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Title: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 25, 2015, 11:19:03 PM
I have a new Basic Office comp. Not meant for hard core games.And it Handles aces high 2 Great. the alpha . i get 2-4 frames a min with ALL graphics at min. I understand its not a finished product but i sure cant afford another pc!
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 26, 2015, 12:23:59 AM
DXdiag or can you tell us what your video card is? Will your system allow putting a new video card in it or is it a chip on the board.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: JimmyC on July 26, 2015, 12:27:55 AM
maybe you can afford just a second hand vid card?
just a thought
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 26, 2015, 12:42:39 AM
DXdiag or can you tell us what your video card is? Will your system allow putting a new video card in it or is it a chip on the board.
Its a built in thing. no room for expansion. I admit its junk but it works GREAT for ah2 with graphics up. Im surprised its crap for alpha 3 even though the alpha is so similar. 
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Drane on July 26, 2015, 12:54:02 AM
If you tell us what it is and post the dxdiag, someone may be able to help you get it to work better.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 26, 2015, 01:12:08 AM
AH2 graphics is CPU intensive. Alpha is GPU intensive.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 26, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
If you tell us what it is and post the dxdiag, someone may be able to help you get it to work better.
Will do this evening.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Bizman on July 26, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Its a built in thing. no room for expansion. I admit its junk but it works GREAT for ah2 with graphics up. Im surprised its crap for alpha 3 even though the alpha is so similar.
It's not similar at all. It only looks similar. AH2 is processor dependent, AH3 moves the load to the video card.

Just as bustr already said.

The idea of getting a second hand video card is a good low budget advice if you have a pci-e 16x slot on the motherboard. My own rig is already 7 years old with a little more modern video card and the Alpha is as playable as AH2, although my video card gets much hotter with the Alpha.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2015, 12:41:24 PM
I tossed this together, for another reason, but it seems applicable. 

I started just to list the all the differences, but then figured this would probably show it better.

Worth noting is how little of the model was changed for the Alpha.  I think the gauges were the only things changed.  The B17G is one of our oldest AHII models.

In this video you will see reflections, specular, HDR and some other subtle lighting features of the new graphic engine.  All these things are being processed on the video card.  To do these things using the CPU alone would be completely prohibitive.

The shots were taken at the same time of day, with the plane facing the same direction, on the same runway, between both versions of the game.  It is about as equal a comparison as can be done.

Please keep in mind this is Alpha, and subject to change.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 03:56:38 PM
I just today started up the alpha. I decided to post here because I too seem to have a frame rate issue.

game vid card settings, 512 text, AA off, v-sync enabled, auto field of view.
pre log screen gets 59 fps
offline, 1920 x 1080 default res, gets 21-23 fps offline sitting tower, hanger.
offline, 1360x768 res gets 35 fps, ditto areas.

my sig has pc specs
all vid card pc profile  settings mostly off, high perf, single GPU........my vid card has 896mb ram

I will try to get DX report here, but I looked and no obvious issues.

AHII all settings maxed out.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 26, 2015, 03:59:51 PM
I understand that my knowledge of computers is lacking. Im just thoroughly bummed. Im hoping for best though! . How do I do one if these reports?
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2015, 04:07:04 PM
I just today started up the alpha. I decided to post here because I too seem to have a frame rate issue.

game vid card settings, 512 text, AA off, v-sync enabled, auto field of view.
pre log screen gets 59 fps
offline, 1920 x 1080 default res, gets 21-23 fps offline sitting tower, hanger.
offline, 1360x768 res gets 35 fps, ditto areas.

my sig has pc specs
all vid card pc profile  settings mostly off, high perf, single GPU........my vid card has 896mb ram

I will try to get DX report here, but I looked and no obvious issues.

AHII all settings maxed out.

That is about the performance I would expect to see for that video card and the Alpha.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 04:26:21 PM
wow, really I'm bummed then. 2 cards, 896mb ram each, OC'ed a bit as well.

SLI does not work well, I turned SLI off in pc and got a increase in fps. I take it SLI or Cross fire not supported, yes?

The 2 graphic settings that cause the biggest hit are reflections and the low light. Dump those and fps goes to 40. reflections is a 15 fps hit all by itself.
If I uncheck all those graphics options I get 60 fps. Environment at none. But I lose all the new stuff........................ ............

I shall keep poking. I assume that at some point y'all will publish the minimum vid card that is acceptable.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 04:31:53 PM
It's not similar at all. It only looks similar. AH2 is processor dependent, AH3 moves the load to the video card.

Just as bustr already said.

The idea of getting a second hand video card is a good low budget advice if you have a pci-e 16x slot on the motherboard. My own rig is already 7 years old with a little more modern video card and the Alpha is as playable as AH2, although my video card gets much hotter with the Alpha.

May I ask what vid card you running?
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 04:38:15 PM
The GTX 260 in SLI should allow you about 140% better performance than the GTX 9800 even without an optimal SLI game. The problem is probably the way your MB is setup, and the CPU/tri-channel memory bottleneck.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
wow, really I'm bummed then. 2 cards, 896mb ram each, OC'ed a bit as well.

SLI does not work well, I turned SLI off in pc and got a increase in fps. I take it SLI or Cross fire not supported, yes?

The 2 graphic settings that cause the biggest hit are reflections and the low light. Dump those and fps goes to 40. reflections is a 15 fps hit all by itself.
If I uncheck all those graphics options I get 60 fps. Environment at none. But I lose all the new stuff........................ ............

I shall keep poking. I assume that at some point y'all will publish the minimum vid card that is acceptable.

Sounds like you are getting exactly what I would expect with the Alpha, with that video card.

As far as SLI goes, do not expect it to do much of anything for the game.  The current Aces High SLI profile,  supplied by NVidia, is for Aces High I.  It's not even optimized for Aces High 2.  NVidia has been slow to supply SLI profiles for many games.  Getting them to update the SLI profile for Aces High is going to be tough.

And yes, NVidia has to supply the profile.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
Are you sure, Skuzzy? They claim that the automatic configuration would require a custom profile, but that the user may also create their own?

http://www.nvidia.in/object/sli-technology-games-in.html

I understand why having one included with the Nvidia Control Panel would be better, but they seem to be saying you don't have to have it?
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 26, 2015, 05:09:34 PM
NVIDIA says you can create your own custom SLI profile for a game.

http://www.nvidia.in/object/slizone-appprofile-in.html

Suppose that means it's on the player to make SLI happen for AH3 in the end.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2015, 05:14:30 PM
Okay, that is news to me.  We will have to evaluate that.  Thanks guys.  Why are those links to India?

I also noted, they said you could do it for applications which do not have a predefined profile.  Aces High does have a predefined profile.  A bad one, but it is predefined.

I'll look into this some more.

I just recall the issues Respawn had with Titanfall in getting an SLI profile done with NVidia.  Took several months after the game was released.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
It's true that they require the game title be added to a list of those to add, and sometimes they are slow to check the boards, but they do update from time-to-time. Pretty sure we have enough people to pressure them 'politely.'

Come to think of it I think I posted a link to the list back in January (give or take).
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 05:33:09 PM
@MADe: Can you go into the Custom Profile section, add Aces High, and then "Force Alternate Frame Rendering 2" to the profile?
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 05:49:28 PM
The GTX 260 in SLI should allow you about 140% better performance than the GTX 9800 even without an optimal SLI game. The problem is probably the way your MB is setup, and the CPU/tri-channel memory bottleneck.

Please to explain, give up a link or any further info.

I built this machine  many moons ago, and heard nada about what you are stating, so begging here he he........................... ......................
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 05:51:01 PM
@MADe: Can you go into the Custom Profile section, add Aces High, and then "Force Alternate Frame Rendering 2" to the profile?

Yes that's how I run AH2, but alpha is better with sli disabled or the profile selecting single gpu. I did try it.
I have been using my own profile with AH a long time.
Actually I have pretty much turned off most of the AH2 profile options because I use SweetFX. Not with alpha yet!

SweetFx blows away all the profile adjustments and does more for the games looks and eye candy. My beginning forays into alpha have already convinced me to use SweetFX with AH3. It pops the color, sharpens the image, has way better contrast..................... ............but of course that's after I have my pc right.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 05:56:22 PM
So you already added your own profile, but it still works better with SLI disabled?

I can't show a screenshot of the control panel, because I no longer have the 2## series card. I'm operating off of memory, and that's failing me more and more.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 06:02:38 PM
So you already added your own profile, but it still works better with SLI disabled?

I can't show a screenshot of the control panel, because I no longer have the 2## series card. I'm operating off of memory, and that's failing me more and more.

With AH2 I run alternate frame 2.
With Alpha must use single gpu for best fps.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 06:11:15 PM
Okay, but my question is did you add the "ahalpha.exe" to a new custom profile? Because without doing that you will get what you got out of SLI (worse than a single GPU).

EDIT: This is where I have added the ahalpha.exe and I am testing different AF settings.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: 68ZooM on July 26, 2015, 06:14:37 PM
I run twin GTX 260s also my frame rates are the same as the other op's about the same frame rates also I guess I won't know what to do until the final version of AH3 is out then I guess I'll go from there
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 26, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
yes sir I created an Alpha profile.

I am still wondering what vid card bizman is running, his pc is about as old as mine.

offline mode hates shadows, reflections, and post lighting.
offline hates being around a field with objects and ack ack firing. That's pretty much normal. tho
Guess I will test it with sweetfx, wtf. Might as well see what happens.

the new terrain engine seems very similar to what WoW was doing, but there servers only handled 16 players, I beta tested it briefly. Quit when I realized how small the server numbers were gonna be. Part of the joy to AH2 is its ability to be a true mmorpg. Large player base is key.

Also I realize AH needs a bit different intel from the alpha test so I will just run with it for now, see if I can find what AH wants. I needed to get a reasonable fps in order to test tho.
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quick edit game says I have 879mb in gpu ram and its using 314mb of that number.
SweetFX really helps the look BUT, being gpu based it causes fps loss so.........................
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 26, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
If memory serves me at the moment I seem to recall Bizman is using a Radeon 69-something.

This is still an alpha version and we are supposed to be looking for bugs more than worrying about frame rates. Usually (although never a sure thing) frame rates improve before beta, and then again before release. Not sure what we will see here, but I would think something similar.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Drane on July 26, 2015, 06:56:10 PM
I understand that my knowledge of computers is lacking. Im just thoroughly bummed. Im hoping for best though! . How do I do one if these reports?

Here is link to Skuzzy's Hints and Tips sticky in the Technical Support section of the forum that explains how to do a dxdiag report. Only difference will be to attach the report to your post instead of emailing to Skuzzy.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg3215282.html#msg3215282 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg3215282.html#msg3215282)
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Bizman on July 27, 2015, 06:05:30 AM
May I ask what vid card you running?
Radeon HD 6970 with 2 GB memory
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 27, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
I guess that since everyone else is weighing in on this, I will as well.

My personal computer has a very old processor; an Intel Pentium D 945, but a very powerful graphics card; an EVGA GTX 760 4GB Superclocked. I get between 20 and 30 frames per second when in the alpha, I can get up to 45 with everything off.

My other computer has an Intel i3-4150 and a Gigabyte GTX 750 2GB, I get between 55 and 60 FPS with the default settings.

This has lead me to believe that it's not just an issue of bigger graphics cards, you should have a CPU that can work well with the graphics cards.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chilli on July 27, 2015, 11:55:57 AM
I tossed this together, for another reason, but it seems applicable. 

I started just to list the all the differences, but then figured this would probably show it better.

Worth noting is how little of the model was changed for the Alpha.  I think the gauges were the only things changed.  The B17G is one of our oldest AHII models.  In this video you will see reflections, specular, HDR and some other subtle lighting features of the new graphic engine.  All these things are being processed on the video card.  To do these things using the CPU alone would be completely prohibitive.

The shots were taken at the same time of day, with the plane facing the same direction, on the same runway, between both versions of the game.  It is about as equal a comparison as can be done.

Please keep in mind this is Alpha, and subject to change.

I hear ya Dragon Tamer, but after I read this from Skuzzy, it did put a better light on (no pun intended) what graphics performance depends on (in Alpha anyways). 

So, minus the reports of strange graphic anomalies and single digit framerates, in a very few cases, the Open Alpha seems to be looking very close to cooked.  Remembering that the tester's job is to make reports on the unexpected results.  At this point, I would have to say that framerates are not the target of Alpha testing, but very interesting indeed, to see all of the insights from the community.  I must say that these posts which may or may not be helpful to HTC, have been a treasure find for me.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Bizman on July 27, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
I guess that since everyone else is weighing in on this, I will as well.

My personal computer has a very old processor; an Intel Pentium D 945, but a very powerful graphics card; an EVGA GTX 760 4GB Superclocked. I get between 20 and 30 frames per second when in the alpha, I can get up to 45 with everything off.

My other computer has an Intel i3-4150 and a Gigabyte GTX 750 2GB, I get between 55 and 60 FPS with the default settings.

This has lead me to believe that it's not just an issue of bigger graphics cards, you should have a CPU that can work well with the graphics cards.
You're right. The CPU should be able to feed information at the pace the GPU can take it. Your case is a fine example: Although both of your processors have two cores and their clock rates are almost identical, the i3 is three times faster than the D945  (http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/425/Intel_Core_i3_i3-4150_vs_Intel_Pentium_D_945.html). When speaking about component generations, there's always more than one factor telling the performance.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: PR3D4TOR on July 27, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Benchmarking is really the only way to tell how a GPU or CPU will perform in games (and other software). Tom's Hardware has very nice interactive charts that let you compare how various GFX cards perform in games.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/benchmarks,186.html
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 27, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Tom's Hardware never met Hitech.

I found one thing that will increase FPS but, may not stay stable for very long when flying around in the environment. Over clocking a video card can end up only getting you a few FPS after you keep dialing back the numbers due to your card popping after about 5-10 minutes of game playing.

I increased my clock speeds of my 1G GDDR5 card to the following and got a 10 FPS increase sitting on the runway.

My cards defaults out of the box.

GPU 900 Mhz
Mem 1250 Mhz
BW - 80.0 Gbyte sec.

AH2 Speeds

GPU 910 Mhz
Mem 1275 Mhz
BW - 83.2 Gbyte sec

10 FPS Increase Numbers

GPU 910 Mhz <--- 910 seems to be the max or the card pops in 10 minutes.
Mem 1330 Mhz
BW - 84.9 Gbyte sec

I can get the Band Width up to 85.2 Gbyte sec but, can only play for about 10 minutes before the card pops and I have to Ctrl_Alt_Del out of the game. Nice FPS but, the card will not stay stable.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: PR3D4TOR on July 28, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Tom's Hardware never met Hitech.

For people wanting to upgrade, Tom's Hardware's lists helps in comparing relative performance between cards. I thought this was obvious.

Also over clocking your GPU without an aftermarket cooler is a good way to fry it.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 28, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
I know AMD comes with overclocking in the CCC, haven't looked at NVIDIA in a while.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: MADe on July 28, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
Nvidia does provide for OC'ing.

I use MSI afterburner to OC, stock cooling, cards in service like this for years.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 28, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Nvidia does provide for OC'ing.

I use MSI afterburner to OC, stock cooling, cards in service like this for years.

EVGA also offers their Precision program, the newest being Precision16 (as far as I know) and it offers a lot of tools to OC, adjust power and adjust cooling. However like I mentioned earlier, the processor needs to be able to hand off data to the card as quickly as possible. In my case I'm unable to do any overclocking because I get an immediate crash.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 28, 2015, 01:18:36 PM
I guess that since everyone else is weighing in on this, I will as well.

My personal computer has a very old processor; an Intel Pentium D 945, but a very powerful graphics card; an EVGA GTX 760 4GB Superclocked. I get between 20 and 30 frames per second when in the alpha, I can get up to 45 with everything off.

My other computer has an Intel i3-4150 and a Gigabyte GTX 750 2GB, I get between 55 and 60 FPS with the default settings.

This has lead me to believe that it's not just an issue of bigger graphics cards, you should have a CPU that can work well with the graphics cards.

You are correct in this case. Here is a comparison between my E8500 Core Duo and your D 945.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/518/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E8500_vs_Intel_Pentium_D_945.html

Still I was running the closed alpha on a P4 3.0Ghz, GTX 9800 512 and XP sp3.

Until Hitech begins working on the final playability adjustments, the alpha code is here to beat up our machines and help Hitech finish up his product.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chilli on July 28, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
EVGA also offers their Precision program, the newest being Precision16 (as far as I know) and it offers a lot of tools to OC, adjust power and adjust cooling. However like I mentioned earlier, the processor needs to be able to hand off data to the card as quickly as possible. In my case I'm unable to do any overclocking because I get an immediate crash.

Maybe this is why
Quote
EVGA GTX 760 4GB Superclocked
  The card may already be OC by the manufacturer.   I have no real knowledge of this card and the link that I have for comparisons is probably as old as my card and doesn't include it.  I am sure that Nvidia or EVGA sites do have that info handy if I run across it I will post the link.

If I am reading you correctly, you are simply stating that an out dated CPU could also be a bottleneck and recommendations in that area would also be helpful.  Your comparison made that point, but as the OP seemed to think, his computer plays AH2 great but is junk for Alpha. 

Since Cashew hasn't posted his computer specs here, I sure hope he has someone working with him, because I am not buying into the sky is falling.  Cashew, Bustr left a link on how to do a dxdiag and you can attach it here by clicking on the + (attachments and other options) at the bottom the text box when you are replying or making a new post.

The dxdiag is just as simple to do. 

Go to "run" (usually find this from right clicking on the windows icon or startup)  scroll down until you see the word run and click on it

A text box will appear.  Simply type [    dxdiag    ]  brackets not included, and hit enter

Let the dxdiag do its thing and then click save all information, it will prompt you where you want to save it (save it to desktop for easy retrieval)

Then post here with a reply or in a new post by, doing as I said above click + Attachments, then browse, and select the file you saved on your desktop for example and click save or okay.  When you see the name and location of the file in the box under Attachments, then just post.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 28, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
Maybe this is why   The card may already be OC by the manufacturer.   I have no real knowledge of this card and the link that I have for comparisons is probably as old as my card and doesn't include it.  I am sure that Nvidia or EVGA sites do have that info handy if I run across it I will post the link.

If I am reading you correctly, you are simply stating that an out dated CPU could also be a bottleneck and recommendations in that area would also be helpful.  Your comparison made that point, but as the OP seemed to think, his computer plays AH2 great but is junk for Alpha. 

Since Cashew hasn't posted his computer specs here, I sure hope he has someone working with him, because I am not buying into the sky is falling.  Cashew, Bustr left a link on how to do a dxdiag and you can attach it here by clicking on the + (attachments and other options) at the bottom the text box when you are replying or making a new post.

The dxdiag is just as simple to do. 

Go to "run" (usually find this from right clicking on the windows icon or startup)  scroll down until you see the word run and click on it

A text box will appear.  Simply type [    dxdiag    ]  brackets not included, and hit enter

Let the dxdiag do its thing and then click save all information, it will prompt you where you want to save it (save it to desktop for easy retrieval)

Then post here with a reply or in a new post by, doing as I said above click + Attachments, then browse, and select the file you saved on your desktop for example and click save or okay.  When you see the name and location of the file in the box under Attachments, then just post.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Bizman on July 28, 2015, 02:08:10 PM
Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: CASHEW on July 28, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics. 'Nuff said.
I'm not here to be bashed on. I just said that ah2 works GREAT with full settings. So I was surprised the alpha was such a jump.   
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Dragon Tamer on July 28, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
If I am reading you correctly, you are simply stating that an out dated CPU could also be a bottleneck and recommendations in that area would also be helpful.  Your comparison made that point, but as the OP seemed to think, his computer plays AH2 great but is junk for Alpha. 

I don't have a real suggestion for a CPU right now since I don't have access to a large number of them. All I can say is that right now, the i3 is better than the D 945.

I do have an AMD motherboard and processor in another one of my computers that isn't even able to load up the the current game, let alone the alpha. However the benchmarks for that CPU are higher than the D 945 so I was going to drop my 760 into it and see if I can get something going. I'll post the results from that once I finally have the time to do it.

In any case, I had plans of replacing the CPU and motherboard on the current system to bring it up to current standards. I'll probably re-purpose the old ones and sell it as an HTPC or low end browsing computer or something...

As it's been said before though, things are subject to change so it may turn out that a lower end CPU like the AMD and D 945 my be able to run it decently in the future.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: pembquist on July 28, 2015, 03:02:45 PM
I attach a DXDIAG from my dinking around AH2 computer. It's toast for the alpha but does ok enough for AH2 for me. My question is about buying a new video card for it. I am under the impression that nobody can know for sure what will work well with the new version although it sounds like Nvidia might be less desireable? What I'd like some advice on is if a new sub 200 dollar card would be just a waste of money as far as running the new version goes and what card i should get. (assuming the cpu/mobo might have to be replaced in the future, though it sounds like its all about the card.) I ain't no video gamer so the prospect of having to shell out a grand for a new box might be a bridge too far. As it is alpha gets 7fps in the tower by the time you overcome the mouse lag to turn everything down and off. AH2 gets 60 with detail and 4 miles on the sliders no boxes checked and only detailed water checked on the advanced page. No antialiasing, 1680 x 1050. Thanks for any help.

Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 28, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
1. - Caldera's PC: Hewlett-Packard 500-147c
2. - From it's specifications page at HP:
 
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD Integrated graphics
*Integrated video is not available if a graphics card or an Intel processor ending with “P” is installed.
•A processor that supports graphics is required for integrated graphics to be enabled.
•Integrated graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD (DX10.1)
•Either integrated graphics or the PCI Express x16 slot are usable at one time; they are not usable concurrently.
•Use of both DVI ports at the same time is supported.

3. - Caldera's CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330S CPU @ 2.70GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz

This is probably his CPU: http://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?CPUID=45696

4. - Here is his system board: Joshua-H61-uATX (Joshua)

5. - Expansion slot available:

•1 PCI Express x16 (Gen2.0)

•3 PCI Express x1 (Gen2.0)

•1 PCI Express Mini Card x1


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Go here to see full specs on most CPU: http://www.cpu-world.com/index.html
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 28, 2015, 03:30:58 PM
I attach a DXDIAG from my dinking around AH2 computer. It's toast for the alpha but does ok enough for AH2 for me. My question is about buying a new video card for it. I am under the impression that nobody can know for sure what will work well with the new version although it sounds like Nvidia might be less desireable? What I'd like some advice on is if a new sub 200 dollar card would be just a waste of money as far as running the new version goes and what card i should get. (assuming the cpu/mobo might have to be replaced in the future, though it sounds like its all about the card.) I ain't no video gamer so the prospect of having to shell out a grand for a new box might be a bridge too far. As it is alpha gets 7fps in the tower by the time you overcome the mouse lag to turn everything down and off. AH2 gets 60 with detail and 4 miles on the sliders no boxes checked and only detailed water checked on the advanced page. No antialiasing, 1680 x 1050. Thanks for any help.

No one knows the answer to that question yet. The current code is not optimized for playing. Just beating up your system to help Hitech find bugs and development.

My video card has 1G GDDR5 RAM, 128bit data paths and a Band Width of 80Gbyte sec. In the current environment I get 30FPS sitting on the runway and 40-47 flying around below 5000ft with the defaults turned on in 1024 Mode.

ATI or NVIDIA is not the issue. I suspect it will come down to GDDR3 versus GDDR5 video RAM. You will be able to play with GDDR3 but, GDDR5 will probably allow you to turn on more things as your Band Width becomes higher than 80Gbyte sec.

Waiting for Hitech to announce he is at the optimizing game play stage will be more helpful for making future plans.
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If you want to look at a spread sheet format of quite a number of video cards. Scroll down to the section with HD6450 to HD6670. It specifies GDDR3 or GDDR5 and look at the difference between the two same cards band width.

Memory, Data Paths, and Band Width: http://www.gpureview.com/videocards.php
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: rvflyer on July 28, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
I attach a DXDIAG from my dinking around AH2 computer. It's toast for the alpha but does ok enough for AH2 for me. My question is about buying a new video card for it. I am under the impression that nobody can know for sure what will work well with the new version although it sounds like Nvidia might be less desireable? What I'd like some advice on is if a new sub 200 dollar card would be just a waste of money as far as running the new version goes and what card i should get. (assuming the cpu/mobo might have to be replaced in the future, though it sounds like its all about the card.) I ain't no video gamer so the prospect of having to shell out a grand for a new box might be a bridge too far. As it is alpha gets 7fps in the tower by the time you overcome the mouse lag to turn everything down and off. AH2 gets 60 with detail and 4 miles on the sliders no boxes checked and only detailed water checked on the advanced page. No antialiasing, 1680 x 1050. Thanks for any help.

Why is Nvidia less desirable? I can run everything full detail high resolution on a Nvidia GTS 780ti, works great
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: pembquist on July 28, 2015, 05:07:20 PM
Why is Nvidia less desirable? I can run everything full detail high resolution on a Nvidia GTS 780ti, works great

Don't misunderstand I'm not saying it IS less desireable just that to a know nothing reading the top of page 2 of this thread it sounds like there is some draw back. Quoted:

"As far as SLI goes, do not expect it to do much of anything for the game.  The current Aces High SLI profile,  supplied by NVidia, is for Aces High I.  It's not even optimized for Aces High 2.  NVidia has been slow to supply SLI profiles for many games.  Getting them to update the SLI profile for Aces High is going to be tough.

And yes, NVidia has to supply the profile."
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: bustr on July 28, 2015, 05:11:21 PM
We no longer have fist fights about our Chevy or Ford we run street 1\4 miles with. Now we take umbrage at any dissing of our PC......... she's real fine my 409, 409, 409.... :O

My PC can CoD your PC and make you cry like a little girl online..... :noid

Build your own profile and try and make it work. Talk to Chalenge.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: pembquist on July 28, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
Just added the dxdiag i forgot to attach to the original post. I see all the cards and am overwhelmed.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Chalenge on July 28, 2015, 05:48:08 PM
Your video card is less powerful than the minimum HTC is shooting for in the alpha.

I gave up on your MB as a system four form factors ago, so I am not sure where to tell you to make improvements other than the GPU.

EDIT: The older version (AHII) focused on the CPU from what Skuzzy has said recently. So, it used to be that SLI only improved things when it came to crunching the larger textures (discovered through experimentation rather than technical knowledge).

AHIII will focus more on the GPU, which means that SLI may provide greater scaling. I say "may," because we still do not have the final version. As far as the Alpha version of AHIII is concerned it does take individual configuration on the user's part to get the best performance, On 4k I get something like 30% scaling, but if I fall back to 1440p I can push scaling up to 90-100% (it still varies). My tests have been on a multiplexing bus, which I will be changing out tomorrow to test the X99 SLI scaling in the Alpha version.

Right now if you were to ask me for a GPU suggestion I would recommend the GTX 970, GTX 980, or the 980Ti, but those are only recommendations that focus on long term usage. If you need something to get you through the holidays I might say something else.
Title: Re: New system unable
Post by: Bizman on July 29, 2015, 01:28:28 AM
I'm not here to be bashed on. I just said that ah2 works GREAT with full settings. So I was surprised the alpha was such a jump.
Sorry, didn't mean to be rude. Although it doesn't justify my action, this question has been asked and answered multiple times almost every day now.

Here's a more polite answer to your question: The alpha is much more dependent on the graphics chip than AH2. Also Intel video chips have known issues with AH, causing icons to show as grey boxes although the FPS may be good etc.

Again, sorry.  :salute