rest of network can access...but as of now everybosy can see and read/write to the test files....
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I have no issues getting to other shares, mapped or not, from the Vista box. And everyone can see the Vista box and can get a list of the shares available, but no one can access those shares from an XP box.
Are you saying the XP boxes need to map my Vista shares as network drives before they will be able to access the share on my Vista box?
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I've got my stuff on an external network drive so its not on the vista box. Vista had to map the drive to see the contents (it could see the drive itself).
I'll see if my other machines can see my vista shares. BTW the network blew out my user/passwords on the shares....since its 1st cup of coffee I'm still booted to Vista....will need to see if ita Vista issue or the WRT350N router...I'll set up a share on vista and wee what it takes for evewrything else to see it.....
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The only thing I have not tried yet was adding the individual users to my box. I had perms set to full execution for everyone.
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From what i'm reading you can only share if each user has an account on the vista box...not sure if thats right. I'm still trying to figure out how my SQL server handles network storage drives. Think i'm going to need to use IP mapping since the datbase isnt liking logical drives from different boxes (even if they're all mapped the same)
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If you have UAC (User Access Control) enabled, that is quite true. However, you are supposed to be able to disable UAC and then have it act like any other previous version of Windows.
Does not seem to be true.
Also, in trying to install a network printer, I have had zero success. I cannot get the installer to use my local driver on Vista. It insists on trying to install from the remote computer, which is a Windows 2K box, and of course, fails miserably.
I also ran into an instancing issue with IE. This one is wierd.
Open up two instances of IE. Have both of them set to a WEB page which requires input (two different sites, which use Java)). I can type in the input, no problem. But when I use the mouse to try and press the button to send the input, it is ignored. I can do anything else, but send the input. If I shutdown the second occurance of IE, the other one will work as it should.
I have tabbing disable in IE7.
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Nothing about vista acts like anything I've seen. It almost seems counter intuitive on purpose. I'm far from an expert but i've always gotten from where I am to where I need to be. I've set up everything from lantastic to citrix for 75+ users....often faster better and more stable then the guys I pay $120/hr to handle this type of stuff. Obviously there is an awful lot of down and dirty nitty gritty in any OS....but historically the fundementals are just that. You might run into a syntax glitch or "workflow" procedure thats based on how one OS handles an instruction set vs another....I've never seen anything like vista. It seems like they "invented" stuff just because they wanted to. You turn stuff on or off and you dont get the effect you "should"....
Basically I get the sense that Gatesdom has taken the compaq/dell/gateway gremlins and standardized them so you cant possbily do anything YOU want without the permission on the resident ogre in the OS....arghh...
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I'm only running Vista Home Premium so I don't have the same security as Pro but I disabled UAC after day 3 as I got fed up with hundreds of popups every time I tried to do anything. I just switched it off in the Control Panel. I've not checked the services to see if it is still running but all the warnings have stopped. I also have Windows Firewall and Defender switched off with a 3rd party security suite running and I can share my files on my home network with an XP box no probs.
If I had known they were going to extend XP licenses I would have held off buying this thing and got it with XP instead.
With older OS's you could setup different users with different startup settings to max performance when gaming. I tried to do this for AH so that all my normal Office and security settings could be minimised and reduce the base load to rock bottom but it seems that whatever changes I make using msconfig applies globally not just in my AH user account. Does anyone know of a good program which will allow me to define system startup options for multiple accounts. I'm fed up everytime I get near the woods in zoom mode my graphics and audio go into slow mo, this is the only problem I have running Aces high at the moment.
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Skuzzy,
I just purchased PC components ONE hour ago from Newegg and my specs are similar to yours. Here are mine:
COOLMAX 700W Power Supply (SLI Ready)
GIGABYTE Motherboard, Nvidia 650i
Intel e6600 (Conroe) 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo
eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 800 (pc6400) RAM
Seagate SATA 320GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
I'm wondering if Vista will run some graphically intense games such as Aces High II, Battlefield 2142, Armed Assault, MS Flight Sim X etc etc... games of those intensity. I'm wondering if I can run these and expect the same results in Frames Per Second as I would in XP. I don't care if I have to turn of Aero and go into msconfig and disable a ton of the start up options I don't need, my question is that will I be able to turn these types of games with similar frames as XP?
My reason for asking this question is that I don't have an OS. I have purchased the parts, but am waiting until they arrive and until I build the system.
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Originally posted by Mak333
Skuzzy,
I just purchased PC components ONE hour ago from Newegg and my specs are similar to yours. Here are mine:
COOLMAX 700W Power Supply (SLI Ready)
GIGABYTE Motherboard, Nvidia 650i
Intel e6600 (Conroe) 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo
eVGA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 800 (pc6400) RAM
Seagate SATA 320GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
I'm wondering if Vista will run some graphically intense games such as Aces High II, Battlefield 2142, Armed Assault, MS Flight Sim X etc etc... games of those intensity. I'm wondering if I can run these and expect the same results in Frames Per Second as I would in XP. I don't care if I have to turn of Aero and go into msconfig and disable a ton of the start up options I don't need, my question is that will I be able to turn these types of games with similar frames as XP?
I have the following...
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel Core 2CPU 6420 @ 2.13GHz
2.00 GB Ram
256MB ATI Radeon X1300PRO
Saitek x52 Pro
AT&T DSL
I get 59-65 FPS with the High RES Texture pack
Ping rate 60-65
Variance in Delay is a flat line
I'm very pleased with the results. Personally I think the 2 GB ram and the solid DSL service make the biggest difference in preformance.
BTW - I just picked up the x52 pro. I've used CH products for years and loved them, in my opinion the x52 pro is in the same class as CH. The reason I went with the x53 pro was the good reviews it got and the price.
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I have the spining clipboard in Vista. The patch sticky you have will only work for XP. (I tried but the update kicked me out due to Vista OS).
Is there a vista solution to this problem?
HPa6030n
AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 4800+
2 gig ram
NVidia GForce 6150SE
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Originally posted by JB17
I have the spining clipboard in Vista. The patch sticky you have will only work for XP. (I tried but the update kicked me out due to Vista OS).
Is there a vista solution to this problem?
HPa6030n
AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 4800+
2 gig ram
NVidia GForce 6150SE
AMD has not released a Vista patch yet. You will have to right-click on the Aces High II startup ICON, select "Properties", and set the game to run in compatibility mode.
Mak333, I cannot think of any reason to go with Vista. Windows XP will be supported until the year 2014. It is more stable, and runs better than Vista will ever be able to. Vista really does not bring anything to the party but a lot more bloat and instability.
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Recently bought my wife a Dell laptop and had to get the first Vista machine (Vista Home 32 Bit) for our household. My Homebuilt Desktop (Specs in Sig) will have XP til it dies.
ANYWAY, got hers with the 1 Gig of RAM that Dell recommended. Many issues with just her using AOHell and reading news. As soon as I upgraded it to 2 Gig, most of the issues went away.
Strongly recommend a Minimum of 2 Gig RAM and 256 Meg Dedicated Video RAM.
I got an HP (I now hate DELL also) Pavilion dv9000 Laptop for travel with Vista Premium 64 Bit, Intel Dual Core CPU, 2 Gig RAM and NVIDIA Geforce 7600 w/256 Meg Dedicated Vid Mem. Runs AHII great, even over the wireless hotel connection I was using.
....Playing AHII while on the road..... priceless
Skuzzy, Just went through your tips; Thanks VERY Much. That had to be a TON of work....
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i've noticed 2 other things on my new machine. On the login, i have a ping rate foe the first 3 arenas only, nothing for the ones below that. Also when changing rooms (hanger tower flight etc ) each graphic item is loading extremely slowly, yet i have MORE than enough memory available. Any ideas as to why this is occuring?
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has anyone had a problem with game frezzing up with the new vista.
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I have, but I've noticed that it only does it if the computer has been running for any long length of time. If I'm going to be flying AHII, I usually do it from a freshly booted system.
Vista Ultimate x64
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OK, I fixed the freezes with the AMD dual-core optimizer (http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe) (patch). It also got rid of my spinning or frozen clipboard.
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Can anyone else confirm the AMD has updated the patch to work under Vista?
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I don't think it was updated. It still has a date of 11/06.
At this moment, the only thing I can't seem to fix is the rudder on my x52. And I'm using the saitek beta drivers for that (tried to fix the rudder with the beta drivers). It seems that I've lost the scaling for the rudder. It's either full on or off. I've got my rudder mapped to my pedals on my steering wheel controller at the moment.
I would also like to point out that I had to disable AMD's "Cool -n- Quiet" in the bios to keep from warping.
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Hi all,
I'm looking at getting back in combat flight sims online and just buit myself a decent computer.
Now the only question left is what operating system?
After reading your posts and so many post on other forums, it seems Vista is a don't touch. Sad because the system was built as vista ready. Here are some specs.
Asus M2N32-SLI Vista ready motherboard
4 gigs
AMD X2 6000+ CPU
2x XFX 8600 GT SLI 256MB DDR3
Enermax Infinity 720W
Thermaltake Black Kandalf Full tower
Then here comes the question. Windows XP professional 32 or 64 bit.
My computer is equiped with 4gigs and I want to be sure it will use it all. It seems that XP 32 bits is not using more than 3 to 3.5 gigs as per some posts here and in other places. Is that true? It is spec as good up to 4 gigs.
Please help so I can get off this issue and get back up here asap.
Thank you,
Snow 7744
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I just bought an HP m8124n
AMD athlon 64 X2 dual core
2942MB
32bit Vista Ultimate OS
on board nvidia and realtek chipsets
I now know I should have gotten the intel chipset, too late.
After going throught the Vista hints for performance of the game, updating drivers from driveragent.com, and running the game in win98 compatibility mode:
I get between 17 and 40 FPS
Minimizing AH and looking at task manager, CPU use is between 49% and 51 % (KINDA LIKE NOT USING BOTH PROCESSORS)
Scuzzy, what do you need (or what else should I look at) to diagnose my implimentation (I loaded AH fresh from the AH website)
Can I load XP on this machine and do away with Vista?
HELP!
Slopoke
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Your onboard video chip is going to hamper performance in a big way.
That system would run better under XP. At least NVidia's drivers for XP are better than they are for Vista. You would probably have to get the XP copy from HP.
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Originally posted by slopoke
I just bought an HP m8124n
AMD athlon 64 X2 dual core
2942MB
32bit Vista Ultimate OS
on board nvidia and realtek chipsets
I now know I should have gotten the intel chipset, too late.
After going throught the Vista hints for performance of the game, updating drivers from driveragent.com, and running the game in win98 compatibility mode:
I get between 17 and 40 FPS
Minimizing AH and looking at task manager, CPU use is between 49% and 51 % (KINDA LIKE NOT USING BOTH PROCESSORS)
Scuzzy, what do you need (or what else should I look at) to diagnose my implimentation (I loaded AH fresh from the AH website)
Can I load XP on this machine and do away with Vista?
HELP!
Slopoke
You'll run a fair chance of not being able to find XP drivers for some of your hardware if you opt to install XP. You really need to research that first with HP and then the various hardware manufacturers of your devices if HP is of no help.
Contrary to some of the stuff you'll read in the forums you can configure your machine to run AH2 very well under Vista. You're right, you'd have done better at this particular moment to have gone with Intel instead of AMD performance wise but your onboard video is probably the biggest hindrance to your machine's performance right now.
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Vista 32 has the same limits memory wise as XP 32, the OS only actively uses about 3.3 GB of RAM the rest is used for drivers. I have 4 GB in my Tosh laptop with a NVidia Geoforce 7900 GO video card which has 256MB of dedicate ram and can also use 256 MB of system ram to give 512MB total. When running AH with textures etc preloaded in memory the AH in game system information tells me I have 540 MB video ram of which 5MB is in use and 1GB Ram avail with 107MB being used by the preloading.
I tried a clean install of Xp on a spare HDD and managed to get drivers for every component of my system except the sound card. The computer was running fine and a lot faster than under Vista. If I could get the sound card drivers I would have stuck with XP but alas I had to go back to Vista. I'm beginning to think that this OS is another of Microsoft's backwards improvements, like windows Millenium was. It appears to be XP with a few fancy bolt-ons and doesn't work any better than XP. Also getting Vista drivers for peripherals that work correctly is also difficult as a lot of them are still in beta testing and some are seriously glitchy. My company IT supervisor has deleted Vista and reloaded 2 brand new HP laptops with Xp in the last week. Some of the programmes our engineers use were not Vista compatible and he was able to find Xp drivers for everything so you may be lucky with HP kit.
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Update from an early adopter
Vista ,
Maybe the biggest boondoggle since millenium so far.
Just read that they were releasing service pack 1 in beta next month.
From my experience in the last 8 months it is still beta.
The only saving grace is that this is my home system and I am willing to tinker.
System is a
AMD64 x2 4600
2 gig ram
Asus A8N SLI
2x 7800 GT in SLI 163.44 beta drivers
Creative Audigy 4 card
3 Sata Disks of 150,250,400 gb
I am struck today reading a mickey soft blog about the release of this sp and the amusing fact that it is to correct problems that have occured.
The listing includes drivers ,software and a few other items .
I will list some of the things that I see,
Not to beat around the bush but for the last month to start this machine I would see the BSOD 3 times and bounce back to bios before something would click. In many cases there wasn't even a reference as to what has caused the problem.
After another auto update last week I saw that the error message was coming from an ata driver. When I checked the last ,drivers installed must have come from MS since they were dated late june.These are system drivers from the looks and the nvidia chipset drivers seem to hook into them.Go figure.This week another update a lo and behold no more crashing.
That is a simple example,other issues briefly seem to come from device drivers.Support? The answer is in a word is None
You can see that I am up to a beta driver 164 from Nvidia, this number started at 50 something. Still they have what appears to most of the kinks out,more on this a bit later.It does look good though sometimes and that some of the vaunted features are still dead ie AA
Creative......a big Foxtrot Union is what I seem to be getting from both CL and MS .According to creative most functions that were working on XP are now DNF. I am tempted to pull the card out and run my onboard realtek chip onboard.From what I understand it may mean that my machine might run faster. AS for CL they just released their ? driver which is supposed to give back certain functionality under specific games . BTW they will charge you $10 for this as well.
Other misses , I have a Sony DVD camera which will not function in USB connection to my PC Sony says it will not work.My pinnacle editing package is now onto another Verison since their version freakin 10 never worked and now I need version 11 for Vista and please pay $90 for the update and they do not support my older pinnacle pctv usb in Vista
(As I side note people I wince when I hear complaints about AH updates , my dear readers these are a spring morning breeze compared the hurricanes and tornado's I have seen.)
The only bright point driver wise seems to be Saitek and TIR where they did put something out that worked, and if not they explained why the item wasn't working.
On to the software ,it is nice,and there are a lot of bells and whistles that make it seem like it is nice and behaved and that MS does care what things work and don't .That being said I will relate 1 problem of a few
I have window ultimate which had the Media center function built in.
When I first installed it last January it didn't work ,I could not connect my xbox 360 to it and it would shell out after 10 seconds .About 2 weeks later I received a notice that the problem was due to something in the Nvdia driver set and that an upgrade of the driver should solve the problem.
Presto it works .
This june my original 360 went RROD (red ring o death) so I went through the entire rma proceedure etc ,the replacement RROD'd after 3 hours of use and yet another showed up 3 weeks ago.
Guess what? The media center program shells out after 30 seconds.
Here is the rub nowhere on any MS website have I found anything other than phone technical support to see what is causing this.I have even posted on the microsoft forums and I see others have had and are listing the same problem with the same error codes .
Now admittedly these MS sites are user run, but to be ignored as I see others posting the same as well strikes me as almost a conspiracy of silence.
Further reading elsewhere seems to indicate that it may be a problem again with Nvidia drivers ,or it may be some warped DRM function checking my files, or it maybe the security of net frame or MS's own net defender that maybe causing it.
The real issue though is the total silence from MS on the issue .
MS provides a problem reports and solution menu for software bugs and it seems to me after a time that it is only there to delay me from going ballistic.
This is the exact opposite of the experience that I had with MS over XP,98,95 or dos 6.2 or 5.0. It seemed that they were more open on info than they are now.
Vista will I keep it ?
I think that I have gone this far I will .The above may seem critical and it is for reason , but there are something it seems to do well.
Is it really production ,no this is really beta even SP1 will still be beta.
Snivly
ps please excuse any typos since I an freehanding this .
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Copy and paste your System Summary from msinfo32.exe, System Information; it might help direct us specifically as to Windows XP x64 compatability, information, support, etc...
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Vista is crap! Bill should be kicked solidly in the place where it will do him the most good. I bought a new PC just to play AH with and I have not been able to play since. between lock-ups and this new "Don't move controls so rapidly" bug the game has become unplayable. I am now going to waste another $200 to buy XP and try again.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Originally posted by TARGUT
Vista is crap! Bill should be kicked solidly in the place where it will do him the most good. I bought a new PC just to play AH with and I have not been able to play since. between lock-ups and this new "Don't move controls so rapidly" bug the game has become unplayable.
I have Vista Home Premium on 2 computers (desktop and laptop) and I've had no problems playing AH on either. I have intel duel core and 2GB ram on both. I have had problems but so far all the problems have been caused by 3rd party software, the worse of them being caused by the ATI video driver on the laptop (the laptop would not shut down properly).
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This is the overall problem with Vista. It is inconsistent, in part, due to driver instabilities. NVidia drivers are terrible under Vista. ATI actually has the upper hand there.
And Sniv, the problems you faced with Vista and various products is all about Vista and DRM. You older version of Pinnacle will not work due to DRM under Vista. Creative Labs had to re-create the DirectSound API under Vista, as MS pulled it out becuase they could not figure out how to make it work with DRM.
Basically Sniv, everything you listed as being a problem with a third party is all related to DRM under Vista.
Today, Vista decided to not show me any of the computers in its workgroup. No way to force it either. It will not show itself in the workgroup. I am now relegated to using another computer to purchase anything at Newegg, as my Vista box refuses to work with thier secure pages after the last update. The more updates I do, the more problems I am getting.
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I LOVE beta testing for M.S.
At least if you hate their product U can't give it back.
CYA Up
Targut
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i am new to AH2 and have a new puter with vista home premium. seems to work ok but my current problem is getting voice radio to work, seems the adjustments setting are different. any ideas on how to get the voice radio to work?
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I have yet to get voice to work on mine. I just got a microphone, so I will be turning the issue over to the dev guys.
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Originally posted by flatiron1
i am new to AH2 and have a new puter with vista home premium. seems to work ok but my current problem is getting voice radio to work, seems the adjustments setting are different. any ideas on how to get the voice radio to work?
I assume you mean getting the microphone to work with Vista... If that's the case then see if this works for you. In "Control Panel" open "Ease of Access". You should see an option "Set Up Microphone". Make sure your microphone is plugged in, click on "Set Up Microphone" and follow the prompts.
After that you can left click the speaker located on the taskbar, click "Recording Devices" and tweak the settings until you're happy with the results. Go to th AH help page to get info on how to test the microphone in the game.
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Update of Snivly's further adventures with vista beta.....
Since the last time aside from various Nvidia updates and the like I have
(in no order)
Got rid of the SB Audigy and went back to Ac97 on board
Crashed the onboard ac97 trying to install a driver
Re-installed the SB since ac97 was dead and installsheild was not working.
Finally forund out what to fix on the installsheild error for AC97
Tried to install WIC (world in conflict....hey they have nukes)and spent the better part of a week cleaning out all sorts of errors, and finding out that all sorts of intesting things ...Got it running finally but I can say that if I was charging per hour the bill would be for a minimum of 24 to 36 hours .
Issues found/solved and their fixes are
Had a problem with my 2 DVD R drives ,Could not get Wic to even load, would crash to a blue screen .
Fix was found on MS tech forums where it would appear that due to the upgrade to vista ultimate my system had copied a lot of the dvd drivers used from various programs ie pinacle,nero etc etc.Had to kill most of the drivers by searching them down and then de installed .Had to make a registry change to kill upper and lower values and bingo it worked.
This does not include other issues that were tried at the same time which include
changing the bios
getting a sata dvd-r since the ide drivers seemed flaky
installing 3 different system cleanup/tunie up programs
getting rid of 3 dvd authoring programs
the list goes on and on.....more later
does it work ,yes, but I have not had to get into this amount of tinkering since dos days it seems
Snivly
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Thanks Skuzzy and all for the info. Much better playability now. Would trying Riva Tuners on a 256M PCIe 7900 GS help any?
Also, anyone else notice if you set folder options to view hidden files, your 3rd party anti-virus and firewall you installed has an icon on the public/desktop? Why in the **** would I want to share that?
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Update: I finally gave up on Vista and installed XP (against the advice of MS and HP) HP tech support helped me round up the correct drivers, and now it is a great gaming box. The only part I haven't got working yet is the mic, but I haven't spent much time on that.
The difference in performance is like night and day, the game runs smoothly and FRs are consistant. Getting rid of Vista also cured the "don't move controls so rapidly" error I was getting as well as the lock-ups.
I still think there is a code compatibility issue with AH / Vista as none of the other games I downloaded would freeze up or give me problems with J.S.
If anyone is going to ditch Vista and go to XP on a new machine just make sure that you have another PC to use to download the correct drivers. 1 of the incompatibilities was the PCI Controller which killed my network card (+ vidcard) so I couldn't go online to get the new drivers.
If you are running a HP PC the tech support recommends against ditching Vista, but they will help you locate the drivers for your hardware.
CYA UP
Targut :)
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I just discorvered this. Under windows Vista, multicore processors, if u have file shariring enabled, you can get a feedback loop with programs trying to access the same registry address. Can reallly make your day bad.
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Just got a new computer with Windows Vista. AH seems to run great to what I was using but found a couple of problems. I can't seem to get views to zoom in or out. Also tilde key doesn't work to change size of message window. I have changed the key for the message window but doing to same doesn't seem to work for zooming. Any ideas?
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I am not able to get the Tilde key to work either. quite aggrivating when one is talking crap..lol The mice work, and I get good frame rates, but it has been a struggle. only issue I am having now is the updater is hosed. so I will have to reload I guess, and then retweak this thing.:furious
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Had to upgrade to vista (new PC). All seems to be working OK except for the "tilde" key as well for the message window. I've remapped it to the "*" key on the keypad and that seems to work now.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Looks like all the issues I am having with Vista will be addressed in SP1 when it comes out first quarter of 2008. We shall see.
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this helped me alot, give it a shot
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2110595,00.asp
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No, that is not going to help the problems I am having with Vista. Many of the SP1 fixes are for the exact problems I am having.
Vista is NOT streamlined out of the box. It takes alot of work to get it streamlined.
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Well
they are about 100 hotfixes out and yes they are part of the soon to be released service pack in 2 weeks
http://www.vistasp1.net/
but I'm sure you've been here, maybe some others will benefit.
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I'm told my vox is really breaking up as well transimitting either on range or channel. Tried tuning to myself and can't seem to recreate the problem. However, watching recorded film, my captured vox is very choppy.
2nd, other players vox comes in different when they are in tower vs. when they are airborne. When in tower they come in with higher fidelity. When airborne some of the vox comes in more garbled and as if part of the audio spectrum has been filtered out.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Skuzzy,
Take a look at this:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb727037.aspx
Specifically, the bit about Simple File Sharing.
It might help.
Ernie
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Bingolong! Your link makes me very happy. My warping has subsided. Thanx!!!:aok
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Originally posted by ernie2
Skuzzy,
Take a look at this:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb727037.aspx
Specifically, the bit about Simple File Sharing.
It might help.
Ernie
Ernie, that is a pretty simple workgroup setup, but does not work for my installation as Vista has stopped showing itself on the local arena network, but more importantly, it will not list itself for any network. I can open up the local network and nothing is listed.
SP1 is scheduled to be out sometime in the first quarter of 2008.
And Binglong, that URL you provided has not been updated since April of 2007. It does not appear to be an active site as there have been many, many more fixes added to SP! since then. As a matter of fact, the list appears to be the standard list of updates you get when you use the "Automatic Updater".
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Wonder what I am doing differently?
I have not tweaked the default installation of Vista; I have no errors and performance issues. For a while I had a dual booting PC with XP and Vista, I have noticed NO difference in game play.
The only thing I had to do was minimize ACES and to tell the Windows Security Center to unblock Aces and allow the game to play. I am not using compatibility mode either. I have not turned off services. It is the install “right out of the box”.
Default keyboard settings, joystick everything works just like XP. Vox works as well and also teh tidle key.
My machine is a custom 2 year old Custom built.
AMD 2.21 64 bit (not a dual core) CPU
2GB of system memory
Nvida Video card Geforce 7600 w/512 MB of Video ram
I even run the Windows side bar a CA Internet Security suite and at times iTunes while playing Aces
I suspect that many of the perforce issues are indeed ram; most factory built computers (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc) use a slice of system memory for Video memory. I would recommend getting a decent Video card with its own memory.
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I have known a long time of this feature but I just havent tested it, until now.
ReadyBoost (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/readyboost.mspx)
And it actually works. And it helps A LOT.
computer 1, Vista ultimate: 512mb USB memory, helps a little, overall speed feels faster.
Laptop, Vista Enterprise (HP NX9420 with 2gb RAM): 1GB SD memory card from my camera. Overall speed feels a LOT faster and smoother.
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Originally posted by 1azbaer
Wonder what I am doing differently?
Built my new comp last year, initially installed XP Pro then the Vista upgrade, only problem I had was loading XP with 2 gig Ram on board, removed one, finished install, added second stick. Haven't had a problem with X52 or mic or tilde. Even with all background services running and all 3 comps on network, frame rate( limited by Samsung 22" to 60 FPS ) never drops below 58.
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And yet Microsoft is jumping through hoops trying desparately to get Vista performance closer to what XP was. It is one of the major reasons why SP1 for Vista is being held up. Not to mention the 4 or 5 hundred critical problems in Vista they are trying to fix as well.
If you have no performance differences between Vista and XP, all it means is your XP installation was poorly done. Even Microsoft acknowledges that now.
And no, you do not need to run the game in compatibility mode for a single core AMD CPU, but you do with a dual core AMD CPU.
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All vista problems, past, present, and future, can be solved by a purchase of windows XP. Vista home basic and premium both were so secure that a old copy of windows 98 took it off like it wasn't even there.
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I must be doing something wrong because Vista Ultimate works fine for me. The Dreamscene option works too but I cant get online with AHII without shutting it off first. I just had to try that and it didnt let me down locking up. I did have to upgrade my soundcard from SB LIve to the X-fi Xtreme. The mic boost option is hidden in control panel now instead of on the toolbar where it used to be and the X-Fi update for XP also installs Vista drivers which kills the mic boost in XP because you cant find it anywhere. I would like to add more memory now but I am using Corsair PC3500 433Mhz and it cant be found anymore. I dont like to mix memory so adding PC4000 seems like taking a chance on wasting my money. Vista runs fine as it sits now and AHII still gives me 60fps just like XP did. I am planning on adding two 8800 GTs next and then its on to a new motherboard for a second system.
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It just means you were doing more wrong in XP than you are doing in Vista, but give it time. It will get more corrupt than your XP installation did.
I have only run into bout 100 of the bugs out of the 500 or so, Microsoft says they have fixed in SP1. Not all of them show up instantly. It just takes some time.
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where do i go to view my screenshots with vista? on my xp they would be in the Aces High II folder under Program Files but on my vista there not there:confused:
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,228646.0.html talks about how Vista can hide things.
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i got a problem with warping
when i got my vista about a week ago i noticed everyone warped every 30 seconds or so.
any way to fix this?
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/Pannono/ahss18.jpg)
here is my net status
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Brand new computer, running Vista Premium. Weird little bugs, like the AH prog will lock totally after running fine for hours, have to ctrl+alt+del out. In XP this would actually lock the computer hard which needed a power-off reboot. Guess I'm moving up in the world?
Everything is so new now, and with 7 pages of stuff here to go thru it'll be quite a while getting caught up, but basically it runs ok, but not smooth. Good framerate, (I'm used to 7-10 fps! Now up to 30 whoohoo!), but it's just not smooth. Rolling wings from left to right, there is a perceptable, if not small, stuttering.
Also, after the program starts acting up the computer has to be rebooted to clear it, nothing else seems to work. Almost like some resource is being eaten up, but it doesn't show in task manager. Beats me, I hate learning a new OS :cry
More as all this congeals.
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i got a problem with warping
when i got my vista about a week ago i noticed everyone warped every 30 seconds or so.
any way to fix this?
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/Pannono/ahss18.jpg)
here is my net status
You just need to take a lot of time to clean up the background processes. If you get them down to around 35 or so. There are a couple of major CPU hogs in Vista. The Aero interface,Super Fetch, and its brother ReadyBoost will suck the resources dry in Vista.
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Brand new vista machine. Dual core Intel 2 ghz with 2gbddr and an ati1650 with 512 minute of ddr on it. 320gbhd. I have turned off defender, firewall, autoupdate and only have ah2 on it so far. Just got it Wednesday night. Was used to fr in the low 60s and got to the teens in a big fight with my old pc. Now I get fr at 74 75 no matter where I go. I get an occasional dip in fr to the upper 60s. This was one night for hours in main arena . If I give the os a diet will I see better fr? Surely titanic tuesday will be the real test.
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New system,vista home premium 64 bit. Have a problem with mic,with boost,it seems to have some background noise.If I turn boost off the noise goes away but mic volume is way to low.
I'm using onboard sound,for now,installed sp1,finally got mic to work,sort of,atleast vista says it's configured.I'm still having a background noise with boost enabled. Anyone know of a fix???
BTW saitek X52 profiler doesn't load to vista,they have a beta patch that seems to allow use of profiler,but the 3d graphix are gone and with it the ease of use.
I've used ingame JS setup and configured almost everything as before,although I can't seem to get AH2 to "see" the scroll wheel on the throtle,ot should be button 32 but for some reason the game doesn't "see" it.One other thing,I cant assign anything to my mouse button on throtle either.
If anyone has answers to these problems I would appreciate the help......
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Morph,
I have a newer box that came with Vista, I gave up and went to XP. The only thing I had a lot of trouble getting to work was the mic. I also have onboard sound <HP>. I finally went to the control panel and turned mic volume to almost nothing, then in AH I turn it up in game. It is understandable although from time to time it will get "echo" and I have to use the .resetv command. You probably already know that you can tune to your own CPID on vox and hear yourself for tuning.
Good Luck!!
CYA Up
Targut
=GHOSTS= You Will Believe
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Thx Targut,will give it a try....
1 other thing I noticed, seems like at 3000 AGL I lose all the terrain details,yes I have sliders set to max, Detail and 3 miles.Could this have something to do with the new rendering???
I'm considering setting up a dual boot setup,Vista and XP although this seems to have some issues too.... Gates needs a dual boot to the nads.....
What do you guys think??? dual boot setup or just scrap vista and install XP....
I await all suggestions.....
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Consider Microsoft has already announced a replacement for Vista coming in the next 12 months I would not bother with Vista.
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You just need to take a lot of time to clean up the background processes. If you get them down to around 35 or so. There are a couple of major CPU hogs in Vista. The Aero interface,Super Fetch, and its brother ReadyBoost will suck the resources dry in Vista.
fixed but thank you though :salute
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Skuzzy,
SP1 is out, just wondering if you have an opinion on it(other than to avoid Vista at all costs). I almost hate to do the install as my comp has been rock solid.
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The MIcrosoft Update will not allow our Vista box to install SP1. Let me explain. When I go to "Microsoft Update", there is no SP1 available for our Vista box, so I cannot tll you if it fixes anything or not.
I habe reported the problem to Microsoft, but have not heard of any resolution.
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Iv'e been working with Wonder a bit trying to get his Vista turd to behave and I knew you could run a DXDIAG on XP, but I wanted to try it on mine before I told him to run it on his and email it to you. An error popped about DirectShow and of course windows said that I should install the SP1 as it fixes that error. I just ran DX again and had it bypass the DirectShow and it worked. I'll have him send you his report to look at.
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Many NVidia drivers will blow up in DirectShow.
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Users can also scratch vista all together and install shadow copy of windows 2000 on a different hard drive.
This will require 2 hard drive machine, and will make it run so much better.
Install Hard drive in secondary master, or if its SATA dont worry about it. Obtain Disk for windows 2000, and please people make sure its legal. *sarcasm added.
Now lay the CD in and reboot computer, if the computer simply boots to vista then you have to change the BIOS settings of your computer, if you know my number call me, or send me a PM and I can help you on this.
Once the welcome screen appears, simply go through the steps. However make sure that you have the second hard drive installed before proceeding I take no responsibility for your actions on this one. The boot screen will appear and finally will ask you where you would like it installed Choose your drive, Usually D, for most computers however make sure that you already know the Gigabyte Size of the Drive, or MB size as well 1024MB = 1GB so use a calculator if necessary for larger or similar drives.
Now intall vista. When your screen comes up now there will be a change, the computer will ask you which operating system you would like to boot into. Windows 2000, or Windows Vista. Simply select windows 2000, install your drivers, and game software and whala your back to a clean version of windows 2000 on a Vista machine. Twice the Processing power but very little resources used. By the way, do the Microsoft windows updates before installing any drivers and make sure that you dont install anti-virus or firewall software as this will slow it down dramatically, just dont let the kiddos or yourself surf those questionable websites.
Now, for some users who want to try this on 1 hard drive, this can be tricky and I encourage you to install multiple Operating Systems 1 for the game and 1 for every day life, however I warn you using partition editors, and other hard drive thingy softwares have bugs in them and can lead to disaster, however it can be done and its how I did it back in the olden days, about 10 years ago. So read the instruction manual before proceeding and if lost do not expirement if you have vital data, no telling how many times I have been on housecalls becuase someone did not use the Help Files.
Enjoy and Send me Feedback.
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Got Vista and everything runs fine...except for major warping.
I'm guessing it's background processes.
I'm running off a plane-jane vanilla set-up. What're the biggest memory hogs in the default out-of-the-box set-up?
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Zarkof:
Read Skuzzy's report on disabling unneeded processes,there's plenty to shut down I think you can get vista down to 30-35 processes.
may take some time to do and looking around to find it all isn't much fun,but will be worth it.
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The worst offenders is the Aero desktop, ReadyBoost and SuperFetch.
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Just as a quick note, I have just setup my computer to run a dual Vista boot, one for general use with all the virus protections and Vista niceties, the other for CAD/CAM programs and AH. The one for clean one has only essentials, no virus or other protections, with IE set for maximum security.
Seems to work well, but unless you are comfortable with the tech stuff and disciplined in running scans manually, I wouldn't suggest it.
Dasher
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I tried Scuzzy's suggestions and managed to get a somewhat decent performance with just a half-assed attempt to cut down on the number of services running.
The default, out-of-the-box number of services was a horrid 65! I cut it down to somewhere in the mid-40's and things ran alright. If I try to get it down to the 30's, it should be okay, I should think.
I'm just annoyed that this is necessary. Win98 worked just fine with the minimum of fiddling. And now, with a more "sophisticated" operating system, I suddenly have to lift up the hood and get my hands dirty? It seems to be counter to the whole philosophy of why sophisticated operating systems exist.
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I tried Scuzzy's suggestions and managed to get a somewhat decent performance with just a half-assed attempt to cut down on the number of services running.
The default, out-of-the-box number of services was a horrid 65! I cut it down to somewhere in the mid-40's and things ran alright. If I try to get it down to the 30's, it should be okay, I should think.
I'm just annoyed that this is necessary. Win98 worked just fine with the minimum of fiddling. And now, with a more "sophisticated" operating system, I suddenly have to lift up the hood and get my hands dirty? It seems to be counter to the whole philosophy of why sophisticated operating systems exist.
Exactly.....
could be why M$ is coming out with windows 7 soon :rolleyes:
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What is Aero Desktop...it doesn't seem to be on my list of services.
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Simple question: what processes and/or services does ah2 need to work properly?
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Skuzzy, why would you want to set HID to manual or (worse yet) disable it? Isn't that what provides the tool for windows to use the CH programming software in addition to macro keyboards?
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I use System Suite 8 as my virus/firewall program. It has an option under Optimize called stat-up commander. It will tell you everything which is necessary w/ a check mark, optional with a little man figure, risky w/ a Dice, unwanted & known problems with a red exclamation point, unknown w/ a question mark. I disabled all dice after reading what they were and feeling sure they aren't applicable, the options, which did not seem to apply, were disabled as well. Exclamations were automatically disabled by SS-8 when I set it for gaming. AH runs better now, mostly, except one total lock-up & dark screen once, but my windows mail and windows tool bar are different in appearance now. Is this a clue that I changed something I should not have? :headscratch:
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An oldy but a goody. Recently ran into some glitches. Maybe a recent download. With Vista, who knows. But reread & carefully followed Skuzzy's advice and performance enhanced.
Thanks for he hard work Skuzzy :)
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Or replace Vista with windows 7...LOVE IT absolutely no issues. :aok :banana:
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Do we have a similar thread for Win 7?
I've got some things coming in, will be setting up Win 7 64 bit OS, and wanted to know what I need to look out for.
Does Win 7 still have the UAC for example? What else carries over from Vista, which I avoided entirely?
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Do we have a similar thread for Win 7?
I've got some things coming in, will be setting up Win 7 64 bit OS, and wanted to know what I need to look out for.
Does Win 7 still have the UAC for example? What else carries over from Vista, which I avoided entirely?
WIN7 X64Bit is awesome!! downloading the free window security option, & ping plotter is all I have now. Frame rates always above 75 and often 98 or better. Win7x64 likes video games, and has settings to conserve resources for gaming. I set up the video without anti-aliasing and almost never get that split screen thing(2 frames overlapping) & when I do it's usually something very fast like a prop, or at the start of the game when the CPU is working the hardest. I have no complaints about win7x64.