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Title: How about a J2M?
Post by: -ammo- on October 13, 2014, 01:31:42 PM
This AC is long overdue in AH and would be competitive. 
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: EagleDNY on October 13, 2014, 02:14:48 PM
The B29s over Japan FSO that is running right now could certainly use the J2M, and I have +1'd this in the past. 
I'd certainly fly it if it were there.   

That said, I still think the biggest hole in the Japanese planeset is named Judy.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: mbailey on October 13, 2014, 04:29:10 PM
Id like to see the Gekko (J1N1) also at some point.....I'm a sucker for twin engines  :D

Granted there's more in the Japanese set that deserve to be in front of it.....expecially the J2M and Judy
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: HighTone on October 13, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
+1 for the J2M

And some additions to the Ki-61 line up would be awesome as well. And bring out the Ki-100 please  :cheers:
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Coalcat1 on October 13, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
+1 for the J2M

And some additions to the Ki-61 line up would be awesome as well. And bring out the Ki-100 please  :cheers:
Add the KI-44 to that and you'll have a damn good jap plane set.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Wmaker on October 14, 2014, 11:35:55 AM
I certainly would like to fly J2M.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Chris79 on October 14, 2014, 11:56:43 AM
+10^99
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: wpeters on October 14, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
The B29s over Japan FSO that is running right now could certainly use the J2M, and I have +1'd this in the past. 
I'd certainly fly it if it were there.   

That said, I still think the biggest hole in the Japanese planeset is named Judy.
+1.  We need it
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Nefarious on October 14, 2014, 05:22:53 PM
+1
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: RotBaron on October 14, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
 :aok  How many +'s can I contribute?
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: ONTOS on October 20, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
The J2M, I like it. :aok
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: RotBaron on October 20, 2014, 12:19:47 PM
The last FSO was in dire need of the plane designed for the defense of Japan from B-29's.

The B-29s had a cap of 20k and once they've dropped no Ki or N1K is going to see anything but their vapor trails...

The 20k cap was because nothing we have can compete higher or because they don't want FSO to drag on?

Although the J2M may not have been terribly effective at its intended design, with a great deal due to inexperienced pilots and resource shortages from Allied bombing, we aren't rehashing out the War itself, we are replaying scenarios with entirely and potentially different outcomes.

Again please add the J2M and its variants, I believe this would be my favorite ride if it ever makes it into the arena.

 :salute
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Rich46yo on October 20, 2014, 01:02:08 PM
Add the KI-44 to that and you'll have a damn good jap plane set.

Yeah, + 1.

Ive always wondered, were the Japanese EVER able to make high quality fuel during the war for their aircraft or was this something that plagued them later in the war. Like many others the J2M was a different aircraft with American fuel in it for post war testing. 30 to 40 mph is very significant.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Zoney on October 20, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
The last FSO was in dire need of the plane designed for the defense of Japan from B-29's.

The B-29s had a cap of 20k and once they've dropped no Ki or N1K is going to see anything but their vapor trails...

The 20k cap was because nothing we have can compete higher or because they don't want FSO to drag on?

Although the J2M may not have been terribly effective at its intended design, with a great deal due to inexperienced pilots and resource shortages from Allied bombing, we aren't rehashing out the War itself, we are replaying scenarios with entirely and potentially different outcomes.

Again please add the J2M and its variants, I believe this would be my favorite ride if it ever makes it into the arena.

 :salute

Sir, I wouldn't argue with the desire to have more planes to play with.  I found the aircraft available to us Japanese pilots to be much more effective than you might think.  The first one I got 3 passes on the B29's and last week I got 2 passes on them.  Not suicidal tail chases, passes.  Before this series started there was some grumbling about the impossible job the Japanese would have, and I have found that not to be the case.  I think my squadmates would agree with me.  Granted, if the B29's had come in at 30k there would have been a different outcome and only one pass would have been possible.  This has been a great and fun event.   :salute
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: -ammo- on October 22, 2014, 11:56:21 AM
Sir, I wouldn't argue with the desire to have more planes to play with.  I found the aircraft available to us Japanese pilots to be much more effective than you might think.  The first one I got 3 passes on the B29's and last week I got 2 passes on them.  Not suicidal tail chases, passes.  Before this series started there was some grumbling about the impossible job the Japanese would have, and I have found that not to be the case.  I think my squadmates would agree with me.  Granted, if the B29's had come in at 30k there would have been a different outcome and only one pass would have been possible.  This has been a great and fun event.   :salute

So, you guys had no problem intercepting the B-29s?  I believe it after reading the logs.  After the interjections from a few of the normal Axis flyers to introduce  restrictions to allow for the insufficient IJN/IJA plane set, it really wasn't needed.

From Wikipedia so I cannot guarantee accuracy, but the J2M would clearly be competitive in the MA and fill a need for scenarios.

General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: 9.70 m (32 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.81 m (13 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 20 m² (216 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,839 kg (6,259 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,211 kg (7,080 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × One 1,850 hp Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a 14-cylinder two-row radial engine, 1,379 kW (1,850 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 655 km/h (355kn or 407 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,430 m (37,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 1 402 m/min (4,600 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.232 kW/kg (0.382 hp/lb)

Armament

Guns: 4 × 20 mm Type 99-2 cannons in the wings, two in each wing, inboard guns having 190 rpg, outboard guns 210 rpg.
Ordnance: 2 × 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or 2 × 200 L (53 US gal) drop tanks.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: RotBaron on October 22, 2014, 07:40:43 PM
Does cognac age increase its desirability?

I have a ~30 yr old bottle of Courvoisier in Waterford crystal. 750mL i believe.

One day I'm going to sell it or trade it for the J2M?  :O
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Dragon Tamer on October 22, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
So, you guys had no problem intercepting the B-29s?  I believe it after reading the logs.  After the interjections from a few of the normal Axis flyers to introduce  restrictions to allow for the insufficient IJN/IJA plane set, it really wasn't needed.

From Wikipedia so I cannot guarantee accuracy, but the J2M would clearly be competitive in the MA and fill a need for scenarios.

General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: 9.70 m (32 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.81 m (13 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 20 m² (216 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,839 kg (6,259 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,211 kg (7,080 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × One 1,850 hp Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a 14-cylinder two-row radial engine, 1,379 kW (1,850 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 655 km/h (355kn or 407 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,430 m (37,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 1 402 m/min (4,600 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.232 kW/kg (0.382 hp/lb)

Armament

Guns: 4 × 20 mm Type 99-2 cannons in the wings, two in each wing, inboard guns having 190 rpg, outboard guns 210 rpg.
Ordnance: 2 × 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or 2 × 200 L (53 US gal) drop tanks.

Your fancy numbers just confuse me boss, found this instead.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/Jack-11-105A.pdf
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: wpeters on October 24, 2014, 01:56:16 PM
Beautiful climb rate. Would give the K4 a hard time in a vertical fight +  a niki's fire power
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: bustr on October 24, 2014, 02:41:27 PM
No armor for the pilot or fuel from the pdf file. Magic BB city.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Rich46yo on October 25, 2014, 02:21:08 AM
Again I have to ask where these performance numbers came from.

You cant fill it with Yank fighter fuel and put it in Aces High.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Karnak on October 25, 2014, 03:31:03 AM
Again I have to ask where these performance numbers came from.

You cant fill it with Yank fighter fuel and put it in Aces High.
Looks like US calculated numbers from during WWII.  Top speeds I usually see for the J2M is in the 378-386mph range, depending on the version.  The climb is also not 4600fpm.

Some versions may have armor, I don't recall.
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: Wmaker on October 25, 2014, 04:45:29 AM
No armor for the pilot or fuel from the pdf file. Magic BB city.

There was at least armored glass for the pilot:
(http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/uploads/post-2-1109192748.jpg)

EDIT/...and also 8mm armour plate behind the pilot aswell./EDIT

Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: EagleDNY on October 26, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
The last FSO was in dire need of the plane designed for the defense of Japan from B-29's.

The B-29s had a cap of 20k and once they've dropped no Ki or N1K is going to see anything but their vapor trails...

The 20k cap was because nothing we have can compete higher or because they don't want FSO to drag on?
 

I agree here completely - if the B29s in this past FSO had gone up to 30K, the japanese defense would have been 1 pass and gone with no chance at all to catch up.  20K at least made it a battle. 
My only regret was not trying the B29 NOE strike.   
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: mthrockmor on October 26, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
Does cognac age increase its desirability?

I have a ~30 yr old bottle of Courvoisier in Waterford crystal. 750mL i believe.

One day I'm going to sell it or trade it for the J2M?  :O

No, it does not.

And, how much do you want for it?

boo
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: mbailey on October 27, 2014, 02:47:44 PM
Does cognac age increase its desirability?

I have a ~30 yr old bottle of Courvoisier in Waterford crystal. 750mL i believe.

One day I'm going to sell it or trade it for the J2M?  :O

I agree with mthrockmor ...no not at all....and should you feel the need to get rid of it, let me know....Id gladly pay you for the waterford crystal container.....cognac included of course...Ill take care of empting it for you, got to keep that fishing arm of yours healthy, wouldnt want u to strain it pouring it out.......See im a giver.... What are friends for  :D   :aok

mthrockmor.....ill invite ya over to help empty it....might be to heavy for me  :lol
Title: Re: How about a J2M?
Post by: RotBaron on October 28, 2014, 04:51:42 PM
I've been keeping it for posterity or something like that  :lol

Gf's dad offered me $150 a couple of years ago, I laughed for quite some time.

A couple of bar owners have asked me which one it is, all I know is what it looks like (sort of; it's wrapped in bubble and in a box these days), it has a felt cover over the stopper and no blemishes. Those bar owners said depending, $500 to $2000, they'd have to see it...

I don't know if I've ever had Courvoisier, isn't cognac kinda harsh like scotch? Hard liquor for sipping was never my thing.