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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: skernsk on August 02, 2001, 09:24:00 AM
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I just bought a new system.
1.3 gig Athlon
Asus A7V MB
256 pc 133 RAM
Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
Voodoo 5 vid card
Windoze 98SE
I ran the "probe" software and the Temp is 70C. I experience a few "Blue screen of death" and freeze ups last night while flying.
The probe I ran was about 10 mins AFTER loggin err crashing from AH.
I have the Volcano heat sink and fan. Any suggestions?
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Throw your oven away, you can use your processor for all your cooking needs.
-SW
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But seriously, Defiance posted this a while back:
use a razor blade and scrape goo off and run to shop and get arctic silver or any thermal gunk in a tube a good type is silicone paste
Now too much paste will create heat !!! so you do this...........
Clean original pad/goo whatever it is off heatsink (use new razorblade and do not scratch bottomof hs (heatsink) , On the cpu core itself you will feel the indentation of A. all the ID lines
B. and the amd copyright logo
Now clean the core using what you yanks call rubbing alcohol then once thats done make sure there's no lint/fluff etc on it
Now do the same to bottom of ya hs
Then get a piece of plastic (margarine lid or alike just make sure it's perfectly clean and squeeze a small amount (petti pois (small pea) size onto said lid etc)
Now what you aim to do is cover the cpu core with just enough paste to cover the indents from the lines of id/logo etc
Now on the hs you can do the same apply a tiny amount and with a creditcard edge or alike scrape it all off
You only want to fill any microscopic scratches etc not ice a friggin cake !!!!
Slap the hs on taking care not to chip the edge of the core and way you go
TOO MUCH PASTE = HIGH TEMPS
Maybe that will work for you.
-SW
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I don't know what you have in the way of a case, but you need to have a couple 80mm fans in the front drawing air in and a couple 80mm in the rear drawing air out of the case at least. Next check the thing SW reposted by Defiance. The Volcano II is a decent HSF but performs much better if you remove the stock fan and replace it with a black label Delta 7000 rpm just be prepared for the noise. Your temps should be around the 40's to mid 50's
hope that helps, Brian
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hiya's,
Yeah try the above but if that's no better
you can "Lap" (wet/dry very fine paper the HSF bottom) ideal way is to use a hvy thick mirror for the flat surface
Also maybe look at some newer copper HSF's as they have a good rep
Another thing make sure when HSF is on it is sitting damn flat with a decent amount of pressure on the clip (scary the pressure needed for TB's hsf to sit right)
When you do replace a HSF hook the back (so to speak) lug in then slowly lower the HSF, Ideally you don't wanna move it at all in any other way except down/forward, Any side movement messes up the thermal grease contact
Another thing to check is in bios, See if you can manually drop the Vcore down (maybe 1.33 is 1.75v i not sure offhand)
If you can also to aid cooling is get an old/new fan (80mm running off a 5volt lead from the psu is ideal (5v runs slower fan but quieter)) and using cunning/metal hanger (clothing) elastic/chewing gum/duct tape/bailing twine/beer/spirits/persuasion/naughtiness/idiotic utensils hmm i digress, Just get the fan aiming at base of Zif socket (plastic gizmo cpu sits in) to cool around zif and under the HSF (don't obscure the cpu HSF flow though)
That will aid and does a decent job too
Hope that helps for now will answer some more in a bit
Have Fun
Def
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Dang Hotrod ya beat me to it lol
Case fans can also be run at lower volts if enough are used/placed right
Or go cool so to speak and get a watercooling setup ;)
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Have Fun
Def
[ 08-02-2001: Message edited by: Defiance ]
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Heh..you assumne I know my way around hardware...NOT!
I called the guy who built the thing and he's gone until Monday. Would it be wise to stay away from Aces High until I get the temps lower?
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Just pour some icewater in there, or wait til it gets cold as hell in Canada again and play outside with an extension cord.
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Hiya,
OK i see, Well maybe don't mess with the HSF then til he comes back
But you should be able to do this....
Take the left side panel off (i assume it's a tower, Usually screws on rear of panel, or on some cases the front bexel comes off then the panel comes forward) this will reveal the guts of the beast, Place a desktop fan or alike blowing into the pc guts, If you don't have one beg borrow or steal ! one well maybe not steal unless it's a relatives lmao
Get that blowing in, this is a short term remedy for you, hopefully it may cure your temps til m8's back
Another thing have you got a SB-Live soundcard ? if so put her in slot 3 pci and go into bios (keep hitting "delete key" on bootup til bios opens), In there find Advanced/pci configeration/find the part with pci slots 1-5 and set slot 3 to use irq 5
That can cure some SB/via 4in1 probs
EDIT: if you ever change anything in bios remember to "Save n Exit" then she will auto reboot with new settings
Hope that helps
Have Fun
Def
[ 08-02-2001: Message edited by: Defiance ]
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One last idea: check your temp in the BIOS and see what it reads, probe has been known to report temps way high. When the puter boots you should see a message saying "press del to enter setup" On second thought maybe you shouldn't if you don't know too much about puters cause if you mess up something in there your done. Plus if your having failures it prolly is overheating.
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Thanks for the response...your patience is appreciated.
Bottom line...CPU is too hot and that needs to be addressed!
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This sounds kinda silly... but cooling asside...
If someone built this for you.. might he have OC'd a lesser clockspeed processor? Dunno if that's easy to check or not.
Most of the suggestions being made are for the sake of OC'rs that do radical things to processors. None of this should be necessary for a chip operating at is originally designated clockspeed. Cooling yes, radical solutions no.
AKDejaVu
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<punt>
The bios and probe show Processor at 1.333 Gig Deja. I also know the guy so I ASSUME he didn't fek me around :)
I THINK I found the problem. The Chasis fan and CPU fan show 0 RPM's and the status shows "monitor paused" which meakes me think these fans are doing fekall!
How do I turn them on????
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You plug them in skernsk.
:)
No on/off switch, they power on when the PC is on. Take the case off and watch the fan on top of the CPU. If it's spinning, it's working. If it ain't, check the power connections.
Some fans do not have revolution monitoring built in though, so you might have a cheap-o fan.
-SW
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Originally posted by HottRod:
Your temps should be around the 40's to mid 50's
hope that helps, Brian
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FWIW, my Athlon 750 is at maximum 35C. I have one 80mm fan in, two 80mm fans out, and two hard drive fan assemblies bringing even more air in.
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Heh....thanks for the tip wulfie :) I figured a could do it from BIOS. I am so reluctant to touch anything in the case for fear of "pulling a skernsk" and fediddleing it all up.
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Make sure you have your CPU fan working and it is installed right!
If its off the CPU, its nearly useless.
Also check for thermal paste, if any..
I did once install CPU cooler wrong way, thermal paste didn't get over the CPU and it got bit hot and I had to tweak it a little
At least I noticed it during first test runs after assembling whole computer from little pieces during the evening ;)
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dont fear opening the case. Worst thing you can do is look at what's inside.
Once you do look, turn the system on with the case open and make SURE the heatsink fan (and any case fans) are turning on.
You are having the SAME problem I had when I got my 1.4ghz AMD. They gave me a really crappy heatsink.
I really suggest you get the Artic Silver II compound and a good heatsink.
You in Canada.. just open the dang window! ;)
My PC used to go to 70C and shut down by beeping like a mofo (MBD security feature to prevent cpu burning up). Now I put the new heatsink with artic silver and temps stay below 50C.
[ 08-03-2001: Message edited by: Tac ]
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Tac,
Weird people if they supply crappy CPU coolers with packages..
Hey.. I got a business idea!
Ask someone to give same sort of CPU that has been overheated, then replace it with your working one and tell them that the CPU fried and you'll get a new one :>
..and tada, you got another gigahertz processor, for either to be sold or another comp.
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The problem is certainly too high of temperatures. I would get ahold of the guy who did the work for you and have him get a better CPU fan. I read in your private message the system is loud. I'd suggest getting one of the approved heatsinks and fans listed on AMD's website. I'm using Cooler Master's EP5-6I11 on my brand new 1300 Tbird and after an hour of AH offline the temp was 56 C. This is acceptable IMO, considering that this heatsink is quiet. Obviously I haven't used the system enough to tell if the temps will get higher, but after several CPU benchmarks and a top temp of 56 C as well recorded by Motherboard Monitor 5 I think I'm safe.
The Volcano 2 is OK, but not for a 1.3. None of Thermaltakes fans short of the dragon orb can really cool a 1.3 well enough.
The very best fan out there the last time I looked is the Thermalright SK6, which comes without a fan. (All copper heatsink, and very large.) You could put a Sunon "Green Fan", which is quiet, on this one and get excellent cooling. If you have german friends you may look into the Noise Control Silverado as the ultimate in quiet cooling (made partially out of silver). This one would cost about $80 to get to the US.
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http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010521/index.html (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010521/index.html)
When in doubt, go to the master. :)
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Skernsk, with the probe, there is a good chance that the cpu fan etc is not plugged into the mobo so it will not show an RPM.
I have a big globalwin cooler on my DURON 800, and you can't plug it into the mobo or you might fry the board.
The thermaltake stuff isn't the greatest (orbs) it may need lapping, and definitely a high quality thermal grease. The thermal sticky pads that alot of HSF come with is total Crrrrap.
I run my 800 at 1ghz and the CPU gets as high as 45 degrees with a heavy load. I have the biggest 60mm fan available, tho now you can get adapters to use 80mm fans.
Have 2 80's blowin in front of case, 2 80's exhausting.
1 mobo chipset fan
1 blueorb on GF2 MX
somethin like 8-9 fans in the case total... it isn't exactly whisper quiet...
SKurj
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Have 2 80's blowin in front of case, 2 80's exhausting.
1 mobo chipset fan
1 blueorb on GF2 MX
somethin like 8-9 fans in the case total... it isn't exactly whisper quiet...
Hehe....sounds like my rig, Skurj.
AMD's run hot and good...no, GREAT circulation is a must IMO.
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LOL thirdup, I believe thats the same case I have +) Antek 1030?
SKurj
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Yep. That Antec is the best case I have owned to date. Alienware used it in one their Area 51 models. It's just so easy to work on, I'm going to get another one and put my old system in it. And for airflow, you just can't beat it.