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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rob52240 on November 21, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
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1. Somebody chased off all of the customers.
2. The 12 hour country change is absolutely retarded.
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:noid
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U vultched me last night I logged:). That and no other fights going on.
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In before the lock. :aok
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My fault
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In before the lock. :aok
Also in! :aok
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1. Somebody chased off all of the customers.
2. The 12 hour country change is absolutely retarded.
Lol thanks for the heads up. I was going to come back today but now I think I'll wait for the new graphics engine.
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Lol thanks for the heads up. I was going to come back today but now I think I'll wait for the new graphics engine.
That's just great, so this suggestion is for a game you don't even play?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367493.msg4894081.html#msg4894081
How about you just renew your account and log in and support the game with your 15 bucks there scooter.
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That's just great, so this suggestion is for a game you don't even play?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367493.msg4894081.html#msg4894081
How about you just renew your account and log in and support the game with your 15 bucks there scooter.
I've played this game for about 15 years. I think I am qualified to make suggestions.
Especially since gameplay is the main reason I quit so many times. And apparently many other players have quit also so maybe a voice like mine should be heard more so than those that think nothing is wrong.
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2. The 12 hour country change is absolutely retarded.
Heh. The rule that must not be named. Expelliarmus!
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I've played this game for about 15 years. I think I am qualified to make suggestions.
Especially since gameplay is the main reason I quit so many times. And apparently many other players have quit also so maybe a voice like mine should be heard more so than those that think nothing is wrong.
Yeah, I agree completely, those who don't play should have a more valued opinion than those that do. That's the way to run a business for sure. I think you should call Honda and tell them what is wrong with their Sportbikes since you don't ride them either.
Seriously, re-subscribe and change the game one person at a time, YOU. If you want better gameplay come show us how to do it, show us how to have more fun.
I'm out of this conversation.
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:noid
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Yeah, I agree completely, those who don't play should have a more valued opinion than those that do. That's the way to run a business for sure. I think you should call Honda and tell them what is wrong with their Sportbikes since you don't ride them either.
Seriously, re-subscribe and change the game one person at a time, YOU. If you want better gameplay come show us how to do it, show us how to have more fun.
I'm out of this conversation.
All the motivational stuff aside he stated he has been in the game for 15 years he really doesn't need to pay 15 dollars just so he can state his opinion.
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2. The 12 hour country change is absolutely retarded.
(http://i.imgur.com/oiaMyHH.jpg)
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Yeah, I agree completely, those who don't play should have a more valued opinion than those that do. That's the way to run a business for sure. I think you should call Honda and tell them what is wrong with their Sportbikes since you don't ride them either.
Seriously, re-subscribe and change the game one person at a time, YOU. If you want better gameplay come show us how to do it, show us how to have more fun.
I'm out of this conversation.
When you decide to not subscribe or unsubscribe you are prompted to answer why you are doing so. So ya HTC is interested in why people are not playing. This is pretty common. If I rode a Honda sportsbike for 15 years and decided to go to another Brand and Model, I am pretty positive Honda would want to know why.
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Seriously, re-subscribe and change the game one person at a time, YOU. If you want better gameplay come show us how to do it, show us how to have more fun.
As far as I know, subscribers don't have the ability to change the game code :old:
Or is it me only who didn't get his AH SDK yet? :noid
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1. Somebody chased off all of the customers.
2. The 12 hour country change is absolutely retarded.
Lol thanks for the heads up. I was going to come back today but now I think I'll wait for the new graphics engine.
And ironically it is you who just "chased off" another customer, Rob.
These types of "gripes" are pointless -- like yelling at the rain to stop. The number one thing you control in the game environment is that YOU get to decide if YOU want to be a positive or negative influence on the game. That's pretty much it. Complaining without suggesting solutions is choosing to be the latter -- you're not helping, you're just making things look worse than they are. There are many great aspects of Aces High. And yes, there are many aspects that can be improved. But just griping about one without offering anything positive, like a suggested change to improve things, just makes you part of the problem.
My point is to the whole community (not trying to pick on you, Rob, but using this as an example). I see many pointless "gripe" threads on the general forum, mainly when people are looking for others to commiserate with them. Instead, post these things in the Wishlist Forum. That's where posts on areas of the game that could use improving go. Maybe actually put some thought into a suggestion or two on what you would rather see or how it could be improved.
Bottom line, if you choose to play, then try to be a positive influence. You want more players in the game? Make the game more appealing! Help out new players. Recruit for a squad. Post fun missions. Participate in events. Make suggestions for areas of improvement. Or sometimes the best thing to do is just shut up and play. But don't post threads like this. What's the point of paying to play a game that you are undermining through your own actions?!
My two cents.
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Ryno
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And ironically it is you who just "chased off" another customer, Rob.
These types of "gripes" are pointless -- like yelling at the rain to stop. The number one thing you control in the game environment that YOU get to decide if YOU want to be a positive or negative influence on the game. That's pretty much it. Complaining without suggesting solutions is choosing to be the latter -- you're not helping, you're just making things look worse than they are. There are many great aspects of Aces High. And yes, there are many aspects that can be improved. But just griping about one without offering anything positive, like a suggested change to improve things, just makes you part of the problem.
My point is to the whole community (not trying to pick on you, Rob, but using this as an example). I see many pointless "gripe" threads on the general forum, mainly when people are looking for others to commiserate with them. Instead, post these things in the Wishlist Forum. That's where posts on areas of the game that could use improving go. Maybe actually put some thought into a suggestion or two on what you would rather see or how it could be improved.
Bottom line, if you choose to play, then try to be a positive influence. You want more players in the game? Make the game more appealing! Help out new players. Recruit for a squad. Post fun missions. Participate in events. Make suggestions for areas of improvement. Or sometimes the best thing to do is just shut up and play. But don't post threads like this. What's the point of paying to play a game that you are undermining through your own actions?!
My two cents.
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Ryno
This should be stickied.
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Lol thanks for the heads up. I was going to come back today but now I think I'll wait for the new graphics engine.
You won't be alone. Watch many of old faces show up after the 'big update'
Myself, well I come & go when finances allow it...
Coogan
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These types of "gripes" are pointless -- like yelling at the rain to stop.
Everybody knows you got to do the raindance, backwards :banana:
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And ironically it is you who just "chased off" another customer, Rob.
These types of "gripes" are pointless -- like yelling at the rain to stop. The number one thing you control in the game environment is that YOU get to decide if YOU want to be a positive or negative influence on the game. That's pretty much it. Complaining without suggesting solutions is choosing to be the latter -- you're not helping, you're just making things look worse than they are. There are many great aspects of Aces High. And yes, there are many aspects that can be improved. But just griping about one without offering anything positive, like a suggested change to improve things, just makes you part of the problem.
My point is to the whole community (not trying to pick on you, Rob, but using this as an example). I see many pointless "gripe" threads on the general forum, mainly when people are looking for others to commiserate with them. Instead, post these things in the Wishlist Forum. That's where posts on areas of the game that could use improving go. Maybe actually put some thought into a suggestion or two on what you would rather see or how it could be improved.
Bottom line, if you choose to play, then try to be a positive influence. You want more players in the game? Make the game more appealing! Help out new players. Recruit for a squad. Post fun missions. Participate in events. Make suggestions for areas of improvement. Or sometimes the best thing to do is just shut up and play. But don't post threads like this. What's the point of paying to play a game that you are undermining through your own actions?!
My two cents.
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Ryno
LoL I at least did suggest a solution but it got shot down since I currently do not subscribe :ahand :bhead
To respond to your post it is not on the paying customer for any game to recruit, advertise, or generally make the game better. It's HTC's job to do all that, retain as much players as possible and replace the ones (like me) that have left. We can make suggestions but it's all we can do. It's ultimately on them to improve the game. Sure the word of mouth is the best form of advertisement, but give me something to talk about first, then I'll speak.
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LoL I at least did suggest a solution but it got shot down since I currently do not subscribe :ahand :bhead
The best thing about the wishlist is, every post in it that isn't about the facts surrounding the idea is utterly meaningless unless the the poster is someone from HTC.
Wiley.
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Rob wears a dress only at the weekends :old:
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Nice crowd last night.
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Rob wears a dress only at the weekends :old:
Zack wears rubber longjohns all the time..... :old:
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LoL I at least did suggest a solution but it got shot down since I currently do not subscribe :ahand :bhead
To respond to your post it is not on the paying customer for any game to recruit, advertise, or generally make the game better. It's HTC's job to do all that, retain as much players as possible and replace the ones (like me) that have left. We can make suggestions but it's all we can do. It's ultimately on them to improve the game. Sure the word of mouth is the best form of advertisement, but give me something to talk about first, then I'll speak.
a solution to a problem would never get shot down by anybody here, including hitech. The illusion that you have a solution to a problem is what gets shot down every time.
as for giving you something to talk about the game. If in all the years you played you never had anything positive to talk about the game? I think the problem is not the game, the problem perhaps is you. The part about making the game fun is up to you and me. I dont play as much as I would like due to work. but there has been very few days when I have logged off because I wasnt having fun. been playing for about 8 years. have switched names often but I dont recall ever cancelling my subscription because I wasnt having fun.
semp
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The illusion that you have a solution to a problem is what gets shot down every time.
semp
"LoL I at least did suggest a solution"
No illusion here or anything of the sort. Just a suggestion.
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Tw9 subscribe.. i can get you into plenty of red guys. Quityersqueakin :D
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"LoL I at least did suggest a solution"
No illusion here or anything of the sort. Just a suggestion.
I for one thought one of the core concepts of your suggestion was outstanding -- a game mechanic wherein destroying enemy UNITS (and not just buildings) has an actual measurable impact on "winning the war" in game terms. More on that in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367493.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367493.0.html)
You clearly have put in your time with the game and have an understanding of its mechanics, so ignore those who dismiss your suggestions solely because you aren't currently subscribing. It's nice to see a thread from an ex-player who wants to see improvement the game (and would like to return). I'm sure there are many others in your category and that provides HTC plenty of motivation for the updates they've done and are currently working on delivering.
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Ryno
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"LoL I at least did suggest a solution"
No illusion here or anything of the sort. Just a suggestion.
see you think you have a solution. well if there's a solution then there's a problem or the illusion that there is a problem. now you have the illusion that your idea got shot down because you arent a subscriber. then you fail to realize that there's the possibility that your idea is not a good one and the fact that you arent a subscriber has no relevance to it.
did you ever stop to think that no matter what we say here, we arent the ones who make the decision if an idea is good or bad. that is really up to hitech and crew. we can discuss it and give our opinion for or against it. but even if 90% of the players supported an idea it doesnt mean it is good for the game. this has been proven many times over.
semp
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now you have the illusion that your idea got shot down because you arent a subscriber. then you fail to realize that there's the possibility that your idea is not a good one and the fact that you arent a subscriber has no relevance to it.
Are we reading the same thread?
That's just great, so this suggestion is for a game you don't even play?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367493.msg4894081.html#msg4894081
How about you just renew your account and log in and support the game with your 15 bucks there scooter.
Yeah, I agree completely, those who don't play should have a more valued opinion than those that do. That's the way to run a business for sure. I think you should call Honda and tell them what is wrong with their Sportbikes since you don't ride them either.
Seriously, re-subscribe and change the game one person at a time, YOU. If you want better gameplay come show us how to do it, show us how to have more fun.
I'm out of this conversation.
And I think you're reading a bit too much into what I've stated so far. I've never suggested that my idea was a cure-all or anything of the such. It's just an idea. You don't like it and I do. Just leave it at that. I posted it in the wishlist and I am sorry to the OP that it creeped into his thread. btw not done by me.
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Zack wears rubber longjohns all the time..... :old:
Its a outrage!......................but true :old:
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PIPZ.....where have you been? OBX is lonely :old:
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12 hour rule is absurd.
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Are we reading the same thread?
And I think you're reading a bit too much into what I've stated so far. I've never suggested that my idea was a cure-all or anything of the such. It's just an idea. You don't like it and I do. Just leave it at that. I posted it in the wishlist and I am sorry to the OP that it creeped into his thread. btw not done by me.
Ignore semp TW9, he's like an ostrich with his head in the sand. He is of the complete mind that there is nothing wrong in the game and the people will come back all on their own with out any help from HTC.
Picture Kevin Bacon in "Animal House (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro)" "Remain calm, All is WELL!" LOL!
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Ignore semp TW9, he's like an ostrich with his head in the sand. He is of the complete mind that there is nothing wrong in the game and the people will come back all on their own with out any help from HTC.
Picture Kevin Bacon in "Animal House (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro)" "Remain calm, All is WELL!" LOL!
well you are proof that while the game isnt perfect it is still enjoyable. you do play dont you?
semp
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12 hour rule is absurd.
Especially when you take the already existing ENY into account. The entire purpose of the ENY we've been told is to "nudge" players to join the side with less numbers, by either taking away 5 ENY rides from players, or by perk point bonus incentive. Ok fine. What happens when the numbers swing again, as the frequently and rapidly do? What happens to that "nudge" then? Right - nothing, because of the 12 hour rule, you can't switch and rebalance the teams. It makes ENY a one trick pony, only effective in doing anything once per day, one single time per player. After that, thanks to the 12 hour rule, it's made absolutely irrelevant.
Very odd.
I don't switch from Knights under any circumstance really, so it never bothers me, but I completely understand why the 12 hour rule frustrates so many.
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PIPZ.....where have you been? OBX is lonely :old:
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. ;)
12 hour rule is absurd.
Hear hear! Agreed! :old:
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Especially when you take the already existing ENY into account. The entire purpose of the ENY we've been told is to "nudge" players to join the side with less numbers, by either taking away 5 ENY rides from players, or by perk point bonus incentive. Ok fine. What happens when the numbers swing again, as the frequently and rapidly do? What happens to that "nudge" then? Right - nothing, because of the 12 hour rule, you can't switch and rebalance the teams. It makes ENY a one trick pony, only effective in doing anything once per day, one single time per player. After that, thanks to the 12 hour rule, it's made absolutely irrelevant.
Very odd.
I don't switch from Knights under any circumstance really, so it never bothers me, but I completely understand why the 12 hour rule frustrates so many.
Thiiiiis...
4 hours pls so I can switch in the morning for a fight and not have to worry about not being able to play in the evening...
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Especially when you take the already existing ENY into account. The entire purpose of the ENY we've been told is to "nudge" players to join the side with less numbers, by either taking away 5 ENY rides from players, or by perk point bonus incentive. Ok fine. What happens when the numbers swing again, as the frequently and rapidly do? What happens to that "nudge" then? Right - nothing, because of the 12 hour rule, you can't switch and rebalance the teams. It makes ENY a one trick pony, only effective in doing anything once per day, one single time per player. After that, thanks to the 12 hour rule, it's made absolutely irrelevant.
Very odd.
I don't switch from Knights under any circumstance really, so it never bothers me, but I completely understand why the 12 hour rule frustrates so many.
gman the whole thing about re-balancing the sides is pure bs. I used to switch every hour back when we had it and it was never to balance the side or due to the lack of fights. the reason was just to get more kills. and I saw a lot of guys who supposedly switched to balance the sides, or is what they say now, doing the same thing. how do I know? because we flew together and we would talk about switching to kills the guys that we had just been flying with.
semp
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first switch = 1 hour
second switch = 2 hours
third switch = 4 hours
LtngRydr
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And ironically it is you who just "chased off" another customer, Rob.
These types of "gripes" are pointless -- like yelling at the rain to stop. The number one thing you control in the game environment is that YOU get to decide if YOU want to be a positive or negative influence on the game. That's pretty much it. Complaining without suggesting solutions is choosing to be the latter -- you're not helping, you're just making things look worse than they are. There are many great aspects of Aces High. And yes, there are many aspects that can be improved. But just griping about one without offering anything positive, like a suggested change to improve things, just makes you part of the problem.
My point is to the whole community (not trying to pick on you, Rob, but using this as an example). I see many pointless "gripe" threads on the general forum, mainly when people are looking for others to commiserate with them. Instead, post these things in the Wishlist Forum. That's where posts on areas of the game that could use improving go. Maybe actually put some thought into a suggestion or two on what you would rather see or how it could be improved.
Bottom line, if you choose to play, then try to be a positive influence. You want more players in the game? Make the game more appealing! Help out new players. Recruit for a squad. Post fun missions. Participate in events. Make suggestions for areas of improvement. Or sometimes the best thing to do is just shut up and play. But don't post threads like this. What's the point of paying to play a game that you are undermining through your own actions?!
My two cents.
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Ryno
You left out the part about how I got boomhaur to log off last night by vulching him after changing sides.
As far as griping without also providing a business plan to go along with my complaints.... Well when I complained about the 12 hour timer, I assumed they realized I feel it is too long, not too short.
And regarding my gripe about the low number of players compared to when I played before... Well I trust HTC to not need or want my lay-person's marketing advice.
I also cannot chase off a customer who is not paying, if they are not a paying customer, they are not a customer. Potential customers are not customers.
Now I can bring up the fact that when I came back I also sent my lifelong best friend a stick/throttle and got him a 6 month subscription. I know this doesn't mean that I deserve a cookie or even a pat on the back but I am probably actively doing more than you are to help build the customer base.
If you didn't want to read about people complaining, you should not have clicked on the post since it is labled "my gripes". You obviously knew the substance of the thread before you chose to open, read and respond to it with your own complaints about my complaints.
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gman the whole thing about re-balancing the sides is pure bs. I used to switch every hour back when we had it and it was never to balance the side or due to the lack of fights. the reason was just to get more kills. and I saw a lot of guys who supposedly switched to balance the sides, or is what they say now, doing the same thing. how do I know? because we flew together and we would talk about switching to kills the guys that we had just been flying with.
semp
Well there you have it, case closed.
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gman the whole thing about re-balancing the sides is pure bs. I used to switch every hour back when we had it and it was never to balance the side or due to the lack of fights. the reason was just to get more kills. and I saw a lot of guys who supposedly switched to balance the sides, or is what they say now, doing the same thing. how do I know? because we flew together and we would talk about switching to kills the guys that we had just been flying with.
Yes, excellent reason to leave it like it is now.
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In AH1 and AH2 up to a few years ago ENY was to stop 300 players from joining a single side and shut down the arena. We no longer have to fear from that. But, 20 guys in 262 harassing 5 guys is no fun either. I'm not sure HiTech really expected players to change sides when ENY kicked in. But, he did expect ENY to keep highly imbalanced odds from causing players to log or cancel their accounts like they did in AH1. Because the rooks got 300 players every Sunday night to close the arena down for about a month. You cannot fight 150 guys in late war rides when your side only has 30 guys. That is what ended up happening due to the rooks JSO before ENY to the knights and bishops.
Semp is correct. Many uber skillz players jumped sides to the high number side to get kills. Jumping to the low number side to help out was a polite lie for these forums. This game is about screwing other people at any cost. HiTech imposes a few rules to keep that attitude from driving customers out of the game. ENY was one of them because the rooks in AH1 were causing paying customers to cancel their subscriptions.
You guys never think about the fact that HiTech has a payroll to meet. You just want to screw other players at any cost without HiTech getting in your way. Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about his rules.
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. If I rode a Honda sportsbike for 15 years and decided to go to another Brand and Model, I am pretty positive Honda would want to know why.
No, they don't care. They make their money in places other than Europe or the US. Their major effort goes into China and India. The models we get in the "West" are a tiny fraction of their overall sales and could be regarded as technology demonstrators. The only person who'll give a damn is the local dealer.
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Semp is correct. Many uber skillz players jumped sides to the high number side to get kills. Jumping to the low number side to help out was a polite lie for these forums.
When you have 'uber skillz' the place to look for would be a huge red darbar, not a huge green one. With that skill level, get your kills by clubbing 30 man noe missions, and not by being in one and competing with all of them to kill that single defender...
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12 hour rule is absurd.
This, and sadly anyone who will even speak of it will get banned, it has made many leave.
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gman the whole thing about re-balancing the sides is pure bs. I used to switch every hour back when we had it and it was never to balance the side or due to the lack of fights. the reason was just to get more kills. and I saw a lot of guys who supposedly switched to balance the sides, or is what they say now, doing the same thing. how do I know? because we flew together and we would talk about switching to kills the guys that we had just been flying with.
semp
I've been paying and playing for about 7 to 7-1/2 yrs under various callsigns changed for various reasons. but semp is correct in this as a lot of us used to do this kinda regularly. switching sides to kill guys we had just been flying with. people got P/O'd but we all pretty much were still on talking terms to say the very least.
just my $.02 worth and now I'm going back out to get in my truck grab another load and roam around this big 'ol back yard of mine known as the good 'ol US ofA. :salute :cheers: :bolt:
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This, and sadly anyone who will even speak of it will get banned, it has made many leave.
Incorrect on both counts. Whether you love, loathe or are indifferent, the 12 hr side switch limitation was a decision made by HTC. It's their sandbox. A few players went toe to toe with Hitech and Skuzzy on the BB and despite multiple warnings, continued to rub HTC's nose in IT. They fell on their swords (for whatever reason) and were PNG'd. I'm not aware of anyone, banned from the game over the matter.
As for "it has made many leave", I grant you some have left due to this issue. They chose to vote with their wallets, which is their prerogative. Many? Hardly.
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Incorrect on both counts. Whether you love, loathe or are indifferent, the 12 hr side switch limitation was a decision made by HTC. It's their sandbox. A few players went toe to toe with Hitech and Skuzzy on the BB and despite multiple warnings, continued to rub HTC's nose in IT. They fell on their swords (for whatever reason) and were PNG'd. I'm not aware of anyone, banned from the game over the matter.
As for "it has made many leave", I grant you some have left due to this issue. They chose to vote with their wallets, which is their prerogative. Many? Hardly.
You polled all of the people who left? Nevermind...don't answer that.
It made some people leave, some people leaving resulted in other people leaving because numbers dropped, low numbers caused others to take their normal breaks, numbers continued to fall so more people left. the rule then affected others because they wanted to equalize some fights or defenses of bases but could not due to the rule.
It easily saw CONTINUED action in the MA decrease. Action decreases, people leave. It is nice to see the numbers a little higher lately but that happens every winter.
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I've been paying and playing for about 7 to 7-1/2 yrs under various callsigns changed for various reasons. but semp is correct in this as a lot of us used to do this kinda regularly. switching sides to kill guys we had just been flying with. people got P/O'd but we all pretty much were still on talking terms to say the very least.
just my $.02 worth and now I'm going back out to get in my truck grab another load and roam around this big 'ol back yard of mine known as the good 'ol US ofA. :salute :cheers: :bolt:
Truth is, it was rarely about balancing the sides...it was almost always about getting to action and action was against the high numbers.
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This, and sadly anyone who will even speak of it will get banned, it has made many leave.
Speaking of it doesn't get you banned, being obnoxious, rude and condescending to the OWNERS of the company can how ever. A number of players went over board and caused their own trouble and so HTC took care of them. They were asked to tone it down and they didn't.
As for the rule, I too wish it could be changed. I don't know Hitech's reasoning for the 12 hours but I think if he posted a better reason why other than "that was the way it was before" it could go a long way in cooling these discussions. After all MOST of the people here are intelligent enough to follow a GOOD reason. If there isn't a good reason why not try a tour with it at 4 hours and see how it goes?
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You polled all of the people who left? Nevermind...don't answer that.
Just for that, I'm answering :devil
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My fun in MA ended two months after 12 hour rule was introduced. Only thing that kept my 15 bucks in HTC's account was FSO. If the 12 hour rule was changed to 1 hour today, I would strongly considering subscribing again.
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***Face palm***
:rolleyes:
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I sincerely hope that the 12 hour rule is changed at some point. If HTC could conduct a series of tests to see if it balances or causes an imbalance in gameplay, that would be ideal. Until then, you can find me goggled up and killing Camels elsewhere.
:airplane:
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Well, I'm back and excited as ever.. :banana:
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I sincerely hope that the 12 hour rule is changed at some point. If HTC could conduct a series of tests to see if it balances or causes an imbalance in gameplay, that would be ideal. Until then, you can find me goggled up and killing Camels elsewhere.
:airplane:
Which would be a valid experiment if not for the basic fact that in prime time USA and weekends two of the sides ignore each other and double team the third.
What do you want to do? Hop between gnats and rooks every hour just to fight bish?
Face it, you have an opportunity to change countries 3 times in 24:01 hours. Exercise it.
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Speaking of it doesn't get you banned, being obnoxious, rude and condescending to the OWNERS of the company can how ever. A number of players went over board and caused their own trouble and so HTC took care of them. They were asked to tone it down and they didn't.
As for the rule, I too wish it could be changed. I don't know Hitech's reasoning for the 12 hours but I think if he posted a better reason why other than "that was the way it was before" it could go a long way in cooling these discussions. After all MOST of the people here are intelligent enough to follow a GOOD reason. If there isn't a good reason why not try a tour with it at 4 hours and see how it goes?
HTC DID in fact answer this question and "that's the way it was before" was not their response.
If you choose to go find this thread with the answer in it, know this for certain...it is not a cause worth taking up, lol for surely you will burn in HTC BBS hell.
HTC alluded to investigating changing this rule when the new version comes out. My suggestion to those that enjoy their BBS privs is to leave it alone until that time. After that, I believe it to be an open topic since that is when they said they'd investigate the possibility of changing it and one has to assume that input from the player base will be taken into consideration at that time. If that is not the case, I'm sure they'll let the first OPer know immediately when they see the thread labeled:
"New Version is out, now what about that _____ Rule?"
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It made some people leave, some people leaving resulted in other people leaving because numbers dropped, low numbers caused others to take their normal breaks, numbers continued to fall so more people left. the rule then affected others because they wanted to equalize some fights or defenses of bases but could not due to the rule.
It easily saw CONTINUED action in the MA decrease. Action decreases, people leave. It is nice to see the numbers a little higher lately but that happens every winter.
Oh please. You make it sound as though that was the only reason for the decline of the player base. I can assure you it's not. The reasons are many and varied.
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HTC DID in fact answer this question and "that's the way it was before" was not their response.
If you choose to go find this thread with the answer in it, know this for certain...it is not a cause worth taking up, lol for surely you will burn in HTC BBS hell.
HTC alluded to investigating changing this rule when the new version comes out. My suggestion to those that enjoy their BBS privs is to leave it alone until that time. After that, I believe it to be an open topic since that is when they said they'd investigate the possibility of changing it and one has to assume that input from the player base will be taken into consideration at that time. If that is not the case, I'm sure they'll let the first OPer know immediately when they see the thread labeled:
"New Version is out, now what about that _____ Rule?"
OK, I did find it and this is what Hitech had to say....
"This is very close to my opinion, including the 6 hour, I do not know for sure if 6 hours works as well as 12, but I do know from stats, 1 hour does not work well. Most people assume that the limit was raised do to "spying issues". It was nothing to do with it. It is a simple fact that our stats show less of country imbalances with 12 hour vs 1 hour time limits with 1 hour the countries seem to always be out of balance. And the swings are constantly moving to different countries. With 12 hours the % of the swings are a lot less and the frequency of swings are less frequent.
I also understand the desire to be able to fly in the morning on week ends, and change again flying in the evening. And I have no problem with that concept. But I am also fairly sure that changing to 6 hours would have 0 impact on the amount of complaints and we would still have the same amount of kn-ashing of teeth for 1 hour, even though I know 1 hour creates greater country imbalance vs longer.
So things may or may not change in the future, but things will not change to any thing close to 1 hour. The value chosen is base on the damping effect of oscillation do to players changing side along and with desire to keep the time long enough that an immediate change and change back can not be used for a strategic advantage.
HiTech"
So wild swings in side balances is the issue. Understandable, nobody likes being on the "losing" side and if you have no "country loyalty" I can certainly see this as being an issue. I do hope that when they load the new version that they try a different time. 6 hours may have no impact, but maybe 4 would help while still being large enough to cut back on the side balancing issues. 4 hours would give the hard core players a couple changes a night.
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In AH1 and AH2 up to a few years ago ENY was to stop 300 players from joining a single side and shut down the arena. We no longer have to fear from that. But, 20 guys in 262 harassing 5 guys is no fun either. I'm not sure HiTech really expected players to change sides when ENY kicked in. But, he did expect ENY to keep highly imbalanced odds from causing players to log or cancel their accounts like they did in AH1. Because the rooks got 300 players every Sunday night to close the arena down for about a month. You cannot fight 150 guys in late war rides when your side only has 30 guys. That is what ended up happening due to the rooks JSO before ENY to the knights and bishops.
You have selective memory. Back in 2000-2004 -ish in my timezone Bish had this kind of overpower as a rule. 150-60-30 was the norm and no fights between bish and knight, naturally. Every day that I logged on to try to up from one of the few 24/7 vulched fields slowly eroded the fun out of it. When JSO started I was actually laughing because it was poetic justice. In effect JSO was the thing I had always hoped to happen to bish all those years they ganged us. It was only sundays, even then, but it seems its enough to cause a serious case of waaambulance.
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I don't remember ENY being in AH1. But I do remember the Bish hordes. They had a few good squads back then like Bops and 9Giap that would run chain missions. Nits had a few too. Rooks typically lost but they had that huge squad night once a week where they'd basically wipe a map.
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The reasons are many and varied.
This is stated and restated often. IF this is true, why are other game companies who have been around a long time, maybe not as long as HTC, but close on 10 years now, thriving and increasing their player base, while HTC has been down arrow for the last 4 years in that department? You can't blame it on the "multitudes" of reasons and lay no blame at the feet of HTC - as everyone fondly says, it's THEIR company. Their choice to make NO changes in the last 4 years in terms of gameplay mechanics. THEIR numbers that continually have declined. These "many varied reasons" must not apply to other companies who have increased their numbers consistently, to the point of having hundreds of thousands, because many of them seem immune to these "many varied" reasons for player numbers declining. Why is that? No change + no significant improvement = stagnation, and that is the largest reason players have drifted away IMO.
Again, other online games of similar monthly cost are able to keep people constantly interested by constant innovation and positive attitude towards their customers, even, no especially towards the squeeky wheels. This IMO is the other reason that greatly contributes to the decline in members in the last 1/4 of the lifespan of the HTC company.
One thing I will say is that all this stuff around 12 hour rules, player numbers, and such, probably have simple explanations. HT has been quoted from these pages as saying long term players aren't nearly as important to the business model as newly acquired players, especially for their 1st year of playing. This is understandable, as new players are more dedicated, excited, and more likely to bring in other friends to the revenue stream, where as long term players are more likely to cause problems. This also makes long term players less valuable - in all respects. Based on this I don't think HT or Skuzzy lose a wink of sleep over PNGing a long term player, or having him leave the game. Unfortunately the ripple effects of this happening are hard to predict IMO, as many friends and squadmates tend to form and hold a grudge after events like this.
Here is a very interesting, and telling post HT made a while back:
Profit is the only goal and the equation Profit = Total Recipe - Total Cost is really the only equation. There is in reality NOTHING else to consider.
But understanding the equation above is more complex than can be described in a book. Cost is not just a $ amount, you must also consider the time frame of of the profit. I.E. What is your profit over many years vs just this year. This adds the complexity when you start asking, can I sustain a profit when just looking at the short term vs long term effects of lower $ cost. It may be that you are saving a $ but the productivity and training cost increase down the road more then the original savings.
There are also times when nothing is more important then short term profit because in business cash is king. If you run out of cash the company will most likely fold very quickly. Hence thinking long term can also explode the company.
Personal satisfaction also ends up in the same basic equation, because with out it , the drive to make the profit larger is liking to leave very soon.
HiTech
That last sentence tells it all IMO. Personal satisfaction. It's my guess, and only a guess, that this feature of the company probably changed for HTC over time. Less satisfaction = less changes and improvements. Combined with real life, adding wife, children, and the usual stuff that happens over time, satisfaction starts arriving from other sources. Then the place where some of that came from (AH) originally starts to suffer for it. It's normal and common. Still, it doesn't make the customers all that happy.
That said, I think HTC is back on the "good old days" track, and we'll see it sooner than later. I hope. Perhaps the low numbers created enough urgency for the new update to come along, perhaps HTC sought some of that personal satisfaction with AH back, perhaps a number of things. Whatever the case may be, I think that the new update will bring in more numbers, and that alone will improve things a great deal, in the short term especially.
edit- This post is from years ago from HT, I keep most of the interesting ones over the years. It's funny because it's true (imo). Just to give a bit of the other side of the argument.
Believe me when I say been there done that got the tee shirt on pre anouncing contriverial changes. JB88, remember I have been CEO of an online flight sim company since 1995 (- 2 years of wild bill hell).
Have built 2 of them starting from scratch. And while I'm always looking for better ways of doing things.
I have learned a hell of a lot what does and does not work. And also I am constantly reavaluating that knowledge.
One of the things I have learned is that , a pure marketing type person interacting with the community is an absolute night mare . W
They typically do far more damage than you could ever imagine. There problem is that a marketing / sales type personality is very much driven by telling people what they want to hear. While this works for a short time, in the end it really breaks down the trust of gamer vs game maker. And from then on anything the marketing person saises is just viewed as pure hype, and ignored. Go look at WB as a classic example of how to destroy player relations.
When you have a product that all of your customers communicate with each other on a daily basses, it creates an entirely different beast than other type industries.
HiTech
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Oh please. You make it sound as though that was the only reason for the decline of the player base. I can assure you it's not. The reasons are many and varied.
Lmao, no I didnt. I simply made the correlation that some people quitting helped the decline and that rule, at a very minimum enabled some of it. You made that assumption out of what I said. Any reasonable human being that plays this game knows it's not the only reason. Geezus.
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I don't remember ENY being in AH1.
ENY limiter was introduced shortly after switching to AII in summer of 2004
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OK, I did find it and this is what Hitech had to say....
One of the problems with the current Wish List forum is that it is not organized. As a result you are never sure if what you are suggesting or reading has been written about before, and if it has, perhaps what, if anything, HTC has said about it.
The search bar and sages are all we have.
And the squeakiest wheels have the stage. (Which is perhaps all they want).
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This is stated and restated often. IF this is true, why are other game companies who have been around a long time, maybe not as long as HTC, but close on 10 years now, thriving and increasing their player base, while HTC has been down arrow for the last 4 years in that department? You can't blame it on the "multitudes" of reasons and lay no blame at the feet of HTC
I didn't say the many and varied reasons were all external to the decisions HTC has made over time.
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I'd just like to add that' I've never fussed about anything because I'm a very nice person and easy to get along with. I love all of you. <3
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I'd just like to add that' I've never fussed about anything because I'm a very nice person and easy to get along with. I love all of you. <3
Triton28 is awesome....definitely alot more awesome than the other 27 Tritons........ :old:
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Triton28 is awesome....definitely alot more awesome than the other 27 Tritons........ :old:
:o
No. Triton1 pwns me by a substantial margin.
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(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/InBeforeTheLock-1.gif)
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I'd just like to add that' I've never fussed about anything because I'm a very nice person and easy to get along with. I love all of you. <3
dude grow up, arent you like up to 40 by now? only women pretend to be 28 forever :).
semp
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arent you like up to 40 by now?
Um. No.
Gorram thread squeekers, the lot o yas. :lol
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How about them Cowboys. :D
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ENY limiter was introduced shortly after switching to AII in summer of 2004
I say AHwiki be renamed Lusche.... Are you sure you are not AI snailman :lol :lol :lol
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Are you suggesting that the snail may well be Haley Joel Osment IRL?
That would explain MUCH!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNlGFIbU6U