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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Nutzoid on October 10, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
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Like the subject says, is this about the biggest monitor made for PC's? I'm kicking around the idea of upgrading my current monitor, a Sceptre 246w-1080p. It's good, but wouldn't bigger be better, from a gamers standpoint that is?
I'm leaning toward a 32" 2ms something or another, but have also thought "what the heck, why not a 40" TV"? I wouldn't be that interested in watching movies or the like on the TV/Monitor (although having that option is nice), as I don't do that now, but the thought of a bigger screen for the game seems like something to consider.
So that being said, what do ya'll think? Go with a dedicated 32" monitor (or bigger if it exists) or go 40" TV? If TV, what would be some of your recommendations?
Many thanks,
Nutz
P.S. BTW, are there larger monitors that the 32"?
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Like the subject says, is this about the biggest monitor made for PC's? I'm kicking around the idea of upgrading my current monitor, a Sceptre 246w-1080p. It's good, but wouldn't bigger be better, from a gamers standpoint that is?
I'm leaning toward a 32" 2ms something or another, but have also thought "what the heck, why not a 40" TV"? I wouldn't be that interested in watching movies or the like on the TV/Monitor (although having that option is nice), as I don't do that now, but the thought of a bigger screen for the game seems like something to consider.
So that being said, what do ya'll think? Go with a dedicated 32" monitor (or bigger if it exists) or go 40" TV? If TV, what would be some of your recommendations?
Many thanks,
Nutz
P.S. BTW, are there larger monitors that the 32"?
I believe there is a topic floating around here of someone who got a 40 inch monitor. (and didnt tell his wife about it)
:noid
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I believe there is a topic floating around here of someone who got a 40 inch monitor. (and didnt tell his wife about it)
:noid
Well that sure is a big help Tyrannis. Any idea who this might be?
Nutz :huh
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dichotomy has a dual 42 inch setup, and wwhiskey just got a 40.
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Here is one of those little monitors you are talking about..
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,218117.0.html
and here is the post from WWhiskey on his recent purchase...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321421.msg4190913.html#msg4190913
LawnDart
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Like the subject says, is this about the biggest monitor made for PC's? I'm kicking around the idea of upgrading my current monitor, a Sceptre 246w-1080p. It's good, but wouldn't bigger be better, from a gamers standpoint that is?
I'm leaning toward a 32" 2ms something or another, but have also thought "what the heck, why not a 40" TV"? I wouldn't be that interested in watching movies or the like on the TV/Monitor (although having that option is nice), as I don't do that now, but the thought of a bigger screen for the game seems like something to consider.
So that being said, what do ya'll think? Go with a dedicated 32" monitor (or bigger if it exists) or go 40" TV? If TV, what would be some of your recommendations?
Many thanks,
Nutz
P.S. BTW, are there larger monitors that the 32"?
There are larger monitors but they're obscenely pricey. Then again if you're a millionaire go for it!
A TV is usually a very poor choice for gaming due to their input lag which can be (depending on model) ten times higher than in a real monitor. This will make your shots miss because everything you see on screen moves already further in reality -> you're aiming at the point where the enemy *used to be* not where he is.
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How about one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfvK9f9eMI)! :devil
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Go with a dedicated 32" monitor (or bigger if it exists) or go 40" TV? If TV, what would be some of your recommendations?
AFAIK the current TV sets only support Full HD resolution 1920×1080 except the Philips Cinema 2560 x 1080p, whereas monitors can do WXQGA 2560×1600 or even better. There are computer display standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_display_standard) for much higher resolutions, but hardly no devices yet. The Wiki mentions IBM T220/221 monitors having used a very high resolution (found other brands, too), but they were only 22 inches. For that size the pixels are about half of that compared to normal monitors, so the picture would have more details in a certain area. If you could double the size with a big magnifying fresnel lens, such a monitor would equivalent an 44 inch normal one with standard quality picture. I guess...
After reading the above it looks like you'd better get a 30+ inch new one with 2560x1600, they cost about the same as a used T220 without the lens hassle. Or a 56" Quad Full HD one @ 3840 x 2160 for about $ 50.000...
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i don't know whether input lag is an issue anymore or not, there are several of people around here using tv's as monitors without issue. the lowly 32in 720p monitor i bought recently isn't one of the top line toshibas but, i connected my game system to it via dvi to hdmi and played a few games including 30 minutes in ah, i didn't notice any issues with response time. it does have a mode that allow a faster response time and wsxga resolutions at 60hz. i wouldn't advise even trying it with a cheap store brand though.
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I run a 42 inch 1920x1080 lcd TV the native resolution is 60hrzs.. That means with vertical sync locked I get a solid 60 FPS in aces high and 56-60 in Il2 stermovick. Just make sure it has VGB hdmi and dvi inputs ..
This is the best thing I ever did for my flight siming enjoyment. If you can... buy a 42"+ TV and a track Ir ..
I got the lcd TV 5 years ago... cost me $... Now you can get a 42 inch 1920x1080 lcd for $700 and up.. They are very cheap at this time...
Here is the monitor in the current man cave..
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/Picture%20043.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/Picture%20072.jpg)
To give you some scale.. pre man cave.. Its good for skinning too..
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/skinin.jpg)
I highly recommend the upgrade combined with a track Ir.... short icons or no icons become a non issue...This stuff is very affordale now days.... go for it ...:aok :aok
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Ever try turning that projector around and just using the wall for AH, Raven?
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Yes my wife and kids frown upon that :uhoh... But I do a race sim on the big screen w/o turning the room upside down :D
I don't dig the projector with the flight sim.. It looks and sounds fantastic at 120 inches on the big screen and the surround sound it the room.. But something is off with the timing,aim and playability..I Cant put my finger on it. I may revisit it at some point. The 42 inch is the sweet spot for my situation anyway..
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my 40 is an LED, I have no problem with lag or anything else
I got it at sears for $700 it is 1080 with 1920 res
their are some out there with DVI ports, but they are hard to find in this size so I use a DVI to HDMI block, it plugs into my computer and you hook the hdmi cable to it,
my "bargain" card didn't have an HDMI plug but it still seems to work just fine the adapter block is around $25 at any electronics store, no big deal!
on my next rebuild, i will be making sure the card has HDMI tho
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whiskey, you paid $25 for a dvi/hdmi adapter? :confused: yikes.
i bought a full cable for under $10...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007MWE1E (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007MWE1E)
depending on what video card you buy next and when you buy it, you may need to buy one of these instead...
http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-Black-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B002CSRF9M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1318344104&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-Black-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B002CSRF9M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1318344104&sr=1-1)
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whiskey, you paid $25 for a dvi/hdmi adapter? :confused: yikes.
i bought a full cable for under $10...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007MWE1E (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007MWE1E)
depending on what video card you buy next and when you buy it, you may need to buy one of these instead...
http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-Black-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B002CSRF9M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1318344104&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-Black-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B002CSRF9M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1318344104&sr=1-1)
I already had one, but noticed the gold plated ones at some place i was passing thru for $25 I had a card with HDMI ports on it before but that card quit on me and the card i have now was just one I had laying around,
an ATI 4650 i think maybe a 4550,,, not sure it worked fine so i never got around to ordering a new one, and soon I am going to rebuild my computer and I haven't got a clue what i am going to put in it next time!
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i don't know whether input lag is an issue anymore or not, there are several of people around here using tv's as monitors without issue.
On AH only, probably not. But if you play FPS games it is a big deal, even on "real" monitors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZMVN_ZGqLc
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ripley, that video is 2+ years old. but i see where there could be an issue, mostly with consoles connected to older hdtv's.
however, i did some deeper digging around and input lag is not an issue when the hdtv is connected to a computer. all of the subprocesses on the television that would normally cause the problem are negated by the video card, when connected to the hdmi or vga port.
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My son plays on a tv, 38 or40 inch. He uses the picture in picture to watch tv, and plays games on the big screen. COD run smooth with no lag that I can see.
He's a geek, so if there were ANY lag he wouldn't put up with it, so it must be good.
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ripley, that video is 2+ years old. but i see where there could be an issue, mostly with consoles connected to older hdtv's.
however, i did some deeper digging around and input lag is not an issue when the hdtv is connected to a computer. all of the subprocesses on the television that would normally cause the problem are negated by the video card, when connected to the hdmi or vga port.
Well I recently tried a laptop in our 40" Sony HDTV and even in 'game' mode it lagged visibly behind. The TV is 1 year old.
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My son plays on a tv, 38 or40 inch. He uses the picture in picture to watch tv, and plays games on the big screen. COD run smooth with no lag that I can see.
He's a geek, so if there were ANY lag he wouldn't put up with it, so it must be good.
The only way to see input lag is to set up a faster screen (crt basically) next to it and clone the display. You'll notice that whatever movements you make on the screen happen instantly on the crt and with visible delay on the LCD screen (well, on most cases that is). You can't see input lag while looking at just 1 screen - it's there but you won't detect it.
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Well I recently tried a laptop in our 40" Sony HDTV and even in 'game' mode it lagged visibly behind. The TV is 1 year old.
What kind of video card did the laptop have? That may have caused the issue.
As for my my sons system, if you can't see the lag what is the issue? If it created an issue when he played his games it would be fixed. Money is not an issue, but playing his game well is :)
As I said. His tv works great for games. Clean, clear, and quick with no blurring.
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What kind of video card did the laptop have? That may have caused the issue.
As for my my sons system, if you can't see the lag what is the issue? If it created an issue when he played his games it would be fixed. Money is not an issue, but playing his game well is :)
As I said. His tv works great for games. Clean, clear, and quick with no blurring.
The issue is that if a fast moving object shows on your screen 0,2 seconds later you won't realize it but in real life this happens:
Your tv screen: ----------------
Object in it: ---*------------
Your tv shows: ------*---------
You aim: ------*--------- which is a miss.
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That's what I'm saying. My son is a geek with more money than he needs. If his gaming experience was suffering due to any lag of would be fixed even if it meant throwing $5000 at it for a better tv/ monitor.
So seeing as he hasn't, I'm pretty sure the lag is negligible. Being 25, single, and a geek leaves lots of room for his gaming. I believe your information on "tvs as monitors" is old and no longer relevant as long as your talking a descent quality tv.
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I've been using a 47in LG lcd for about 6 months now,I was going to get a 55 in but found it was too big for the distance I sit from it and this might have caused an issue if I ever get trackIR.
I have a clone setup with a 24 in widescreen monitor and checked to see if there was any input lag as mentioned and if there is I couldnt notice it.
I use the vga input as my vidcard doesnt have hdmi. Be advised even if the screen says it's 120hz/240hz it will only run at 60 hz in pc mode,mine happens to be 3d but I only got it because the $$$$ was right and a non 3d screen with same specs was actually more money at the time.
If you really interested in trying this,go to a small AV store and ask them to plug a pc into the screen and watch it yourself,most the bigbox stores wont do this as it's"too much trouble".
You wont get the fine resolution of a PC monitor,limited to 1920x1080 but your pixel size will be larger and you'll see "enemy dots" long before most others will.This has been a huge help to me with my poor eyesight.
YMMV.
:salute
PS: I can tell what plane is what at more than 2K out now and even what direction it's going,couldnt do this with the 24 inch screen at any resolution.
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That's what I'm saying. My son is a geek with more money than he needs. If his gaming experience was suffering due to any lag of would be fixed even if it meant throwing $5000 at it for a better tv/ monitor.
So seeing as he hasn't, I'm pretty sure the lag is negligible. Being 25, single, and a geek leaves lots of room for his gaming. I believe your information on "tvs as monitors" is old and no longer relevant as long as your talking a descent quality tv.
I agree even with a 5 year old LCD TV I have no issues..
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I believe your information on "tvs as monitors" is old and no longer relevant as long as your talking a descent quality tv.
And I believe you just don't have information whatsoever. End of story.
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And I believe you just don't have information whatsoever. End of story.
Oh that's right your the guy who's never wrong. Everyone else hasn't a clue.
LOL good luck with that, while the rest of us move forward and except new ideas, and advancements.
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FWIW, here's an article comparing the old Dell 3008WFP (that I use) to the new Dell U3011 (2011 model).
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u3011.htm#gaming (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u3011.htm#gaming)
The article describes both Responsiveness (improved from 8ms to 7ms) & Input Lag (improved from 35ms to 24.4ms), along with a few comparisons with other models.
I can't say I notice any of this when playing on the old 2008 model, but it's obviously measurable and a good excuse for why my gunnery is so shocking!
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And I believe you just don't have information whatsoever. End of story.
just so you know, though you're right that it is and has been a factor, you're not totally correct.
http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3012 (http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3012)
please read the entire article. i don't own an lg tv but, that article along with other sources i found in my digging, does validate what myself and others using hdtv's for monitors are saying. that article also shows how people can avoid the problem.
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for what its worth..Just some info from personal experience. RE:The setion in the article Gyrene81 refers to about using VGA as a work around..... I can validate in my instance as true. That is how I have always connected... not because of lag but because for some reason I have more resolution choices than i do with hdmi or dvi.. guess I lucked out and avoided lag issues because of it..
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just so you know, though you're right that it is and has been a factor, you're not totally correct.
http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3012 (http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3012)
please read the entire article. i don't own an lg tv but, that article along with other sources i found in my digging, does validate what myself and others using hdtv's for monitors are saying. that article also shows how people can avoid the problem.
Well going by this article gyrene posted the link for.... which is 2 and half years old... there is/was an issue. Even then work arounds where common sense, don't over drive your system and try to make it do something it was made to do. Keep the resolutions at native settings, use VGA connections and such. In the 2.5 years technology has advanced, just a bit. I'm sure the TV's are much better, and they also take into account.... the non-bargain basement type anyway.... that people are going to use them as both computer/game monitor as well as the "tv".
Game systems have advanced as well, not to mention what you can do with computers and their video systems.
Why don't we just round this out with, if you use a cheap tv, or a computer system that is not at least average in performance you may run into some issues with "processing lag". On the other hand if you buy a decent tv with a computer that has a real video card in it you most likely won't have an issue.
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Nutzoid have you considered going with more monitors ie triplehead set up?
I accomplished a set up for under 500 dollars. Hd5850 vid card 150, existing 19" Samsung LCD
plus 2 matched monitors I got on ebay for 150 the pair. Add the stand which was 149 on closeout. The Radeon xfinity multi monitor is a piece of cake to set up and my video card is like 2 years old now. I run a resolution of 3840 X 1024
the difference from a bigger monitor to more monitors is huge! Add tracker and it is like a totally different gaming experience.