Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Open Beta Test => Topic started by: BFX88 on January 16, 2016, 01:41:45 AM
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I just tried Aces High III and noticed several things which made me not want to peruse the game further. First the views from inside the cockpit of any fighter aircraft all have the wrong perspective when compared to Aces High II. It's as if I'm wearing magnifying goggles and the wind screen and all of the instruments are all right in my face. I feel that I'm looking out from inside a goldfish bowl and that's from every angle, which is not the case in Aces High II. Secondly, the outside environment (i.e., land, trees, airfield, everything) exhibits a strange greenish yellow hugh; with Aces High II, this is not the case either. These two items seem to combine to make everything seem to be cartoonish and unrealistic and playing the game gave me a headache! It does appear that many of the games features have substantially improved, however, I can't get past these two graphics issues.
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Bluntly, get online and see if anyone will be kind enough to walk you through the settings changes you need to make. Otherwise you have a lot of reading to do when you come to the party this late.
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Both AH II and AH III have an option to set the FOV to whatever angle the player wants it. To access this click on "video settings" on the initial clipboard before you go online or offline, this brings up the "Select Video Card" window. In here there is a box showing the current FOV for the game, so all you have to do is set the beta's FOV to match whatever you are using in AH II and you will be good to go.
You might also experiment with disabling post lighting or adjusting the gamma slider in the game.
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I agree with the OP.
I posted up a pic of my view of the left interior of a P51. Green fluorescent!!
The ground and map were the same. Everything was very very flouro and over saturated.
With all respect to the responders - in particular BFX88......BLUNTLY - if you present this to the wider public they will laugh at the game. IMO the 'settings changes you need to make' should be made at a global level. Certainly a subscriber should NOT be told 'Otherwise you have a lot of reading to do when you come to the party this late'.
With all due respect they will tell you where to stick your $15 a month.
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I agree with the OP.
I posted up a pic of my view of the left interior of a P51. Green fluorescent!!
The ground and map were the same. Everything was very very flouro and over saturated.
With all respect to the responders - in particular BFX88......BLUNTLY - if you present this to the wider public they will laugh at the game. IMO the 'settings changes you need to make' should be made at a global level. Certainly a subscriber should NOT be told 'Otherwise you have a lot of reading to do when you come to the party this late'.
With all due respect they will tell you where to stick your $15 a month.
You do understand this is a program you are testing for the developer, right? It's not the finished product. This forum you are in is Open Beta Test. This is the part where you post solid feedback on issues you have found in the beta program so the developers can fix it. A subscriber in this forum does have a lot of reading to do if they want to help with the feedback of the Beta program.
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Expect more posts like this. The message saying to try out the beta just started popping up when getting into an arena.
MANY payers do not read the forums and that message could be the first talk of ah3 for many.
I was loosely following the alpha/beta thread and thought the same when I logged into the alpha/beta. "Guys who have not been following the alpha thread are going to hate this new view thing, as well as wonder why the old planes have not been updated."
Imagine the guy who comes in to fly the f4f because his great uncle flew one in the war, and then they see a plane with no stick and old graphics.
I get where the OP is coming from. Perception is reality
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well its better to get some feedback than none, right?
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BFX check to see what is controlling your display color contrast, and brightness. Is it your video card or the display?
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Since my last post where I give my opinion on first view of the game, I've received a lot of defensive feedback from the games developers. Look, I've been playing this game off and on since it was called Air Warriors, what attracted me to the game in the first place was its Dynamite Graphics which no other flight sim can really compare to. From a purely graphics standpoint, all I can say is that it would be obvious to even the most casual observer, that the two games aren't even comparable. From all of this defensiveness that I've been getting, I must assume that the games original developers are nowhere to be found; hence all of these wrong draw distances, camera views, and funny colors which really can't be fixed by the user as the developers imply.
Look developers, it's not rocket science, figure out how you did it in aces high II and copy that! The other new features such as the new look and feel of the airfields, the player interfaces, etc. are great. With that said, I now suppose now I'll be deluged with a tirade of negativity implying that I'm an idiot. Sorry, but the game is what it is!
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Change your FOV from 80 to 106 in video settings.
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Expect more posts like this. The message saying to try out the beta just started popping up when getting into an arena.
MANY payers do not read the forums and that message could be the first talk of ah3 for many.
I was loosely following the alpha/beta thread and thought the same when I logged into the alpha/beta. "Guys who have not been following the alpha thread are going to hate this new view thing, as well as wonder why the old planes have not been updated."
Imagine the guy who comes in to fly the f4f because his great uncle flew one in the war, and then they see a plane with no stick and old graphics.
I get where the OP is coming from. Perception is reality
Good point BuckShot, but for the next couple of months, we're going to see the same questions over and over and over. Current players are going to expect the MAs and be completely lost. And much like the first time someone logs into the game, until they talk with people that has been through this for awhile, they won't know to change FOV or head position views or graphic settings...
Maybe someone can write a post "New to Beta - Read this" and it can be stickied. You know, include Skuzzy's list of which settings can transfer, how to change the FOV and make the beta look like AH2.
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Change your FOV from 80 to 106 in video settings.
Thank you this was the first piece of information that actually helped. But my FR still needs help.
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Good point BuckShot, but for the next couple of months, we're going to see the same questions over and over and over. Current players are going to expect the MAs and be completely lost. And much like the first time someone logs into the game, until they talk with people that has been through this for awhile, they won't know to change FOV or head position views or graphic settings...
Maybe someone can write a post "New to Beta - Read this" and it can be stickied. You know, include Skuzzy's list of which settings can transfer, how to change the FOV and make the beta look like AH2.
I fall into the "I just play the silly game." I'm not computer literate like say a seasoned gamer. A nice sticky with a Youtube video on how to set things up would be something I'd like to see.
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Since my last post where I give my opinion on first view of the game, I've received a lot of defensive feedback from the games developers.
Utter BS you have not receive any feed back let alone "Defensive" from the game developers.
I would strongly suggest your drop the attitude. Simply post your views and not be argumentative with people and make threatening statements like "With all due respect they will tell you where to stick your $15 a month." In reality the only thing your have stated is you like most stuff but think the colors are to saturated. Your FOV issue you can change as you like.
HiTech
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Thank you this was the first piece of information that actually helped. But my FR still needs help.
Frame rate will be better with the 80 FOV and the planes you shoot at will be bigger.
Make sure environmental map is set to none and disable all the options in clipboard/graphic detail.
In video settings try a smaller memory setting.
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Since my last post where I give my opinion on first view of the game, I've received a lot of defensive feedback from the games developers.
I have yet to see a reply in this thread from anyone at HTC, so your statement is incorrect.
EDIT: got ninja'd by Hitech himself.
What you got was a response in the same tone as your OP. Come in with constructive criticism or questions, and you won't see so many "defensive" replies.
The default FOV is now the same as the other popular flight sims. As was already pointed out, you can easily change it to match what you're used to.
The colors are calculated based on Sun position, altitude, and other stuff. There are settings to change some of the way lighting is applied.
Since this is a Beta, you are not required to participate, but if you choose to, people would take you more serious if you actually conduct yourself in a more mature manner instead of popping off with insults and confrontational rants.
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I think this posting is dead on accurate. Hopefully AH is aware of how significant this is and moves to address the general color scheme and SA issues.
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When AH1 was being phased out and the new AH2 was just upon us, much of what is being doomed and gloomed here happened then. When the last major graphics update to AH2 happened, all of this deja vu'd over again.
Each time when the update went live, turned out Hitech had not performed final tweeks while the Betas were in progress to help himself with player input to fix code problems, and see trends that would effect the most players in the worst ways. By the full release, he performed final tweeks and we all survived.
I've been here with the alpha and now beta since day 1, August 2014. Until this thing goes live, nothing is chiseled in stone. Hitech has been changing things all the time for 91 alpha code releases. Why is this testing any different then the 92 before this one?
Getting together in a post and agreeing with each other as a coalition front to Hitech has no baring on reporting problems with the beta code. If that actually worked, Waffle would have already changed the forward structural view of the P47-D11 because it is inaccurate as heck.
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Utter BS you have not receive any feed back let alone "Defensive" from the game developers.
I would strongly suggest your drop the attitude. Simply post your views and not be argumentative with people and make threatening statements like "With all due respect they will tell you where to stick your $15 a month." In reality the only thing your have stated is you like most stuff but think the colors are to saturated. Your FOV issue you can change as you like.
HiTech
Was just going to say the same thing....
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Since my last post where I give my opinion on first view of the game, I've received a lot of defensive feedback from the games developers. Look, I've been playing this game off and on since it was called Air Warriors, what attracted me to the game in the first place was its Dynamite Graphics which no other flight sim can really compare to. From a purely graphics standpoint, all I can say is that it would be obvious to even the most casual observer, that the two games aren't even comparable. From all of this defensiveness that I've been getting, I must assume that the games original developers are nowhere to be found; hence all of these wrong draw distances, camera views, and funny colors which really can't be fixed by the user as the developers imply.
Look developers, it's not rocket science, figure out how you did it in aces high II and copy that! The other new features such as the new look and feel of the airfields, the player interfaces, etc. are great. With that said, I now suppose now I'll be deluged with a tirade of negativity implying that I'm an idiot. Sorry, but the game is what it is!
This game was NEVER called Air Warriors, its "developers" use to play that game however and decided they could do it better, and so did.
The game must change and evolve. Look at the graphics of other games. AH2 was a bit dated and they have worked hard to update them along with a number of other things in the game.
No point in coming in here with an attitude. Give your opinion of the beta and move on.
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Was just going to say the same thing....
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Ditto, but I bit my tongue. No, I literally bit my tongue.
Maybe he is confusing us with another game or another development team.
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hmmm, most of the whining is coming from newbies?? Could competitors be trying to sabatoge the new version??? :bolt:
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It could be they have a gamer perspective versus looking at this a huge SIMM with it's trade offs. Consider we get to see much father distance wise with more objects to render due to that farther distance than the usual game. Many games combat arena would fit into one of our sectors. There will be trade offs to accomplish our world. They want the other worlds with all of our world's numbers benefits. In that case DCS would have maps as huge as ours with the ability to host 600 players in real time.
As is AH3 is a really excellent presentation of both worlds combined.
Yeah and I did wonder if some of these complaints aren't paid shills.
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Well all kidding aside, I would hope that every one is trying to be constructive and barring some blatant example, I would read all that way. :)
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I find it hard to believe you have been playing off and on since AW as you seem to no nothing about the developers of the game
Since my last post where I give my opinion on first view of the game, I've received a lot of defensive feedback from the games developers. Look, I've been playing this game off and on since it was called Air Warriors, what attracted me to the game in the first place was its Dynamite Graphics which no other flight sim can really compare to. From a purely graphics standpoint, all I can say is that it would be obvious to even the most casual observer, that the two games aren't even comparable. From all of this defensiveness that I've been getting, I must assume that the games original developers are nowhere to be found; hence all of these wrong draw distances, camera views, and funny colors which really can't be fixed by the user as the developers imply.
Look developers, it's not rocket science, figure out how you did it in aces high II and copy that! The other new features such as the new look and feel of the airfields, the player interfaces, etc. are great. With that said, I now suppose now I'll be deluged with a tirade of negativity implying that I'm an idiot. Sorry, but the game is what it is!
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BFX check to see what is controlling your display color contrast, and brightness. Is it your video card or the display?
Randy, where would I go to check this? That could be the solution to some of my problems as well. Thanks
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Let's be honest as well. The Beta is very very vibrant when it comes to colour. I am sure that will get toned down in time but at the moment it is pretty saturated.
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Fess,
Beta is the exact opposite of what you describe. I the terrains and skies are either washed out or too dark, depending upon my placement of the gama slider alone.
We have had many discussions along these lines before hand, so I can tell you that not everyone's computer settings are the same. Bustr seemed to be seeing psychedelic colors, whenever I posted anything that looked realistic to me.
The good news is that everyone CAN adjust their settings with a little direction. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377136.msg5022877.html#msg5022877 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377136.msg5022877.html#msg5022877)
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Fess,
Beta is the exact opposite of what you describe. I the terrains and skies are either washed out or too dark, depending upon my placement of the gama slider alone.
We have had many discussions along these lines before hand, so I can tell you that not everyone's computer settings are the same. Bustr seemed to be seeing psychedelic colors, whenever I posted anything that looked realistic to me.
The good news is that everyone CAN adjust their settings with a little direction. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377136.msg5022877.html#msg5022877 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377136.msg5022877.html#msg5022877)
Thanks Chilli. Without wishing to appear argumentative...Beta is the exact opposite of what you describe..sir...YOUR experience of beta may be the exact opposite of what I described. My experience is it is like a trip back to the 70's with copious amounts of drugs on top. I am not saying it cannot be managed but at the same time we should not jump on a guy for expressing his views.
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Actually, no one can gripe about color unless they have a commitment to color correction. I bet there are no more than five, and probably only two color calibration tools in all of Aces High.
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Fess,
I saw nothing outrageous about your posts. On the other hand, others that spend a hot minute in the mission arena and declare that EVERYTHING in beta is wrong.... I think they could use a hand :ahand
You for instance, are expressing an opinion on the saturation in colors. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I was able to discuss this with HiTech himself in very early alpha testing, but expressing the opposing opinion. I was pleased to finally see some "real" world colors. I didn't base that on AH2 or any other game graphics, but rather from satellite images and videos. When I compare beta to these real world examples, they either match or they don't (examples of both are true).
Now, as far as being too rough on posters throwing tantrums with very little effort on their own to search for answers, but who rather level accusations (mostly false), I think that I have actually been "kind" :cool: But that doesn't stop the myths or rumors that spread fear and distrust instead of faith in the final version.
Challenge,
Amen to that.
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Actually, no one can gripe about color unless they have a commitment to color correction. I bet there are no more than five, and probably only two color calibration tools in all of Aces High.
My hobby is photography. I can assure you my monitors are all calibrated :) Having said that I am slightly red green colour blind so I rely on my histograms and calibration to help me not oversaturate my images.
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I did notice in the f4u's when you zoom it does not align with gun site. In a 190d the zoom is perfectly aligned. I tried 100 fov and 120 both the same. Anything I'm doing wrong? :frown:
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I did notice in the f4u's when you zoom it does not align with gun site. In a 190d the zoom is perfectly aligned. I tried 100 fov and 120 both the same. Anything I'm doing wrong? :frown:
Each plane is set that way in the new default views.
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Each plane is set that way in the new default views.
How do I adjust it? I can't look around with mouse?
edit , OK got it looked at another thred pushed home key in zoom. :aok
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Slate,
HiTech took the preferences of players into consideration and made the AH2 default position available with a simple click of the home key.
But for custom adustments you can use F8 mode and number pad. Or, there is a mouse look toggle command that you can map to keyboard, joystick or mouse. I use that mouse look toggle switch to activate and then I can align the head tilt with my mouse.
I set all of my forward views (mostly all) with head lifted, zoomed in and then tilted to line up bullet tracers with my gunsight reticule. Then, as I zoom out the sights stay in alignment with where I want to see bullet streams.