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Title: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Tr1gg22 on April 23, 2008, 10:16:12 AM
Just wonderin who is the best couple of aces u fought against either recently or at any time?  IMO Skyrock Skatsr And Creton. Had  1 on 1s with all of them but its been awhile..Those are the 3 that stik out in my mind :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Messiah on April 23, 2008, 10:20:09 AM
Not this thread again...  :furious
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on April 23, 2008, 10:25:21 AM
My top ten.

1. TheCBass
2. TheCBass
3. TheCBass
4. TheCBass
5. TheCBass
6. TheCBass
7. TheCBass
8. There is no number 8
9. TheCBass
10. That numbers guy
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Lusche on April 23, 2008, 10:45:41 AM
1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on April 23, 2008, 10:47:59 AM
1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000


you made #10 up, there is no such person ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Shuffler on April 23, 2008, 10:48:12 AM
1. 598789
2. 895630
3. 101034
4. 478989
5. 282828
6. 137578
7. 952000
8. 698515
9. 126458
10. 999000



Number 10 has no imagination... just 2 numbers  :P
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: NHattila on April 23, 2008, 10:52:32 AM
Zoozoo. Zachary7.

SQUUUUEEEEEEEEEEKKKK!!!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: waystin2 on April 23, 2008, 10:53:53 AM
Ugh.  Like some of these folks need their cartoon egos stroked some more. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on April 23, 2008, 10:54:30 AM
Ugh.  Like some of these folks need their cartoon egos stroked some more. :rolleyes:

Its not my ego that wants strokin :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: waystin2 on April 23, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
Its not my ego that wants strokin :D

 :rofl Your barking up the wrong tree here c(Sea)Bass! :rofl

<Salute>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: betty on April 23, 2008, 04:33:59 PM
my 10 aces in no special order


1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx

lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: uptown on April 23, 2008, 04:34:41 PM
lazor and pawz
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: whiteman on April 23, 2008, 04:37:01 PM
Two that I'm sure to do die to every time are Mtnman and Saber.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Furball on April 23, 2008, 04:40:37 PM
I think i used to enjoy fighting shane the most, fun fight and then his humour cracked me up.  Stang is awesome but it breaks my heart when i have to shoot him down because i love him so.  :cry
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 23, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
Barbossa is definitely one of the best.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: LTARadio on April 23, 2008, 04:52:32 PM
No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.

LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Pannono on April 23, 2008, 04:52:39 PM
TwinTail also a great pilot
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on April 23, 2008, 04:53:47 PM
No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.

LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp


 :rofl :rofl

I love a good joke.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: betty on April 23, 2008, 04:55:21 PM
No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.

LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp



mmmmmmmmmmm....who r these guys??? noobs????  :D

i luv ma LTAR boyz! *huggies*
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 23, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
I only dogfight myself  :cool:
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Shuffler on April 23, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
WOOOHOOOO three of the 80th get mention...

corkyjr
laser
pawz

:)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: LTARadio on April 23, 2008, 05:21:28 PM
We love you to, Betty.  ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: thedudee95 on April 23, 2008, 05:35:13 PM
TOP 10 WOULD BE:

1.ME
2.NOT U
3.NOT U
4. GUESS WHO!
5.NOT U
6.SOME SQUEEKER
7.?
8.?
9.?
10.ALL OF U!


THEDUDEE OWNZ ALL  :D :D :D :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Widewing on April 23, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 23, 2008, 05:55:16 PM
I don't know the top ten, but I know the 80th is holding down the bottom 16 slots :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: wetrat on April 23, 2008, 05:58:33 PM
my 10 aces in no special order


1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx

lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)
Kermit, corky and shawk suck.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 23, 2008, 06:18:04 PM
Well, this is something that has been posted before but there are new stiks out there getting good and the old ones dont play anymore, so it would be hard to say.

I heard theres a group of them out there somewhere.......... that stay in touch......





 :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Slash27 on April 23, 2008, 06:51:42 PM
I only dogfight myself  :cool:

You'll go blind.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 23, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
:rofl :rofl

I love a good joke.
So you laugh at yourself,  is this what you are trying to convey to us?    How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 23, 2008, 06:54:27 PM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing
I gotta go with this as well.   Drex is the best I've ever seen.   Damn good guy.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DoNKeY on April 23, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
Kermit, corky and shawk suck.

No need to bag on my CO, dan, and kermit is a nice guy also.

donkey
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 23, 2008, 07:01:24 PM
SHawk is also a great guy and a darn good stick.

So you laugh at yourself,  is this what you are trying to convey to us?    How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?  

^^^^i love this guy (in a straight way)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Messiah on April 23, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Halo46 on April 23, 2008, 07:14:26 PM
The next ten pilots I merge with.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 23, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
i say me and umm me again and me some more
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 23, 2008, 07:34:55 PM
Kermit, corky and shawk suck.


I can't speak for the other two, but darn right I suck.  Darn proud of it too!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Strip on April 23, 2008, 07:40:08 PM
i say me and umm me again and me some more

Bip....dont break your arm patting your self on your back.

Strip
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: effect on April 23, 2008, 07:45:26 PM
is this an offer to DA?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: reddeamon on April 23, 2008, 07:59:34 PM
I'am the Beast i can ho the rest. 
:rock
:devil
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: nopoop on April 23, 2008, 08:01:31 PM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing

Couldn't have said it better WW.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bucky73 on April 23, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Just look at the score's page....

Isn't it obvious? :rofl
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 23, 2008, 09:47:09 PM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing

+1
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DoNKeY on April 23, 2008, 10:31:45 PM
I can vouch for barbie being one hell'va stick as WW said.  My one goal in AH right now is to get good enough to beat him two times in a row, becuase once would just be a fluke. ;)  Sadly, we all know that is never going to happen. :aok

donkey
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: narsus on April 23, 2008, 10:33:11 PM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing

Couldn't have said it better also up there from way back...hoolgn, SiloFT was a damn good stick as well.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: angelsandair on April 23, 2008, 10:35:49 PM
1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy


 :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 23, 2008, 10:40:54 PM
nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
wmaker?  Fin lover!  BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 23, 2008, 10:48:51 PM
drex
lev
nath
barb
creede

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 23, 2008, 11:17:52 PM
So you laugh at yourself,  is this what you are trying to convey to us?    How are those 10 fighter sorties doing?   

LOL!  I was gonna give the poor kid a broadside but I think you did a bang up job!


ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on April 23, 2008, 11:20:04 PM
You love me!  You really love me!

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Slash27 on April 23, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
You love me!  You really love me!

-- Todd/Leviathn

Will you sign my yearbook? :pray
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 23, 2008, 11:22:05 PM
Kermit, corky and shawk suck.


You sound a little bitter there wetvermin.  Bummed those guys were mentioned and you weren't?  



ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 23, 2008, 11:25:16 PM

You sound a little bitter there wetvermin.  Bummed those guys were mentioned and you weren't?  



ack-ack

errmm welll

nathbdp, lev, wetrat, stang, wmaker, apar, most BK's.
:noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: dhyran on April 24, 2008, 02:51:57 AM
the best Ace is my Wingman  :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: klingan on April 24, 2008, 03:11:03 AM
the best Ace is my Wingman  :aok


Im just waiting until you get drunk so i can shoot you down again  :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: sunfan1121 on April 24, 2008, 04:31:43 AM
1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy


 :aok
All bish names, and everyone knows bish have never been good at anything. :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SD67 on April 24, 2008, 05:00:55 AM
<= Is an ace at dying :p
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Nilsen on April 24, 2008, 05:04:43 AM
My stat page sais top ten is:

Wirble
Panzer
Ship gunner
La7
Niki
IL2
B24
Ostwind
Spixteen
Pee51


No idea who drives them
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SD67 on April 24, 2008, 05:05:52 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Noir on April 24, 2008, 05:09:59 AM
1. Jerkins
2. JunkyII
3. Vanscrew (hey he pretty good)
4. Airfool
5. 5pointoh (when I was knit as Plus44)
6. Dr7
7. Saantana
8. Widewing (yes, I have fought you before)
9. CRZYHORS
10. Spacy


 :aok

Except VC and Widewing you must be joking right ?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mensa180 on April 24, 2008, 09:04:41 AM
Based on only the people I have fought, in no particular order...

Barbossa
Dedalos
Stang
SkyRock
Murdr
Lazer


I have never fought Drex or Levi, but apparently they are very good.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: zoozoo on April 24, 2008, 09:14:26 AM
1-mus51
2-twintail
3-airmess
4-bipolar
5-lynx
6-atti11a
7-laver
8-pawz
9- adonai
10-zoozoo
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: waystin2 on April 24, 2008, 10:25:57 AM
All bish names, and everyone knows bish have never been good at anything. :D

Can't speak to the other names Sunfan, but JunkyII is a PIG and we only fly Knight. 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: IronDog on April 24, 2008, 10:50:46 AM
I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane

Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Noir on April 24, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
1-mus51
2-twintail
3-airmess
4-bipolar
5-lynx
6-atti11a
7-laver
8-pawz
9- adonai
10-zoozoo


cmon zoo I pwn you :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 24, 2008, 11:48:53 AM
everyone pwns me  :cry :cry
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Messiah on April 24, 2008, 12:31:19 PM
wmaker?  Fin lover!  BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok

He's the best 109 pilot I've fought that's currently playing besides me and a couple others.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Messiah on April 24, 2008, 12:33:14 PM
nvm
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Rich46yo on April 24, 2008, 12:36:25 PM
I could probably name the 100 best but not the 10 best.

Truth is there are quite a few guys who are really, really good at this game. We got some Rooks who are 1 man slaughter houses. Ive seen them clear out a sector of enemy planes almost on their own.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 24, 2008, 12:41:32 PM
in no order

Lev
shane
skyrock
dutchie
stang
fester
drex
barb
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Shane on April 24, 2008, 12:56:53 PM
Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.

I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage. 

I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.

6v1 is *not* a furball!!

 :noid

I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane

Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: IronDog on April 24, 2008, 01:12:02 PM
Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.

I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage. 

I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.

6v1 is *not* a furball!!

 :noid

I agree with your statement,and I got the gaggles that you fought mixed up as furballs!
IronDog

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Whitey33 on April 24, 2008, 01:20:18 PM
wmaker?  Fin lover!  BK's are old school dorks BTW! :aok

What´s wrong with Finn lovers? I love Finns :aok

BTW Wmaker is really good.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: LLogann on April 24, 2008, 01:46:08 PM
In no particular order.....

DadsGuns
nikOmon
Wingnutt
Bonz1
FALCON23
DAGO
DCCBOSS
minke
gblade30
BMWgs

(The best pilots in the game are not the flat out, drop-dead killers......  But rather the pilots who rub off skill and knowledge onto others!)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 24, 2008, 01:46:42 PM
very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.

2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: tatertot on April 24, 2008, 01:48:05 PM
As everyone who plays reg knows im not a great fighter guy,wanna be just cant seem to get it down therefore id say

ANYONE NOT NAMED TATERTOT,AND OR ZIPECODE AREA 999000 :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 24, 2008, 01:51:33 PM
very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.

2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.

Bring it you crumpet!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 24, 2008, 01:59:24 PM
In no particular order.....

DadsGuns
nikOmon
Wingnutt
Bonz1
FALCON23
DAGO
DCCBOSS
minke
gblade30
BMWgs

(The best pilots in the game are not the flat out, drop-dead killers......  But rather the pilots who rub off skill and knowledge onto others!)

Skuzzy should PNG you for even saying those names
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: GooseAW on April 24, 2008, 02:12:02 PM
I have to split up my choices,because you have the furball type pilot,and then the E fighters..I won't use pickers,as that leads to arguements.Anyway heres a few I think are excellent,and in no certain order.
Drex
Leviathen
Greebo
Skyrock
Shane

Fester
Zazen
TwinBoom
KillnU
Lazer
Many others deserve to be on list,but these excellent pilots come to mind for me.
IronDog

I would agree more with this than any other lists I see here..too lazy to read any further. I would make a couple of changes though. The first 5 would definately be in my top 10 though. If I had the drive to get any better I would certainly ask these guys for help.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BlauK on April 24, 2008, 02:23:18 PM
What´s wrong with Finn lovers? I love Finns :aok

BTW Wmaker is really good.

Yup, he is good, but at the recent AH Spring Meet 2008 there were some 10 or more Finns who finished ahead of him in the 109G-2 dueling ladder ;)

Wmaker, no excuses.. don't even participate in this discussion ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 24, 2008, 02:56:22 PM
He's the best 109 pilot I've fought that's currently playing besides me and a couple others.
You must not be fighting the right people  :aok

I do think wmaker is a good stik though, even though he flies like a chump! :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 24, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
very easy to defeat almost everyone mentioned in this thread and alot of them are whiners when they lose and braggers when they win. If you want to proove me wrong find me in the DA. If i can beat you even once you are not the best though i would pedict i could beat alot of these guys 9/10 times.

2Bighorn comes close, i think he is the best dueler i know.

  :confused:
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Noir on April 24, 2008, 04:38:29 PM
I love the lobying threads  :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bosco123 on April 24, 2008, 05:03:41 PM
Top Ten:

between 1 and 2 its Lute and Dogg
3. most of the muppets :D
4.Greebo
5. SkatSR
6. VC.... :noid
7. Jerkins and dealdos
8. JensK....one of the best jug pilots i've seen
9. who knows
10. posibly me :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on April 24, 2008, 06:33:45 PM
In no specal order.

1. Fester
2. SkyRock
3. Lusche
4. Lynx
5. Fringe
6. Lute
7. ADgogg
8. Bearkats
9. Greebo
10. Falcon23  :noid :rofl
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Lusche on April 24, 2008, 06:36:39 PM
In no specal order.

3. Lusche


 :huh

 :rofl

You MUST be kidding...

I guess there are at least 50 guys  currently in game that could beat the crap out of me in a classical 1v1 co-alt co-E duel.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 24, 2008, 06:39:28 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

some of these names

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

topic should be best vulchers, or best pickers.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bronk on April 24, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Again, for emphasis.

1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 24, 2008, 06:51:41 PM
In no specal order.

1. Fester
2. SkyRock
3. Lusche
4. Lynx
5. Fringe
6. Lute
7. ADgogg
8. Bearkats
9. Greebo
10. Falcon23  :noid :rofl

Who is ADgoog?    Never heard of him and Widewing's post is still the one to beat.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: CAP1 on April 24, 2008, 07:00:32 PM
Just wonderin who is the best couple of aces u fought against either recently or at any time?  IMO Skyrock Skatsr And Creton. Had  1 on 1s with all of them but its been awhile..Those are the 3 that stik out in my mind :aok


geophro, wmm, oldman22, stickpig, are the ones that stick out in my mind in general 1-1 or 1-2 fights......geophro and wmm inparticular.......were awsome 1-1 fights.

<<S>>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SAS_KID on April 24, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
Why am I not on anyone's list. I helped these guys get their standing by being the prey. I must GET some credit. :aok








Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sir Francis Walsingham on April 24, 2008, 08:04:09 PM
I heard theres a group of them out there somewhere.......... that stay in touch......





 :noid

 :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: redman555 on April 24, 2008, 08:08:54 PM
Bipolar2
Vanscrew
4XTCH
LippyCH

gotta have the two fellow C-hawks that absolutely kick BOOTAY




- BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Husky01 on April 24, 2008, 08:11:37 PM
Some of these post are funny.  :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 24, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
Some of these post are funny.  :)
i know...mostly the ones with my name in them...hahaha
you think im joking but im not
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: lambo31 on April 24, 2008, 08:34:21 PM
There's too many Aces (people that kill me with little effort) too name. I can list some I would like to learn from easier.
The numbers are just for counting, not in order.

 1. Leviathn
 2. AKDogg
 3. Nomak
 4. WMlute
 5. Creton- even though I've spent countless hours in DA with him I still learn from him
 6. Skyrock
 7. Kamilyun
 8. Batfink
 9. Lynx
 10. Fester
 11. ElevenK
 12. there are others, just can't think off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: LYNX on April 24, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
Again, for emphasis.


I respect WW's opinion but I think it's fair to point out these guys don't play anymore.  Unless their here under another name.

Drex last tour Feb 04
Leviathn........Dec 06

Now that Furballs back I thinks he'll go straight in a top 10.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 24, 2008, 09:06:08 PM
I respect WW's opinion but I think it's fair to point out these guys don't play anymore.  Unless their here under another name.

Drex last tour Feb 04
Leviathn........Dec 06

Now that Furballs back I thinks he'll go straight in a top 10.

i fought lev a good 3 weeks ago....
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: LYNX on April 24, 2008, 09:15:14 PM
i fought lev a good 3 weeks ago....

I that case take it my hat has been eaten.  In my defence I can only assume he's back after a long absence.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 24, 2008, 09:19:36 PM
I that case take it my hat has been eaten.  In my defence I can only assume he's back after a long absence.
you are correct ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 8313jbx on April 24, 2008, 09:37:46 PM
not me :rock
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ShrkBite on April 24, 2008, 09:50:11 PM
1.Zip53
2.CofnCrnr
3.Vanscrew
4.Adonai
5.Shawk
6.UberSet
7.Bosco123
8.MadNiki
9. Dadsguns
10. Raddude  :rofl

dont mind the numbers, they just describe which one i though of first haha
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Noir on April 25, 2008, 03:14:17 AM

geophro, wmm, oldman22, stickpig, are the ones that stick out in my mind in general 1-1 or 1-2 fights......geophro and wmm inparticular.......were awsome 1-1 fights.

<<S>>


Who are those guys ???

None quoted SASKID, and seeing how he kicks bellybutton in koth he deserves to be on someones list, so here I go, in no particular order.

SASKID
m00t
Furball
Wmaker
Puujiko
Fariz
SkyRock
WMLute
TC
Jensk

And many more....<S>

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on April 25, 2008, 05:28:38 AM
Who is ADgoog?    Never heard of him and Widewing's post is still the one to beat.   

AKDogg sorry.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: CAP1 on April 25, 2008, 07:25:05 AM

Who are those guys ???


they're guys that i've run  into in the MW arena, and they actually fight......they don't..or at least didn't.....pick, or vulch, or gang-bang. they got down n dirty in some seriously fun knife fights.

<<S>>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: uberslet on April 25, 2008, 07:34:57 AM
Were to start?

1.SHawk
2.Ati11a
3.VansCrew
4.TwinTail
5.AKSketch
6.Joker2
7.
8.
9.
10.
Was hard enough finding those 6.....
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: IronDog on April 25, 2008, 09:20:54 AM
After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Stampf on April 25, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog

It is funny how it comes down to who you know, for sure.

I would trust Widewing's assesment and the gents who have been here to see it all.  For me,...the guys I have seen just totally owning the arena...lots, but Fester, and Dolfo(Killnu), and N7 certainly stand out.

Also, Barbossa (2Bighorn), and Widewing can do things in a virt. plane far and above the greater % of this crowd.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: dedalos on April 25, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
It is funny how it comes down to who you know, for sure.

I would trust Widewing's assesment and the gents who have been here to see it all.  For me,...the guys I have seen just totally owning the arena...lots, but Fester, and Dolfo(Killnu), and N7 certainly stand out.

Also, Barbossa (2Bighorn), and Widewing can do things in a virt. plane far and above the greater % of this crowd.

Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA.  He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.

Please make this a voting thread now.

YES 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DoNKeY on April 25, 2008, 09:55:43 AM
Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA.  He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.

Please make this a voting thread now.

YES 

Well then, you just admitted to yourself doing all of that, since barbie is after all your shade, yes?

donkey

 :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 10:04:09 AM
my 10 aces in no special order


1. leviathn
2. stang
3. yucca
4. kermit
5. corkyjr
6. yoda
7. blukitty
8. shawk
9. skyrock
10. fx

lots more but u only asked for 10 ;)

:(
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: waystin2 on April 25, 2008, 10:04:17 AM
There are just to many Pigs on the Wing to list.  :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: GooseAW on April 25, 2008, 10:10:52 AM
Bipolar2
Vanscrew
4XTCH
LippyCH

gotta have the two fellow C-hawks that absolutely kick BOOTAY




- BigBOBCH

Now my feelings are hurt. BTW Bigbob, you're fired!  :furious
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: NHattila on April 25, 2008, 10:13:15 AM
It seems like alot of the old aces don't play anymore, at least I don't see them since I came back a couple months ago after a 2 year break. Rarely see Fester, never see Shane, Levi(I used to fear spit V's), Drex and recently got to fly with Furball again, great to fly with an old squaddie again :).

So many new names to me have become fantastic sticks since I was away, I'm still learning from them :). I am suprised Lazer(mouse dweeb), m00t, Stang and Murdr don't get more mentions in these lists people have some up with. Either way, there are alot of great sticks out there and I don't think it's possible to come up with a top 10. Perhaps just a top 10 of those pilots you run into alot. S! all!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 25, 2008, 10:30:21 AM

The good sticks know who each other are, and that's all that really matters.  I just try to survive long enough to get at least one kill before I'm shot down myself.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 25, 2008, 10:42:43 AM
After seeing all these list of great flyers,it occured to me how many got left off of my list,Kappa,Fringe,AKdog,Delirium,and I could go on for a long time.At the same time I saw a few that I actually managed to beat one vs one,and I'm just a dweeb.It goes to show you how everyone has a different view on pilots abilities.I think we all would like to be as good as the pilots on the different list.
IronDog

Thats why WW's post is spot on.  There are probably 30-40 guys who fall in line behind Drex, Levi, etc who are all really, really good sticks and capable of smacking 95% of the MA population on any given night 1v1 or even 1v2.  Del is a good choice, I dont think anyone mentioned Soulyss yet.  Kappa, m00t, hell even SkyRock aint half bad.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 25, 2008, 10:43:59 AM
alright instead of laughing at some of these names i will try to participate

no particular order

Lazer
Panonno(Platanno)
AKdogg
storch
skyrock
Dedalos
Falcnwng

well i have not fought some of the other bigger names like
widewing
furball
fester
so cant say but i also know there are many very good sticks in AH
 i don't consider vulchers, pickers,  good fighters
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
Anybody can be a ace 1 day and then be crap the next.  Iron, most people don't like me because they think I cheat, pick, ho, vulch and can't fight a fair fight.  I do all them except cheat, but only on few occations.  I ho when ho'd upon.  Sometimes I end up ho'in some that don't ho only because the person just before did to me so I start.  I vulch when we are trying to take the field (Field suppression).  Pick, this I do quite often, mainly when a squady is introuble.  But isn't that what wingman are for?  I usually don't post in these type of topics because like I said before.  There is always someone better then u.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 12:28:41 PM
dogg dweebs his way to ace status.

he doesn't like his tatics used against him either.  :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 12:30:30 PM
lol, I don't run to ack like u.  U confuse me with others.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 12:31:04 PM
Only after you guys did it to me!

See above about not liking your tatics used against you :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 12:32:37 PM
like I said, I don't use that tactic.  U still confusing me with others.  When I logged on that night, U did most of the running.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 12:35:29 PM
still upset i was in a temp and your 4hog couldn't keep up?   :cry

i was just out to rile you up for picking me in some fights, guess it worked

  :rofl
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 25, 2008, 12:37:43 PM
heck to be an ace you need 5 killz

i got 400 this month :D

in fighter mode, considering thats all i fly in
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 12:38:56 PM
lol, I was laughing the whole time that night on vox to my squady's.  When I logged on they told me what u BS'in about.  So I hoped in my -4 and ran u down.  Just couldn't catch u in time as u got to your ack first.  Got within 800 of ya at 17k when u dove down.  Remember?  If I remember correctly to, U only killed me when I wa alrdy engaged with someone else.

As far as upset, far from it.  I was having fun that night with all the whines. :rofl :lol :devil
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 12:53:42 PM
oh man, good thing!  our vox was having a good laugh about you guys too!

You picked me, I came back to pick you.  Guess all's fair huh?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
yep, I very rarely take anything seriously.  Things I take seriously are accusation against my son or his actions in the game.  Anyone attacking my squad members abuseivly or anything like that.  Other then that, not at all. :salute
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Yeager on April 25, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
Dunce caps and corners for all!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 25, 2008, 03:24:07 PM
still upset i was in a temp and your 4hog couldn't keep up?   :cry

i was just out to rile you up for picking me in some fights, guess it worked

  :rofl
Try getting AKDogg in a Ki-61  1vs1.   Perk rides are for kids.    He dove in on me, not realizing my E management.   He went back up when he realized it, but not before I got him.

I have NEVER, I mean NEVER seen AKDogg run from a fight.   At least from my experiences.   If there were 6 guys in the vicinity of you 420ace, I could MAYBE see it.   But a 1 vs 1?   No way in Hell.   

<<S>> Dogg
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 25, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
Bah, barbossa is a hoing cherry picking lag dweeb that destroyed (with some help) the old DA.  He should be removed from your lists and dishonorably discharged (PNGed) from AH.

Please make this a voting thread now.

YES 

I've never had any problems with 2Bighorn and have always come out of our fights a better pilot regardless if I have won or lost.  Always manage to learn something new after reviewing our fights.  YMMV.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 25, 2008, 03:42:41 PM
I've never had any problems with 2Bighorn and have always come out of our fights a better pilot regardless if I have won or lost.  Always manage to learn something new after reviewing our fights.  YMMV.


ack-ack
dedalos is jealous of his shades mad skills, and concerning 420ace i have never seen akdogg run from a far fight either....
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 25, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
dogg dweebs his way to ace status.

he doesn't like his tatics used against him either.  :D


No offense, but AKDogg would kick your arse so fast in a 1v1 fight that' it's best you just stop the meager chest thumping.  Unless you like the taste of crow that is.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: dmdchief on April 25, 2008, 03:50:33 PM
Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.

I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage. 

I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.

6v1 is *not* a furball!!

 :noid


and if you evere see him in a f4u1a and he has his flaps out and wheels down, then the next thing you are going to see is the tower, he he he he
 SALUTE ------------YOU OLE' KILLER YOU
ab8aac/dmdchief/that damned ole trucker in his 18 wheeler
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 2fly on April 25, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
There are too many to list and I cant pull out 10 that truely stand above the rest.  the ones that come to mind as being exceptional are in no particular order.

1) Delierium (1 of the top 3 P38 drivers out there)
2) Raptor (1 of the top 3 P38 drivers out there)
3)  M00t
4)  LippyCH  (Best Ki-84 stick bar none)
5)  Saantana
6)  Jensk (Best Jug driver out there)
7)  Shawk (over all good in anything)
8 )  AKDogg  (P51 pro)
9) Fester

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 25, 2008, 04:07:06 PM



4)  LippyCH  (Best Ki-84 stick bar none)



:rofl :lol  My god son, you need to fight more people.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: jokeri on April 25, 2008, 04:29:43 PM
I'm biased but who aren't

1. put finn player name here
2. put finn player name here
3. put finn player name here
4. put finn player name here
5. put finn player name here
6. put finn player name here
7. put finn player name here
8. put finn player name here
9. put finn player name here
10. put finn player name here

Yeah, were that good.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 25, 2008, 04:48:34 PM

8)  AKDogg  (P51 pro)



I no p51 pro.  U may have me mixed up with AKDG.  F4U-1 is my baby.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 2fly on April 25, 2008, 05:02:54 PM
Maybe so, but you have blasted me in a pony before I am sure.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 25, 2008, 07:25:11 PM
when im in my hurri i very rarely lose 1vs 1  in MA,
, AKdogg took me twice in a row in his -1, although the first round i did hit him first, just not enough to kill him!!

he is a great stick, and from what ive learned recently a great guy!!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: jon on April 25, 2008, 07:57:41 PM
was flying one night (or day ) phone rang(was my boss, who is also my very good friend.) i put my plane in auto climb. btw there was a f4u-1 on my tail.on 200 there was a few auto climb complaints by a certain player.I typed back i'm on the phone . I was shot down when i reversed. no big deal after he and i had a conversation all was understood an  :aok. I reupped an f4u1-d and went looking for that person. soon to find a p51 and an f4u. aftre engaging the p51 the f4u stayed away I shot down the p51 in a great fight! it was AKDG. The f4u Pilot said ok are you ready and i said ok lets go! He shot me down. But he did not cherry pick me <S>AKDogg
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: kilz on April 25, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
No such thing as top 10...just the top 18.

LTARmoil ,LTARadio, LTARaptr, LTARazor, LTARcase, LTARcnuk, LTARdude, LTARglok, LTARgrif, LTARhntr, LTARifle, LTARmac, LTARogue, LTARsoup
LTARsqrl, LTARstud, LTARumbl and LTARwasp


hmmmmmm you must still be new to the LTAR's.

One LTARcase has never played the game. he is just the Squads nerd sort of.

LTARdude is retired

LTARwasp can hardly log on due to over work load at home.

the rest are ok sticks. well at lest the ones i know.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: kilz on April 25, 2008, 08:22:45 PM
as far as my top 10.

Lambo and i always have fun when we get the chance to fight each other.
joey04 and i always have fun when we fight each other.
my squadies in the DA thats always a blast.
UPTOWN in his pony, only had a couple of fights with him but was a blast and a long arse fight.


thats all i can think about right now.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 25, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
as far as my top 10.

Lambo and i always have fun when we get the chance to fight each other.
joey04 and i always have fun when we fight each other.
my squadies in the DA thats always a blast.
UPTOWN in his pony, only had a couple of fights with him but was a blast and a long arse fight.


thats all i can think about right now.

and 2 of those pilots you said i trained
hahahahaha

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 25, 2008, 08:43:14 PM
I've never claimed to pwn dogg.  He and I were remembering when I got verbal on 200 about him picking and we smack talked each other.  i picked him in a temp after having to run from a fight were he had better E, I ran away, climbed out and came back the way he'd be rtb.  think he had 2 guys he was going vertical on and i nailed him at the top.

he is a very good stick!  <S>!

he was having to save other AK's from me and I thought he'd be the type to let a 1v1 play out, but i was wrong that night.

He picked me, I picked him.  no chest thumping, mostly just ruffled feathers.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: FALCONWING on April 25, 2008, 10:18:52 PM
There's too many Aces (people that kill me with little effort) too name. I can list some I would like to learn from easier.
The numbers are just for counting, not in order.

 1. Leviathn
 2. AKDogg
 3. Nomak
 4. WMlute
 5. Creton- even though I've spent countless hours in DA with him I still learn from him
 6. Skyrock
 7. Kamilyun
 8. Batfink
 9. Lynx
 10. Fester
 11. ElevenK
 12. there are others, just can't think off the top of my head.

while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...

some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)

let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok

i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 25, 2008, 10:58:03 PM
There are too many good sticks to justify only 10 slots.  Each day of the week that list will change depending on so many factors.  Many of the really good stick have a tendency to take extended breaks, and when they return, they're rusty as hell.  It doesn't take much time for them to start owning again however.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Husky01 on April 25, 2008, 11:03:43 PM
There are too many good sticks to justify only 10 slots.  Each day of the week that list will change depending on so many factors.  Many of the really good stick have a tendency to take extended breaks, and when they return, they're rusty as hell.  It doesn't take much time for them to start owning again however.   

What he said.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: FlyinFin on April 25, 2008, 11:05:13 PM
I'm biased but who aren't

1. put finn player name here
2. put finn player name here
3. put finn player name here
4. put finn player name here
5. put finn player name here
6. put finn player name here
7. put finn player name here
8. put finn player name here
9. put finn player name here
10. put finn player name here

Yeah, were that good.

This guy wins  :aok :O :rock
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: lambo31 on April 26, 2008, 01:22:59 AM
while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...

some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)

let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok

i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute

Well said.

There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76

and the list goes on.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 26, 2008, 01:28:34 AM
while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...

some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)

let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok

i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute


fine Falc im officially  taking you off my list  :P








naw   just kidding i do think you are one of the better sticks out there!!
   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sketch on April 26, 2008, 09:32:50 AM

I can't speak for the other two, but darn right I suck.  Darn proud of it too!
Your right there Cork! A real ace pilot can land in one piece!!   :rofl


<S>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bronk on April 26, 2008, 09:55:23 AM
while i dont know kamilyun or nomak and have never flown against levi...this is the only list i have seen in here that even comes close to accuracy...kappa would have to be there as well imho...and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...

some of the other lists are so far off the mark its embarrassing...i dont mean to be rude but if you are not a very strong stick yourself then you really dont know who is or isnt a good stick and should refrain from posting ;)

let me say it a different way and give a tip at the same time...."If you don't cut throttle every fight and drop flaps most of the time...then you dont know who is or isnt a good stick" :aok

i should add one thing...since i only fly bish i have no idea who the strong bish sticks are so my apologies that i haven't named any of my teammates or countrymen...i have nothing to go by to make an accurate judgement :salute
Don' forget manetmp.  :noid

*snicker*
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sketch on April 26, 2008, 09:56:52 AM
Anybody can be a ace 1 day and then be crap the next.  Iron, most people don't like me because they think I cheat, pick, ho, vulch and can't fight a fair fight.  I do all them except cheat, but only on few occations.  I ho when ho'd upon.  Sometimes I end up ho'in some that don't ho only because the person just before did to me so I start.  I vulch when we are trying to take the field (Field suppression).  Pick, this I do quite often, mainly when a squady is introuble.  But isn't that what wingman are for?  I usually don't post in these type of topics because like I said before.  There is always someone better then u.
I am usually that squady that he is saving, thus the only way I get to land kills.  :D  But as of late I have lost a lot of kills because of connection issues.  Think this tour alone I lost about 150+ kills to disco-fever...  :frown:  Oh well, about 10 more days and I wil be back in Wisconsin with a stable connection after 6+ years of crap connection.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Obie303 on April 26, 2008, 09:58:30 AM
Just like to add one name....JensK.  Amazing pilot in the Jug!

(I wish he had time to give me some pointers.)

Obie
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Tr1gg22 on April 26, 2008, 10:47:08 AM
Thanks for all the input everyone  :salute
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 10:58:16 AM
What Widewing said.

One small thing, though. Some players don't push as hard as they could. They're more after having fun than outright victory every single time... Food for thought.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 26, 2008, 11:17:37 AM
1. SHawk
2. SkyRock
3. Fester
4. m00t
5. BiPoLaR2
6. Lusche
7. Adonai
8. Barbossa
9. VIOLATER
10. Widewing

I haven't been around but for a year so I'm sure there are lots of others.  But these are the only ones ive ever faught/DAed/or Flown with.

#S#

Banshee7
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ghi on April 26, 2008, 11:19:39 AM
and too leave out blukitty seems silly as well...


DA doesn't define aces, but first person shooter and skills level : WW2 and MA kind of engagement were/are not 1 vs 1, same plane , CoE and co Alt  . 
 I agree with that, imop ManeTMP/BlueKitty  is overall the best fighter i've seen in this game in MA and KOH, (maybe not the best in DA,)  but the combination of skills,aggressiveness and amazing awareness and judgement analyzing and  engaging multiple tgts involved in a fight. I've seen  him and XJ killing 20-30 vulchers or missions in few minutes, and landing 30+ combined.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 26, 2008, 11:24:47 AM


One small thing, though. Some players don't push as hard as they could. They're more after having fun than outright victory every single time... Food for thought.


wow. someone who gets it!

:D

Urchin and I once had a conversation about Moot behind his back. We both agreed he was the absolute best out and out furballer in the game.
Title: I'm drunk, but...
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 11:33:26 AM
That's funny :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 26, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
The funny thing about lists like this, is they really don't mean a thing beyond name recognition.  Some of the names are of guys who haven't flown in a long time.  Some are of guys who are very visible in the arenas.  Some are of guys who end up on the front of the scores list.  Some are on there because of squad affiliation.  Who cares really?  We all know who we see as good sticks from our own experiences :)

In the end the lists don't really matter as long as folks are having a good time. :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 11:43:14 AM
No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun.  Not all of them will score the champion's belt.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 26, 2008, 11:53:53 AM
No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun.  Not all of them will score the champion's belt.

OK

Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH  :)

Not all of us have the time, energy or desire to be the bestest cartoon pilot.  I did that once back in airwarrior and I found it the most miserable time of my online flight sim 'career'. 

I figure now I can give most anyone a decent fight, but I'm not worried about it.  It's more fun for me that way.

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 12:10:06 PM
No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.

I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable.  It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight.  It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 26, 2008, 12:30:54 PM
3 names i didnt say...and i cant kill them to save my damn life

m00t
NOVA
kappa

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 26, 2008, 12:49:37 PM
No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.

I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable.  It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight.  It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.

LOL I should have put my sarcasm tag in there.  As near as I can tell that's the only bit where someone comes out on top as designated king of the hill.

I know Kappa is a good stick, I know lots of guys that are good sticks.  Anyone of them can win in a given situation and anyone of them can lose.

To try and designate who the best is, just seems pointless.  I would consider myself fair at best.  That there have been occasions where I've beaten guys who I would consider far better sticks says what?  That they're worse or I'm better?  Maybe I got lucky that day.  Maybe they were having an off day.  I don't know.  It doesn't matter as most times the response is <S> nice fight.

Is there a core group of AH sticks that in terms of 1 v 1 would rise about the rest?  Absolutely.  But then you'd better list your top 100.  Maybe define it by plane type?  How about fighting style?  In the end there are too many variables to consider in deciding who is the 'bestest cartoon pilot' in my opinion, and it's just that, an opinion :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 26, 2008, 12:53:23 PM
i was flying an la7 trying to BnZ these P38s one time and then suddenly a 38G comes up my rope a bit further than i expected and shoots me down. SYSTEM: CorkyJr shot you down.  he never going to let me live that one down!

 :mad:

that is what we play for, not that i am better than guppy or that guppy is better than me. we play for the fight and everyone is different.

S!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 12:56:03 PM
It's too easy to cop-out and say it's just your opinion Guppy.  I think there is a top 10 or top 20 of the best sticks. Determining it specificaly wouldn't have too many variables to narrow it down, it could be done.  But it'd be tedious.
:)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Guppy35 on April 26, 2008, 01:13:02 PM
It's too easy to cop-out and say it's just your opinion Guppy.  I think there is a top 10 or top 20 of the best sticks. Determining it specificaly wouldn't have too many variables to narrow it down, it could be done.  But it'd be tedious.
:)

We'll agree to disagree :)

Maybe the better question is, which pilots do you know when they meet you 1 v 1 are going to stay around and fight til the end win or lose and will leave you with a sore arm from bending the stick so long. :)

That would be an easier list for me to come up with.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: IronDog on April 26, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
We'll agree to disagree :)

Maybe the better question is, which pilots do you know when they meet you 1 v 1 are going to stay around and fight til the end win or lose and will leave you with a sore arm from bending the stick so long. :)

That would be an easier list for me to come up with.
Corky you are the most disagreeing pilot in AH!! ;)
IronDog
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 26, 2008, 01:42:33 PM
Guppy with all due respect, you're bending the criteria to the subjectivity of each pilot's tendency to get "a sore arm from bending the stick so long".  Shane made me sweat, other top pilots that I'd rank (a little) above him didn't.

There's an absolute quantification of killing, dogfighting ability that would grade pilots on a scale, and even if it's a tedious hair splitting matter, like I said, it's still a reality.  How good each "pilot" (:P) is, isn't about how easy it is to quantify them as such.  If it were though, it would make for a very crowd-pleasing conclusion.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 26, 2008, 04:36:01 PM
K, so who wants to go to the DA tonight?  :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SuperDud on April 26, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
I was the best once, then I got bored of beating up on all you poor saps and stopped caring. I do miss hearing skycrock cry after repeated beat downs though.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 26, 2008, 05:42:11 PM
my last fight with you was fun...the one where you at dirt  :O
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: kilz on April 26, 2008, 06:20:24 PM
Well said.

There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76

and the list goes on.

theres a very long list of very skilled sticks. waste of time to even try to post the list. thats why i only posted the ones that i have fun fighting. <S> bro
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: rod367th on April 26, 2008, 08:09:30 PM
Thx for the mention, but in all honesty, I'd have more considered myself an E-fighter unafraid to turn, than a furballer type.

I generally avoided the furballs and preferred to hunt alone or with another more on the edges and usually toward the base they were usng to stage. 

I only did sokay in massive furballs, preferring to blow thru and drag a few away for a mugging when possible.

6v1 is *not* a furball!!

 :noid






LOL  only pilot in my ah since beta, That has ever had 6 guys on him co alt. And when i asked if he nedded help. Answered no i'm fine, But thx for asking. so i stayed up at 10k filmed entire fight. His p51 against spit,la7 and 4 p51s. and shane beat all 6 in 5 mins time. I laugh and posted film on bbs. but 1 of they 6 guys whined about film and it got locked. Never heard anyone else with 3 or more on them say no i'm fine. Have helped others who are on some of these lists and go in kill all 3 guys on their 6 just to get swore at for not doing it inorder they wanted lol. Lastely I'd say fester best over all pilot, Only man ever to shoot all 3 of my bombers at 35k without dying { before 163's). And Kev367th and I would dare others to come up/ we would kill 7 -10 planes fly home. Also seen fest in a a20 fight 3 nikis that had alt they all lost.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 26, 2008, 08:12:38 PM
Fester is one of those who likes to take long breaks.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 26, 2008, 08:15:48 PM
Thanks for posting my name but,
i am average at my best. My smack talk is why everyone knows me. Not my skillz
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: daddog on April 26, 2008, 08:30:14 PM
Quote
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....
So true.
Not only that, I don't ever recall Drex whining when you shot him down. Nor insisting you fly a certain way. Or getting muted on 200. Or insulting people. He is a class act.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: redman555 on April 26, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
i know...mostly the ones with my name in them...hahaha
you think im joking but im not

y wouldent u be in the list Bipolar? u r seriously one of the best pilots i know in the game


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: saantana on April 26, 2008, 08:55:52 PM
I'm very surprised, pleasantly that my name came up. <S> 2fly but I do think I am match for most on these lists, having only six months experience.
I would like to share my mental list with the forum also.

1-Skopr0
2-Adonai
3-AKDogg
4-1olo
5-Greebo
6-Wingzero
7-Flcnwng
8-SHawk
9-LYNX
10-Vanscrew

I itched when i put no 10 in, but well I had to..
Skopr0 and 1olo are squadies with me. They are exceptional and have taught me most of what I know.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 26, 2008, 08:58:39 PM
So true.
Not only that, I don't ever recall Drex whining when you shot him down. Nor insisting you fly a certain way. Or getting muted on 200. Or insulting people. He is a class act.

They both were.  Years ago, I used to go to the DA with Levi a lot.  He was always a class act as well.  Perfectly willing to critique, providing the student was willing to listen.  Before I went on my 2 year AH vacation, and by the end of his little classroom sessions, the two of us used to split results almost 50/50, which either means that he A.) got tired of me asking to go to the DA and wanted to me to think that I was good enough to spread my own virtual wings or B.) He's a damned good teacher.  Probably a little of both with some emphasis on A.  ;)

I remember way back, though... who was it he used to fly with as a wingman constantly?  Honcho or Honch, maybe?  I know it began with an H.  The two of them were unstoppable in a furball.  Could have been 10v2 on the deck with no E and they'd still wax 8 of bad guys before the inevitable 51 or 190 showed up at just the right angle, speed and position to get hits.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sketch on April 27, 2008, 10:40:24 AM
...he was having to save other AK's from me...

Yeah, okay....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 27, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
I'm pretty sure his answer to me asking why he picked me was saving squaddies.  So, yes it is correct.   :salute
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sketch on April 27, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
I'm pretty sure his answer to me asking why he picked me was saving squaddies.  So, yes it is correct.   :salute
Never asked for his help.... He helps without asking, thus being a team player.  And if it was helping us, it was probably a numbers issue, kind of like the horde we attract.  Oh well, as you were... <S>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 27, 2008, 04:15:15 PM
Sketch is correct.  U had #'s on your side when I first logged in.  I jumped in when I saw 4 on 1, 1 being my squady.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on April 27, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Not quite how I remember it but you can believe what you want.  I wouldn't complain of a pick in a furball, I think he interupted a 1v1 I was winning.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.

I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable.  It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight.  It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ.  Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it.  So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :) 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 27, 2008, 07:11:59 PM
A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ.  Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it.  So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :) 


Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Sketch on April 27, 2008, 07:21:34 PM
Not quite how I remember it but you can believe what you want.  I wouldn't complain of a pick in a furball, I think he interupted a 1v1 I was winning.
SA
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 27, 2008, 07:37:29 PM
I was the best once, then I got bored of beating up on all you poor saps and stopped caring. I do miss hearing skycrock cry after repeated beat downs though.
:rolleyes:  You may have had your day with me or so, but no need in posting the reality, huh?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 27, 2008, 07:39:29 PM
A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ.  Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it.  So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :) 

I believe the KOTH winner has to have skills, but I've seen winners that were marginal at best.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 27, 2008, 07:53:33 PM
Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.

Well I am going to take that the wrong way.  As a KOTH CM and player, U have to have skillz to win the event.  When engaged with a 1 vs 1 and u see another coming in (SA) plan your evasive when he arrives.  If u don't see him, then I guess U need better SA.  When u the Wabbit in the event, U become a big target and usually have 3 on 1.  Some can win that, others can't.  There are the occasions where someone will less skill wins the event and reason for that is the others concentrate on the bigest threat and forget about the less threat.  That person ends up in a 1 vs 1 fights and probably wins it.  I have seen it happen, but not often.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 08:08:33 PM
Please dont take this the wrong way murdr, but honestly to say winning a Koth amounts to skill is complete fiction. There are many ways to skirt fights, cherry pick, ho etc your way to the end of a round. Im not making a comment on your film as you did act with tact in those fights, but when someone flies in to a 1 on 1 with an excess advantage only to ho one of the other pilots, I dont care how much sa you have you cant always avoid someone when they want to be the 1337 Koth winner.
I could be mistaken, but I dont recall seeing you at any of the 4 ToCs?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DEAR98 on April 27, 2008, 08:22:38 PM
1.HTC
2.Trainers
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 27, 2008, 08:26:40 PM
I could be mistaken, but I dont recall seeing you at any of the 4 ToCs?
Im not making a commentary on the TOCs as more about koth in general which i have attended numerous times.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: humble on April 27, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
I tend to stay out of these threads...

From its most simplistic point WW is right on....I think those two have set an almost impossibily high standard over a long eriod of time.

However,

Going beyond that the only real barometer over time is KOTH...

While turnout varies month in and month out you have consistant baseline of "Talent". Winning a single round is a considerable acomplishment a person can be proud of. To go beyond that and become a "rabbit" basically puts a target on your back and "amps up" the pressure. To actually win a KOTH event is no small feat and by itself signifies a pilot who can win repeatedly vs quality opponents on a level playing field. To be a multiple KOTH event winner speaks to a level of consistancy few achieve and to win the TOC speaks volumes...

IMO if you really want an answer of who's "best" look for both a KOTH TOC and 1 or more event wins over all 4 years.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 08:29:16 PM
Again, in plain English (I hope).  Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ.  That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?).  Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame?  I asked for someone to back that up?  All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".

Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?

You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 08:30:57 PM
A: I don't believe the thread title specified the best "dueler" of Aces High.
B: Being great 1v1 isn't all that impressive if they don't know how manage SA in a multiple threat environment in the context of "Aces High"
C: Dan mentioned the reigning KoTH ToC champ.  Which by the way, only takes place once a year, and you have to earn an invitation to participate in it.  So to follow up with your comments, I'd like to know which of the ToC (flyboy, myself, blukitty, kappa) winners do not belong on a 'list'?
D: Here's a KoTH film (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/kothclip.ahf) that I posted last year, please point out the 'dishonorable' fighting of the round winner :) 

A - no
B - neither, but obviously not what I mean
C - KOTH doesn't happen often enough and isn't anymore an absolute measure of "skill" than 1:1 dueling.  I wouldn't put any winner of KOTH on a top sticks short list just because he won KOTH.
D - Murdr that KOTH had how many players?  It's as good as a 1:1 tournament.  The only difference is attrition by damage.  It doesn't prove anything anyway about 1:1 vs. furballing as measures of skill.


Well I am going to take that the wrong way.  As a KOTH CM and player, U have to have skillz to win the event. 
You don't have to be the best 'skillz' to win KOTH. You do have to have the best skillz to win a 1:1.  Aggregate 1:1 tournament would be a better measure of skills.  KOTH has its novelties, but it has flaws I doubt you guys could fix..
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Again, in plain English (I hope).  Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ.  That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?).  Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame?  I asked for someone to back that up?  All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".

Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?
Wrong premise and wrong conclusion. I'm surprised you could be this wrong, Murdr. I didn't "dismiss it out of hand", I said it was such as I said for reasons I explained.
In italics: your interpretation, also wrong.. Don't be ask me to explain things I didn't say.
Quote
You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.
Aww, 'woe is me, someone's contradicting what I hold true to heart!"  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 27, 2008, 08:36:14 PM
Again, in plain English (I hope).  Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ.  That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?).  Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame?  I asked for someone to back that up?  All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".

Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?

You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.


I think your getting awfully defensive and i say no reason why, im not bashing an event, neither is anyone here, just clearly stateing in english :rolleyes: that your winner from a koth isnt automatically ZOMG THE BEST EVER. I dont believe i used the term lame either. But whatever you want after all your the only one whos opinion counts, right?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 27, 2008, 08:39:31 PM
Again, in plain English (I hope).  Dan gave the example of the reigning 2007 KoTH Champ.  That example was discounted out of hand because someone was at a few KoTHs, and witnessed someone winning who by skill level probably should not have won (a round? the event?).  Therefore from what I gather, the Invitation only championship event that happens once a year is equally as lame?  I asked for someone to back that up?  All I see is, more "oh well the cherry picker won the run of the mill monthly event this one time".

Which part of this conversation am I not being clear on?

You want to bash a special event, I expect you to back your BS up.

I think ToC is a good barometer of talent, but people do get invitations that are marginal skill.  On average, though, it is usually the better pilots in there.  Winning KOTH or ToC has muchto do with talent and also having things "go your way" that day doesn't hurt either.  There are those who do very well in KOTH regularly, and that says alot.  I would say that the 4 ToC winners are some of the best sticks in the game. :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 08:46:51 PM
Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?

Im waiting?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 27, 2008, 08:48:30 PM
Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?

Im waiting?
You have one right? :devil
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 08:50:47 PM
No Guppy. Any of the top boxing athletes are having a lot of fun.  Not all of them will score the champion's belt.
OK

Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH  :)

Not all of us have the time, energy or desire to be the bestest cartoon pilot.  I did that once back in airwarrior and I found it the most miserable time of my online flight sim 'career'. 

I figure now I can give most anyone a decent fight, but I'm not worried about it.  It's more fun for me that way.


No Guppy. KOTH doesn't systematicaly show who is best at dogfighting. It shows who is best at free-for-all furball dynamics, which favors 'dishonorable' things like cherrypicking.

I don't think being the best cartoon pilot is miserable.  It hinges on the same tactical sense as you need to have and follow to successfuly come out on top of a street fistfight.  It only strays from real dogfighting in situations like KOTH where cherrypicking, rather than the best effective 1:1 effort, is rewarded.
Here it is again m00t, rather than telling me Im wrong, why don't you qualify what you had to say?

If your statement was not as I interpreted it, then say so.  Otherwise answer my question.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 27, 2008, 08:54:54 PM
OMG quick look over there you guys it's charlie sheen humping a polar bear!!  :eek:

*smack* *smack* *sm-smack*sma-ksma-ksmaack**boot to the head*



now all of u stfu
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 27, 2008, 08:56:23 PM
Batfink!  <S>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 27, 2008, 08:57:03 PM
something no one has mentioned,   

 to be a great stick, takes more than being able to judge E,  more than great SA, more than knowing your planes ability at all alts,  you can have all this but if you are missing one crucial element, you wont be great, GUNNERY,  this is the most important of all,  cuz if you cant kill the nme when needed you are history!!
 my GUNNERY sux  :cry :cry :cry :furious :furious
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 27, 2008, 08:58:11 PM

Same here Ink.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 09:01:30 PM
Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?

Im waiting?
This has what to do with what?

To answer your other question a second time, no you didn't interpret it right.  As for "bashing" KOTH, that's interpreted wrong too.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 09:07:05 PM
This has what to do with what?
The big event in KoTH is the TOC. That being the case if KoTH has no bearing on skill, I'd like to know an example of a winner of that TOC event who is not skilled.  If your argument is correct, there should be an example of it.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 09:08:18 PM
Oh, too much ego to say "that's not what I ment"....It's "your wrong fool"
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Lazerr on April 27, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
Shane was horrible...

Loudmouth la7 dweeb that gets slapped around by the twin engined bus...  :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 09:31:29 PM
You don't have to be the best 'skillz' to win KOTH. You do have to have the best skillz to win a 1:1.  Aggregate 1:1 tournament would be a better measure of skills.  KOTH has its novelties, but it has flaws I doubt you guys could fix..
Actually, I don't believe you do have have the best skillz to win a 1:1, a lucky HO, an unlucky collusion or warp, or even a positional FE lag were the shot looks impossible on one players FE, can determine the outcome of the fight regardless of "skill".  It happens all the time in AH.  But then again, I didn't see where this was limited to the top 10 1 vs 1 list.  I bet players are more impressed with the guy who downed them and their two buddies, than with an adversary that commonly beats them 1v1.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 09:48:55 PM
I think your getting awfully defensive and i say no reason why, im not bashing an event, neither is anyone here, just clearly stateing in english :rolleyes: that your winner from a koth isnt automatically ZOMG THE BEST EVER. I dont believe i used the term lame either. But whatever you want after all your the only one whos opinion counts, right?
No, I'm following this line of thinking to it's logical conclusion.  KoTH has no bearing on skill.  Therefore it stands to reason, that the same applies to the KoTH Championship event also has no bearing on skill.  After all, you can't play in that event without winning a regular KoTH (which the winning of has no bearing on skill).  The TOC is the same as all the other KoTHs, with the exception of the participants being invited.  Therefore, the outcome of that also should have no bearing on skill.  Therefore the results should back that up.

See, you can make this about me being petty all you want, I don't care.  But I see a hole in this argument, and I won't be shy about pointing it out.  Considering the fact that this subject came up with the statement that "Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH", and he has not won a KoTH since the TOC, then my comments regarding TOC are entirely relevent.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 27, 2008, 10:02:09 PM
No, I'm following this line of thinking to it's logical conclusion.  KoTH has no bearing on skill.  Therefore it stands to reason, that the same applies to the KoTH Championship event also has no bearing on skill.  After all, you can't play in that event without winning a regular KoTH (which the winning of has no bearing on skill).  The TOC is the same as all the other KoTHs, with the exception of the participants being invited.  Therefore, the outcome of that also should have no bearing on skill.  Therefore the results should back that up.

See, you can make this about me being petty all you want, I don't care.  But I see a hole in this argument, and I won't be shy about pointing it out.  Considering the fact that this subject came up with the statement that "Then Kappa must be the best pilot in Aces High since he won KoTH", and he has not won a KoTH since the TOC, then my comments regarding TOC are entirely relevent.

I guess your used to people not arguing with you, but you line of thinking is a broken one. The participant base of Koth is hugley different from the toc, and there are people who will win monthly koths and get toc invites who definatly arent at or near the actuall skill level of most of the toc particepents, which is a huge difference, one or two get by every time and end up in toc. Just because you win a koth does NOT make you better than those who participated, are you willing to argue that?

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 10:11:16 PM
I guess your used to people not arguing with you, but you line of thinking is a broken one. The participant base of Koth is hugley different from the toc, and there are people who will win monthly koths and get toc invites who definatly arent at or near the actuall skill level of most of the toc particepents, which is a huge difference, one or two get by every time and end up in toc. Just because you win a koth does NOT make you better than those who participated, are you willing to argue that?
Well if there is a difference in the average skill level make-up of TOC particepents, and a regular KoTH, does that not suggest there is in fact an indicator of skill somewhere?  After all, if skill was not a factor, the TOC skill level would be the same as any KoTH?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 27, 2008, 10:25:30 PM
ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....


The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game.  There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC.  The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.

I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list.  (myself being on the former of course)

Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute

Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.










(somewhat ticked I wasn't on more peoples lists..........)

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 27, 2008, 10:42:09 PM
ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....


The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game.  There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC.  The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.

I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list.  (myself being on the former of course)

Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute

Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.












I agree with this statement.  As I have said before, ToC is full of badarses! :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
I agree with this statement.  As I have said before, ToC is full of badarses! :aok
I see two badarses listed twice in there under different names :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 10:58:55 PM
Sheesh.. Look at who's gotten his ego tickled here.. First chicken to cluck is the one that laid the egg.
You can win a KOTH at the expense of better sticks, yep.  So it follows that KOTH isn't a perfect measure of "skill".  How much simpler does it have to get?

I don't know what's gotten your glasses all fogged up, but you're getting ahead of yourself Murdr. 
" After all, if skill was not a factor,"  >>  I never said that.

I think it's possible you can't stand that someone as irreverent as myself, that's never bothered to pimp his skills all over a popular event like KOTH, and that you probably haven't seen any "skill" from, might be contradicting you; so that you wouldn't bother to read what I'm saying at face value.. 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 27, 2008, 11:31:07 PM
If you really wanted to make koth more about skill rather than mostly oppertunistic awareness then here with respect are my suggestions.

1. Completely disable icons for all participants. with neon signs a huge % of what real dogfighting is becomes useless.

2. Add wind in undulating layers. the last layer before the cloud base alt cap to be strong force to discourage BnZ and energy hording.(when someone says push to the limits of the evelope they do no mean push to 5,999.9 in a 6k alt cap.) This is a major point. i won a whole koth once and never went above 4500ft even before the starting whistle...then i was lucky and mostly the guys that night know how to handle themself without the speed. i have seen many others winning koths in style without pushing for max allowed altitude whenever not shooting people. the best kill i remember from any koth round i have been in was when i came in to attack Lute in 109Es. he was lower and pulled this rediculous snapshot on his reversal and sawed off my tail. it sticks in my mind because won from total disadvantage. many kills people get on me dont even register 2 minutes later.


3. mute all participating members from the start to when they get shot down or win.

4. if 5 wabbits are up then the game is drawn to sudden death with a 'wabbits only' final battle.


S!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
So it follows that KOTH isn't a perfect measure of "skill".
Face value - It's not perfect...but I'll add it's also not irrelevent.  That work?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 11:32:59 PM
Yep, that's already better. I'd mute everyone right off the bat for the round's duration.
You'd need the CM to have icon control.  No icons might make the nojoy too unreliable.  If icons were forced off by the CM after nojoy was done, that'd work for the best.

And now that I think about it, if this was implemented, KOTH would be near enough to a perfect measure of skill that I'd put it above an aggregated 1:1 league/tournament.

Face value - It's not perfect...but I'll add it's also not irrelevent.  That work?
Where did I say it was irrelevent?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 27, 2008, 11:44:50 PM
this is inane for a point of discusion. In my Head this is the points what you both keep reapeting over and over..

M00t
"why dont we all make a film of ourselves landing P47s on a carrier? that takes skill just like koth does. they are both single elements of what makes a good player in this game skill wise. you cannot grade everything on koth TOC"

Murdr
"hey look i was in TOC too guys, dont forget about me just cause im a trainer"
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 27, 2008, 11:47:22 PM
this is inane for a point of discusion. In my Head this is the points what you both keep reapeting over and over..

M00t
"why dont we all make a film of ourselves landing P47s on a carrier? that takes skill just like koth does. they are both single elements of what makes a good player in this game skill wise. you cannot grade everything on koth TOC"

Murdr
"hey look i was in TOC too guys, dont forget about me just cause im a trainer"

How right you are..
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 11:49:26 PM
You've certianly downplayed any relevence it may have on skill from the get go, tacking on words like 'dishonorable'.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 11:50:22 PM
Byte me B@tfink.  If I wanted attention I'd be pleanty more vocal.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 27, 2008, 11:51:07 PM
Bat - What? :lol

Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can:  This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High.  Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.

So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill".  Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.

Much ado about nothing :lol

And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 27, 2008, 11:53:07 PM
hehe murdr just trying to lighten the mood, i know you dont have a thin skin.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 27, 2008, 11:57:35 PM
I've been wanting to use HT's "Byte me" for awhile, thx for the opportunity :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 12:08:13 AM
Bat - What? :lol

Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can:  This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High.  Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.

So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill".  Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.

Much ado about nothing :lol

And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)
ouch lute...whats up with that dude?
that is so not cool in a lot of ways
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 12:19:28 AM
There are a few intangables 1v1 tourneys don't cover.  One is what I mentioned earlier, the guy that mops up 3 or 4 vs 1...Not all 1v1 types are adept at that. 

Another is the whole dynamic of....See if I can explain this properly.  Player A commonly whips Player B.  Player B has something in his techique that outflies Player C.  Player C beats Player A the majority of the time.  Who wins?  Depends on how the bracket shakes out, and who is having a good or bad night.

Another is, you put the guy that thrives in the MA environment but doesn't duel vs The guy that duels religiously, but doesn't do the furball thing much.  Obviously the dueler has the advantage in that format, but is he a better "ace"?  Depends on who you ask. 

Regarding widewings list...  They both figured out and refined some pretty cool techniques (not to mention talent), and were just so far ahead of everyone else at the time.  A couple have come close for short periods since then, but nobody has really stuck out so promenently above the crowd.  All the best sticks (and they know who they are), are so close to each other that one little thing can make the difference on a given day.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mensa180 on April 28, 2008, 12:33:52 AM
Barbossa is very good.


too good  :noid
Title: Murdr
Post by: moot on April 28, 2008, 12:35:12 AM
Right.. The only thing wrong with what you said, is that the guy who thrives in the MA but can't fly 1:1 much at all, doesn't get a spot in "Top 10 aces of aces".  And vice versa.

Specializing in only one category, you'd have to be litteraly miles and miles above the competition to earn mention in such a top 10.

Barbossa is very good.


too good  :noid
Yep, bleeding blue ichor doesn't count. No top 10 for Barbie.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 28, 2008, 12:44:38 AM
First off I p.m.'d that TO BluKitty.  You gonna tell me you got "issues" with me telling a player their own location?  IIRC kitty was all alone out there and I didn't want him to think nobody noticed.

As far as the second screen shot m00t provided is concerned, it is quite out of context and really without the full text of the convo it isn't even worthy of further discussion.

Bringing in my status as a CM into the picture, well, that again is just silly, and also not  really worthy of further discussion.  I have flown KOTH's for the betterment of the KOTH as opposed to the betterment of my ego for years now.  I quit caring about my 'winning' a looooooong time ago.

Much thanks to m00t for the screen shot showing that your squad does indeed "communicate" with each other on squad channel during King of the Hill.  A very clear violation of the rules btw.

Thanks again m00t.

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: hubsonfire on April 28, 2008, 12:48:05 AM
Um, did Lute just accuse my squad of cheating when we've only got 1 guy who flies KOTH, to defend himself for doing something that admittedly looks blatantly stupid and/or outside the scope of the rules?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 12:50:33 AM
wow this thread has went to hell fast

went from top 10 aces to rules in koth to calling out squads =/
and this is the very reason i talk smack to you morons...good lord
you are so damn easy to get pissed
or start throwing bs around...w00t
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 28, 2008, 12:51:24 AM
 :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 01:00:24 AM
:noid
you can say that again  :noid :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 28, 2008, 01:14:46 AM
Um, did Lute just accuse my squad of cheating when we've only got 1 guy who flies KOTH, to defend himself for doing something that admittedly looks blatantly stupid and/or outside the scope of the rules?

FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC.  I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.

(edit: sorry hub, I put a B/K where an AOM should have been I guess...  edited the post just now.  y'all look the same to me anyway....   :lol  )

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 01:18:14 AM
FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC.  I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.



I done the same thing when i got busted by the cops. Told them my side of the story. I didnt care if it was true or not..i was only trying to get my arse out of trouble
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 28, 2008, 01:20:49 AM
FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC.  I actually remember both those occurance and would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 01:22:09 AM


one muppet not the squad as a whole
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 2bighorn on April 28, 2008, 01:24:01 AM
FYI if you REALLY think I broke KOTH rules then you can bring it to the attention of fuzeman, AKDogg, or ROC.

From now on, there will be shadow of doubt over every KOTH event. What were you thinking? Ever heard "lead by example"?


would be more than happy to provide my take on what was happening at the time.

Don't. You'll just make it worse.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 28, 2008, 01:24:30 AM
one muppet not the squad as a whole

two actually.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 01:25:28 AM
two actually.
well 2 out of 32 ... still not the the squad as a whole bud
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BaldEagl on April 28, 2008, 01:27:00 AM
Has anyone said me yet?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Nilsen on April 28, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
Has anyone said me yet?

Don't think so, but I can if you want.

Me
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 28, 2008, 01:32:46 AM
From now on, there will be shadow of doubt over every KOTH event. What were you thinking? Ever heard "lead by example"?


Don't. You'll just make it worse.

Ok, now you are just being silly.  There is no "worse" as there was never a "wrong" as far as my actions were concerned.  I have no desire, nor feel the need, to "justify" my actions in this situation.  Again, I would be more than happy to "fill in the blanks" to the appropriate people IF they feel the need for it.  (Which is more than doubtfull)






(I have GOT to quit feeding the trolls around here......)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 2bighorn on April 28, 2008, 01:47:58 AM
Ok, now you are just being silly.  There is no "worse" as there was never a "wrong" as far as my actions were concerned.

Somebody posts screenshots of you 'fixing' the fights, yet you walk over and instead accuse others of cheating. Now is me who's silly?  :rofl

 
I have no desire, nor feel the need, to "justify" my actions in this situation.  Again, I would be more than happy to "fill in the blanks" to the appropriate people IF they feel the need for it.  (Which is more than doubtfull)

Now you sound like corrupt politician...
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 01:53:44 AM
corrupt politician?
Wtf Barb...arent they all like that
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Redd on April 28, 2008, 04:35:10 AM

this is getting fun



cheating in an on-line internet game - who would have thought     ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: fuzeman on April 28, 2008, 05:41:56 AM
Bat - What? :lol

Alright I'll try and be as concise as I can:  This thread is talking about "Top 10 aces of aces" of Aces High.  Aces High is an air combat game.. We know it as dogfighting/furballing, and there's a few different ways to fight, which KOTH sort of brings together, but not quite, and that a 1:1 tournament complements and this with less discrepency (no guys organizing hunts on players nor dweeby noobs picking off the "better" players (remember this thread is about "top 10 aces of aces))...
There's also some intangibles like how "classy" someone is, etc.

So it's pretty obvious KOTH isn't the single be-all end-all measure of "skill".  Not only because it doesn't cover everything, but because it has a few flaws.

Much ado about nothing :lol

And yes Murdr, there's some pretty dishonorable things you can do in KOTH, not the least hide as much as the rules allow and/or pick off guys without really earning victory and/or toning down the fight like I did to Lute.
Or sending guys out after players.. Especialy questionable when you're a "CM":
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)

This is certainly a post that deserves some cogitation.
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 06:57:23 AM
Right.. The only thing wrong with what you said, is that the guy who thrives in the MA but can't fly 1:1 much at all, doesn't get a spot in "Top 10 aces of aces".  And vice versa.

Specializing in only one category, you'd have to be litteraly miles and miles above the competition to earn mention in such a top 10.
That's not exactly what I was saying.  I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1.  I said one duels a lot and one doesn't.  If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 28, 2008, 07:36:13 AM
Holy Moly!
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: dedalos on April 28, 2008, 07:54:08 AM
That's not exactly what I was saying.  I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1.  I said one duels a lot and one doesn't.  If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.

Well, we could have a ganbang, cherry picking, and have the advantage tourney also, but don't you think that the guy that wins the 1 vs 1 tourney will most likely win those too?  What is the skill he is missing?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SlapShot on April 28, 2008, 07:54:11 AM
1) Drex
2) Leviathn
3) Everyone else vies for 3rd....


My regards,

Widewing

Funny Karma WW ... Drex asked Levi for an invite back into the squad the day after you posted this.

Keep your eyes open people.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: nopoop on April 28, 2008, 10:26:17 AM
I forgot to what extent wittle boys get their panties in a bunch. You all really ought to look at it from afar as I have.

You guys are WAY too silly.

I'm comin back cuz I like miss my hair being on fire..

..I don't wear panties so I'm safe from all the rest.

Cya's up.
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: moot on April 28, 2008, 10:43:41 AM
That's not exactly what I was saying.  I didn't say the guy cant fly 1v1.  I said one duels a lot and one doesn't.  If you want to base everything on a dueling tourney, then it obviously favors the one who practices all the time under those specific rules.
You aren't reading my posts.  I said word for word that KOTH and 1:1 ladders/tournies complement each other to give a more complete and thorough measure of "skill".  I said one of them had certain flaws in that respect, and that another had less of those flaws despite it being a more narrow evalutation.. 
If the goal is a top 10 list, it's doubtful anyone could make it that was any less than very proficient at each and every type of combat, like I said.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 28, 2008, 11:01:04 AM
This is certainly a post that deserves some cogitation.
Find some way to get CMs the power to remove icons (or limit them to range+planetype) after the no-joy, and mute all players anywhere but on one open channel (no PMs, no squad text), and strictly limit them to range when in the tower, and KOTH would be a lot more fun and challenging.

A slow radar dot update would still stop the wabbits from avoiding fights, but without the gameid icon, players would actualy have to make an effort to get a shot at the wabbit.

This is a pretty much official event for AH, so it really ought to have HTC's attention.  It'd be an improvement very worthy of the effort, I think.
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: cbizkit on April 28, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
Well, we could have a ganbang, cherry picking, and have the advantage tourney also, but don't you think that the guy that wins the 1 vs 1 tourney will most likely win those too?  What is the skill he is missing?
I wouldn't add those categories but I think additional points would be...

Dissimilar AC dueling
1 vs Many (KOTH does provide this environment but it can be avoided)
Many vs Many (2v2, 3v3)

Admittedly the latter is difficult to judge an individual pilots skill as it takes skill as part of a team rather then as an individual.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Lusche on April 28, 2008, 11:07:35 AM
Maybe we should just drop the Top 10 thingy? Everyone has some pilots that he respects for skill, or that he respects for attitude & manners (I place that WAY above any "skillz" in cartoon planes) and enjoys flying with or against them

Such Top 10 lists suffer from lack of common criterias, favoritism, underestimation of low-profile players in off-peak timezone, "aces were much better in AH1" nostalgica and so on.  They are as valid & useful as other crappy lists like "500 Greates Albums of All Time"
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Spazzter on April 28, 2008, 11:10:19 AM
Well said.

There are a bunch more that should make the list, including yourself. You pwned me pretty good the other night.Then those you added and there's also
1. Kilz
2. Karaya
3. Jaxxo
4. Birdo(haven't seen in long long time)
5. Agent360
6. Coronado
7. ChainGun
8. Kermit
9. Angry
10. Bear76

and the list goes on.



Any list that includes Karaya is not worth salt in my opinion!!!!   :lol

<S>
Karaya


Spazzy
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: hubsonfire on April 28, 2008, 11:13:32 AM
Any list that contains Jaxxo and Birdback, but not me, is obviously worthless.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 11:21:27 AM
any list that contains my name is worthless =/
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Scotch on April 28, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
< owns BiP!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: FALCONWING on April 28, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
I know that KoTh has its flaws...but for those guys making top ten lists I think it is a great wakeup call to fly a few rounds and get pwned by guys you have never heard of or seen before

And for any imperfections KoTh is great..i wish i could make some more  :saluteof them but they always seem to be out of synch with my schedule...

For my money they are too long...I have never flown more then a few rounds at a time and I want action too much to be "smart".  But it is a blast and more should give it a shot!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 28, 2008, 03:55:04 PM
Maybe it should be required that all participants of KOTH film their flight and send it in before anyone is called a winner.  If you don't send your film in, you can't participate in the next one.  Just an idea.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 03:57:06 PM
< owns BiP!
and yes you have a couple of times...but i have you a couple...you are one of the best fights i can get
i love my scotchy poo
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: TwinBoom on April 28, 2008, 04:00:20 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/gogonn/Thread20Hijacked.jpg)
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 04:13:54 PM
I said word for word that KOTH and 1:1 ladders/tournies complement each other to give a more complete and thorough measure of "skill".
So you did.  I agree.
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 04:28:35 PM
What is the skill he is missing?
The en vouge trick duel move of the month club newsletter.  I've seen a lot of things in duels that you don't come across in the arenas...Or if you do, you laugh, because you're under no obligation to immediately 5G reverse back and nibble on the bait.  I remember haning out in the DA years ago with a pretty good pilot who does not normally duel.  He was perplexed with a merge another guy was using.  I tried to explain to him the geometry of what was going on, and IIRC he adapted to it then.  So was that pilot like not skilled because he wasn't up to date on the latest trick dueling move?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
Maybe we should just drop the Top 10 thingy? Everyone has some pilots that he respects for skill, or that he respects for attitude & manners (I place that WAY above any "skillz" in cartoon planes) and enjoys flying with or against them

Such Top 10 lists suffer from lack of common criterias, favoritism, underestimation of low-profile players in off-peak timezone, "aces were much better in AH1" nostalgica and so on.  They are as valid & useful as other crappy lists like "500 Greates Albums of All Time"
No way!  It's good entertainment.  If nothing else I get a good laugh out of some names being brought up.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: fuzeman on April 28, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
Find some way to get CMs the power to remove icons (or limit them to range+planetype) after the no-joy, and mute all players anywhere but on one open channel (no PMs, no squad text), and strictly limit them to range when in the tower, and KOTH would be a lot more fun and challenging.
A slow radar dot update would still stop the wabbits from avoiding fights, but without the gameid icon, players would actualy have to make an effort to get a shot at the wabbit.
This is a pretty much official event for AH, so it really ought to have HTC's attention.  It'd be an improvement very worthy of the effort, I think.

1 Arena Icon settings for CMs is on the CM wishlist. Until then we were hoping people would stand tall and obey the rules in the events they prticipate in. IMO thats not too much to ask for but I guess I've been proven completely wrong on that account.

2 In order for people to fly to the closest fight they need timely radar updates.

3 IMO, HTC has bigger fish to fry dealing with Combat Tour, updating things that need updating and fixing things that need fixing.
and again, If the people in KOTH actually obeyed the rules, 90% of these problems would not crop up. Again, I was incorrect in thinking people would actually obey the rules that we go over and are in print.


Maybe it should be required that all participants of KOTH film their flight and send it in before anyone is called a winner.  If you don't send your film in, you can't participate in the next one.  Just an idea.

A]That would definately add to the KOTH CMs workload and we usually try to get results out soon as we can. But even this is not a perfect fix. The [edit>]mentally challenged, clueless dolt, person stuck with an ID10T error[<edit] who break the rules will usually slither around and try to break them again as soon as you fix them.
Truely a shame you have to dumb down as much as possible for the lowest idiot common denominator as opposed to treating people with some respect and expecting some respect back. A total arena mute wouldn't fix anything either.

I always relied on peoples honor when participating in KOTH, and it seems there isn't much. How silly of me to expect people to be honorable when flying in KOTH.
Maybe this event is unrunable the way it should be run with the present players and tools the CM can use.

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
Fuze you are a rep of HTC as a CM
i dont think you calling ppl idiots and dumb looks to good
try to word it a bit different bud
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 04:48:15 PM
"IDIOTs who break the rules"...Well they are... hmm...replacement words, how about "morons"? "dolts"? "buttheads"? <shrug>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 05:01:30 PM
"IDIOTs who break the rules"...Well they are... hmm...replacement words, how about "morons"? "dolts"? "buttheads"? <shrug>
wow dude you have a smartazz answer for everything dont ya?
im not about to get in to a typing fight with ya


what i was saying as Reps of HTC i dont think you should be calling ppl out like that and throwing names around
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 28, 2008, 05:09:15 PM
BP, he's right.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 05:10:44 PM
right?
never said he was wrong
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Gaboon on April 28, 2008, 05:26:01 PM
Alot of the names on the following posted list I have seen in game and have shot them down many times. Many players in the game have their niche in the way they fly. Many perfer the turn and burn, many perfer the Boom and Zoom, and many many perfer the HO above all. but for my money I can only think of 1 flier that I respect above all others in a fighter and that is Stang. In bombers 999000 and tatertot are very deadly if your attack on them isnt perfect. I have no problem attacking any bombers and bombers are first on my hit list anything else is a snack. Many of the names on peoples list I have never heard of let alone even seen in game. You cant base a fliers skill on the score one piles up because there are ways to bend the scoring system in ones favor with out ever seeing another player. there are ways to bend the system while flying ACM to gain an advantage over another plane which I dont think the programers intended to have used while in combat. I for one dont take short cuts I play the game the way it was intended to be played IMO. Case in point the use of trim tabs while in combat. Trim wasnt ment for combat it was intended to trim out a plane for even keel flying hands off, to keep the plane trim as fuel tanks, ammo and ordnance were expended. One can see in an instant if the other flier is using trim to gain tighter turns while in ACM manuvers. If one is in a pure turn and burn plane using trim that plane will be that much better in a fight. if you take the 2 same planes with same loadout and one flier uses trim and the other doesnt I can tell you which plane will come out the winner good stick or great stick it doesnt matter the trim plane will win. My top 5 picks and their planes are as follows Stang P-51, Blukitty Spitfire, Livi Spitfire, Fester 109, Shane La7
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 28, 2008, 05:31:48 PM
Just an FYI to anyone...
The only time trim would help your turn rate is if your stick is already full back, and you still need more elevator. This would only be the case at higher speeds in some planes where you can not exert enof stick force.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Gaboon on April 28, 2008, 05:39:42 PM
Hold the phone I totally forgot about this other flier Murdr p38 that makes 6 on my list
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on April 28, 2008, 06:28:32 PM
Alot of the names on the following posted list I have seen in game and have shot them down many times. Many players in the game have their niche in the way they fly. Many perfer the turn and burn, many perfer the Boom and Zoom, and many many perfer the HO above all. but for my money I can only think of 1 flier that I respect above all others in a fighter and that is Stang. In bombers 999000 and tatertot are very deadly if your attack on them isnt perfect. I have no problem attacking any bombers and bombers are first on my hit list anything else is a snack. Many of the names on peoples list I have never heard of let alone even seen in game. You cant base a fliers skill on the score one piles up because there are ways to bend the scoring system in ones favor with out ever seeing another player. there are ways to bend the system while flying ACM to gain an advantage over another plane which I dont think the programers intended to have used while in combat. I for one dont take short cuts I play the game the way it was intended to be played IMO. Case in point the use of trim tabs while in combat. Trim wasnt ment for combat it was intended to trim out a plane for even keel flying hands off, to keep the plane trim as fuel tanks, ammo and ordnance were expended. One can see in an instant if the other flier is using trim to gain tighter turns while in ACM manuvers. If one is in a pure turn and burn plane using trim that plane will be that much better in a fight. if you take the 2 same planes with same loadout and one flier uses trim and the other doesnt I can tell you which plane will come out the winner good stick or great stick it doesnt matter the trim plane will win. My top 5 picks and their planes are as follows Stang P-51, Blukitty Spitfire, Livi Spitfire, Fester 109, Shane La7
Shane?   No way in hell is the the best in the La7.   Sorry.   He's good, but not THAT good. 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: fuzeman on April 28, 2008, 06:56:42 PM
<snip>
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2448269386_dde9ac582d_o.png)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2080/2447451459_f6491ed432_o.png)

m00t, do me a favor? Please send me the entire film those screenshots were taken from.
fuzeman at hitechcreations dot com
Thank-you.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 28, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
I didn't mean for you guys to review every film, just save them in case there are any questions in the future.  Just like some sports take blood samples, but don't process them unless questions arise.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: fuzeman on April 28, 2008, 11:23:17 PM
I didn't mean for you guys to review every film, just save them in case there are any questions in the future.  Just like some sports take blood samples, but don't process them unless questions arise.


We tried that once, I forget exactly which KOTH it was, but the one I hosted and requested films, I only got 1.
Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 28, 2008, 11:39:31 PM
Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.

That would probably be the most effective route.

P.S.  Having to make decisions with limited information is difficult, to say the least.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 28, 2008, 11:57:54 PM
We tried that once, I forget exactly which KOTH it was, but the one I hosted and requested films, I only got 1.
Maybe at a minimum, I'd have to receive a film to validate the round win, then if any questions arise I'd watch them. I just might go that route.
Is there anything you can do with Text? like PMs
cause ill say it right here
Lute has a thing for Muppets (for lack of more vulgar words)
He .wingmans us and singles us out them PMs the info.
Tell me if im lying Lute. Please tell me im lying
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Xargos on April 28, 2008, 11:58:53 PM
Sorry, hit quote instead of modify by mistake.
Title: Fuze
Post by: moot on April 29, 2008, 12:04:11 AM
Sure..
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 29, 2008, 12:43:00 AM
Is there anything you can do with Text? like PMs
cause ill say it right here
Lute has a thing for Muppets (for lack of more vulgar words)
He .wingmans us and singles us out them PMs the info.
Tell me if im lying Lute. Please tell me im lying

Love to.

Y'er lying.

I don't have a "thing" for the Muppets.  Far from it.  I like, and thought I was on a friendly basis, with some in that squad.

The premise that I single out any single squad is rediculous.

Don't just "say it" bipolar, POST it.  Just don't just post a single out of context line.  Let's see filims of the convo's or at the very least screen shots of the WHOLE conversation.  Granted, film is the only "concrete" proof you could provide, and that would be the preferred medium.

Best to take this to the King of the Hill forum as we have hijacked this thread long enough.  I will go start a thread now in the KOTH forum so you can post screen shots of those complete conversations you imply you have for us all.
Title: Re: Murdr
Post by: dedalos on April 29, 2008, 08:09:05 AM
The en vouge trick duel move of the month club newsletter.  I've seen a lot of things in duels that you don't come across in the arenas...Or if you do, you laugh, because you're under no obligation to immediately 5G reverse back and nibble on the bait.  I remember haning out in the DA years ago with a pretty good pilot who does not normally duel.  He was perplexed with a merge another guy was using.  I tried to explain to him the geometry of what was going on, and IIRC he adapted to it then.  So was that pilot like not skilled because he wasn't up to date on the latest trick dueling move?

Well, yes.  Isn't that what is all about?  You have a bag of tricks and you try to pull the right one out to kill the bad guy.  After you pass a level of skill in a plane, I think what your handling and knowledge of the plane should be equal.  So, whats is left to make the difference?  Out smarting or out flying your opponent. He will be a less skilled pilot if his bag of skills is smaller or if he cannot pick the right trick out the bag. 

Guess what, I look behind me after the merge.  If the guy is not pulling a 5G turn I don't either.  That would be pulling the wrong trick.

What is your definition of a skill anyway?  Maybe we are just talking about different things.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: wetrat on April 29, 2008, 12:24:13 PM
Again, in English....
Who has recieved a plaque from HTC for KoTH that has mediocre skills?

Im waiting?
Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.

Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 29, 2008, 12:59:45 PM
That won't be much of a issue soon wetrat.  We got a new map about to be released for koth that has 20 thru 80 mile circles.  Gonna be more 1vs 1 competition then before.  Be plenty of room for everyone.  Right now the largest circle we have I believe is 40 miles.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: GooseAW on April 29, 2008, 02:07:25 PM
When thinking about the best, after reading some of these lists, I can add 5 more every time i consider it for 5 mins.

There are really too many to list and too many lists to just pick top ten. There are the most...disciplined...like SHawk etc..the best wingmen, the most agressive, and then you have the most raw talent, and don't forget the specialists who have mastered their particular plane or planes after flying them for so many years. Don't forget those that learn at an amazing rate and those that are too lazy to try to improve. (I'm in this list these days :() and the best DAers, best KOTHers, etc, etc... There are more lists I'm sure. I find myself thinking most of the ole AW crew and the early AH crew mainly because I'm old fashioned and pine for "the good ole days" But there are some fairly new guys that do very well, but I'll never tell em  :D I find myself slipping backwards down any list I ever made as I just want to find the red dar bar and see how many I can get first!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 29, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.

Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
my money is on wetrat
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 29, 2008, 04:46:02 PM
Murdr, you're not bad, but there are quite a few guys that are better sticks than you. Stop puffing your chest and posturing.

Winning a KOTH is not the be-all end-all of skill in this game. It depends HOW you win it, but oftentimes the winner is whoever is best at avoiding hard fights until almost everyone is dead, or whoever is best at making sure they're the third or fourth man in to a fight at the start of the round. You've participated in enough koths by now that you should know that as well as I do. Hell, a few of the KOTHs I've won were largely due to people picking the planes I'm best in.
Beaver, do you do stand-up too?  I believe...I could be wrong, that if the list was of top chest thumpers in the game, my name would rarely, if ever come up.  I'm fairly confident some of your known associates would make frequent appearences though.  So if that is a pet peeve of yours, you might want to look elsewhere first.

I neither said KoTH was the be all end all of skill, nor did I claim to be the best a anything in the game.  What I read when I browsed this thread was nothing but negative discounting of KoTH (whether that was the intention or not).  One neat thing about KoTH is that there is absolutely nothing in the design that tells you how to fight.  Only that you must be in or heading to a fight at all times.  All aspects of air combat are an option, and those who have a diverse bag of tricks do well.  If a lessor pilot wins a KoTH, it's typically the collective fault of the participants for allowing that to happen, not the event format.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 29, 2008, 06:05:19 PM
thats all very well and good murdr.

i want to know WTF is going on when a decent guy like Bosco is banned for an entire month....not only that but disgraced on the forum by all the koth CMs and alot of the players....and what for?

typing private messages to his friend, nothing more than 'damn, these guys are really good, im dying alot'. Bosco even had the courage to come forward and own up, and take his retarded punishment.

To what? to set an EXAMPLE to the the players of koth

never did bosco type 'blukitty is so and so lets kill so and so'.

AND you cheeky f**kers had the nerve to ban Bosco as an EXAMPLE.



The WMLute and the ENTIRE koth management team owe Bosco a public appology, that is the only way you are going to stop 90% of the koth player base from considering koth now a complete joke.


no bullchit replies to this, just a public appology to Bosco and we all move on swiftly.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: TwinBoom on April 29, 2008, 06:09:42 PM
P.O.T.H "pickfest on the hill"
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 29, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
thats all very well and good murdr.

i want to know WTF is going on when a decent guy like Bosco is banned for an entire month....not only that but disgraced on the forum by all the koth CMs and alot of the players....and what for?

typing private messages to his friend, nothing more than 'damn, these guys are really good, im dying alot'. Bosco even had the courage to come forward and own up, and take his retarded punishment.

To what? to set an EXAMPLE to the the players of koth

never did bosco type 'blukitty is so and so lets kill so and so'.

AND you cheeky f**kers had the nerve to ban Bosco as an EXAMPLE.



The WMLute and the ENTIRE koth management team owe Bosco a public appology, that is the only way you are going to stop 90% of the koth player base from considering koth now a complete joke.


no bullchit replies to this, just a public appology to Bosco and we all move on swiftly.


Before u go any further, I suggest u be patient and stop right there.  Fuzeman and I are dealing with the situation as we speak!  Don't restart something that alrdy got stopped elsewhere in the forums as there will be reprocutions from HTC.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 29, 2008, 06:19:53 PM
Before u go any further, I suggest u be patient and stop right there.  Fuzeman and I are dealing with the situation as we speak!  Don't restart something that alrdy got stopped elsewhere in the forums as there will be reprocutions from HTC.



Quite bluntly, stick that up your backside, AKdogg. If HTC ban me for freespeach then i shall take that punishment hopefully in as noble a manner as Bosco did.

The only exception i can think of that makes it ok is if Bosco is one of your CM's shade accounts, and that wont be very impressive..

If there is not a public apology To Bosco and his squad from WMlute and the Koth team I for one will most likely not fly your event again.

Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 29, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
As far as the KOTH team is concerned, we do apologize for this but that still doesn't fix it.  WMLute will have to do his own apologize for his actions if what he truely did do what those SS's showed.  Like I said early in another posts, SS's prove nothing to me as they can be photoshopped (not saying that AOM has), I only believe films.  That is what fuzeman and I are talking about.  Now I not gonna go into details with u on this so U just gonna have to stay tuned. 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 29, 2008, 06:59:43 PM
my money is on wetrat

poor bet *shrug*



ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 29, 2008, 07:00:32 PM
(http://www.2000greetings.com/chill_pill.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: 2bighorn on April 29, 2008, 07:08:40 PM
Quite bluntly...

Easy there Bat. No point to get banned, that'd be silly. AKDogg said they'll check films firstly, which is prudent thing to do.

As far as apology to Bosco, he did break the rule. I think if and when apology is in order, then it is to all KOTH participants.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 29, 2008, 07:51:04 PM
i appreciate that you explain such things to me dogg although they effect my thinking little on this matter, for whatever my thoughts are worth. I have no problem with the muppets or with WMlute, infact i have high opinions of both sides of the feud there. No idea why so many people are ganging on lute right now im staying out of that.

My issue is obvious to you from my rants above and the priciples at stake have no bearing from any further investigation of those screen shots. it can only Hurt koth and Lute and the muppets.

What seemed like a blatant publicity stunt by the koth team, albeit for a good cause, turned very nasty when the example made of a certain player was jumped all over by many people pointing fingers. Despite the obvious hypocracy of that discipline thread the message of honour and rules in koth just about got through intact.
 No matter what those screens turn out to mean... the message that was delivered by sacrificing an honest player to help better the koth environment has been totaly destroyed.

those responsible for posting the screenshots are just as responsible for breaking that message as the PM from lute. never the less it is lute and the koth team who owed one certain player a big appology.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WMLute on April 29, 2008, 08:03:14 PM
Let's please do as Dogg suggested.

TRUST me the "powers that be" are all over this.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: evenhaim on April 29, 2008, 08:22:57 PM
poor bet *shrug*



ack-ack

I had a good laugh at this comment...
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DPQ5 on April 29, 2008, 08:25:55 PM
why isent me DPQ5 in any of those listed, you guys makin mistakes
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 29, 2008, 08:26:02 PM
Let's please do as Dogg suggested.

TRUST me the "powers that be" are all over this.

sorry, but remind how that sentance of yours there is good for koth.
getting the boss envolved because the evidence was so strong is never a good way to fight your case.

Dogg has expressed his concern for the issue i raised and accepted that maybe everyone is a little to blame here. Why can you not let hitech have some time away from us kids eh? bosco (wabbit last koth) knows the score here, how bout you appologise to him lute and see if people respect that. But well only if you mean it, if you truly feel no blame here then i will take your word on it, no need to cause more fuss.

other than that I dont even know why im in this thread now other than maybe to give the hordes of lute-ites some sleep i dont know...

 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 29, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
Which was it Bat, did Bosco only chatter about random things in that KOTH, or was the squad text what allowed him to win? 
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Tr1gg22 on April 29, 2008, 08:32:53 PM
<<<<<will own all lol  :aok
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on April 29, 2008, 08:35:53 PM
 he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
 now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.

i am out now, i like my account here.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on April 29, 2008, 09:07:10 PM
Fuze, I emailed you but it looks like the email got burped or something, I can't even see it in my outbox.  Pls PM me or post here if you got it.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Murdr on April 29, 2008, 09:12:57 PM
I don't believe "PMing" per se was the issue, but PMing from the tower to someone still flying.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: wetrat on April 29, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
 now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.

i am out now, i like my account here.
He go banned for THAT?! Hell, I was always talking smack to squaddies in KOTH when I played this game...
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: fuzeman on April 29, 2008, 09:16:07 PM
Fuze, I emailed you but it looks like the email got burped or something, I can't even see it in my outbox.  Pls PM me or post here if you got it.

PM sent m00t.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: DoNKeY on April 29, 2008, 09:22:42 PM
My stance on things:

From my understanding, it did seem that Bosco was "made an example of."  Nobody called him out on using text during a KOTH event.  Instead, he said that he did do it, without prompt.  He then stated that he didn't know that it was against the rules to pm stuff along the lines of "dang these guys are good, they just flat out killed me, etc," once everyone started 'calling him out on it.'  He then issued an apology an said that he would take whatever punishment the CM's or whoever deemed right.

That seems like a pretty honest and noble thing to do (man up to it and accept whatever the consequences are).  Granted, I believe the rules do state that no communication between players are allowed, but perhaps he interpreted that as any communication of tactical advantage?  I don't know what he thought.

Then, apparently (as I guess they could be photo shopped ?) Lute was pm'ing info during a KOTH event.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out after the 'example' of Bosco, and what evidence has/will show up showing that a CM 'broke the rules.'

donkey
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: AKDogg on April 29, 2008, 09:39:03 PM
he was banned for a month back in febuary round abouts. missed one koth then was allowed back this month and made wabbit i believe. his offence was openly admiting without prompt that he had type a few 'ouch i got shot to bits' type PMs to his friend and that he did not realise it was wrong. he wouldnt do it again. his confesion and resolution were not enough and he was made an example of for having fun and being honest.
 now it looks like strings are going to be pulled to avoid any unpleasantness resulting this current poop slide. how fortunate for the offender this time.

i am out now, i like my account here.

No body said they getting off scott free here.  When I get the film and review it, then I will make my assesment and apply penalty where Fuzeman and I see fit and how much.  For now, lets drop the subject till further review and stop hijacking this thread.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: SkyRock on April 29, 2008, 10:42:56 PM
He go banned for THAT?! Hell, I was always talking smack to squaddies in KOTH when I played this game...
Like the time I was in on your stalled aircraft when you were fighting someone and you typed, "go for him" on sqd text and I hesitated shooting your srry bellybutton only to be blasted several seconds later by your previously stated, sorry ass?  Then to see in squad text, "you're to easy, hahahahahahaa"?  Is that what you are talking about?  You send your squaddie a text that will ethically debilitate him from obliterating your ass, so that you may attain a gun solution on said squaddie?  Knowing that said squaddie was going to take the time to type, "we cant do that" on said squad text and that would give you enough time to kill said squaddie who was typing, "we can't do that", on text?  Is that how you are admitting that you cheated in KOTH?   :D



and people think Muppets cheat to gain advantage on others.......LMAO........hell, I'm more worried about my squaddies killing me than any other players involved in KOTH!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ROC on April 29, 2008, 11:00:02 PM
Let me add My stance on things.

Any actions against a player are not going to be discussed by the CM team.  It's not anyones concern except that person who was involved.  That person may well feel he/she needs to come in here and chime in, don't expect the CMs to engage in the discussion.

With that, I've been informed that things are going sideways in here. I have full confidence that AKDogg will handle it appropriately.  He has my full support to do what he thinks needs to be done.  What that is, again, is not going to be the subject of a discussion in here.

There are rules in this event.  They are to be followed.  If they are not followed there will be problems.

Notice, I excluded no one.  That should suffice.  Please keep this thread somewhat related to the original topic.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Fariz on April 29, 2008, 11:02:29 PM
Levi, Nath, and Drex are the best pilots I ever flew with and against in this game. Can't judge who is better, but I shot down Levi and Nath, but never could shot down Drex.

Those guys flying skill was terrific.

There are about 20-30 more great pilots.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Lazerr on April 29, 2008, 11:55:49 PM
KOTH is a joke..


Last event I flew, I was told to attack a 1 vs 1, because it was d800 closer than the single con trying to pick that same 1 vs 1.  How stupid is that??  You want to promote a 1 vs 1, dont make the map bigger, open your eyes.  I could find a couple of junior high students to better supervise an event.  To be honest, there is probably 3 sticks max in that event that could put up a good fight.  You want a good fight?... Make a 4k alt cap over some water, no room for some jackarse to float around doing yoyos..  There should be no room for one guy to dive on another, if someone wants to go vert, they better merge at 500ft.


Not Worth the Time...



Anyone that wants to argue, I will subscribe again for two hours to whoop your arse in the DA. ( Unless your name is drex, leviathn, both of which ive never fought, just rumors make you scary :D )
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: ink on April 30, 2008, 12:49:23 AM
KOTH is cool but for someone like me, i dont stand a chance, no one picks the hurri2c :cry 
i am limited in my plane set and it seems like i can only hit when in the huuri(for the most part)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: WaRLoCkL on March 25, 2009, 02:50:57 AM
wow, the fact that i named in a crowd like that is astonishing, i did not even know i had gotten a invite to any such event. Unfortunetly right around the time this forum got started i belive i was doing something army wise that made it impossible for me to be playing or read the forum.

I am able to get on some right now while i am deployed but the hours are always crewey and random.

BTW my name is WaRLoCkZ now also.

its a honor sir to be named with this group of people i look forward to being in some more KOTH with these guys soon as possible


ok, i'm a wee bit biased here but....


The four King of the Hill Tourney O' Championships, of which all four I had the pleasure of being a part of, were without a doubt filled with some of the best flying you will ever find in this game.  There were incredible fights in each and every round of every TOC.  The Kappa Murdr P38 fight was one for the ages and the film of it should be stickied somewhere.

I will admit that there are people that earned an invite to the four TOC's that probably didn't have a that great of a shot at winning three rounds...
BUT I will also add that the list of players who had a very good shot at winning it all was a far longer list.  (myself being on the former of course)

Just take a glance at the 2007 TOC invite list.
AKDogg, Allison, Alucard, A8coflys, BearKats, Biggles, BluKitty, Bruv119, Fester, Fianna, Fringe, FX1, Hornet, Jim Beam, Kappa, Lazer, lucine, m00t, Muppy, Murdr, Platano, Scotch, SkyRock, Slash27, Squealer, Stang, TC, TW9, Vlkyrie1, Vudak, WaRLoCkL, WMLute

Out of the thirty two players invited I can name two dozen plus that had a very strong shot at winning it all and could hold their own or flat out beat 99.99% of the players in the game in a 1 on 1.










(somewhat ticked I wasn't on more peoples lists..........)


Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bruv119 on March 25, 2009, 02:58:50 AM
that list was soooo last year.

and so is this thread  :lol
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Tec on March 25, 2009, 05:23:23 AM
Standard.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bruv119 on March 25, 2009, 05:28:36 AM
forced to fly dem watermelon planes in KOTH.  ;)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Stang on March 25, 2009, 09:46:48 AM
LOL, some things apparently never change.

 :lol
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: waystin2 on March 25, 2009, 10:02:17 AM
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/NecroBumpBatman.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 25, 2009, 12:32:30 PM
LOL, some things apparently never change.

 :lol

Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Steve on March 25, 2009, 12:49:22 PM
Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?


ack-ack

has to be painful....dislocated shoulder?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: TwentyFo on March 25, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?


ack-ack

I think you're just jealous cause you're not on anyones list. And for good reason.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Nurminen on March 25, 2009, 03:00:46 PM
LOL, some things apparently never change.

 :lol


jepjep..... GO GO BENGALS !!! :devil
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Tr1gg22 on March 25, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Makes me wonder with all the self-back slapping Warlock does, is his arm double jointed?


ack-ack
wow this things almost a year old lol :noid
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Husky01 on March 25, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
I can lick my elbow.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: B4Buster on March 25, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
Well since someone bumped this 10 month old post...might aswell add my 2 cents

Pretty hard to say who the best sticks are here. I read through the names and had a good chuckle at some of the people mentioned. IMO the best are (not in any particular order)

AKDogg
TC
Tec
Greebo
Delirium
Kazaa
Bruv119
SHawk
Vudak
AKRaven
Darth2
Bosco
batfinkV
m00t
N72

(yes I know it's more than 10) but I just listed some people that came to mind whom I've had some good fights with/fought along side with.

There's alot of people who talk alot and think they're good...but I have yet to ever see any of these people back it up. The guys that I mentioned Are good and are always willing to have a fn 1v1.

Just my opinion <S>
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on March 25, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
I suck at this game.   Always have, always will.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: OutCast on March 25, 2009, 05:53:44 PM
AKDogg
TC
Tec
Greebo
Delirium
Kazaa
Bruv119
SHawk
Vudak
AKRaven
Darth2
Bosco
batfinkV
m00t
N72

hey...I'm not listed??? And I've beaten some of these guys and even you!!!  :furious
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: B4Buster on March 25, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
Well if you have then you must be pretty good! Just never heard of you  :huh
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on March 25, 2009, 06:43:35 PM
Wow. I have not seen this thread in a while. I can kick myself in the face...dose that make me an ace? or just retarded?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: grizz441 on March 25, 2009, 06:44:34 PM
Skyrock, Scotch, Sunsfan, TonyJoey, Dedalos, Shane to add a few more.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Spikes on March 25, 2009, 06:44:48 PM
Wow. I have not seen this thread in a while. I can kick myself in the face...dose that make me an ace? or just retarded?
I'll take number 2 for 500. :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on March 25, 2009, 06:49:19 PM
Bite me spikes
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: B4Buster on March 25, 2009, 07:12:57 PM
Oh Grizz! you should be on the list aswell
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: uptown on March 25, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
I'll send everyone in here to the tower, you foolish children!  :devil (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_escape.gif)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: stodd on March 25, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
Sorry guys your all wrong, DRDEATHX is the best, he told me so himself.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on March 25, 2009, 07:50:09 PM
Sorry guys your all wrong, DRDEATHX is the best, he told me so himself.

I have no doubt he said it.   He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: stodd on March 25, 2009, 07:51:20 PM
I have no doubt he said it.   He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.   
Your right, drdeath is crazy. Billy Mays is #1.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 25, 2009, 11:43:06 PM
I think you're just jealous cause you're not on anyones list. And for good reason.


Ahhh...did someone steal your Jonas Brothers CD?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Scotch on March 25, 2009, 11:47:48 PM
He can borrow my nieces Hansen cd if he needs to.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: moot on March 26, 2009, 12:07:59 AM
n/t
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: sunfan1121 on March 26, 2009, 01:21:34 PM
I r Teh topz 10 ARRRR kekekeke
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: RoGenT on March 26, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
my invisible friends and the voices in my head pwns all!  :P
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: VansCrew1 on March 26, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
I have no doubt he said it.   He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.   

Thats a good way to put it.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: betty on March 26, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
(http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/f0/f01e5cbd2fb3cfe9cf49df0b3b72889f.gif)


I pwn all!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Bosco123 on March 26, 2009, 04:53:29 PM
LOL Betty that's a good one.

I have to admit, that both Shane and TonyJoey are better than me. I still cain't beat Tony, after about 20 tries, he knows somthing better than me. Shane I guess has been always good, and I've only beaten him maybe once every 10 times. Dedalos, is a good friend and a good stick, always hard to beat, just he dosn't play anymore (I wish he would)

And Grizz is always a fun fight. :D
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: betty on March 26, 2009, 05:44:18 PM
well i have to say this....there are many great sticks in the game...but no one can wear a pair of heels like silat!!!
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 26, 2009, 06:24:04 PM
but no one can wear a pair of heels like silat!!!

Or a mini-skirt.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mensa180 on March 26, 2009, 07:52:00 PM
barb/texture
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: StokesAk on March 26, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
10. Spacy


 :aok

Spacy sucks all he does is pick in the DA with a Spit16 and rearms 10 times for 15 kills. He also has all the TA Areofighters at his disposal to stop people from vultching him on the rearm pad.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: TonyJoey on March 26, 2009, 09:29:46 PM
barb/texture

Definatley one of the greats. Him and dedalot taught me everything I know, the hard way :)
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Scotch on March 26, 2009, 09:32:05 PM
You want a copy of that Hansen cd too?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Fianna on March 26, 2009, 09:41:06 PM
Whenever I'm trying to help a new person out, I always point them towards Bighorn (if I know what name he's currently flying under... Barbossa, accessor, Texture, etc). I can teach them a little, but as far as my experience is concerned, Bighorn is the best.


Pretty sure I posted this same thing in this same thread a year ago, but if I didn't, I have now.  :lol
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: mechanic on March 26, 2009, 10:03:20 PM
right with you Fianna. Bighorn was always one step ahead of the curve.

Thread should be top 100 at least, top 10 doesnt even come close to covering things.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Messiah on March 26, 2009, 10:46:39 PM
birdo
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: RumbleB on March 27, 2009, 12:01:35 AM
Kazaa & Bruv  :noid
grizz
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Flipperk on March 27, 2009, 12:29:46 AM
1.) Lan764
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Masherbrum on March 27, 2009, 12:43:48 AM
1.) Lan764

Be sure and hit every topic possible for a good post count.   
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: hlbly on March 27, 2009, 01:08:02 AM
You'll go blind.
Old wives tale as my eyes would have melted by now .
Delirium needs to be mentioned too .
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: bongaroo on March 27, 2009, 08:48:56 AM
Lazer was always fun to try and learn from in the p38 as well.
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: StokesAk on April 11, 2009, 10:59:34 AM

10. Raddude 

dont mind the numbers, they just describe which one i though of first haha

Does he still play?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 11, 2009, 11:12:26 AM
Does he still play?


Seeing as that post was almost a year ago, don't you think it would be easier to just punch his name into the scoreboard to find out?
Title: Re: Top 10 aces of aces?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 11, 2009, 03:53:26 PM
StokesAK has been bumping old threads all over this board..i see a PNG stick coming his way