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Title: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
  This request is directed to the players in Aces High and not Hitech.  Because Hitech can not address the problem.  Or maybe they can by posting it in their MA etiquette rules for all players.
  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
  This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.
  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !
  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ghastly on June 23, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
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This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game).

Oh, the irony.... the irony!

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Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hammer on June 23, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
Your lack of situational awareness is nobody's fault but your own. Here are a few of many possible factors which may have led to the scenario you described.

1) The "Check 6" may well have been sent before the Typhie got there but, due to lag, you didn't receive it until after you were shot up.

2) If you were between your countrymen and the typhie, there is a good chance the typhie was not within icon range until it was almost on you. If it wasn't within icon range and there are enemy planes within icon range of them, there is a good chance they didn't notice the dot approaching you.

3) If the friendlies were engaged, there is a good chance they did not notice the typhie approaching you at all.

4) If you had already become a nuisance on vox, there is a good chance people were already ignoring you and decided not to give you a "check 6".

The bottom line is that warnings and "check 6s" are nice to have but it is your job to know what is going on around you.

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 23, 2008, 02:22:49 PM
    Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

Consider this, for a moment. Most of the MA population right now is just as clueless as you are (although at least some of them have the capacity for learning and rational thought, traits you obviously lack), and relying on them to babysit you is going to (hopefully) result in your being bitterly disappointed every single time you log in.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 23, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
  This request is directed to the players in Aces High and not Hitech.  Because Hitech can not address the problem.  Or maybe they can by posting it in their MA etiquette rules for all players.
  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
  This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.
  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !
  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

There is nothing that says I have to reply to every idiot in the game, which is explains why I never reply to you in game.  Also, as others have pointed out, SA is your own responsibility.  It's not my job to warn you there is a enemy plane flying in the vicinity or one is diving on your six.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on June 23, 2008, 03:43:02 PM
  This request is directed to the players in Aces High and not Hitech.  Because Hitech can not address the problem.  Or maybe they can by posting it in their MA etiquette rules for all players.
  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
  This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.
  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !
  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

What is your in game name, I'll write you down on my "pay no mind" list.   You are on Probation in this Forum, but yet "wish to inform the masses".    Unfortunately, a few idjits will actually read your drivel and use it.   

I think you should either leave the game or take a break.   Obviously your SA sucks and you wish to take it out on the one's nearest you as you float down or end up in the tower.   

Ironically enough, the only child is yourself.   
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 23, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
 :eek:

 :frown:

 :rofl


....talk about boorish and childish....do you bother to read the tripe you type here??
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Bronk on June 23, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
Just a thought.
Probably your BBS persona has followed you to the MA. People are now squelching you as soon as they log in.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
  Don't try to apologize or rationalize away uncooperative and rude radio etiquette to me with "make believe" excuses.  If they didn't know I was inbound with a C-47 the first time, they darn sure should'a responded differently the second time I was shot down trying to reach the same base.  Guess what. A repeat of the first incident.  
  Only on the third attempt did I manage to deliver the supplies, and the ONLY reason I succeeded was because the two nme planes had expended all their bullets on the bananas hiding under their own flak and we're outbound back to their base to rearm.  I got ZERO communication support from anyone during the entire episode.
   Here's the ONLY irony in the situation..  Once the Ord was restored the bananas were able to take the fight to the nme, knock out two factory complexes and capture the enemy air base consolidating the island.  Which was the reason why the supply drop was so urgently needed in the first place.
   The whole situational awareness routine is getting old.  By the time a C-47 SEES an LA-7 he's DEADMEAT..  and you bananas darn sure know it.  The only way a C-47 can EVADE an LA-7 is if it gets a warning and can turn away before the LA-7 identifies him.
   Sure you can be childish and refuse to communicate.   I could be childish too and just fly somewhere else.  Or else sit in a Flak gun on the field WITHOUT shooting at the nme planes and enjoy watching you bananas die, because you have no ordinance to fight back with.  The whole time, I could be sitting on the ground throwing "CHECK" SIX up at you and work on your situational awareness for a while.  That sounds like something you would do.  I don't play like that though, because it RUINS the game for everybody.  
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on June 23, 2008, 04:29:35 PM
 Don't try to apologize or rationalize away uncooperative and rude radio etiquette to me with "make believe" excuses.  If they didn't know I was inbound with a C-47 the first time, they darn sure should'a responded differently the second time I was shot down trying to reach the same base.  Guess what. A repeat of the first incident.  
  Only on the third attempt did I manage to deliver the supplies, and the ONLY reason I succeeded was because the two nme planes had expended all their bullets on the bananas hiding under their own flak and we're outbound back to their base to rearm.  I got ZERO communication support from anyone during the entire episode.
   Here's the ONLY irony in the situation..  Once the Ord was restored the bananas were able to take the fight to the nme, knock out two factory complexes and capture the enemy air base consolidating the island.  Which was the reason why the supply drop was so urgently needed in the first place.
   The whole situational awareness routine is getting old.  By the time a C-47 SEES an LA-7 he's DEADMEAT..  and you bananas darn sure know it.  The only way a C-47 can EVADE an LA-7 is if it gets a warning and can turn away before the LA-7 identifies him.
   Sure you can be childish and refuse to communicate.   I could be childish too and just fly somewhere else.  Or else sit in a Flak gun on the field WITHOUT shooting at the nme planes and enjoy watching you bananas die, because you have no ordinance to fight back with.  The whole time, I could be sitting on the ground throwing "CHECK" SIX up at you and work on your situational awareness for a while.  That sounds like something you would do.  I don't play like that though, because it RUINS the game for everybody.  

Ask Phantomz how a C-47 can land two 262 kills, capture a base and land it.    I was in the C-47.

Again, what is your in game name?   
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 23, 2008, 04:32:59 PM
Anyone gotta clue rake to spare??? I think Stephen is in dire need!!! :D
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BillyD on June 23, 2008, 04:48:52 PM
I think that Typhoon was me   :aok
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hammer on June 23, 2008, 05:22:13 PM
 Don't try to apologize or rationalize away uncooperative and rude radio etiquette to me with "make believe" excuses.  If they didn't know I was inbound with a C-47 the first time, they darn sure should'a responded differently the second time I was shot down trying to reach the same base.  Guess what. A repeat of the first incident.  
  Only on the third attempt did I manage to deliver the supplies, and the ONLY reason I succeeded was because the two nme planes had expended all their bullets on the bananas hiding under their own flak and we're outbound back to their base to rearm.  I got ZERO communication support from anyone during the entire episode.
   Here's the ONLY irony in the situation..  Once the Ord was restored the bananas were able to take the fight to the nme, knock out two factory complexes and capture the enemy air base consolidating the island.  Which was the reason why the supply drop was so urgently needed in the first place.
   The whole situational awareness routine is getting old.  By the time a C-47 SEES an LA-7 he's DEADMEAT..  and you bananas darn sure know it.  The only way a C-47 can EVADE an LA-7 is if it gets a warning and can turn away before the LA-7 identifies him.
   Sure you can be childish and refuse to communicate.   I could be childish too and just fly somewhere else.  Or else sit in a Flak gun on the field WITHOUT shooting at the nme planes and enjoy watching you bananas die, because you have no ordinance to fight back with.  The whole time, I could be sitting on the ground throwing "CHECK" SIX up at you and work on your situational awareness for a while.  That sounds like something you would do.  I don't play like that though, because it RUINS the game for everybody.  
Wow. Reading your reply made me think of a reply Widewing once posted. I searched for it to use it and guess what? It was posted in response to you.

Quote from: widewing
I can fix many things, but stupid isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Rino on June 23, 2008, 05:39:11 PM
     As I have grown, I have come to the realization that the world does not
revolve around me. 
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ponyace on June 23, 2008, 05:49:18 PM
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Your lack of situational awareness is nobody's fault but your own.

Couldnt have put it any better myself, hammer. :aok  you were going to a base that you KNEW was under attack. And yet you blame the guys around you for not "protecting" you. Have you thought that perhaps its because of the bad reputation you have for blaming others for your problems that they didnt help you
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 23, 2008, 05:56:46 PM
I have this suspicion that it will never occur to him that the problem is his, and not everyone else's.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 23, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
 Don't try to apologize or rationalize away uncooperative and rude radio etiquette to me with "make believe" excuses.  If they didn't know I was inbound with a C-47 the first time, they darn sure should'a responded differently the second time I was shot down trying to reach the same base.  Guess what. A repeat of the first incident.  
  Only on the third attempt did I manage to deliver the supplies, and the ONLY reason I succeeded was because the two nme planes had expended all their bullets on the bananas hiding under their own flak and we're outbound back to their base to rearm.  I got ZERO communication support from anyone during the entire episode.
   Here's the ONLY irony in the situation..  Once the Ord was restored the bananas were able to take the fight to the nme, knock out two factory complexes and capture the enemy air base consolidating the island.  Which was the reason why the supply drop was so urgently needed in the first place.
   The whole situational awareness routine is getting old.  By the time a C-47 SEES an LA-7 he's DEADMEAT..  and you bananas darn sure know it.  The only way a C-47 can EVADE an LA-7 is if it gets a warning and can turn away before the LA-7 identifies him.
   Sure you can be childish and refuse to communicate.   I could be childish too and just fly somewhere else.  Or else sit in a Flak gun on the field WITHOUT shooting at the nme planes and enjoy watching you bananas die, because you have no ordinance to fight back with.  The whole time, I could be sitting on the ground throwing "CHECK" SIX up at you and work on your situational awareness for a while.  That sounds like something you would do.  I don't play like that though, because it RUINS the game for everybody.  

Situational Awareness is your sole responsibility and no one else's.  If you can't be bothered to check your own six (it's easier to check 6 in a C-47 than it is on a fighter so you don't have an excuse how it's hard) then why should I take the time to watch yours when I have my own to watch? 

Remember the old saying, 'When you're pointing a finger at someone, you have three pointing back at you." 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: whiteman on June 23, 2008, 06:02:33 PM

  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
 
This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.

  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !

  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

CTRL+Z, and start a new account with a different in game name.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 23, 2008, 06:14:19 PM
CTRL+Z, and start a new account with different game.

Now THIS is great advice!!!! :aok
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Widewing on June 23, 2008, 08:29:53 PM
I can't blame others for what I didn't notice. I'm responsible for me.

On the other hand, it seems like I'm constantly giving verbal warnings to friendlies in the area, or a check six if there is excessive radio chatter. Because I'm quick to offer warnings, I get lots of warnings in return. With rare exception, I am already aware of the enemy, but I always say "thanks" anyway as it isn't someone's obligation to watch my six. It is a courtesy, and I appreciate it.

I give the most warnings when I'm in a Wirbel or an Ostwind as I have a better view of the situation around me, and thus can see something developing that the guys flying may not yet detect. In a similar fashion, I can direct someone to my location where I can shoot the attacker off his tail if need be.

Speaking of communication, team work breeds communication. As an example, I'll see a town flashing near an enemy spawn. I go there and investigate. If there is a significant vehicle attack under way, I ask for assistance on country channel. Most of the time, a few guys respond. I talk with them and organize a coordinated defense. Some will roll tanks, others launch aircraft. Within minutes you will find that players will cooperate, spotting for ground assets or drawing fire to give a teammate a clean bomb run. When my bombs are gone, I'll fly as a FAC, giving detailed accounts of what and where the opposition is, guiding planes and tanks to the enemy. Once the others have a good concept of the situation, I'll rearm.

You can be a leader without issuing orders. You will never be a leader if you spend much of your time whining. Complement your teammates for trying, not just for succeeding. Don't give them grief if they screw up. Instead, encourage them to try again. "You'll get 'em next time."

Being a team player goes a long way to developing a relationship where teammates know that you will try to get them out of trouble if feasible. That doesn't mean diving into a horde trying to save someone with poor judgment. It means providing advice before the mistake is made. Offering help if needed, without be presumptive. That requires paying attention, having good situational awareness. Don't think that you're a Field Marshal, directing people to do your bidding. Trust me, you're not an expert. Even if by some strange quirk of fate, you are; no one cares. This is recreation, not the military. Been there, done that; not interested in putting up with it in my spare time.

Be an asset, not a liability. Be polite. Don't berate others if they don't play the way you would like them to. It's their "nickel". Don't complain about things unless it's an overt breach of etiquette. Every country has its share of dorks who will shoot wingless aircraft or run their mouth endlessly. These guys don't get warnings or a check six. They don't deserve the courtesy. However, the bulk of the players are good guys trying to have some fun, and they will respond to courtesy and respect.

Think of it this way; it's like peeing in the pool and complaining about the water being yellow.

Just because you elected to fly a C-47 into a base with a big, red DARBAR, don't expect people to cover your mistake. You have to accept the consequences of your decision, not complain about their decision to attend to their own issues. Run in an M3 instead. I run supplies to beleaguered bases all the time. However, I don't hope that someone will come to my rescue. In that regard, I opt for the M3, which is rarely detected by enemy aircraft. C-47s are big, fat targets and difficult to protect. I've killed many a C-47 that had escorts. They could do nothing.

It doesn't matter which country you are flying for, there is little difference if any. We have strat players, horde hounds, lone eagles, aces and the helpless. What all of them have in common is the desire to have some fun. If you as a player enhance that, add to the fun or help them enjoy themselves, everyone will be glad you are on their team. It seems to me that to accomplish this, even in the smallest of terms, you need to change the way you think. If you're having issues with lots of folks, you need to realize that the only sure-fire constant in every situation is you....

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
  Nobody inflight can be held "responsible" for knowing what enemy planes are vulching a base he's flying towards if the radar is down.  That kind of "Situational Awareness" simply DOESN'T EXIST.  Unless you happen to be GOD, or, you're playing on TWO computers simultaneously.  Because you'd literally have to be in TWO places at one time.  The only way you get that kind of information inflight, is from OTHER players in text or vox who are already at the base.  So the argument about players being SOLELY responsible for their OWN awareness is complete rubbish.  It's FANTASY.  And anyone who's played the game for more than one hour knows it.
  See that's the problem with the way you guys respond to complaints.  You just make up unreal, unbelievable stuff and post it like it's the gospel with a few choice insults thrown in.  Then you wonder why other players don't take anything you say seriously. 
  I already know why you want my game i.d.  So you can post my score and other comments in other forum threads and do all kinds of childish nonsense in a vain attempt to change the topic so you can try to conceal your IGNORANCE from the forum.  Been there. You already done that in other threads.  STAY ON TOPIC OR STOP POSTING OR YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO HITECH.   
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 23, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
  Nobody inflight can be held "responsible" for knowing what enemy planes are vulching a base he's flying towards if the radar is down.  That kind of "Situational Awareness" simply DOESN'T EXIST.  Unless you happen to be GOD, or, you're playing on TWO computers simultaneously.  Because you'd literally have to be in TWO places at one time.  The only way you get that kind of information inflight, is from OTHER players in text or vox who are already at the base.  So the argument about players being SOLELY responsible for their OWN awareness is complete rubbish.  It's FANTASY.  And anyone who's played the game for more than one hour knows it.
  See that's the problem with the way you guys respond to complaints.  You just make up unreal, unbelievable stuff and post it like it's the gospel with a few choice insults thrown in.  Then you wonder why other players don't take anything you say seriously. 
  I already know why you want my game i.d.  So you can post my score and other comments in other forum threads and do all kinds of childish nonsense in a vain attempt to change the topic so you can try to conceal your IGNORANCE from the forum.  Been there. You already done that in other threads.  STAY ON TOPIC OR STOP POSTING OR YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO HITECH.   


If you take off from a base and head to your target completely blind then you have no one to blame but yourself for flying into the kind of situation you described.  It's your fault, no one else's.  Then to demand that someone else be your eyes because you refuse to open yours is silly at best.  All you have to do is ask over vox "hey, any bogies over field XX?" or "Hey, I've got a plane full of drunks, can you CAP town?" works wonders.  I have yet have anyone not answer me when I ask those questions, might want to ask yourself why no one responds to you when you ask.

And please, report me to HTC.  I'm sure will all the work they have they can use a chuckle or two your reporting will generate, though you may have to foot the bill for monitor clean up expenses.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 23, 2008, 09:26:57 PM
Speaking of concealing ignorance, you are doing a really poor job with yours.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Widewing on June 23, 2008, 09:45:09 PM
  Nobody inflight can be held "responsible" for knowing what enemy planes are vulching a base he's flying towards if the radar is down.  That kind of "Situational Awareness" simply DOESN'T EXIST.

Sure it does.. Even without dot dar, you can see the darbar, can't you? Situational awareness extends beyond limit of your sight. One has to examine the map and draw basic conclusions. No one can reason for you, you must reason for yourself.

 
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Unless you happen to be GOD, or, you're playing on TWO computers simultaneously.  Because you'd literally have to be in TWO places at one time.  The only way you get that kind of information inflight, is from OTHER players in text or vox who are already at the base.  So the argument about players being SOLELY responsible for their OWN awareness is complete rubbish.  It's FANTASY.  And anyone who's played the game for more than one hour knows it.

I've been playing for many years. I can usually determine if the field is hot without asking. You can too if you assume responsibility for your own survival.

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  See that's the problem with the way you guys respond to complaints.  You just make up unreal, unbelievable stuff and post it like it's the gospel with a few choice insults thrown in.

If you have a legitimate complaint, people will respond accordingly. Your complaint is without merit. It's your own fault....


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Then you wonder why other players don't take anything you say seriously.

I don't wonder any such thing. Neither do any of the others.
 
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I already know why you want my game i.d.  So you can post my score and other comments in other forum threads and do all kinds of childish nonsense in a vain attempt to change the topic so you can try to conceal your IGNORANCE from the forum.  Been there. You already done that in other threads.

People have suggested that your problem is your own doing. You just don't care for the answers. Tough luck...

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STAY ON TOPIC OR STOP POSTING OR YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO HITECH.

By all means, feel free to report the posters to HTC. However, inasmuch as the ice supporting you right now is as thin as cheesecloth, I wouldn't make a deliberate effort to draw additional attention to yourself from HTC.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hammer on June 23, 2008, 09:45:17 PM
  Nobody inflight can be held "responsible" for knowing what enemy planes are vulching a base he's flying towards if the radar is down.  That kind of "Situational Awareness" simply DOESN'T EXIST. 
Simply not true. While you won't know exactly what planes are there, just a little bit of in-game experience along with some common sense can give you a good idea of what is happening at any base on the map. If your base is flashing, there is anywhere close to even red and green dar-bars, and the friendly dots are clustered around the base, you can bet your paycheck the base is capped. That means you are going to run into enemy on the deck with other enemy coming in with some altitude. You can estimate how high those planes might be coming in by how far away the nearest enemy base is and doing a little math. If you need more help, here is a writeup on situation awareness (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/sa/sa.htm). The author, I might add, is one of my favorite people. :D

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 09:46:09 PM
  I tell you what. Let's try an experiment instead. You claim someone can practice situational awareness in a situation they haven't arrived at yet.  O.K.  So you give me the names of five shoppers who will be a WalMart in Slidell, Louisiana at 11:00 PM tonight.  Right now.  I'll go there at exactly 11:00 PM and page them on the intercom and ask them to come to the customer service desk.  You already know how many of them are going to show up...  ZERO.  But we'll give it a shot since you're so sure you're right.
  Next I'll give you all day and all night Tuesday to "practice" you're situational awareness skills.  And we'll have another go at it 11:00 PM tommorrow night. And we'll see just how long you're going to continue with this INSANE argument.    
  There's no way a pilot enroute to a base with the radar down can know before he gets there what opposition he will encounter, without using a radio to call someone else who's already there.  I don't care how much you practice.  That's why they put radios in airplanes.  Now that IS on topic.
  
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hammer on June 23, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
You will find mostly La-7s, Typhoons, Spit-16s, and P-51s. Anything else will be rare and encountered in 1s or 2s. I have now told you what to expect at any base you go to.

You're welcome.

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Widewing on June 23, 2008, 09:56:41 PM
  I tell you what. Let's try an experiment instead. You claim someone can practice situational awareness in a situation they haven't arrived at yet.  O.K.  So you give me the names of five shoppers who will be a WalMart in Slidell, Louisiana at 11:00 PM tonight.  Right now.  I'll go there at exactly 11:00 PM and page them on the intercom and ask them to come to the customer service desk.  You already know how many of them are going to show up...  ZERO.  But we'll give it a shot since you're so sure you're right.
  Next I'll give you all day and all night Tuesday to "practice" you're situational awareness skills.  And we'll have another go at it 11:00 PM tommorrow night. And we'll see just how long you're going to continue with this INSANE argument.     
  There's no way a pilot enroute to a base with the radar down can know before he gets there what opposition he will encounter, without using a radio to call someone else who's already there.  I don't care how much you practice.  That's why they put radios in airplanes.  Now that IS on topic.
 

Stephen, I don't know exactly what the density of your cranial matter is, but I suspect we could coat spent nuclear fuel rods with it and safely bury them under a playground.

Use the link Hammer provided...


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: angelsandair on June 23, 2008, 09:58:36 PM
Consider this, for a moment. Most of the MA population right now is just as clueless as you are (although at least some of them have the capacity for learning and rational thought, traits you obviously lack), and relying on them to babysit you is going to (hopefully) result in your being bitterly disappointed every single time you log in.


Stephan, I don't know exactly what the density of your cranial matter is, but I suspect we could coat spent nuclear fuel rods with it and safely bury them under a playground.

Use the link Hammer provided...


My regards,

Widewing


DOUBLE PWNT!
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SD67 on June 23, 2008, 10:50:45 PM
What's that noise? :noid
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Soulyss on June 23, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
 I tell you what. Let's try an experiment instead. You claim someone can practice situational awareness in a situation they haven't arrived at yet.  O.K.  So you give me the names of five shoppers who will be a WalMart in Slidell, Louisiana at 11:00 PM tonight.  Right now.  I'll go there at exactly 11:00 PM and page them on the intercom and ask them to come to the customer service desk.  You already know how many of them are going to show up...  ZERO.  But we'll give it a shot since you're so sure you're right.
  Next I'll give you all day and all night Tuesday to "practice" you're situational awareness skills.  And we'll have another go at it 11:00 PM tommorrow night. And we'll see just how long you're going to continue with this INSANE argument.    
  There's no way a pilot enroute to a base with the radar down can know before he gets there what opposition he will encounter, without using a radio to call someone else who's already there.  I don't care how much you practice.  That's why they put radios in airplanes.  Now that IS on topic.
  

I know I shouldn't bother but this analogy is flawed in so many ways I don't even know where to start.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 23, 2008, 11:01:07 PM
   I already know why you want my game i.d.  So you can post my score and other comments in other forum threads and do all kinds of childish nonsense in a vain attempt to change the topic so you can try to conceal your IGNORANCE from the forum.  Been there. You already done that in other threads.  STAY ON TOPIC OR STOP POSTING OR YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO HITECH.   


It's "waldren", by the way, should you happen to encounter him during the 7 or 8 hours a day that he plays.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 11:02:50 PM
 O.K. it's one minute to 11:00 PM.  I'm here at WalMart with my laptop.  Let's say you're in a C-47 inbound  one minute out.  I don't see anyone standing around here talking to you on a radio.  So you're in the same situation I was in last night. Now give me the name of 5 shoppers here at WalMart.  C'Mon let's see you use some of that "Situational" awareness.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 23, 2008, 11:05:39 PM
  Hmmm.  It's now 11:03 PM.  I tell you what.  You practice till tommorrow night and we'll give it another try and see how much you've improved.  Will make it easier too. Instead of 5 names, just give me the name of one shopper who is here.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Lusche on June 23, 2008, 11:06:37 PM
What's that noise? :noid

The sound of a tiny snail desperately trying to get away from this very, very tempting thread... (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/694/snaismillkv3.gif)
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: DaveJ on June 23, 2008, 11:14:10 PM
Maybe you being a moron is one reason why people don't respond to you in the MA.

And perhaps after you died the first two times in your C-47, you would think TO LOOK AROUND to spot enemy cons as you approached the airfield to drop sups. But I guess that sort of brain power escapes you.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Newman5 on June 23, 2008, 11:38:52 PM
  Hmmm.  It's now 11:03 PM.  I tell you what.  You practice till tommorrow night and we'll give it another try and see how much you've improved.  Will make it easier too. Instead of 5 names, just give me the name of one shopper who is here.

You have some of the brightest minds in all of AH trying to help you out and you are not listening.  Do yourself a favor and read or re-read the Situational Awareness write up on the trainers page.  Please. 

And btw, you are already on probation, so you might want to keep the @#$%^ words out of your posts if you like to continue to have access to the forums.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stodd on June 23, 2008, 11:45:57 PM
  This request is directed to the players in Aces High and not Hitech.  Because Hitech can not address the problem.  Or maybe they can by posting it in their MA etiquette rules for all players.
  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
  This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.
  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !
  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

 Translation: I GOT SHOT DOWN AND DIDNT GET A CHECK 6 ITS EVERY ONE ELSES FAULT!!!! HTC MAKE THEM LISTEN TO ME!!!!! NOW!!! !
  :furious   :cry :cry    :lol :lol   :rofl
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Newman5 on June 23, 2008, 11:46:45 PM
Translation: I GOT SHOT DOWN AND DIDNT GET A CHECK 6 ITS EVERY ONE ELSES FAULT!!!! HTC MAKE THEM LISTEN TO ME!!!!! NOW!!! !
  :furious   :cry :cry    :lol :lol   :rofl

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 12:00:27 AM
Waldron should patent himself as a perpetual motion machine, for behold: he attracts infinite amounts of energy regardless of what amoebic pertinence his posts are made of.  Soon enough the end of the world will come, for as Ghistradamus prophesized, the end is nigh, indeed!: the amount of sound advice poured into Waldron's pinsized head will exceed its schwarzchild radius and implode itself in a spacetime dweebularity like the house in Poltergeist.

ALL HAIL GHISTRADAMUS!
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BaldEagl on June 24, 2008, 12:26:08 AM
This is sort of like "No honey, we don't need to stop and ask directions.  I know where I'm going" rather than reading the map or using the GPS.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: AirFlyer on June 24, 2008, 12:45:25 AM
Wow, is this guy for real? I haven't been on the forums much until recently but this thread by far tops everything I've seen in awhile.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hammer on June 24, 2008, 07:11:04 AM
O.K. it's one minute to 11:00 PM.  I'm here at WalMart with my laptop.  Let's say you're in a C-47 inbound  one minute out.  I don't see anyone standing around here talking to you on a radio.  So you're in the same situation I was in last night. Now give me the name of 5 shoppers here at WalMart.  C'Mon let's see you use some of that "Situational" awareness.
Since the names of the pilots don't really matter, I'll just tell you that there are 2 shopping carts, 1 basket, and 2 people carrying things in their hands. Watch out for the shopping carts... they are noobs and will probably run into you. Don't blame the guy with the basket for not giving you a warning, though. He's too busy looking at the discount DVDs to notice your danger. The other 2 are looking the other way and didn't realize that keeping you safe was their first priority.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 07:35:57 AM
I know I shouldn't bother but this analogy is flawed in so many ways I don't even know where to start.


Yes, the analogy shows exactly why stephen got wacked. He, obviously, has no concept of SA or the tools that are available in the game to support it.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Xasthur on June 24, 2008, 07:41:54 AM
Maybe you being a moron is one reason why people don't respond to you in the MA.

And perhaps after you died the first two times in your C-47, you would think TO LOOK AROUND to spot enemy cons as you approached the airfield to drop sups. But I guess that sort of brain power escapes you.

There can be no excuse for not seeing things closing on you in a C47. You have God mode view and you can view every single angle with very little effort.

C47s also turn like Spits and because they fly SO slow anything coming in from high on you shouldn't be much of a threat. All you need to do is pull a tight turn inside their angle of attack and any high and fast attacker will have a hard time getting guns on you at all, let alone enough of said guns to maul you.

Like Widewing has said, if you're a banana in-game no one will check 6 you. I know that there are a few guys that I will not check 6 for any reason, regardless of how much trouble they're in. Their behaviour has led me to think so poorly of them that I will not lift a finger (literally) to enhance their leisure time. Of course, I am happy for them to prove me wrong and there are also plenty of guys that I actually genuinely like flying with and against now that I absolutely hated at first.

Waldron, the way you are conducting yourself here leads me to believe that most people would sooner fly across your guns so you killshot yourself before they gave you a check 6.

Your 'safety' is your responsibility. Work well with others and you may be granted the courtesy (not right) of having others share that responsibility with you.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BaldEagl on June 24, 2008, 08:31:35 AM
Like Widewing has said, if you're a banana in-game no one will check 6 you. I know that there are a few guys that I will not check 6 for any reason, regardless of how much trouble they're in. Their behaviour has led me to think so poorly of them that I will not lift a finger (literally) to enhance their leisure time.

Translation:  No one wants to clear the 6 of an a@@ spewing poo.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 24, 2008, 09:01:34 AM
 I tell you what. Let's try an experiment instead. You claim someone can practice situational awareness in a situation they haven't arrived at yet.  O.K.  So you give me the names of five shoppers who will be a WalMart in Slidell, Louisiana at 11:00 PM tonight.  Right now.  I'll go there at exactly 11:00 PM and page them on the intercom and ask them to come to the customer service desk.  You already know how many of them are going to show up...  ZERO.  But we'll give it a shot since you're so sure you're right.
  Next I'll give you all day and all night Tuesday to "practice" you're situational awareness skills.  And we'll have another go at it 11:00 PM tommorrow night. And we'll see just how long you're going to continue with this INSANE argument.    
  There's no way a pilot enroute to a base with the radar down can know before he gets there what opposition he will encounter, without using a radio to call someone else who's already there.  I don't care how much you practice.  That's why they put radios in airplanes.  Now that IS on topic.
  

Let's see if you can absorb this ...

I roll a C-47.

I look at the map and the sector that my target base is in.

The red darbar is at max.

The green darbar is half the size of the red darbar.

I see that there are 4 green dots in that sector.

I can now assume that the enemy population in that sector, with good certainty, is probably twice the amount of friendlies.

I can figure all that out ... before my wheels have left the ground ... and it would more than likely be very accurate.

Your total lack of gameplay mechanics knowledge is not something new to us, for a newcomer, but it's your arrogance and insistence that you really do know the gameplay mechanics is what is blowing our minds.

In the 6+ years that I have been in this game and on this BBS, I have seen some real "winners", but you, by far, have moved to the top of the "winners" list.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: angelsandair on June 24, 2008, 10:55:35 AM


In the 6+ years that I have been in this game and on this BBS, I have seen some real "winners", but you, by far, have moved to the top of the "winners" list.

What about Valdals and CMustard?  :O  :noid
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 24, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
  Good communication is THE single most important factor in a successful engagement.  Too much is made in the AH community about minute details like comparing armor thickness and the difference between the trajectory of a 30mm cannon round compared to a 20mm.  Much is also made about the need for pilots to practice their skills.  But neither practice nor a good knowledge of minutia is going to save your plane if you dive on a deacked airbase and there's an nme Flak Panzer sitting down there you don't know about, because none of your countrymen bothered to warn you about it. 
   Poor communication results in unnecessary casualties and missed opportunities to strike at the enemy.  The net result is a blown mission, an enemy who escapes and lots of friendly casualties.  Naturally these premadonnas are incapable of accepting responsibility for the failure of a mission or the untimely demise of their countrymen.  Instead, they're going to blame it on your lack of skill, general knowledge and situational awareness. 
   "Situational" awareness is not just the product of one individuals skill to correctly assess a situation.  It is the cooperation and input of many individuals that leads to a complete picture of the battlefield.  So ironically, the excuse most used to explain failure is relevant, but not in the sense it is most commonly applied.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: APDrone on June 24, 2008, 02:34:25 PM
  Good communication is THE single most important factor in a successful engagement.  Too much is made in the AH community about minute details like comparing armor thickness and the difference between the trajectory of a 30mm cannon round compared to a 20mm.  Much is also made about the need for pilots to practice their skills.  But neither practice nor a good knowledge of minutia is going to save your plane if you dive on a deacked airbase and there's an nme Flak Panzer sitting down there you don't know about, because none of your countrymen bothered to warn you about it. 
   Poor communication results in unnecessary casualties and missed opportunities to strike at the enemy.  The net result is a blown mission, an enemy who escapes and lots of friendly casualties.  Naturally these premadonnas are incapable of accepting responsibility for the failure of a mission or the untimely demise of their countrymen.  Instead, they're going to blame it on your lack of skill, general knowledge and situational awareness. 
   "Situational" awareness is not just the product of one individuals skill to correctly assess a situation.  It is the cooperation and input of many individuals that leads to a complete picture of the battlefield.  So ironically, the excuse most used to explain failure is relevant, but not in the sense it is most commonly applied.

Mr. Waldron,

The biggest misconception you seem to have is that everybody who is playing at any given time has the same priorities and objectives .. or SHOULD have as you do.

Once you get over this misconception, you will find AH Karma and enlightenment.

At any given time, hundreds of people are involved with their own priorities and agendas for what they wish to accomplish in the game.  Some it's field capture, others it's furballing, other it's toolshedding, others it's radar-busting, other it's field gunning..etc ad nausem.

Each of these people are playing for themselves for their enjoyment. 

Occasionally, the stars will align and a 'zone' of cooperation happens and teamwork ensues.  This can be a wonderful time, for sure.. but it cannot be enforced, mandated, nor otherwise created by the mere desires of a handful.

Relish the times when it happens. 

Tolerate the times when it doesn't.

Once you have mastered that, you can pursue the sound of one hand clapping.




 
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 24, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
He has to be a troll, as no one could be this stupid without applying themselves to the task. Such a person as he pretends to be could not have survived his first unsupervised bath.

Situational awareness is defined as being told what is happening around you by others, while stubbornly refusing to directly observe these events yourself?

That's not even good bait and he got us.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ghastly on June 24, 2008, 03:05:05 PM
Quote
But neither practice nor a good knowledge of minutia is going to save your plane if you dive on a deacked airbase and there's an nme Flak Panzer sitting down there you don't know about, because none of your countrymen bothered to warn you about it.

What part of it's not someone else's job to tell you about the Flak Panzer do you still not get?

Hubs, I suspect that he's just one of those individuals that can't let a few little things like facts disrupt his version of reality. I believe that they have a word for that condition ...
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 24, 2008, 03:08:15 PM
  Another most commonly used excuse for poor communication is game lag.  This one really tickles me, because lag appears to occur most frequently in conjunction with the absence of a timely warning.  LOL.  Ever notice that ?  
  Since I've been playing AH I've seen nme planes warp all over the screen maybe a dozen times.  I certainly don't expect "lag" to be a major factor every time I take a plane up, or, I'd have to find another game to play.  Yet lag is constantly being used to excuse a lack of communication.
  Nobody gives you the range to target an nme CV with your 8 inch gun.. it's lag.  Nobody bothers to mention the nme panzer sitting on the beach when you launch an LVT..  it's lag.  Nobody mentions the nme CV was sunk five minutes ago and you end up flying into the CAP it left behind..  Guess what ?  Of course it's LAG.
  When this excuse is used so frequently in the same situations, you insult the intelligence of the other players.  Believe me.  We know the difference between lag and withholding of information.  You're not fooling anyone and you are ruining the game for everyone.
  Let's try to be a little more professional out there and expand our "situational" awareness to include the other guy.  And lose the "lag" excuse.  
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on June 24, 2008, 03:35:19 PM
It's "waldren", by the way, should you happen to encounter him during the 7 or 8 hours a day that he plays.

Duly noted, thanks Hub.   He's on "my list".    <<S>> bud.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 03:42:48 PM
He has to be a troll, as no one could be this stupid without applying themselves to the task. Such a person as he pretends to be could not have survived his first unsupervised bath.

Situational awareness is defined as being told what is happening around you by others, while stubbornly refusing to directly observe these events yourself?

That's not even good bait and he got us.

Hub...

Call me sentimental...but, I do believe this guy is that dumb.  :D
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Nisky on June 24, 2008, 03:44:45 PM
Btw what alt were you at from the ground?
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 24, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
What about Valdals and CMustard?  :O  :noid

They have been pushed down to 2nd on the list (they are tied) ...  ;)
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 24, 2008, 04:40:36 PM
 Another most commonly used excuse for poor communication is game lag.  This one really tickles me, because lag appears to occur most frequently in conjunction with the absence of a timely warning.  LOL.  Ever notice that ?  
  Since I've been playing AH I've seen nme planes warp all over the screen maybe a dozen times.  I certainly don't expect "lag" to be a major factor every time I take a plane up, or, I'd have to find another game to play.  Yet lag is constantly being used to excuse a lack of communication.
  Nobody gives you the range to target an nme CV with your 8 inch gun.. it's lag.  Nobody bothers to mention the nme panzer sitting on the beach when you launch an LVT..  it's lag.  Nobody mentions the nme CV was sunk five minutes ago and you end up flying into the CAP it left behind..  Guess what ?  Of course it's LAG.
  When this excuse is used so frequently in the same situations, you insult the intelligence of the other players.  Believe me.  We know the difference between lag and withholding of information.  You're not fooling anyone and you are ruining the game for everyone.
  Let's try to be a little more professional out there and expand our "situational" awareness to include the other guy.  And lose the "lag" excuse.  

I can get a "situation report" anytime I ask over any field, and I can also get distance to CV targets when in the 8 inch guns, if someone has already hit it ... probably because I don't piss people off and treat them with respect.

Let me see if maybe this may clear things up for you.

If the arrogance that you display on the BBS is an indication of what you may display while in the game, then the lack of communication, by them, with you, is probably directly attributed to your arrogant attitude ... it has nothing to do with lag. People probably just don't like you, and with that, they just don't care to "communicate" with you ... I know that I won't be "communicating" with you anytime soon in the MAs if I am in the same area as you ... and believe me, I won't be relying on yours, as I don't rely on others either ... I am solely responsible for myself.

Keep pissin' people off.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BaldEagl on June 24, 2008, 04:46:28 PM
But neither practice nor a good knowledge of minutia is going to save your plane if you dive on a deacked airbase and there's an nme Flak Panzer sitting down there you don't know about, because none of your countrymen bothered to warn you about it. 

Ummm... might be stating the obvious here but did you consider looking down before you dove in?  BTW, down is v way.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 24, 2008, 04:53:12 PM
Ummm... might be stating the obvious here but did you consider looking down before you dove in?  BTW, down is v way.

Why would he ?

He is relying on everyone else around him to be his eyes and ears with no responsibility on his part ... his failings is our fault.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Lusche on June 24, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
Why would he ?

He is relying on everyone else around him to be his eyes and ears with no responsibility on his part ... his failings is our fault.

Just like he demanded CV should be locked when someone takes off ("taking off from turning CV is a stunt"), or external views enabled for figthers for "increased realism"

Each time he fails, it's the game's fault...
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 24, 2008, 11:00:26 PM
  Oh ! How silly of me.  I didn't realize you had to be a "SUCK-UP" to get everyone else in the game to talk to you.  I thought that was in YOUR interest, not mine.  Unless you are such a premodonna you think ONLY YOU have anything to contribute to winning the game.
  And daring to criticize anyone will get you alienated ?  How old are you guys ?  ten years old ?  That stuff hasn't been in since grade school.  You can stick both fingers in your ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP YOUR FEET and hold your breath until you pass out for all I care. 
   I never got any useful information from one of you guys in the past in the MA, what's supposed to make me think it's gonna happen in the future if I "SUCK-UP" and tell you how friggin brilliant you are ?  What's my motivation ?  I mean since you brought it up.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: RAIDER14 on June 24, 2008, 11:05:33 PM
just give up all your going to get out of this is a PNG
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 24, 2008, 11:26:04 PM
nm, I'm kind of enjoying this...
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 11:26:57 PM
  Oh ! How silly of me. The only way I could ever get anyone in the game to talk to me is to "SUCK-UP" .  Because all I know is MY interest, not anyone else's.  I am such a premodonna that I think ONLY ME could have anything to contribute to winning the game.
  Anyone daring to criticize what I say makes me feel alienated!  How old is my mental age?  ten years old ?  That stuff hasn't been in since grade school.  I can and so far always do stick both fingers in my ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP my FEET and hold my breath until I pass out for all anyone cares. 
   I never got any useful information from one of you guys in the past in the MA, and nothing could make me think it's gonna happen in the future since the only alternative to "SUCKING UP" I can imagine [cue Freud] is to stick both fingers in my ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP my FEET and hold my breath until I pass out "SUCKING-UP" and telling you how friggin brilliant you are.  What's my motivation ?  Playing out the same retarded nonsense as in every other thread I've started so far.
qft
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Widewing on June 24, 2008, 11:38:27 PM
  a premodonna

LOLOLOL  Prima donna would be the correct term....

Listen Stephen, the sucking up noise I hear is that vacuum between your ears attempting to equalize to ambient. You are the most disagreeable curmudgeon we've had on this BBS in many years. You've had experts offer good advice, to which you turn up your nose. Clearly, you have the survival instinct of a blind squirrel crossing an interstate. Your bent towards self-destruction, however, is quite amusing.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Rollins on June 24, 2008, 11:50:10 PM
  Oh ! How silly of me.  I didn't realize you had to be a "SUCK-UP" to get everyone else in the game to talk to you.  I thought that was in YOUR interest, not mine.  Unless you are such a premodonna you think ONLY YOU have anything to contribute to winning the game.
  And daring to criticize anyone will get you alienated ?  How old are you guys ?  ten years old ?  That stuff hasn't been in since grade school.  You can stick both fingers in your ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP YOUR FEET and hold your breath until you pass out for all I care. 
   I never got any useful information from one of you guys in the past in the MA, what's supposed to make me think it's gonna happen in the future if I "SUCK-UP" and tell you how friggin brilliant you are ?  What's my motivation ?  I mean since you brought it up.

While I agree that you must be a troll, I'll play along and go with 'you're not'.  That point made, take 30 seconds and actually read what you posted. I mean really read it.  Are you hardly surprised that you are getting the reception you are?
You're coming to dinner, complaining about the food, then when it's explained to you how it's made and how you can enjoy it...ya take a dump on the table and burst into tears.  Really, c'mon.


Edit: Whoops missed that one.
By the way, it's "prima donna", not "pre-madonna", you stupid bastard.

 :rofl
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Delirium on June 24, 2008, 11:56:00 PM
All I ask is he cut down to one post a week, otherwise the comical nature of it gets over-played.

Think about it, we can call it 'Wednesdays With Waldron' and he can entertain us with his whimsical posts.

How about this Wednesday (today) we have the first 'Wednesdays With Waldron' (called WWW in the future) be centered around;

 "Why do the enemy planes move when I get a gun solution on them? They shouldn't be allowed to do that!"
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2008, 12:59:24 AM
Clearly, you have the survival instinct of a blind squirrel crossing an interstate.

If you keep this up you're going to take over Hubs as my favorite poster to read.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Nisky on June 25, 2008, 02:06:34 AM
All I ask is he cut down to one post a week, otherwise the comical nature of it gets over-played.

Think about it, we can call it 'Wednesdays With Waldron' and he can entertain us with his whimsical posts.

How about this Wednesday (today) we have the first 'Wednesdays With Waldron' (called WWW in the future) be centered around;

 "Why do the enemy planes move when I get a gun solution on them? They shouldn't be allowed to do that!"

I fell outta my chair laughing at this
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Cajunn on June 25, 2008, 02:37:22 AM
 :rofl

I just knew this was going to get ugly....Even a noob knows not to post a thread like this....and let me look to see if i have any donut left because I think I just mine chewed!!!
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: moot on June 25, 2008, 03:31:27 AM
You guys obviously like to pick on the newcomers!
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Noir on June 25, 2008, 04:03:20 AM
check 6 ! a typhoon will be killing you in 10 seconds ! you're dead with a check 6, does that change anything ?

If you were going to a friendly field, why didn't you check the target area from the tower before rolling ?

Ok I took the bait, but I'm starting to enjoy this thread  :D
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: NoBaddy on June 25, 2008, 07:39:51 AM
How old are you guys ?  ten years old ?  That stuff hasn't been in since grade school.  You can stick both fingers in your ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP YOUR FEET and hold your breath until you pass out for all I care. 

 :frown:
Don't you get it? What you typed above is precisely what you have been doing in this thread since you started it. Why do you think people believe you are a squeaker or a troll?? It's because you are acting like one.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 25, 2008, 08:49:42 AM
  Oh ! How silly of me.  I didn't realize you had to be a "SUCK-UP" to get everyone else in the game to talk to you.  I thought that was in YOUR interest, not mine.  Unless you are such a premodonna you think ONLY YOU have anything to contribute to winning the game.
  And daring to criticize anyone will get you alienated ?  How old are you guys ?  ten years old ?  That stuff hasn't been in since grade school.  You can stick both fingers in your ears and scream.. NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NAH ! NANNY ! NAH ! and STAMP YOUR FEET and hold your breath until you pass out for all I care. 
   I never got any useful information from one of you guys in the past in the MA, what's supposed to make me think it's gonna happen in the future if I "SUCK-UP" and tell you how friggin brilliant you are ?  What's my motivation ?  I mean since you brought it up.

"SUCKING UP" is no where near ... treating people with "RESPECT".

I am not the least surprised that you don't know the difference. Your arrogance would never allow you to see people as an equal and treat them with any semblance of "respect". Until you lose your feeling of superior self importance, your ability to communicate with people (in this game), and their ability to communicate with you, will suffer terribly.

Arrogance

Ar"ro*gance\, n. [F., fr. L. arrogantia, fr. arrogans. See Arrogant.] The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: BaldEagl on June 25, 2008, 09:02:39 AM
Arrogance

Ar"ro*gance\, n. [F., fr. L. arrogantia, fr. arrogans. See Arrogant.] The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption.

Oh my, he's never going to understand all those big words when he doesn't even understand the small ones like "look".
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: angelsandair on June 25, 2008, 11:44:21 AM
LOLOLOL  Prima donna would be the correct term....

Listen Stephen, the sucking up noise I hear is that vacuum between your ears attempting to equalize to ambient. You are the most disagreeable curmudgeon we've had on this BBS in many years. You've had experts offer good advice, to which you turn up your nose. Clearly, you have the survival instinct of a blind squirrel crossing an interstate. Your bent towards self-destruction, however, is quite amusing.

My regards,

Widewing

Triple Pwnt.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Rino on June 25, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
     What I can't understand is why he keeps coming back to post.  Makes me
wonder if he keeps hitting his thumb with a hammer to see if it still hurts.

     Classic case of Attention Shortage Syndrome.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: YOUREX on June 25, 2008, 03:02:33 PM
Wow Stephen how big is your boat  your gettin some lunkers here
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stodd on June 25, 2008, 08:04:43 PM
All I ask is he cut down to one post a week, otherwise the comical nature of it gets over-played.

Think about it, we can call it 'Wednesdays With Waldron' and he can entertain us with his whimsical posts.

How about this Wednesday (today) we have the first 'Wednesdays With Waldron' (called WWW in the future) be centered around;

 "Why do the enemy planes move when I get a gun solution on them? They shouldn't be allowed to do that!"

LOLz
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stephen waldron on June 26, 2008, 02:17:04 AM
  I will end this thread with this final comment (as requested by you, the non-communicators).  It's obvious this isn't going anywhere anyway.  Pretty much what i expected. 
  The people at HITECH are absolutely right to REMOVE both TRAINING and OPERATIONS from the hands of AH players in COMBAT TOUR.  It's time to take the keys back from the mental patients in the State Hospital and restore some order and sanity to ACES HIGH.  It should have been done years ago.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Lusche on June 26, 2008, 02:29:29 AM
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Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: RAIDER14 on June 26, 2008, 02:38:52 AM
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Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: hubsonfire on June 26, 2008, 08:37:20 AM
Aaaaand... cut! That's a wrap.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Max on June 26, 2008, 09:19:57 AM
O.K. it's one minute to 11:00 PM.  I'm here at WalMart with my laptop. 

Now THAT is a statement that speaks volumes  :D
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Becinhu on June 26, 2008, 12:36:31 PM
btw..those 5 shoppers would be Billy Bob, Jimbo, Billy Ray, Tammy Sue, and Bubba. Be prepared since you are in LA that the entire Wal-Mart may horde you prompting you to post about the ho-tards and horders in Wal-Mart. I hope someone gives you a check 6 before you get trampled. :pray
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: LCCajun on June 26, 2008, 12:45:22 PM
  I will end this thread with this final comment (as requested by you, the non-communicators).  It's obvious this isn't going anywhere anyway.  Pretty much what i expected. 
  The people at HITECH are absolutely right to REMOVE both TRAINING and OPERATIONS from the hands of AH players in COMBAT TOUR.  It's time to take the keys back from the mental patients in the State Hospital and restore some order and sanity to ACES HIGH.  It should have been done years ago.

Ok so when are you turning your keys in?
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: LCCajun on June 26, 2008, 12:59:10 PM
I was just wondering the ppl who are on the same country as waldron. Do you squelch him right when he gets on? I really don't see how ya'll couldn't. Well <S> to ya'll hope that things get better.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Banshee7 on June 26, 2008, 01:18:54 PM
i have never even seen him in any of the arenas
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SlapShot on June 26, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
  I will end this thread with this final comment (as requested by you, the non-communicators).  It's obvious this isn't going anywhere anyway.  Pretty much what i expected. 
  The people at HITECH are absolutely right to REMOVE both TRAINING and OPERATIONS from the hands of AH players in COMBAT TOUR.  It's time to take the keys back from the mental patients in the State Hospital and restore some order and sanity to ACES HIGH.  It should have been done years ago.

Oh ... I believe that we have communicated perfectly ... it is you that has a hearing and/or comprehension problem.

Can't wait to see what "improvements" you will have to for Combat Tour.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 26, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
Can't wait to see what "improvements" you will have to for Combat Tour.

He's going to post how the AI won't listen to him or give him sitreps. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: ian5440 on June 26, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
  I will end this thread with this final comment (as requested by you, the non-communicators).  It's obvious this isn't going anywhere anyway.  Pretty much what i expected. 

so u expected for YOUR  comments to be blown out of proportion??

Quite arrogant if i do say so  :mad:
and if u predicted we would just attack you
Why Post??
or at least stop posting when the thread gets a few pages long

AHII players are just amused by ignorant boys wanting attention(the only logical reason why this has gone on so long)
its been fun waldron and i will "enjoy" seeing u in the MA :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 :salute
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stodd on June 26, 2008, 04:03:02 PM
I was just wondering the ppl who are on the same country as waldron. Do you squelch him right when he gets on? I really don't see how ya'll couldn't. Well <S> to ya'll hope that things get better.
Troll's like him may not play, btw stepen what is ur in game name?
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: moot on June 26, 2008, 08:11:29 PM
Waldren.  He's the same in the game.
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: angelsandair on June 27, 2008, 04:12:49 PM
WOW, right back into PNG from whence he came...  :O
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: SD67 on June 27, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
now THAT deserves a PIZZA!
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: halo342 on June 27, 2008, 06:48:41 PM
  This request is directed to the players in Aces High and not Hitech.  Because Hitech can not address the problem.  Or maybe they can by posting it in their MA etiquette rules for all players.
  Often while playing in the Main Arena I try to make contact by voice and text with other players and I get no responce.  Just dead air and empty text.  I know these players are actively engaged in the game, because I can see their blips flying around on the screen.  Yet they refuse to communicate or can't be bothered with it.
  This lack of respect for proper communication etiquette is extremely frustrating and adversely effects the game play of the flier needing to communicate.  I'll give you an example.
  You're flying airfield supplies into a base where the radar is down and you're trying to find out what kind of opposition you are facing.  You can see half a dozen of your countrymen flying directly over the base and getting ZERO responce.  The next thing you know, you got an nme Typhoon shooting down your C-47 while your heretofore silent and too busy to be bothered countrymen holler "CHECK 6" ! "CHECK 6" !
  Lemme tell all of you something.  If you're too #*^#ing busy to warn me about the nme Typhoon at 5K over the base, I sure as heck don't need to hear your stupid #*^#ing "CHECK 6" warning either.  I can tell from the flames and the sound of the bullets hitting my C-47 I've got an nme plane shooting at me.  But I suppose some people can't pass up the chance to get in some sarcastic humor.
  This hasn't happened once or twice.  It happens repeatedly in the MA and it happens no matter what country you fly for.  This behavior is boorish, childish and completely below the standard of professionalism expected of a combat pilot (even in a game). 
   

I know i should've posted here earlier.
stephen, if you get another account try to keep your anger under controll (yes the misspelling was intentional) , so you can stay on the BBS instead of getting:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/KTM520guy/banhammer.jpg)

oh well, see you when you rise from the dead.

<S>
Halo
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stodd on June 27, 2008, 07:14:47 PM
stephen waldren has been PWD WOOOT
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: angelsandair on June 27, 2008, 09:23:20 PM
Hey stodd, in your sig, the top 3 should be:

Valerio, Stephen Waldren, and CMustard. Take note that Valdals isn't banned just YET
 
Title: Re: Clearer Communication in the MA
Post by: stodd on June 27, 2008, 09:55:49 PM
Hey stodd, in your sig, the top 3 should be:

Valerio, Stephen Waldren, and CMustard. Take note that Valdals isn't banned just YET
 
I could easily make that a top 5 or even 10, drdeathx was almost a tie with cmustard