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Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Karnak on August 12, 2001, 02:00:00 PM
It seems that threads about German aircraft go on and on and threads about non-German aircraft quickly become threads about German aircraft, or at least the unfair effect of said aircraft as it relates to the German aircraft available in AH.

Why?

What is it about German aircraft that causes the BB to be absolutely dominated by them?
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 12, 2001, 02:27:00 PM
<shrug>  Perhaps because the German aircraft have "fans", and I guess most of us are just more vocal than everyone else.  I for one am keeping the Ta-152 thread right up at the top until I either a. Get a response from HTC about my email (which is included in the thread btw), b. get a response from HTC in the thread, or c. wake up and find that the Ta-152 has either had its perk cost drastically reduced, or eliminated.  Until then I'm going to fly it, and every time I lose 40 points I'll come back and let you guys know.  ;)
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Kieran on August 12, 2001, 02:30:00 PM
Ahhh... my latest contributions to long debates...

I am guilty of dragging the latest one out. The thing is I am not pro/anti anything. I just don't think we will ever resolve the real issue with what people perceive to be a good/bad game.

As Toad so often reminds us, people apply selective realism to their view of the game. The amount of historic background necessary for immersion is varied for different people, as are the included elements. We all have a different idea of what makes it work.

Some people claim to want "all-historical", then complain nonstop about something real that upsets gameplay. All of a sudden a concession is okay.

Then you have concession oriented people who argue against things because they are not historical.

We all seem to take a stand where is benefits us or our particular style of play, regardless of how it impacts the gameplay of those around us. I personally believe that any time anyone asks for a new American or German plane it guarantees an argument simply because they are the two sides that have the least need for a new anything at the moment, from any perspective you wish to choose. Still, the advocates ask and are hurt when these requests are questioned.

America and Germany have the most planes included, make no mistake. Germany has a very vocal, insistent crowd. America has its advocates too, but from an American perspective don't seem to be as vocal. YMMV.

The short: it is hard to not debate someone that has practically everything and demands more (at the necessary resource drain from work on the other sides). The German side seems to do this more than the other sides IMHO.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: DingHao2 on August 12, 2001, 02:33:00 PM
German planes were some of the most interesting planes to ever roll off the assembly line.  And most of them look like murderous killers, not racers.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Toad on August 12, 2001, 02:41:00 PM
Karnak,

No offense mate but this is a "tar baby".

This topic isn't going to solve it, only exacerbate it.

While I enjoy reading these threads, they rarely solve anything.  ;)

My .02 is that HTC has a pretty good idea of where they are going, what they need to add to get there and when they will add those things. They may look at our suggestions but only to refine their master plan. This is my _guess_.

We all just create the famous "tempest in a teapot" arguing here to keep ourselves amused.  :)

When I get all riled up, I get in my new "Lotus" position (right hand on stick, left hand on throttle, feet on rudders, eyes on gunsight) and chant my mantra "Play the Game... Play the Game..."

I know how you must feel about the RAF planeset; I share that. But they will come,  along with the other "forgotten" countries; of this I am certain.

(...and they we'll have some REAL wailing and gnashing of teeth threads to enjoy!)

Oh how we'll smile then, eh?

Stiff upper lip, eh wot?

 ;)
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: -ammo- on August 12, 2001, 02:51:00 PM
Someone say something about the P-47D11? Oh nevermind, wrong thread.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: straffo on August 12, 2001, 03:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
German planes were some of the most interesting planes to ever roll off the assembly line.  And most of them look like murderous killers, not racers.

This explanation is just plain stupid.

LW aircraft are (for me at least ) the symbol of one arrogant nation who was put into dust and humiliation in 1945 (if Euro politician were not so dumb and stupid it should have been done in 1935 and not 1945 with a lower price than 10 years later ...).

And we (other airforces fan) are just polite and waiting without pissing other BBS user with improbable field modification of their favorite ride  ;).
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Hangtime on August 12, 2001, 03:38:00 PM
And on that note; I'm gonna get toejamfaced and kill something.

My version of Toads Lotus Position.

 :D
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Nashwan on August 12, 2001, 03:45:00 PM
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I know how you must feel about the RAF planeset; I share that. But they will come, along with the other "forgotten" countries; of this I am certain.
I wish I could believe that. It's something I've been told for the last year and a half.

Looking back over the old treads, Vermillion used to contribute claiming the Soviet planeset was the worst, with no late war planes, whilst the RAF had a 1944 Spit. Since then, the 1944 Spit turned out to be a 1942 Spit, the La 7 and Yak 9 have been added.
RAM used to post, claiming the Germans had no late war planes to compete against the Americans. Even though they already had their late 44 19G10, they have since had 4 190s added, including the late war Dora, the Ta152 added, and they are lobbying for the perk to be removed. They are getting a 262 as the ultimate perk.
The US had a late war planeset from the start, it's hard to think of a representitive late war fighter that the US could get. Even so, it looks like they are soon to have a post war fighter added as a perk.
I don't know a huge amount about Japanese planes, but the Ki-61 is at least a 1944 plane, and the N1k2 is either late 44 or early 45, depending on how you look at it.
The RAF has one late war jabo plane, the Typhoon, one late war fighter, the Tempest, which is currently the highest priced perk, even though it's historical counterparts, the La7, Dora, G10 etc are all unperked. It also has a collection of early war Spits, the V which is a typical mid 41 plane, and the IX which is a typical mid 42 plane. The most representitive version of all Spits would be an LF IX, produced from early 43 on, but that is absent.
What does the RAF get this time? A much needed post 42 Spit? No, instead they produce a mid 41 Hurricane, a plane so outdated that the RAF used them primarily as ground attack planes because they couldn't survive against the 109F2.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Kieran on August 12, 2001, 03:52:00 PM
Correct, Nashwan. Funny how a guy can say "unperk the Ta152" and "the Hurricane IIC will upset the arena" at the same time.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 12, 2001, 05:14:00 PM
Kieran. I didn't THINK you were stupid, but maybe I was wrong.  If you go back and read carefully, I said that I thought the Hurricane was going TO GET EATEN ALIVE in the MA.  That is just about as far from "unbalancing" as you can get.  If you are not a native English speaker let me know and I'll try to get that translated into your native language.  

About the Ta-152, you guys that think it is such a hot toejam plane- go fly it.  You can "fly it right", which means never going below 35k, or you can attempt to fight in it.  I'll guarantee you that you will not do as well as you think you will in it.  Go ahead, prove me wrong.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Toad on August 12, 2001, 05:15:00 PM
I agree Nashwan. It has and is taking far longer than it should.

However, I still believe the RAF will eventually get the "good stuff".

There can be no doubt that the LW afficianados have been a much more vocal and aggressive group.

Perhaps its the characteristic British politeness that is hurting the cause.  ;)

Nonetheless, sooner or later they have to model the better IX Spits and the XIV as well.

Can you imagine the wailing when it finally happens? And there'll be no legitimate wail. Not numbers, not combat use, not "late war"...  :D A day to dream of.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 12, 2001, 05:19:00 PM
By the way, Nashwan.  You seem to have this funny idea that I am totally against seeing this clipped wing 1943 Spit in the game.  Go ahead and read back over my posts- I never said that.  I could care less if it is in the game to be honest.  What will happen is that in 2 or 3 months you will be saying "The Spitfire IX LF *there is probably more to the title that I can't remember* is NOT FAST ENOUGH!!!  Why do all the other countries get 1945 planes unperked when the poor old RAF has to settle for the most popular plane in the game being a mid 1943 version.  This is totally unfair.  There was a Version of the Spit XXXXVBBDSFTEWRSCCXBBDFY  that could do 947 mph on the deck, i WANT THAT ONE!!!!!"  

Yes, much of this was an exageration.  I know this.  You don't WANT a 1943 spit- you want a 1945 spit to go with the 1945 planes everyone else has.  Just say it and be done with it, you'll feel better once you get it off your chest.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Hangtime on August 12, 2001, 05:44:00 PM
I's sure like a 1945 spit in the CA about now...   :D

 
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...and threads about non-German aircraft quickly become threads about German aircraft..

What we could do is more quicky turn all threads about german aircraft into threads about RAF aircraft.. BEFORE they turn into threads about the effects on german aircraft...

.. wait.. no... nevermind.

[ 08-12-2001: Message edited by: Hangtime ]
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Nashwan on August 12, 2001, 06:01:00 PM
I asked for a Spit XIV when I first got here. I know now it would be too unbalancing, as would an unperked Tempest. It seems Britain really was that far ahead in aircraft design that our prop planes from early 44 were so much better than any others in the world.  :)
I would like to see the Tempest much cheaper. Last tour the CHog had nine times as many kills as the Tempest. I think the arena could see more Tempests without being unbalanced. 35 or so perk points seems right to me.
The point about the Spit IX is that as the best British planes from 44 would be too unbalancing, it makes it even worse that we are denied a 1943 version of the Spit. Would I feel the perking of the Spit XIV and Tempest unfair? Yes, to a certain extent, but nowhere near as unfair as the current situation. Would I lobby for the Spit XIV and Tempest to be unperked? No, maybe a gradual reduction in perk points to see how they fare, so that a value that keeps them rare but not too rare can be established.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: StSanta on August 13, 2001, 05:26:00 AM
Heh Tempests are untouchable even for *dumb* pilots  :).
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Effdub on August 13, 2001, 08:55:00 AM
Straffo, your argument makes no sense to me. Even if the Me262 were a "symbol of an arrogant nation" it still is a pretty interesting design. Same goes for Dornier Do 335, Henschel HS-129, you name it... If the french had any interesting designs to offer I'm sure we'd like to see them too - but then again, they lost the war after two weeks (pretty arrogant to believe the maginot line would stop any attack, eh?).

I guess that's your real problem, not?

Same behaviour in another thread about Galland, Marseille and Hartmann, where you call them "untermenschen" whilst reffering to Rene Fonck as the only real ace.

I myself am german - I know all about the crimes committed by Germany from 1935-1945. The large majority of germans have leanrt their lesson well - they know that national pride can lead to disaster, but it seems that one has to lose a war to grasp this concept.

Funny thing is that France nowadays is the country that is considered to be arrogant by it's neighbors.

Well, that's what I believe is going on in your mind when you comment about anything german.

I myself just enjoy the game and would like to see more planes from any nation, without being blinded by national pride...

as far as Rene Fonck goes... he was a great pilot, just as Hartmann, Galland or Marseille.

The war ended in 1945 - France and Germany are both part of Europe - that should make us um, friends, no?

whatever,

Effdub

Nuclear Power may not be clean or safe, but it sure is the most expensive way to boil water...
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 13, 2001, 09:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
German planes were some of the most interesting planes to ever roll off the assembly line.

Nope, Russia, Italy and Romania have by far more interesting aircraft.

 
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
And most of them look like murderous killers, not racers.

Kind of like the people they fought for?
-SW

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: straffo on August 13, 2001, 09:22:00 AM
I feel sorry Effdub my post was harsh and stupid showing my bad side when I'm tired  :(
I should refrain to post when in a bad mood  :(

Btw I keep thinking that if in the early 30's  French kicked Hitler butt it should have been better for a lot of people in Europe (German included)

The arrogant part was more in my mind directed (*) to the ding_hoax troll whos is currently "uber" poluting (IMO) this board.
But as I'm not a native english I often sound rude in my post whereas I just try to be ironic.
(*) and not directed to the citizen of Germany

For my post in the Galland and Marseille thread was a poor man troll attempt with lotsa more smilies than in the current post  :D btw did you notice they all have french name (*) ?.
(*) yep it's a troll  :D

Personnaly I've nothing againt German people current or past (with some exception like the head of the Nazi party or Rudel for instance)
Neither do I have respect for some past of current French historic figure (Napoleon for exemple)

 
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France and Germany are both part of Europe - that should make us um, friends, no?

We are I've just an hawfull need of vacation ...

Frédéric
Currently humiliating himself in the BBS and in the MA with smurtz as handle ...


PS : last point just to sound  a bit more arrogant we (the french) were the 1st to bomb Berlin ... yada yada nananere  ;)
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Effdub on August 13, 2001, 09:54:00 AM
S! Straffo, I'm very happy that we have cleared this up  :)

Actually, I agree with all your statements made in your second post.

Effdub

btw, I don't mind that the French were the first to bomb Berlin - but I guess the English, Americans or Russians may be offended that someone else beat them to that "honor"  ;)  :D :P  :)
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: straffo on August 13, 2001, 10:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Effdub:
S! Straffo, I'm very happy that we have cleared this up   :)

Actually, I agree with all your statements made in your second post.

Effdub

btw, I don't mind that the French were the first to bomb Berlin - but I guess the English, Americans or Russians may be offended that someone else beat them to that "honor"  

I've to thank you as I should  have left such a post without explanation ..

The good side is they never killed anyone in their attempt  :)

It was quite an aventure some french airmen (with a suicidal tendancies  :)) used a former airliner (a farman 224) with a single 7.5 Machine gun (used through a window   :eek:   :eek: ) to drop bomb some * 50Kg over Berlin (through the same windows  :))
In their 1st attempt the german were so surprised that they switched ON the light at the Berlin airport thinking it was a Luftansa aircraft   :rolleyes:

* I thing they bringed 4 or 6 50Kg bombs
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Kieran on August 13, 2001, 10:29:00 AM
....pssst, Urchin. <whispers> "You aren't the only guy asking for a cheap Ta152..."
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: mrfish on August 13, 2001, 10:34:00 AM
well france was the arrogant world bad guy before 1880 and i still had a great time at le musee du louvre......the roccoco period is height of french arrogance and you don't see anybody bashing francois boucher for painting naked 12yr old girls. ah, how soon they forget.

german planes are just incredible examples out of history....appreciate them for what they are without all the political nonsense.(on both sides btw)

after all, japan never apologized for the rape of nanking, maybe we should boycott n1ks and wear lil' ribbons in outrage? now, there, i solved the n1k problem too and all before 9....    :)

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: funkedup on August 13, 2001, 12:13:00 PM
To answer Karnak:  I think it's probably due to a high percentage of AHers with "alternative lifestyle choices".   :)

Seriously, I agree with Nashwan 100%.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Hristo on August 13, 2001, 04:54:00 PM
Seriously, I'd be surprised if we don't get Spit XIV in 1.08.

It's time for that plane, despite the dweeb horde which will inevitably flock to it.

As for Tempest, it is a damn kickass plane. You have to be much much better than Temp pilot to beat it in a D-9. Luckily, we are getting a plane that was also met by Tempests in 1944-45. And it has no prop   ;).

Ta 152 might be a great high alt interceptor, but it is in no way in Tempest class. I'd pick D-9 over it any day. Still, I believe G-10 is better for dealing with Temps, until Me 262 arrives.

German planeset is finally looking as 1944 planeset. US planeset was like that from the start. Brits, sadly, are lacking. They need Spit XIV and some LF/HF stuff.

P51H would be a bad joke. What would stop others from asking for Go 229 then ?

And yes, LW planes look best. And swastika looks good on planes.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Hristo ]
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: DingHao2 on August 13, 2001, 05:08:00 PM
Most late war planes more or less specialized in a certain area:  G-10 in speed, P-51D mostly in speed and range, a lil emphasis placed on maneuverability, P-47D-30 on firepower, La-7 in low-alt speed, ect., ect.  The Spitfire Mk. XIV had good  maneuverability, good speed, 'bout slightly above average firepower.  It'll probably outclass most other planes in the current arena.  I'd say, that unless (or until) the perk system be replaced by a rolling plane set, that we shouldn't get a XIV--the IX is already the 2nd most popular plane (if most it's the 2nd most popular plane, then shouldn't there be something that's good about it?).

Why I prefer German planes over planes of other countries?  It's simply a matter of my opinion.  (I'm no German nationalist.)
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: minus on August 13, 2001, 05:16:00 PM
yes and not

Lw whiners  hmmmm what you will due you who not whine on any side when your prefered ride brink you only dead ??? u change plane

hmmm so then what is your prefered ride ??????????????????????????

a beter plane like other have ? /if yes who you vonder the others like to have  then beter plane from you >?

 hristo agree just 1 thing  i em realy alergic on any symbols like svastica , red star  white star blue star color trip

if any 1 of you have fighter soul why u not use the old one                                                               ,, must be a real Pig M...a  F...e A....e who paint first time on plane  national marks and armed it !!
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Wlfgng on August 13, 2001, 05:28:00 PM
to the original question posed in this thread:


because they evoke something predatory in me (and others).  They are quite simply.. the baddest looking aircraft from WWII...  :)

besides... who cares
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 13, 2001, 06:02:00 PM
Here's the real answer:

Because every game to date has them modelled "poorly" or in the game's that have them modelled to the "LuftWaffe" fan base's liking... turns out to be Fighter Ace.
<G>
-SW
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 13, 2001, 06:06:00 PM
WEll, the authority has now spoken.  We all know why people talk about the German planes so much.  Thanks a Bunch SWulfe!  I always thought it was because I just liked them...
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Karnak on August 13, 2001, 09:47:00 PM
I myself spend time talking about German aircraft.  I don't mind talking about them as they are interesting, but so are British, Japanese, Russian, American and Italian aircraft.

I fly every kind of aircraft in AH.  Obviously there are some aircraft I like more, but there is not a single aircraft in AH that I haven't done a sortie or more in.

I'm just wondering why there is so much more emotion surrounding German aircraft and the state of the German planeset and what the German planeset needs to be able to do it all on its own?

BTW, the answer is: the bomber version of the Me410 for ground strikes and a Ju52 to carry troops. Everything else would fall in the "nice to have, but not required" category.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 14, 2001, 07:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by Urchin:
WEll, the authority has now spoken.  We all know why people talk about the German planes so much.  Thanks a Bunch SWulfe!  I always thought it was because I just liked them...

Yup, you are a dumb ass.

EDIT: You think my statement was a complete fairy tale? Check these out from iEN's board: http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001023.html (http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001023.html)  http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001019.html (http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001019.html)
-SW

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Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Toad on August 14, 2001, 08:26:00 AM
For the same reason Giants fans are still talking about Superbowl XXXV?

 :D
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: lazs1 on August 14, 2001, 08:36:00 AM
it's quite simple really...  Nazi's and limey"s is the Euro version of cowboys and indians.   Many misfits and emotional cripples identify with the most evil force they can hoping that it will add some menace to their drab and weak personalities.   Others, simply crave the attention that being the "bad guy" will bring.  Yet others have read a few of the "I flew for the furer" romance novels and are convinced that the avowed technical superiority of the nazis will give em and edge in a game.   All become dissapointed and vocal when the obvious happens.

Personally I believe that if a P47 looks like a "jug" then a 190 looks like a perfume bottle with it's delicate little fuselage and nipped in area in front of the tail.   The 109 just looks..... outdated.   (even after they took off the wire braces for the stabs).  the glass looks like the greenhouse my first wife cobbled up with grape stakes and visqueen.    Most LW planes are kinda funny looking to me.  All painted up to look (LOL) menacing.
lazs
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Wlfgng on August 14, 2001, 09:38:00 AM
ROFLMAO Toad... hehe

so let me get this right Laz...
painting a shark mouth on the plane is NOT trying to make the plane look more aggressive ??    lol

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Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 14, 2001, 09:47:00 AM
Well, since Swulfe and Lazs have thrown in their little 2 cent psychological evaluations of everyone who flies German planes in Aces High, I guess I'll throw in mine.

My theory is this - NOT EVERYBODY CAN FLY A whoopee NIKI,SPIT,OR LA7.  A few of us like to fly OTHER planes, even though they aren't the "best".  At least, thats how I decided to "pick" a favorite plane.  Believe it or not, I decided from the very beginning that if I was ever going to be known as a "good stick"- I was going to do it in an uncommon aircraft.  I started flying the 109G10- and I think I'm a better pilot because I didn't go with the herd and fly a Niki, Spit, or La7.  Now, I've only been playing for 4 months now, so I'm nowhere near as good as some of the "vets" as it were- but I'll get there someday.

And perhaps when someone sees a 109 or 190 in the arena they'll say.  "Hum- wonder if thats Urchin?" (kinda like folks do with P38s and Cit).  Whereas when folks see a Niki, Spit, or La7- thats what they see.  I know I'm not thinking "Oh God, wonder if that's Nash in that Niki down there".  I'm thinking- "Hum, Do I really want to engage 5 Nikis?"

Anyway, there is my two-bit psychological treatise on the "Luftwhiner" pilots in MA.  Feel free to disagree.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 14, 2001, 10:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:


Yup, I am a dumb ass.

EDIT: You think my statement was a complete fairy tale? Check these out from iEN's board: http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001023.html (http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001023.html)  http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001019.html (http://lists.ient.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001019.html)
-SW

[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]


Weeelllll, I've never played Warbirds.  If the 190's are doing the stuff they are talking about in the thread, I'd say they have a legitimate complaint.  What should they be doing?  Saying "Gee, this 190 really sucks.  Guess the 190 really sucked in real life to, because the Germans lost the war- so all of their planes, tanks, etc. must have been vastly inferior to the Russian and American equipment since those two countries won the war".  If you think like that SWulfe, I pity you.  You seem to have a problem with people raising issues about anything in ANY game.  Should those people that WANT to fly a 190 but think that there are problems with it just say "Awww, diddly it" and jump in a Niki, Spit, or LA7 (or whatever the equivalent of that in that game is)?

You and Lazs BOTH seem to think that unless you think Allied planes are the coolest think to hit the planet since sliced bread, you are some sort of jack-boot wearing Nazi.  I almost hate to tell you it simply isn't true.  Oh sure, there might be one or two people (in AH anyway) that fly the German planes to act out some sort of desire to "be evil"- but the VAST majority of folks that fly them for the same reason you do- because we LIKE to fly them.  I personally like flying them because using an "offbrand" plane as it were forces me to try to use my planes strengths against my opponent's planes strengths, and I've always found dissimilar air combat more interesting than similar air combat.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Creamo on August 14, 2001, 10:06:00 AM
And perhaps when someone sees a 109 or 190 in the arena they'll say. "Hum- wonder if thats Urchin?"

Thats what I always say...

Damn it, are you that Jamacian mind reader that is spamming me!

"It's my obligation"

I knew it.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 14, 2001, 10:24:00 AM
Awww too bad your light's on but no one's home Urchin.

DING! I was ranked #5 on the top 100 for the past several tours in the 190A5, and ranked #5 on the 109G2 list, I also ranked on the 109F4 list.

So basically, what you say about Allied planes? I fly them all, I just don't pick a single plane or airforce's planes to ensure that they and only they are correct.
-SW
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: Urchin on August 14, 2001, 11:34:00 AM
Aww- to bad you'll notice that I said "many of us like to fly German aircraft for the SAME REASON YOU DO".  I KNOW you fly the 190A5- which I actually think is sorta ironic, considering you go out of your way to paint others who fly German planes as Nazis.

And no, I've never seen you campaigning FOR any single country, I've seen you campaign AGAINST one though, many times over, in the 4 short months I've been here.
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 14, 2001, 11:45:00 AM
I've never campaigned against any one country. Yes, I *AM* against people that say, "somethings broke but I can't figure it out what!"

I've never labelled anyone a nazi, or a jack-boot. Perhaps you just like to lump everyone together that is very vocal against the "LW".

I've labelled a select few of the "LW" recreationists as LuftWhiners, LimpWristed or LeatherWearing. If you somehow assume that any of those 3 descriptions are "nazi" labels, I'd really like to know how you came to that scientific conclusion.

4 months eh? Been here since Beta tour2.

You experience close to two years of the same record from the same people month after month and we'll see how much YOU enjoy that particular clique.

I was against the 190D-9's guns being broken. Why? My experiences proved otherwise.
I was against, well anything being changed that didn't have proof or facts to prove otherwise.

I was FOR the 190's roll rate being fixed, but it appears as though you choose to read selectively and assume that because I'm against 9 out of 10 of the changes they wanted I must be completely against that country.

No, but if you are going to whine (no proof, just "Waaaaaa it's broke") over and over and over... man you are just going to piss me off.
-SW
Title: Why do we spend so much time talking about German aircraft?
Post by: lazs1 on August 14, 2001, 02:06:00 PM
"so let me get this right Laz...
painting a shark mouth on the plane is NOT trying to make the plane look more aggressive ?? lol
"
Well.... the sharks teeth were a Brit inovation and the "tiger teeth" were first suggested by a chinese fellow and ended up being a copy of the brit design.

urchin.... nope.   your wrong.   people fly the nazi planes ONLY for the reasons I have stated.   My guess is that most of em are also gay  (not that there's anything wrong with that).  
lazs