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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 10, 2000, 11:03:00 PM
Tonight's TOD 'mini-scenario' prompted some talk amongst The Wrecking Crew about doing this again.

Sunday, Feb. 20.  1600hrs(2100Z)  (4pm EST)
Mighty 8th: Rooks (led by TWC)
B-17s and P-51Ds
Luftwaffe:  Knights
Bf109s and Fw190s

The rules of this are simple.  The 8th will attempt a massive strategic raid on the Knight infrastructure.  The Luftwaffe will attemp to stop us.  This will be a historic-type match up, open to everyone.  Hopefully the chosen time will let most people join in.
The rules are simple.  You have 1 life for this event.  If you go down but bail successfully, you can grab another plane and try again.  If you die (exploded in your plane, open chute too late, get strafed in your chute etc) you're out.
The bombers will be flying at an atltitude between 18,000 and 25,000ft (only the 8th will know for sure =)

So, who all is interested, and is there anyone willing to head up the Luftwaffe?

=)

[This message has been edited by 214CaveJ (edited 02-11-2000).]
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: juzz on February 10, 2000, 11:14:00 PM
Got to make sure the numbers are right though. The "8th" will need twice to three times the number of pilots than there are "LW".
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on February 11, 2000, 07:35:00 AM
Sounds good.  22CET, I'll be there, waiting for the escorts in my 109  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Camo

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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Westy on February 11, 2000, 08:20:00 AM
Um. Sunday the 20th Or Saturday the 19th??? Your date is wrong.

-Westy
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Pongo on February 11, 2000, 09:15:00 AM
Bit of a debrief from last night.
From mightys post in general discussion it seems that the first half of the LW force was more than enough for the bombers.
Force break down. (estimated)
Good guys
  B17           10
  P51           6

Bad guys    
  Group one
  109           12-20?
  Group two
  190           13

Please correct these numbers if you can. I was in sturm group 2 and never saw the enemy before they were gone
It is not supprising with the pilots in this game that the bombers faced by supperior numbers where wiped out.
The escorts must have parity with the interceptors. The bombers must out number them.
Notes
 Interceptors must stay out of bomber land. no contact befor the mountains.
No shadowing them from their take of points.

To give a good fight the ratio should probably be
40 players
 24 bombers
 6 escorts
 10 interceptors

Then the bombers can fly at historical alt
(25k) and try to fight there way through

If I am correct then the Wrecking Crew force should have joined the bombers last night. We did not I think because
1. We didnt know there were so few bombers
2. We would have been stuck in knight land for 12 hours..

The 12 hour thing is fine for most situations in this case could HTC set it to an hour on scenario night and then set it back after the scenario?

Had our group joined the knights last night it would have been a much more satisfying mission for all.
There must be a LW commander that has talked with the organiser befor hand and knows the restrictions on the interceptors...
1) Stay out of bomber land...no intercepts befor the mountains. Not even recon...

We will not know numbers befor the mission so it is important for the two comanders to coordinate right befor the mission to juggle numbers.
Good first effort for a historical mission. Just way lopsided against the bombers..Good effort Knights
   

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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 11, 2000, 10:22:00 AM
Westy, thanks.  I edited the post and fixed the date.

Pongo, I'm thinking along the lines of something similar to a massive strike organized by Rojo(aka: Sabre) 2-3 months ago.  That one was a lot of fun.

Whoever is willing to head up the Luftwaffe group please email me.  Who knows, maybe we can get everyone in the arena in on this.  And wouldna that be grand? =)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Kieren on February 11, 2000, 10:24:00 AM
I agree with Pongo's analysis.

I asked for the switch time to be reduced when HT was in the arena, but he must not have heard me.

As far as switching sides for 12 hours keeping you from helping out... hmmm. Sorry to hear that country loyalty overrides HA scenarios. Not a swipe at you, but that will limit a lot of fun for all.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

On the plus side, it seems as though the bulk of the people online were involved in the Scenario. WTG!
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: RedStar on February 11, 2000, 10:33:00 AM
Cave,

You know you don't have to ask me bro....I will make sure to keep those "jerry's" off you long enough to drop your bombs bro.  Count me in for sure, your guardian angel will over you head.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Tern on February 11, 2000, 11:04:00 AM
I find it highly curious that someone who flies for the "Mighty 8th" is usually found sitting in a 205, Spit or 109, rather than the 8th USAAF's rides.

What's the beef CavemanJ?   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Oh... Yeah, I could be persuaded to fly Luft or Allied.  Die as fast in both anyway.

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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Westy on February 11, 2000, 11:12:00 AM
 Thanks 214CaveJ.  I only wanted to be sure as I do mark all these events down but I never post I'll make one because.. I never know if I can. This is iffy due to a birthday party.  But I'll try!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

-Westy
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 11, 2000, 03:20:00 PM
Tern the 3 planes I'm most commonly found in are the B-17, B-26, and C.205, and I have more time in the 17s and 26s than the macchi
just make sure to put a bullseye on your bird dude =)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Gator on February 12, 2000, 12:18:00 PM
> B-17s and P-51Ds

Hang, will you be organizing a Pony escort service?  I'm interested ...

Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Kirin on February 12, 2000, 06:46:00 PM
count me in as Luftwaffe pilot

Für &*@+°à und Vaterland


Kirin out
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: maik on February 13, 2000, 05:06:00 AM
Please, prepare my 109 for Takeoff  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).

Maik
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 13, 2000, 09:03:00 AM
do we have a leader for the Luftwaffe?  Whoever's interested in leading the LW please email me (addy in profile)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Tern on February 15, 2000, 10:09:00 PM
 
Quote
Originally posted by 214CaveJ:
Tern the 3 planes I'm most commonly found in are the B-17, B-26, and C.205...
just make sure to put a bullseye on your bird dude =)
Aw man! You said it was Luftwaffle not Nips?  Where'm I gonna find a bullsey for a Luftwaffle plane?  :P

Anyway, well.. mebbe if I fly allied... yeah....  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)  That'll mebbe work cause of the sorta circle on the wing and fuselage...  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)  But, you'll have to be a mighty fine shot to hit them lil circles...   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)


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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 17, 2000, 02:26:00 PM
Ok guys, we need to push this back 1 week, to Sunday, Feb 27.
My wife has informed me that there's something we have to go do, and can't get out of it.
And we still need a leader for the Luftwaffe.  I was talking with Cobra about this in the arena a couple nights ago but haven't heard from him on it yet.
Redstar will be heading up the escorts, and I'm leading the bomber formation.

Also, maybe we'll get lucky and Nate will finish the P-38 in time for us to have a flight of ponies and a flight of FTDs escorting the bombers =)

And, of course, this event will take place in the new spec events arena =)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Gator on February 17, 2000, 10:00:00 PM
> Also, maybe we'll get lucky and Nate will finish the P-38 in time for us to have a flight of ponies and a flight of FTDs escorting the bombers =)

There you go, getting me all hot 'n bothered ...    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Saintaw on February 18, 2000, 09:23:00 AM
Sigh sigh sigh....2 hours too erly for me to be there, sigh...

I'll come to listen in at 15:00 EST...

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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Lephturn on February 18, 2000, 11:25:00 AM
Hmm... I MIGHT be back from my bud's Daytona 500 party in time.

I hope so.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

I'm tentatively in for Pony Scort duties.

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Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: Kieren on February 22, 2000, 10:58:00 AM
Ok, looks like I will try to lead the LW.

Those interested in being a brave defender of the Fatherland should e-mail me at:

kieren@hpcisp.com (home)

deckardb@nlcs.k12.in.us (work)

We'll try to coordinate a defense. It would be helpful to have 15-20 of the bravest pilots we can muster! Guaranteed action!
Title: Mighty 8th vs Luftwaffe
Post by: 214CaveJ on February 22, 2000, 12:26:00 PM
Ok, we've got all the "leaders" we need =)
I'm leading the bombers, Redstar is leading the escorts, and Kieren is heading up the Luftwaffe.

Bomber pilots email me at cavemanj@99main.com
Escort pilots email Redstar at redstar@springsips.com
Luftwaffe pilots email Kieren kieren@hpcisp.com or deckardb@nlcs.k12.in.us

You sould email your "registration" no later than 1500EST-2000ZULU on Saturday so we can see how many pilots we have and adjust the forces as needed to have historically correct numbers (proportionately).  This means we need more bombers than anything.  Please dinnse get upset if you want to fly LW but get asked to fly a B-17 (same thing for you scort pilots =)