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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: captain1ma on July 07, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
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what would you like to see for icons settings:
please list distances only, not opinions. we know some of you hate no icons and some do not. we want to know what kind of distances you would like to see!
Friendly icon--- XXXX (distance)
Enemy icon--- XXXX (distance)
thank you and have a great day! :D
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what would you like to see for icons settings:
Friendly icon--- XXXX (distance)
Enemy icon--- XXXX (distance)
6k for both.
:aok
<edit: and how will any determination be made?> :noid
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3k for both
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Friendly: 1000
Enemy: none
:salute
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3 K for Enemy / 6 K for Friendly
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2 K for Enemy / 4 K for Friendly
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Leave it like it is currently
or go back to what it was in the beginning ( which was 3 K for both I believe , for most of the time anyways )
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I just want them on.
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6k for both
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On, not less than 4k
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2k friendly and 1k or none for enemy
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10K for both.
No hiding, no picking. You move, counter, move, etc... You can do BFMs all you want, engage disengage, still have full free will. Do whatever you like, but you're not getting sneak kills unless the guy you sneak up on is oblivious, just like in the real war.
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10K for both.
No hiding, no picking. You move, counter, move, etc... You can do BFMs all you want, engage disengage, still have full free will. Do whatever you like, but you're not getting sneak kills unless the guy you sneak up on is oblivious, just like in the real war.
I like this. Having flown quite a bit in real life (172's and mooney's) the lace of SA (situational awareness) is really lacking with any video game. Sure Track-IR helps, but there is something to be said about having the ability to look around and see EVERYTHING with just a quick glance. 10k would help make up for that tiny window.
I mean, come on, how many accidents would there be in real life if every aircraft out there had only a 20-24 inch window to fly from? :)
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Friendly -300
Enemy-No Icons
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Both 6K
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You're not getting sneak kills unless the guy you sneak up on is oblivious, just like in the real war.
Never mind. Outside the parameters of what Yaeger asked for.
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10K for both.
No hiding, no picking. You move, counter, move, etc... You can do BFMs all you want, engage disengage, still have full free will. Do whatever you like, but you're not getting sneak kills unless the guy you sneak up on is oblivious, just like in the real war.
sounds like someone wants xbox settings. not surprised.
maybe to embrace the idea of "simulated realism" and accomodate the visual information that isn't available due to the way the game renders aircraft, perhaps 3000 yards (9000 feet - 1.7 miles) for both?
it's close to realistic "average" visual acuity considering the leeway in actual distance and it's the same setting as used in the fso. it seems to work for most of the players who participate.
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Can we avoid a fight on this and just give your preference?
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Can we avoid a fight on this and just give your preference?
what he said...
also are there limitations, or fixed settings to choose from? not a sliding scale where it can be set at whatever from 1-5999?
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so far based on averages:
friendly Average 4130 yds
enemy average 3384 yds
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It would be much simpler to present the choices as:
1. 3k friendly, no enemy (current standard)
2. 3k for both
3. 6k for both
4. other
yes?
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With track Ir you can look around and see what's going on at a glance that's the beauty of track Ir.
I'll bet the ones that want long icons, don't own a track ir and that's OK, but with it you can see what's going on at a glance and that makes no Icons very FUN.
Let got the hat switch
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Setting we use now are fine
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3K for both.
Although I do like the challenge of no icons.
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6k both
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only friendly at 2k
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6k Both
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I would request 3k enemy, 6k friendly.
:salute
Way
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Is it possible to set icons on at a given distance and then off at another?
For example enemy icons: off > 5k; on 5k to 800; off < 800
If not then friendly at 6k and enemy at 3k
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Friendly 2k
Enemy no icon
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thanks shuffler, good to hear from you! :D
trap78, first part--no
second part-- no problem
we can only shut them off below a certain altitude, not below a certain distance.
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so far based on averages:
friendly Average 4130 yds
enemy average 3384 yds
Are you averaging in zeroes for the no icons preference? If so there is an error in your logic. No icons isn't a distance of zero, it is a preference for the icon to be off. Short enemy icons are just as intrusive as long enemy icons.
My preference is icons off for both friendly and enemy but that detracts from the experience when flying with friendlies. If enemy must be on then they should always be equal to friendly. It makes absolutely no sense that icons should be different for friendlies and enemies if icons are on for enemy.
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Whatever visual reference we need to 'simulate' reality. Don't know about you, but I can see planes that are much further away from me than 3000 yards while standing in my back yard and watching them fly by.
Whatever settings are picked should be the same distance for both friendly and enemy.
I vote for 6k both.
Cheese
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Whatever visual reference we need to 'simulate' reality. Don't know about you, but I can see planes that are much further away from me than 3000 yards while standing in my back yard and watching them fly by.
oh here we go...sure about that are you? not talking about 150-200 foot long passenger jets, so can you tell exactly what make and model a small 45 foot long aircraft is from more than a mile away? are they painted with a dark dull paint or all white? ever try it through a worn pane of glass with the sun glaring? how about while wearing glass lensed goggles and looking through a worn pane of glass?
the neon sign gives more information than you would have realistically and it's visible in nearly all conditions including through clouds which would normally prevent you from seeing an aircraft. go ahead and try to positively identify a small plane flying through clouds 18,000 feet away from you...without binoculars.
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Can we stay on topic and play in the thread the way the OP asked?
what would you like to see for icons settings:
please list distances only, not opinions. we know some of you hate no icons and some do not. we want to know what kind of distances you would like to see!
It did seem a bit much to ask, didn't it... :bolt:
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6 K for both
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leave em alone
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Friendly icon--- 2K
Enemy icon--- 0k NO ICONS!!!!
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Dawger.. I like this this... it's dead on the money. I 100% agree with you..!!
Are you averaging in zeroes for the no icons preference? If so there is an error in your logic. No icons isn't a distance of zero, it is a preference for the icon to be off. Short enemy icons are just as intrusive as long enemy icons.
My preference is icons off for both friendly and enemy but that detracts from the experience when flying with friendlies. If enemy must be on then they should always be equal to friendly. It makes absolutely no sense that icons should be different for friendlies and enemies if icons are on for enemy.
With both side icons off comunication and team work are the key and friendly can still work together. The squad or wing with better brevity code and wing tactics will prevail ...Much more realistic and Historical..
(http://simhq.net/ads/ads/SimHQ_crash_TIR.gif) (http://trackir.naturalpoint.com/forgottenassassins)
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With both side icons off comunication and team work are the key and friendly can still work together. The squad or wing with better brevity code and wing tactics will prevail ...Much more realistic and Historical..
(http://simhq.net/ads/ads/SimHQ_crash_TIR.gif) (http://trackir.naturalpoint.com/forgottenassassins)
Finally! Someone uses realistic and historical in the same thought while referencing teamwork and tactics! Well done, you two! :aok
I agree; no icons friendly or enemy. :salute
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Unless there's only one friendly within range, it would be hard to tell who to call out a check-6. I don't send a check-6 via the keyboard; does it still work with no icons for friendlies? I guess I could fumble around and find that key on my keyboard...
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Unless there's only one friendly within range, it would be hard to tell who to call out a check-6. I don't send a check-6 via the keyboard; does it still work with no icons for friendlies? I guess I could fumble around and find that key on my keyboard...
I think icons have to be on to give a keyboard check 6.
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no icons for both.
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1K - 1.5K for friendly
None for enemy
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None for either.
:salute
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its just a number, it wont hurt you, and yes i used 0's. although a preference, its still a distance.
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its just a number, it wont hurt you, and yes i used 0's. although a preference, its still a distance.
alright if you're averaging zeros, emend mine to read "infinity" icon range for both. :aok
:bolt:
I don't really care what distance is determined (as dot dar is another tool to tweak action-finding stuff) as long as *both* sides have the same range setting for enemy/friendly.
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its just a number, it wont hurt you, and yes i used 0's. although a preference, its still a distance.
Off is not a distance.
If you are going to call off a distance of zero then I change my vote to -47,000,000 for enemy icons. That will help the average in my favor.
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The times I fly in the AVA I enjoy:
3k Friendly
off for Enemy
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Ideally what I'd like to see is icons w/out showing range settings, I do like the effect of no icons on maneuvers during a fight but I find the lack of all icons to be a deterrent.
Given the tools available I would vote for 3K on both friendly and enemy.
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Ideally what I'd like to see is icons w/out showing range settings, I do like the effect of no icons on maneuvers during a fight but I find the lack of all icons to be a deterrent.
Given the tools available I would vote for 3K on both friendly and enemy.
+1 !!! 6k for both
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Ideally what I'd like to see is icons w/out showing range settings, I do like the effect of no icons on maneuvers during a fight but I find the lack of all icons to be a deterrent.
Given the tools available I would vote for 3K on both friendly and enemy.
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/doticon.jpg)
I'm still liking the idea of an option for the enemies to only have a red dot.
Coogan
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(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/doticon.jpg)
I'm still liking the idea of an option for the enemies to only have a red dot.
Coogan
That would work for me as well, I find with no icons at all I just can't see the bad guys, especially against the terrains the whole experience is very frustrating for me. In many ways I much prefer the AvA to the MA's, I'm a history junkie who likes a good small to medium sized dogfight. However with the current icon settings I find that I usually just end up frustrated and back in the MA's.
I can't claim that I would spend 100% of my time in the AvA regardless of what is done with the icons. But I do believe that a change to a more generous icon setting would mean that I'd spend more time there.
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The times I fly in the AVA I enjoy:
3k Friendly
off for Enemy
:aok exactly my way
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Friend: ZERO
Foe: ZERO
**Member of the No Neon Signs movement**
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6k for both... Those of you who think no icon is a good idea, just turn them off.....
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I have played with them off several times.
In the AvA it's easier though because everyone on your country is flying country specific planes.
Juuuust sayin'.
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6k for both... Those of you who think no icon is a good idea, just turn them off.....
Those of you that like icons, just go to the main arenas.... back atcha :)
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Those of you that like icons, just go to the main arenas.... back atcha :)
Very, very nice.
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Those of you that like icons, just go to the main arenas.... back atcha :)
I thought the idea was to get some more traffic in this arena not run them off. :headscratch:
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AvA is special for a reason though. It's not meant for your every day MA player. ;)
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AvA is special for a reason though. It's not meant for your every day MA player. ;)
Hello Marine,
I agree that it's the historical matchups that makes it special. I do not agree it is the lack or use of icons. Historical stats show little or no use of this arena for some reason. Why do you think this is? A sincere question for respectful discussion Sir.
:salute
WAy
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Historical stats show little or no use of this arena for some reason. Why do you think this is?
I have an opinion on this.
Not necessarily in order of importance.
1st. Equipment limitations. It has to be accepted that more people would rather fly any plane they want at any time.
2nd. Objectives. There is no simple way to have objectives and an automatic win the war reset like the very simple MA base capture system. We are trying to provide this sort of thing manually.
3rd. Perks. There is no way for us to set our own perk prices to fit the scenario, so we have no usable perk system.
4th. Tradition? There has long been controversy and bad blood associated with the arena, and some of that lingers today.
5th. Stability. As the arena uses custom tables they are subject to getting scrambled by server maintenance and such and the arena can often be screwed up when people log in to play
6th. Emptiness breeds emptiness. There is a lemming effect (apologies to Dawger for stealing that line) There is likely a fairly sizable population that does prefer a more historically immersive environment, but it's impossible to get them all in the arena at the same time.
Not wanting to be the first ones in waiting around for others to show up, they trade this preference for the action they can find in the MA.
Finally, the very nature of all this is that the AvA is always trying to find that magic formula that will bring the most success, continually pleasing some and pissing off others, leaving it always in a state of argument and turmoil, but we continue to try, because its our home and we refuse to give up.
:salute
jimson
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I have an opinion on this.
Not necessarily in order of importance.
1st. Equipment limitations. It has to be accepted that more people would rather fly any plane they want at any time.
2nd. Objectives. There is no simple way to have objectives and an automatic win the war reset like the very simple MA base capture system. We are trying to provide this sort of thing manually.
3rd. Perks. There is no way for us to set our own perk prices to fit the scenario, so we have no usable perk system.
4th. Tradition? There has long been controversy and bad blood associated with the arena, and some of that lingers today.
5th. Stability. As the arena uses custom tables they are subject to getting scrambled by server maintenance and such and the arena can often be screwed up when people log in to play
6th. Emptiness breeds emptiness. There is a lemming effect (apologies to Dawger for stealing that line) There is likely a fairly sizable population that does prefer a more historically immersive environment, but it's impossible to get them all in the arena at the same time.
Not wanting to be the first ones in waiting around for others to show up, they trade this preference for the action they can find in the MA.
Finally, the very nature of all this is that the AvA is always trying to find that magic formula that will bring the most success, continually pleasing some and pissing off others, leaving it always in a state of argument and turmoil, but we continue to try, because its our home and we refuse to give up.
:salute
jimson
^this :D
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Friend: ZERO
Foe: ZERO
**Member of the No Neon Signs movement**
Again I though I put my 2 cents worth in here, DANG!!!!!!
Was curious, when will it be going back to No Icons. Which by the way, can be accomplished simply by ME turning off icons but the enemy having a neon sign to me doesn't seem fair so I turn them back on.
Anyway, are we getting our 'No Icon AvA' back?
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right now its going to be 3k for both, like the FSO. if the population were to swell and people want them off again, we can revisit the issue.
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:cry OK :cry
Think I will still enjoy the good fight :aok
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right now its going to be 3k for both, like the FSO. if the population were to swell and people want them off again, we can revisit the issue.
So, if the population doesn't swell, what's the plan?
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to get it bitten by a spider or something so it will swell up. Duh. :P :lol
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right now its going to be 3k for both, like the FSO. if the population were to swell and people want them off again, we can revisit the issue.
The population rising would be a reason to leave the icons on, not turn them off.
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AvA is special for a reason though. It's not meant for your every day MA player. ;)
Widewing is not your every day MA player.............. playah !
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The times I fly in the AVA I enjoy:
3k Friendly
off for Enemy
I agree w daddog~ +1
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I will be flying in there more often. The only reason to go to the MA is simply the amount of action.
Wonder why HTC didn't set up the whole thing as AVA in the first place? It adds some historical feel to the sim.
Anyway, keep up the good work. I can help do stuff for the AVA if help is needed (maps, 3d models, etc)
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I can help do stuff for the AVA if help is needed (maps, 3d models, etc)
If you make terrains, we could use lot's of small ones 64X64 or 128X128.
USRanger is head of the AvA terrain team.
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PM sent
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Looking forward to contributing something eventually. :salute
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Looks like the AvA guys had a little advance knowledge of this last update or they are pre-cognizant
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Dawger; since the last update what is the lowest distance icons can be set too....100yds, 10yds?
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It appears to be 3000 feet or 1000 yards.
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Looks like the AvA guys had a little advance knowledge of this last update or they are pre-cognizant
No, I only found out about after reading the thread in help and training.
I believe in the prior version there was a minimum listed, but it wasn't hard coded.
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Pre-Cogs or HTC decided to match the current AvA settings in the code. :aok
I imagine it will creep up to MA settings over time.
:banana:
:airplane:
:neener:
:cry
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It seems so counter intuitive to create H2H arenas were players can customize setups and at the same time eliminate settings that have been around for years. Debates aside, why piss off a part of the player base (folks who prefer no icons) when there's nothing to be gained by it. This won't make the icon debate go away, it will just shift to "why don't we have a no icon option like all the other games?" or "bring back the no icon option we had for years".
There's bound to be a patch for the P-40 gunsite and external artwork issues. Any bets that it will also include a no icon fix?
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It seems so counter intuitive to create H2H arenas were players can customize setups and at the same time eliminate settings that have been around for years. Debates aside, why piss off a part of the player base (folks who prefer no icons) when there's nothing to be gained by it. This won't make the icon debate go away, it will just shift to "why don't we have a no icon option like all the other games?" or "bring back the no icon option we had for years".
There's bound to be a patch for the P-40 gunsite and external artwork issues. Any bets that it will also include a no icon fix?
I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. Maybe it should be reported as a bug.
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Maybe it should be reported as a bug.
I see it already has :D
Good thinking...
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At least with a reported bug we will know for sure if it is really a bug or an undocumented feature :O
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Now that icons have been on for a month or so, has there been the desired increase in AvA population?
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No difference that I've seen.
It's a moot point anyway.
HTC has removed the ability to turn icons off, and it's still that way after the patch so apparently no icons is something they don't want anywhere in the game.
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No difference that I've seen.
It's a moot point anyway.
HTC has removed the ability to turn icons off, and it's still that way after the patch so apparently no icons is something they don't want anywhere in the game.
Thats a shame. I liked having no enemy icons(on most maps).
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No difference that I've seen.
It's a moot point anyway.
HTC has removed the ability to turn icons off, and it's still that way after the patch so apparently no icons is something they don't want anywhere in the game.
With that I bid adieu.
No reason to visit HTC forums any longer other than nostalgia.
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No difference that I've seen.
It's a moot point anyway.
HTC has removed the ability to turn icons off, and it's still that way after the patch so apparently no icons is something they don't want anywhere in the game.
Regardless of what HTC decided, the question still remains. I agree that there doesn't seem to be an increase . Actually, there appears to be less participation with enemy icons on.
In previous months with enemy icons off, I seem to remember a few times with 30 or more players in the AvA. That wasn't every night, but it was fairly common to see a dozen or more. As such, it would seem that "no enemy icons" was the more preferred configuration.
Perhaps, we should lobby HTC to reinstate the ability to turn icons off. :salute
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You can go here and look at the total kill numbers month by month. What factors in the differences is anyone's interpretation.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php
With that I bid adieu.
No reason to visit HTC forums any longer other than nostalgia.
Take care Dawger, you might check in from time to time to see if there are any new developments.
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HTC has removed the ability to turn icons off, and it's still that way after the patch so apparently no icons is something they don't want anywhere in the game.
Do we know if it was an intentional decision or an inadvertent omission/bug? Has anyone queried HTC about it? :salute
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Do we know if it was an intentional decision or an inadvertent omission/bug? Has anyone queried HTC about it? :salute
They don't reply when asked directly... In the beta forum when I asked why the icon question was never answered... my post was removed.. Id say they are making a statement...
I have notest a drop in participation in the AVA since icons were turned on. That would make sense as the AVA was a ghost town before, with icons on..
Admittedly I was the impetus for the no icon movement in the AvA... I recommended that icons be turned off about a year and a half ago and was granted my wish....I recommended smaller maps, shorter base to base proximity as well as consentrating the available air craft to bases that were in close proximity to each other and turning off or neutering far reaching bases to consentrate action. With those recommendations the AVA population started to grow there were 30+ nights... squads were coming in the arena had lots of momentum... until certain AvA regulars started to berate folks for using team work and tactics.. squads like loses deuce and other respectable units pulled away and were run off. I recommended that folks that berate team work in the AvA be ban from the AVA berating players for utilising wing tactics should have never been allowed to take a foot hold...
The decision to turn icons back on was not a good one for the arena.. but the intention was well meaning... Some times you cant see the forest though the trees.
It was simply a bad choice and the proof is in the pudding... Now that they are turned on again... the AVA is slipping back to its former unpopulated sate.
Its a shame really as no icons were actually a draw for many.
It afforded a new and interesting challenge for those that were looking for something different...Unfortunately the topic is polerising and boils down to two groups..
for those that were dedicated enough to master the no icon style of flight simming... all of whom are forward thinking guys who utilize new advancements in flight simming like the track ir.. and
The folks that don't use track Ir. They are the same folks that wanted icons turned back on. That is a shame because there unwillingness to move away from the hat switch held folks back from taking flight simming to the next level. as a result the AvA is slipping backward..
Mediocrity breads mediocrity. "Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds".. Albert Enstine..
Until folks start to see what they are missing and how pure flight simming is w/o icons here in AH, this sim will always be considered a kiddy air quake sim to most in the global flight sim comunity..
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They don't reply when asked directly... In the beta forum when I asked why the icon question was never answered... my post was removed.. Id say they are making a statement...
I have noticed a drop in participation in the AVA since icons were turned on. That would make sense as the AVA was a ghost town before, with icons on..
Admittedly I was the impetus for the no icon movement in the AvA... I recommended that icons be turned off about a year and a half ago and was granted my wish....I recommended smaller maps, shorter base to base proximity as well as concentrating the available air craft to bases that were in close proximity to each other and turning off or neutering far reaching bases to concentrate action. With those recommendations the AVA population started to grow there were 30+ nights... squads were coming in the arena had lots of momentum... until certain AvA regulars started to berate folks for using team work and tactics.. squads like loses deuce and other respectable units pulled away and were run off. I recommended that folks that berate team work in the AvA be ban from the AVA berating players for utilizing wing tactics should have never been allowed to take a foot hold...
The decision to turn icons back on was not a good one for the arena.. but the intention was well meaning... Some times you cant see the forest though the trees.
It was simply a bad choice and the proof is in the pudding... Now that they are turned on again... the AVA is slipping back to its former unpopulated sate.
Its a shame really as no icons were actually a draw for many.
It afforded a new and interesting challenge for those that were looking for something different...Unfortunately the topic is polarizing and boils down to two groups..
for those that were dedicated enough to master the no icon style of flight simming... all of whom are forward thinking guys who utilize new advancements in flight simming like the track ir.. and
The folks that don't use track Ir. They are the same folks that wanted icons turned back on. That is a shame because there unwillingness to move away from the hat switch held folks back from taking flight simming to the next level. as a result the AvA is slipping backward..
Mediocrity breads mediocrity. "Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds".. Albert Einstein..
Until folks start to see what they are missing and how pure flight simming is w/o icons here in AH, this sim will always be considered a kiddy air quake sim to most in the global flight sim community..
Just one man's opinion.....
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for those that were dedicated enough to master the no icon style of flight simming... all of whom are forward thinking guys who utilize new advancements in flight simming like the track ir.. and
The folks that don't use track Ir. They are the same folks that wanted icons turned back on. That is a shame because there unwillingness to move away from the hat switch held folks back from taking flight simming to the next level. as a result the AvA is slipping backward..
Raven, dont lump the "pro no icon" group with the "has track IR" group.
I like no icon and I use a hat switch. I'm sure that I'm not the only one. Is it difficult? Sure. Is it a rewarding challenge? Most defanately. Please don't belittle users who give the best they can with the equipment they've got.
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U mistunderstand me... Im not belittling.... I'm simply stating that its folks that don't use Tir have been the ones pushing for icons back on.....
You are a diehard devil to work no icons with a hat that takes great spirit and back bone there :aok.... Its its just much less frustrating and most would like it better with tir :aok
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If total kill numbers are any indication, the population started dropping in May, the same as last year.
If we count the month of July as the start of icons being on, we are down from Jun, but If you look at last years numbers the July total is very similar, in fact a tiny bit higher this year, and all summer months are slightly better this year.
I would expect August numbers to drop as some start playing with the new H2H arenas.
I don't think you can pull a definitive answer as to what effect icons have had on population.
To me it looks pretty close to a zero sum gain.
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U mistunderstand me... Im not belittling....
I agree you aren't making much sense, so you're difficult to understand. But from what I do understand it is quite obvious you are making an attempt at belittling a group of players.
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Do we know if it was an intentional decision or an inadvertent omission/bug? Has anyone queried HTC about it? :salute
Who knows?
Perhaps as ugly as the constant arguments were, they decided it was bad for the community?
In that, they would have had a point, but I do wish the player arenas had the option so the no icon fans here would have some alternative other than Il2.
... In the beta forum when I asked why the icon question was never answered... my post was removed.. Id say they are making a statement...
It looks like the whole beta testing forum was removed, not that they singled out your post for removal.
Or was it while the forum was still up?
The new icon restrictions were unchanged after the first patch.
There will be more patches, so we will see.
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....July total is very similar, in fact a tiny bit higher this year, and all summer months are slightly better this year.
I don't think you can pull a definitive answer as to what effect icons have had on population.
To me it looks pretty close to a zero sum gain.
Despite the apparent contradiction, I do agree it's too early to tell. Let it ride for another 2-3 months and you'll have a better idea. The H2H won't bleed off much (of what?) from the AvA, especially if H2H has the same setting issue (which apparently they do) that may or may not be a deliberate decision from HTC.
Don't forget you're also going to have to take into consideration the "strategic" direction/option the AvA is trying to offer. And of course some setups draw more or less than others.
I will add this: A clear MoTD goes a long way in influencing the newbie or occasional AvAer to stick around. In some setups, if I didn't have an understanding of the AvA already, I'd be lost. Which side is which should always be listed (it's not always) with an note that the default base may not be close to the action. Also always make note of the no side switching restrictions. Oldman also remarked about the current setup (folgore) not clearly indicating planes were enabled at VBases. I had the same concerns when I first entered this set up (but also knew planes *could* be enabled at Vbases - something a casual player may not be aware of.)
One other small peeve I have with the AvA (MoTD) is with our specialty maps, the sector scale. It'd be nice knowing what the scale is. I know there are ways this can be determined, requiring maths and stuffs, and that after enough exposure I'd remember what map is what scale, but again for the casual player....
Oh, and just because icons are back doesn't mean we have to go with MA radar settings. The AvA still has to deal with the issue of making the action easily found?
Make sure to keep spamming AvA adverts too. :aok
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Make sure to keep spamming AvA adverts too. :aok
You lose more with those kind of tactics.
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Do you ever have anything positive to say?
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Do you ever have anything positive to say?
I'm sorry, I don't feed the trolls.
To anybody else, please see my thread as intended, and take it at point blank face value. It was intended to be helpful. Spamming constant nagging advertisements for the AvA were a detriment to my forum visits, and made me think less about actually visiting it. Opposite of the intended results. It can happen in any advertising. You need to find the proper method and means. That goes for anybody, be it Bob's Pizza Parlor down the street, or the NFL advertising across the nation.
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See Rules #2, #4
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according to what i received in a PM, icons in the game were never meant to be disabled. therefor the answer is there is a minimum distance and that's it. the day of no icons is gone. i hope this puts the whole icons thing to rest.
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That's about as gay is it can get.
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That about as gay is it can get.
Yup. I will cherish the days of no icons.
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Yup. I will cherish the days of no icons.
You can still toggle icons on/off from your own front end. And nothing stops anyone from gentlemen's agreements about mutually turning them off, even if it's in a specific part of a map... you know?
:headscratch:
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See Rule #4
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See Rules #2, #4
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They don't reply when asked directly... In the beta forum when I asked why the icon question was never answered... my post was removed.. Id say they are making a statement...
What a crock. Pretty sad when you dont even have the stones to take a stance one way or the other. Instead just erase it and hope that person shuts up.
That forum was for the beta testing. Testing is over, why would they keep the forum open?
according to what i received in a PM, icons in the game were never meant to be disabled. therefor the answer is there is a minimum distance and that's it. the day of no icons is gone. i hope this puts the whole icons thing to rest.
Question answered; thread done.
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See Rules #2, #4
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my post was removed.. Id say they are making a statement...
This is what I was refering to...
Question answered; thread done.
Yessah masta, we be quiet now!
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That forum was for the beta testing. Testing is over, why would they keep the forum open?
Question answered; thread done.
Sorry, pardner, but that ain't how it's done. The players/customers will decide when the discussion is done. That is unless someone violates a rule and Skuzzy decides to lock it up. I'm all for a spirited discussion, but not you or anyone else is going to tell me when to stop talking (within the bounds of civility of course). I guess it's that veteran in me and that freedom of speech thing. :salute
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awww shaddup Puma :D
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Ya Ya Ya, Dicho! :D Where ya been hiding out lately? Still playin' golf in the church? :salute
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:salute and taps for the no enemy icon setting :angel:.
It was a lot of fun while we had it.
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Too bad we are giving up on it so readily.
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What a crock. Pretty sad when you dont even have the stones to take a stance one way or the other. Instead just erase it and hope that person shuts up.
I asked and got an answer. so much for that theory.
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Again, nothing stops a <cough> "gentleman's agreement" to use a certain area on a map as a "no-icon haven" when like-minded individuals are playing. :noid
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Ya Ya Ya, Dicho! :D Where ya been hiding out lately? Still playin' golf in the church? :salute
Ohhh a little of this and a little of that. Been intending to do more flying but keep getting shiny thinged by other stuff :D
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Again, nothing stops a <cough> "gentleman's agreement" to use a certain area on a map as a "no-icon haven" when like-minded individuals are playing. :noid
A great idea if there were enough like minded individuals and gentlemanly behavior to accommodate it. Unfortunately, MA behavior seems to be creeping in with increasing frequency. Ya know, vulching, etc. or more commonly known as "low skill cheap shots".
Your idea has the potential of being a good way to overcome the imposed "no icon" deletion.
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according to what i received in a PM, icons in the game were never meant to be disabled. therefor the answer is there is a minimum distance and that's it. the day of no icons is gone. i hope this puts the whole icons thing to rest.
Who did "the answer" come from?
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New game patch comes with this little tidbit.
"In the arena setup menus, changed the min values for icons and ammo loadout to be the same as they were before this version."
I think we're back in business. :pray
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New game patch comes with this little tidbit.
"In the arena setup menus, changed the min values for icons and ammo loadout to be the same as they were before this version."
I think we're back in business. :pray
Uhh the AvA is still 3k for both. :noid altho' the option appears back if the AvA decides to go that way again.
Might make more of a difference in the custom arenas. Shouldn't you be posting this in general forums? :bolt:
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Why would this be better in Gen. Discussion? My comment is on topic for this thread, it's also revelant to the Axis vs. Allies crowd because having no enemy icons has been the AvA standard for over a year.
Also, I doubt Jimson would change the icon setting mid-settup. We'll see what next weeks settup has.
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page 5 of *this* thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316191.msg4114537.html#msg4114537
Jaegr1 - right now its going to be 3k for both, like the FSO. if the population were to swell and people want them off again, we can revisit the issue.
That might be why?
In addition, poepl had mentioned using the custom arenas to go "no-icons."
:aok
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Who did "the answer" come from?
So, are you ignoring the question? If that's the case, just say so and we'll move on from here.
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Thanks for the answer via PM, Jaeger. :aok