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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Debrody on February 23, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
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Anyone thinking about hungarian skins? 109 g-2 or 14?
http://www.pumaszallas.hu/letoltesek-hatterek/hatterek-1old.html
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(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g6/skin5.jpg)
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LOL Twin.. was just pasting that code in when you posted it for me...
I wouldn't use an IL2 screenshots gallery as a reference, in general.
We already have a G6 in those colors. From what I recall (and I could be wrong) they jumped from G6s to G10s and G14/ASs, both of which match our 109K4 far better than they match the G14 in-game. It wouldn't be right to skin one for our in-game G14 IMO, if that's the case.
As for the G2, I cannot recall much so I'll just leave my comments about the G14.
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TwinBoom, i fly that g-6 all the way only for that skin. But the g-6s we had (RHAF) was identical to the ingame g-14, same MW50, mk 108, erla canopy etc. Hungarians never got g-14s, g-10s or k-4, only upgraded their g-6s as the new stuff came out. But it was still called g-6.
We were using some italian planes and f-4s until mid '43, when got some g-2s, then changed them to g-6s in early '44. Those g-6s were upgraded during the summer to match with the p-38s escorting the b-17s.
I would like to have more 109 HUN skins couse the g-6 errr not the best 109, and historically inaccurate for that 101/1st trueKill skin. Thats a '44 summer skin and our g-6 is a '43 model, not a mid or late '44 g-6.
Sorry about that IL-2 galery. Just to show some ideas.
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There's a nice Hungarian 109 profiled in the G-14 section of the new book "Bf 109 Late Versions - Camouflage and Markings". The book has no photos of it though. W.Nr 782205, W-O+58, 1st Lt. Antal Szebeni, 101./4 Vadaszezred MKHL. Might be worth investigating further if you have no other leads.
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Calling it a G6 isn't always accurate. A G6 is a funny thing, because the G6 was used from early 1943 to late 1945 and had so many different versions and models they stopped and renamed it the G-14 in an attempt to standardize it.
So many models and variations, calling it "G6" isn't always quite accurate. Considering you jumped from G2s to G6s I think you also had these early model G-6s like our in-game G6.
You later may have had the equivelant of a G14, but again there were many models of G14 as well. I've read a couple of comments about G-14/AS, which are nothing like our in-game model.
Really boils down to more details. More specifics.
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The RHAF got g-6s in early '44, they were early model g-6s, but until the summer, the RHAF wasnt in combat, they were reforming after the defeat in the eastern front in early '43 (Stalingrad). The americans started to bombing our country after the german occupation in '44 early May, and our g-6s were modernized to the g-14 standards in '44 late May. We still had g-2s then, they weret modernized and mostly stayed standby, but they seen combat when there were problems with the g-6s. So the planes what the RHAF was using in combat, was almost identical to the ingame g-14. Not the AS version, we never got DB 605/AS hi alt engines. The RHAF was fighting with the americans until '44 september, when the easter front arrived to the area of Hungary (when the romanians switched sides and we couldnt). After that, the planes remained the same til the end of the war.
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I found two more profiles and a good photo of the plane I mentioned previously. I happen to be just about finished with a G-14 skin and could make this one if you'd like. It would be awhile before it makes it into the game though, as we just had a skin update yesterday.
Here's the two additional profiles I found of W-058. They're kind of chintzy but show basically what she looks like.
http://www.had.hu/magyarazorajzok/72079_48079.html (http://www.had.hu/magyarazorajzok/72079_48079.html)
http://permastore3.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dfgtervbfr.jpg (http://permastore3.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dfgtervbfr.jpg)
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Ty cactus never ever thought that we got g10s...
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I wonder if they will allow one of those g-10s to be put on the k4.
viva hungary!
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Yes. G10 skins are already on the K4 airframe.
That's interesting if true... Did those early G6s see any action?
If not, it would seem the skin is on the wrong aircraft in-game, eh?
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Yes, early g-6s seen action, but only between early May and late May. The skin isnt wrong, only that wasnt the tipical plane the RHAF used.
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I like how nrraven made little muddy footprints oon the k4 skin.. just sayin' :D
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Any skinners have inspiration to make some skins? I have pics now, can pm them, also i got some IL-2 historical skins. True, not photos, but look at this:
Bf 109 F-4 flown by Desző Szentgyörgyi, eastern fron, '43 winter this pilot claimed 29 victories
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/Bf109F4_HUN_V-07_Tel_Pilot-Szentgyorgyi_Dezso_by-Jutocsa2.jpg)
Me 109 g-10 flown by István Fábián, '45
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/Bf109G10_HUN_11_Pilot-Fabian_Istvan_by-vpmedia2.jpg)
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+1
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There's a nice Hungarian 109 profiled in the G-14 section of the new book "Bf 109 Late Versions - Camouflage and Markings". The book has no photos of it though. W.Nr 782205, W-O+58, 1st Lt. Antal Szebeni, 101./4 Vadaszezred MKHL. Might be worth investigating further if you have no other leads.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g14.jpg?t=1299608562)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g14a.jpg?t=1299608636)
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Awsome
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Any skinners have inspiration to make some skins? I have pics now, can pm them, also i got some IL-2 historical skins. True, not photos, but look at this:
Bf 109 F-4 flown by Desző Szentgyörgyi, eastern fron, '43 winter this pilot claimed 29 victories
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/Bf109F4_HUN_V-07_Tel_Pilot-Szentgyorgyi_Dezso_by-Jutocsa2.jpg)
Me 109 g-10 flown by István Fábián, '45
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/Bf109G10_HUN_11_Pilot-Fabian_Istvan_by-vpmedia2.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109F-4B.jpg?t=1299612433)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109F-4Ba.jpg?t=1299612513)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g6acesFabian-Szent.jpg?t=1299612578)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g6acesFabian-Szent-a.jpg?t=1299612668)
This guy had some large stones.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/Debrody2.jpg?t=1299612760)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/Debrody2a.jpg?t=1299612816)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/Debrody3.jpg?t=1299613206)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/Debrody3a.jpg?t=1299613268)
From "Hungarian Aces of WW2"
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(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g14.jpg?t=1299608562)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/hungarian109g14a.jpg?t=1299608636)
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That's the one. :)
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This link has a colour picture of a Hungarian g-2.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/011hungary16.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-Hungary.htm&usg=__iS-UjFTzw_3iuGmStSlOucjBTv4=&h=384&w=600&sz=30&hl=en&start=13&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fHNyWi_tCloqnM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhungarian%2B109s%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS358US358%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&ei=YJh2TdyyGcK6qwHavfSaCQ
Colour pictures.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/455298-2/HUngarian%2BBf109%2Bfighter&imgrefurl=http://www.ww2incolor.com/hungary/HUngarian%2BBf109%2Bfighter.html&usg=__lzNIEUgBdXPyUpM4DYxale_T5s4=&h=253&w=414&sz=24&hl=en&start=20&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=H2PBJEZ0rlI3YM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhungarian%2B109s%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS358US358%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&ei=YJh2TdyyGcK6qwHavfSaCQ
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/7896-4/ahk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ww2incolor.com/hungary/%3Fg2_page%3D42&usg=__SJRXucY8HBjlKYAxNy5H5OrbCt8=&h=102&w=150&sz=4&hl=en&start=82&zoom=0&itbs=1&tbnid=MrFgJ5JRxP8FOM:&tbnh=65&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhungarian%2B109s%26start%3D80%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS358US358%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&ei=vJt2TZ7HG8X5rAGx59CSCQ
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The second one is a still flying Fritz, but without markings.
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Your second option there is a post war restored warbird, if I recall. I've seen that one before when researching tri-color 109 paint schemes. I wouldn't necessarily trust it without wartime corroboration.
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Im afraid that Fritz is the only remaining 109 this area.
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(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/W-058/ahss14copy.jpg)
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/W-058/ahss13copy.jpg)
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/W-058/ahss11copy.jpg)
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/W-058/ahss12copy.jpg)
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yoooooooooooo
Thank you very much, Sir. This is an awsome skin, even without the stripes. the biggest <<SALUTE>>
Here is my toy. HTC, plz accept that skin :pray
At least i may be able to catch the running spitfires :devil
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Debrody just j*zzed his pants!
I wil say it's a sexy skin :aok
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Debrody just j*zzed his pants!
almost lol
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:aok
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Cactus, are you sure about the thickness of the "V" under the wing? It ought to be much thicker, last I recall. It was a flag to gunners not shoot this plane down, that it was friendly, so I imagine it shouldn't be barely visible like that screenshot.
Just wondering if you had that right, or not.
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Cactus, are you sure about the thickness of the "V" under the wing? It ought to be much thicker, last I recall. It was a flag to gunners not shoot this plane down, that it was friendly, so I imagine it shouldn't be barely visible like that screenshot.
Just wondering if you had that right, or not.
Could certainly be. I was going mostly off of different profiles as I couldn't find any pictures that showed it well.
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Could certainly be. I was going mostly off of different profiles as I couldn't find any pictures that showed it well.
Hard to find a good reference on short notice, but here's an idea of typical thickness:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QK1HF8R9L.jpg)
Note we have a couple Fw190s with this, and possibly another 109G14 or G6 that already has this. You can use them as further reference for thickness/placement.
I think Hartmann's winter 109 had them. Check that skin out offline.
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Hartmann is a good example, he was flying over Hungary that time :aok
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I don't have any photographs unfortunately, (I could have sworn I did) but I have a telegraph included in Luftwaffe Camouflage & Markings Volume Two that states that the V is supposed to be "open toward the direction of flight flight with angle of 45 degrees and arms 25 centimeters broad (...) The arms of the victor to be carried over the leading edge of wing to upper side for distance of 60 centimeters to permit recognition from above also."
I've never seen any reference to the second part, however empirical evidence is provided with:
"The speed with which the ground staff had been required to apply these markings did not allow for absolute accuracy. When the Fw 190F-8R-1, WNr 931884 was being restored by the National Space and Air Museum staff in Washington, the original tactical markings were carefully measured. (...) The Victor marking was found to be 28cm wide, not 25cm, and extended over the wing leading edge for 56cm on the outboard section and 38 cm inboard, not 60cm overall as specified. Not significant differences, and understandable under field conditions."
It's therefore safe to say that following these instructions would provide the best possible representation of the marking that probably appeared on this aircraft.
you can then pictures from the Air & Space Museum's restoration, potentially the best reference considering that they were precise enough to take measurements (and note measurements only a few centimeters off from the orders)
(http://www.howitflies.com/files/imagecache/display/photos/wikiexport/d/dc/FW_190_F.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2457/3782824368_eff7706992.jpg)
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Thanks - I appreciate the detailed responses. It shall be fixed. :cheers:
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Awesome looking G-14, cactus! :aok
I've always thought that those simplified black outlined Hungarian national insignias looked badass. :cool:
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Cactus your skins are just superb!