General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Gman on August 02, 2016, 06:20:52 PM
Title: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Gman on August 02, 2016, 06:20:52 PM
USS Thach, named after the creator of the "Thach Weave", was sunk in a sinkex at RIMPAC this year. Over 5000lbs of explosive weapons were shot at her. First a Harpoon, then a few SM2s in surface attack mode, some bombs, another Harpoon, and finally a torp shot.
Thach took 12 hours to finally sink. Tough ships, those Perry class, of course, no fire due to no combustibles on board, and fire is what often kills ships, but still...I doubt a new "LCS Frigate" would take one SM2 much less all of that without going glubglub.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Ramesis on August 03, 2016, 01:44:20 PM
Well at least she died honorably rather than DD757 (Putnam) that I speent 6 mos on :salute Ram
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: EskimoJoe on August 03, 2016, 03:18:39 PM
Wow, that hit on the bow was HUGE. I assume that was the torpedo?
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Nefarious on August 06, 2016, 05:11:46 PM
I'm curious though if she could keep fighting after the first hit though. Surely, a well placed hit ASM could easily destroy the bridge and all the command. The ship might limp away but in a major naval engagement she might not have a chance.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Gman on August 07, 2016, 01:06:06 AM
Ya I think the takeaway is that that first Harpoon hit would have possibly ended combat ops - but maybe not, the tail/sonar may still have been working, as was the gun mount, maybe - who knows. Certainly with combustables and a lot of fuel on board, fire becomes the big issue, and we don't have that here, but just to see these old Figs take SO, SO many hits and structurally float for 12 hours shows how much the DOD cared about protecting sailors. Unlike now with the LCS, which if it takes ANY missile hit, even a dinky SM2SAM in anti ship mode, will blow apart like a car model with an m80 inside of it. Booo.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: pipz on August 10, 2016, 07:13:52 PM
You guys remember when the USS Stark was hit?
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Mister Fork on August 11, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.
Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores. :old:
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.
Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores. :old:
Considering how we use Learjets from contract companies for aerial work, it actually wouldn't surprise me much at all.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: BuckShot on August 11, 2016, 01:45:16 PM
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.
Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores. :old:
They paid a French company to mod the bizjet
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: DaveBB on August 12, 2016, 03:50:38 PM
I don't want to get into conspiracy theories here, but let me weigh in the USS Liberty. The most logical reason I have found for the Israelis to have attacked it is due to it compromising Israeli security. How is this possible? The Soviets were able to intercept and decode the encrypted information sent by the USS Liberty. So in essence, it was giving away Israeli positions, albeit inadvertently.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: SIM on August 13, 2016, 10:25:06 AM
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.
I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Zoney on August 13, 2016, 11:48:37 AM
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.
I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........
I would like to "understand that comment".
Please, would you kindly educate me and share what that means sir?
<S> STG2 Steve Erwin
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Serenity on August 13, 2016, 05:54:41 PM
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.
I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........
See my sig for my background.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Brooke on August 19, 2016, 02:00:14 AM
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Gman on August 19, 2016, 02:42:20 AM
Looking at the Stark, and the other Perry class which hit a mine, I guess it shouldn't surprise that Thach took such a beating and kept floating. Again, obviously no combustibles and especially munition/fuel on board which would cause a fire - and fire sank a lot of ships in the Falklands, the last time there was a real test of modern(ish) naval ships in combat. However it was almost ridiculous what Thach absorbed - so many bombs, as well as SSM missiles, SM2 which have a dual role anti surface capability too, and then, most surprising, that torpedo hit, which has a warhead not much smaller than the Mk48. Last Rimpac one of our Canadian subs took a Mk48 shot at a much, much larger ship, nearly 3x the displacement of Thach, and broke it in two, and it sink in minutes, it seemed like an eyeblink on the video, and both halves of the ship were under water.
The primary criticism of the LCS program based on all the articles I've read isn't armament, which is still an issue and they have been adding a lot of firepower to try and do something about hits - it's been the ability to absorb damage that's been criticized the most. It has the lowest grade in hull/defensive rating. Not even do they reach level 1, where as the Perry class were OPNAVINST 9070.1 Level II standard. Also, the Perry class had many times the number of crew to help with damage control, there could be as few as 50 sailors on an LCS, and really a max of just under 1000 if they have an aviation and full special mission crew loadout -not a lot of bodies to work damage control.
That Level II standard is mighty impressive IMO. Perry class - Very.Tough.Ship.
Title: Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
Post by: Gman on September 18, 2016, 11:22:59 AM
Thach took more hits than was first reported on - Four Harpoon hits, at least 2 (likely more, it isn't specific) Hellfire hits, a Maverick missile, a 2000lb JDAM, a 500lb Paveway, and to top it off a MK48 torpedo. And Thach still took 12 hours to go under.
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On July 14, 2016, USS Thach took over 12 hours to sink after being used in a live-fire, SINKEX during naval exercise RIMPAC 2016. During the exercise, the ship was directly or indirectly hit with the following ordinance: a Harpoon missile from a South Korean submarine, another Harpoon missile from the Australian frigate HMAS Ballarat, a Hellfire missile from an Australian SH-60S helicopter, another Harpoon missile and a Maverick missile from US maritime patrol aircraft, another Harpoon missile from the cruiser USS Princeton, additional Hellfire missiles from an American SH-60S Navy helicopter, a 2,000-pound Mark 84 bomb from a US Navy F/A-18 Hornet, a GBU-12 Paveway laser-guided 500-pound bomb from a US Air Force B-52 bomber, and a Mark 48 torpedo from an unnamed US Navy submarine