Aces High Bulletin Board
Special Events Forums => Combat Challenge Series => Topic started by: Nefarious on January 07, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
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There will be a change in the 2017 scoring for squads. Here is the list of leaderboards that will be recorded in 2017.
Last challenge in 2015, There was discussion about leveling the playing field for all sized squads and we have implemented that change into the scoring. It will average the kills over your entire squad. You must have a minimum of 4 pilots per challenge to compete in this scoring category.
These will be the categories in 2017.
OVERALL, ALLIED, AND AXIS PILOT POINTS
OVERALL, ALLIED, AND AXIS PILOT KILLS
ALLIED SQUAD KILLS PER PILOT
AXIS SQUAD KILLS PER PILOT
OVERALL PILOT KILLS TO DEATHS
OVERALL SQUAD KILLS TO DEATHS
OVERALL BEST LANDED SORTIE
Pilot awards will be 1,000 Perks for First, 500 for Second and 250 for Third.
Squad Awards will be awarded by player - 100 Perks per pilot for First, 50 for Second and 25 for third.
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I am curious about the squad scoring changes. What is to stop 4 crack sticks from forming their own squad for the sole purpose of cleaning up?
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I am curious about the squad scoring changes. What is to stop 4 crack sticks from forming their own squad for the sole purpose of cleaning up?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...interesting.
If there is a need, maybe only FSO squads and the normal members in those squads should be counted. I'm not sure what you suggest could happen would actually be a problem however.
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They would have to be a registered squad in FSO. If they do that .... NOTHING would stop them. But get those "4 crack sticks" to agree to join a squad.... Together and NOT shoot each other :rofl
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They would have to be a registered squad in FSO. If they do that .... NOTHING would stop them. But get those "4 crack sticks" to agree to join a squad.... Together and NOT shoot each other :rofl
Not true. Combat challenge has nothing to do with FSO.
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What keeps a larger squad from splitting into 2 or 3 four man squads just for purposes of cleaning up...
So by averaging if I field 8 guys and have 125 kills 8/125=15.6 for my squad kill total????
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What keeps a larger squad from splitting into 2 or 3 four man squads just for purposes of cleaning up...
So by averaging if I field 8 guys and have 125 kills 8/125=15.6 for my squad kill total????
Then I suppose the question might be, "Should it?".
Respectfully sir :salute
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The idea is to allow squads of all sizes to compete in the squad competition fairly. The first two competitions certainly favored larger squads like the AKs, JG11 and the Unforgiven.
I also had the idea of eliminating the squad challenge completely, making it solely a pilots competition.
I also had the idea of making it a 4 pilot challenge only. But that's kind of unfair to large squads that want to participate in their entirety.
One thing I don't really want do is open more scoring categories, but I guess we could have an overall category and squad kills per pilot, however the odds of a squad winning both is pretty good.
It's pretty simple either way. Shoot down bad guys. :)
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You are doing a great job with it Nef. My opinion and suggestion is without merit.
Focusing on score never comes out well, it's the fun and the fight that counts, and of those two things, there is plenty.
I'm really enjoying playing it.
"Squad Challenge", ranks right up there with the "FSO". Completely different and yet the same. Grab your squaddies, work as a team, have some great fights and a lot of fun!
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Nef,
I hope this makes sense.
Why can we not have several categories by squad size then by Axis or Allied?
Squad Sizes:
4 - 6 Axis
4 - 6 Allied
7 - 11 Axis
7 - 11 Allied
12 - 21 Axis
12 - 21 Allied
You register your squad at the beginning of the year for one category. You have essentially committed to that number for the year. Example, you register the Blue Barons in the 7 - 10 category Axis for the year. You may participate in any category, on either side, but lack of consistency will kill your score.
Now, events conspire to shrink your squad size for several months.
Cumulative score would only count in the category that your squad has the numbers for and participates in. If you fly 7 - 10 for 6 months Axis and then fly 4 - 6 for the remaining 6 months Allied, your scoring would only apply to the categories that you had the numbers for and participated in; no carry over. No splitting number as well. If the majority of your squad is flying Axis and a few are fly Allied, then Allied score will not count in the category that will be scored. Those guys are flying for nothing. A split where half are Axis and half are Allied would not be scored at all.
If a squad manages to maintain their numbers and not go over for the year then it is more likely that their cumulative overall score will be better because they maintained their minimum numbers in that category throughout the year.
Essentially, if you don't keep your minimum number up, you efforts will have been for not in that category. Score is not transferable from one category to the next. If your number decrease, you essentially start over in whatever category you step down to.
Awards would be given based on the categories;
4 - 6 Axis High Score
4 - 6 Allied High Score
7 - 11 Axis High Score
7 - 11 Allied High Score
12 - 21 Axis High Score
12 - 21 Allied High Score
Highest Scoring Squad for 2017
Highest Scoring Axis pilot
Highest Scoring Allied pilot
2nd place Axis
2nd place Allied
3rd place Axis
3rd place Allied
This process is fair to all based on what your squad has committed to for the CC season.
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Is there any interest in using registration numbers like swareiam has brought up? I'm Not really interested in the additional work of placing squads after each challenge in their respective numbers group.
At this point, if I wasn't a CM I would suggest to make it a pilots competition only. I would also suggest expanding the awards in a pilots only competition to say the top 10 pilots of each side.
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I would rather it be a squad furball event...
I am indifferent about registration...
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At this point, if I wasn't a CM I would suggest to make it a pilots competition only. I would also suggest expanding the awards in a pilots only competition to say the top 10 pilots of each side.
This might be interesting. Squads could make the investment to get one or two of their guys in the winning categories by working as a team and making sure not only were they set up for kills, but they got home to land them. You wouldn't have to worry about numbers in the squads and creating so many categories either.
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I would rather it be a squad furball event...
I am indifferent about registration...
Squads would not be eliminated from participating, just not scored as they have been in the past.
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Looking for more input. There were folks that supported the Squad Kills per pilots after the 2015 challenge.
Post your ideas here.
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Don't get me wrong Nef. I truly appreciate the work you are doing for this event. I also love the event, and that there is an award in the end. :salute
I only wanted to bring to light that there is an element that will work to game the system when something is on the line. If I really wanted to make sure the AK's got top honors, I would restrict the squad to only people with very high success rates so we would win, I will not do that. The AK's take all levels of players, it's the people that make being an AK the most fun, not their score at the end of the month.
The squad scoring in CC as it is now, could cause a squad to exclude players because they don't measure up, and in a time where numbers are smaller than they use to be, it's sad really. I just wanted to make this event as inclusive as it can be. That's all...
Let me put this out there. If anyone wishes to fly with the AK's in Combat Challenge, you are welcome to join us. I don't care if you're a 10 year vet, or a 2 weeker.
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That's why I would like to eliminate the squad portion of the scoring completely. That would allow all pilots to compete on a more even level. Yes, it still benefits a player that has more squaddies to protect their six, but that can't be eliminated without switching to a koth like format.
That's the most inclusive you can get IMO. The good news is that squad scores can still be tallied and displayed, just not awarded without a change to the program that records CC records.
I'm going to reconsider this and I am now leaning towards a complete squad scoring elimination. Will think a little more then make an announcement.
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I had a few last night before I found this thread. I am glad I waited to repond. I am surprised that there have been no other posts since then. I will inform my squad to check the tread out.
I did have a change of heart between last night and now. My first inclination was to strongly support squad awards. My boys did well 2 years ago. But today I am for whatever works to keep CC relavent and growing. We can gauge the outcome by opinions expressed, but the best data will come only after implementation.
I do remember the year of no awards and lower numbers. That is definitely not the way to go.
As I cannot currently attend, I wish you all the luck and pray the event is still around when I return.
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Nef,
Please leave this as a squad concentrated event, it is nice filler between FSO's for squads. CC was so much fun for my guys, and they really worked hard in the training arenas before CC so they could perform well. You can't please everyone all of the time so please don't attempt to do it now. The naysayers against scoring these events gripe and complain about everything under the sun that Hitech and the CM's try to do, and it seems like they are winning a lot of arguments these days since we have low numbers. I know everyone wants a trophy, but maybe I am old school, but I think that you should earn it. If a squad feels that they are at a disadvantage due to numbers...recruit or join another squad....if not win the other categories that have no bearing on squad numbers. The Unforgiven will fly this event no matter what, and have nothing but respect for the guys who put it on. So another words Nef do as you see fit.
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Since we are going into this first challenge as a test of the new Terrains and Results Tracker, I am going to display all the results and allow everyone to see the differences.
I think it will help people understand the intent a little better, we'll see tomorrow night! <S>