Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Gman on January 16, 2017, 01:39:59 PM

Title: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on January 16, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
Looks like Strato (Jason from IL2/Rise of Flight) is done now, and a new North America VKB site is up.  Lots of new pics of upcoming gear.

http://vkbcontrollers.com/

The Gunfighter is going to be available in March.  Looks great, has a new gimbal with multiple springs that can be added/removed, and a new friction system for setting tension.  It has 2 models coming, one will have a panel and more controls/switches, and both will have a number of quick disconnect grips - the Warthog and Cougar will work with an included adapter already.  New Space, WW2, and various jet sticks are going to be made.  Their previous Black Mamba/etc sticks will fit as well.  Check out the pictures of the new stick/gimbal, they are NOT screwing around, very heavy duty looking, and if they are at all like their pedals I have, they'll be tanks.  Blade here on HTC has posted his various VKB sticks for further reference, just search in the hardware forum.

VKB-Sim Gunfighter

    Next Generation All-Metal Gimbal
    Includes force-adjustable ‘dry clutches’
    32-bit ARM CPU
    Tunable Axes
    No Custom Drivers Required
    Save and Load Custom Profiles
    Upgrade Firmware via USB
    Works with ALL Flight-Simulators
    Built to Last
    Wide stance base plate include

Highlights:

    Force-adjustable ‘dry clutches’ allow the user to adjust the friction of the stick, which results in a heavier “feel”, and – with enough friction applied, the stick will stay put wherever one lets go of it
    The new gimbal supports up to two springs per axis, which allows for a stiffer overall feeling during stick movement, especially when using an extension or a heavy grip
    New quick release for grip adapters, allowing the user to quickly switch between adapted grips (comes in handy once more VKB grips are available)


They are also making a throttle - finally, one of these custom HOTAS companies is doing a throttle.  NO pics yet, but there is info.



UNDER DEVELOPMENT

VKB Throttle Control System

    Fully acmpatible with all VKB-Sim devices
    32-bit ARM CPU
    Tunable Axes
    No Custom Drivers Required
    Save and Load Custom Profiles
    Upgrade Firmware via USB
    Works with ALL Flight-Simulators
    Built to Last



Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on January 24, 2017, 08:43:32 AM
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen VKB before.

Their entry level stick, $85 Gladiator, seems like pretty decent quality, a great value! I Like the WW2 style grip far better than my X52 pro D handle. Also prefer the arrangement of switches around the base. X52 pro works nicely but feels out of place in this game, a bit too jetfighterish. Doesn't really do much to enhance my WW2 combat vibe!

Would really like to see the VKB throttle, no pics on the website yet. But if it matches their sticks It should be pretty cool! What the Hell, I have wasted more than $85 before, think I'll give the Gladiator a go. The more I see, the more I like it!

I have noticed that some players mix and match stick and throttle units from different manufacturers. I gather that if the unit has it's own USB connection, and if W10 will recognize it, AH3 will map it?

Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Skuzzy on January 24, 2017, 09:40:12 AM
As long as the USB stick is recognized by the operating system, it will work in Aces High.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 24, 2017, 01:07:34 PM
Nice to see VKB joysticks being 32-bit instead of 16 bit (Thrustmaster gear) or 8 bit (CH Product gear).  At 32 bits, the VKB joysticks will be very precise.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Hajo on January 24, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
I am wondering if the VKB stick can be used in conjunction with the CH Pro Throttle and Rudder Pedals USB.

Still to this day using windows 8.1 the CH HOTAS is recognized in the Control Panel but can't be calibrated or actually used in Aces High.

I have to unplug my CH HOTAS setup after I shut the PC down, and after the PC Boots I can plug them in and they work in game and can be calibrated in Windows.

I have checked everything in windows and can't find the problem.  Of course the three controllers are USB.  Splain that Lucy  :headscratch:
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 24, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
I am wondering if the VKB stick can be used in conjunction with the CH Pro Throttle and Rudder Pedals USB.

Still to this day using windows 8.1 the CH HOTAS is recognized in the Control Panel but can't be calibrated or actually used in Aces High.

I have to unplug my CH HOTAS setup after I shut the PC down, and after the PC Boots I can plug them in and they work in game and can be calibrated in Windows.

I have checked everything in windows and can't find the problem.  Of course the three controllers are USB.  Splain that Lucy  :headscratch:

Yes, you can use the VKB gear with your other CH gear without any problems.  I used to have a CH HOTAS set up (Combat Stick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals) and replaced my pedals with the VKB T-Rudder MK IV.  The only thing I had to do with my CH gear was remove the Pro Pedals from my Control Manager .map file.

For your other issue, try this hotfix from Microsoft (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2830154/connected-usb-device-is-not-detected-in-windows).  It's supposed to address the issues of USB controllers not being properly recognized in Windows 8.1.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: BoilerDown on January 25, 2017, 10:49:59 PM
Quote
Left-hand grip design (http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-kosmosima-space-simulation-grip)

Oh hell yeah!
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on January 26, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
Well, I ordered the improved Gladiator mk2, $119.00 total. $35 for shipping, from Russia I guess. At that price, it is about equal to the older Mk1 being sold on Ebay.

If it performs as good as it looks/sounds, I think VKB will do very well in the west!

Won't ship until mid February. Bummer, no instant gratification this time!  :x
Must be Putin's fault, darn Russians anyway, (just jokin)  :D

 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: mikeWe9a on January 28, 2017, 08:52:00 AM
Nice to see VKB joysticks being 32-bit instead of 16 bit (Thrustmaster gear) or 8 bit (CH Product gear).  At 32 bits, the VKB joysticks will be very precise.

Yes, because only having 65000 possible positions over the 8" throw of the Thrustmaster joystick is really blocky... (OK, I guess 8 bits on the CH might be noticeable - around 1mm movement to affect the output).
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 28, 2017, 11:24:07 AM
Yes, because only having 65000 possible positions over the 8" throw of the Thrustmaster joystick is really blocky... (OK, I guess 8 bits on the CH might be noticeable - around 1mm movement to affect the output).

Blade posted some films that show the precision of various joysticks, from 8 bit controllers like CH gear, 16 bit Thrustmaster controllers and a couple of 32 bit VKB sticks (Black Mamba and Cobra I think).  So yes, there is a noticeable difference in precision between a 16 bit stick and a 32 bit stick, just like there is with an 8 bit stick and a 16 bit stick.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: thrila on January 28, 2017, 11:41:07 AM
I am keeping a close eye on this product.

I am awaiting a delivery of an extension to my warthog thrustmaster to see if that will cure my problems with it. I have also bought some replacement springs in order to modify the stick tension. Needless to say i'm not exactly happy having to 'fix' my brand new stick.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on January 28, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
Thrila, the new Gunfighter base has multiple spring combos, there are pics already of a bunch of the options, which will be cool, to be able to fine tune the tension by swapping out how 4 different springs work.  Yellow, white, green, and blue springs are available right now, with more tension colors coming they said.  There are adapters for the WH stick for the base coming when it's released too.  I'm going to stick a Cougar stick in one, and a Warthog stick in another.  They are making some of their own Jet sticks too, not just the WW2 option in the pics.  So, it'll be adjustable in height with different length adapters, as well as tension. 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 28, 2017, 11:30:10 PM
I love how I can adjust the tension on my R-Rudder Mk IVs. 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: BuckShot on January 29, 2017, 08:51:22 AM
Why is their stick with no buttons on the base their most expensive?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on January 30, 2017, 06:20:37 PM
How have your VKB pedals held up so far AckAck?  I've been really impressed with mine, very tough, solid metal and springs.  Too bad the software is in Russian and so un-intuitive, but I've figured it out for the most part and have it set pretty stock-ish in terms of settings.  I find that these type of pedals, sort of like the initial CH Pedals which don't rotate around a center axis, but just push like brakes on other pedals, are far more accurate for precise shooting.  I was going to keep my 109Cams and Crosswinds for DCS and other sims, but I find the VKB pedals are a benefit in them as well, and haven't used my other sets of peds at all since getting the VKB.

Really looking forward to new products, especially their throttle and new base.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Bruv119 on January 30, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
thrila bin your thrustmaster get one of these and tell me how good it is vs CH.    :aok
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 30, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
How have your VKB pedals held up so far AckAck?  I've been really impressed with mine, very tough, solid metal and springs.  Too bad the software is in Russian and so un-intuitive, but I've figured it out for the most part and have it set pretty stock-ish in terms of settings.  I find that these type of pedals, sort of like the initial CH Pedals which don't rotate around a center axis, but just push like brakes on other pedals, are far more accurate for precise shooting.  I was going to keep my 109Cams and Crosswinds for DCS and other sims, but I find the VKB pedals are a benefit in them as well, and haven't used my other sets of peds at all since getting the VKB.

Really looking forward to new products, especially their throttle and new base.

I hooked up my CH Pedals over the weekend for chits and giggles to see how they compared after using the VKB pedals for a few months now.  After a couple of sorties, the CH pedals were removed and put the VKBs back. 

The only complaint is the software, lucky for me there was no need to calibrate the pedals as I have no clue how to calibrate using the VKB software.  Hell, I don't know if you can calibrate the pedals using the software, seems more tuned to their sticks.  Supposedly the T-Link software for the pedals should be coming out soon that will allow programming of the toe brakes to the pedals.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: JimmyC on February 02, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
I got a gladiator a couple of months back..
Awesome
The stick is great.
I got it on Amazon $90
Very good stick for the price..
You don't calibrate  it and it's sensitive and spot on.
I had an issue with the trigger breaking but it has been sorted out..the new models have a tougher trigger now so it was a design defect.
The Russians tried to charge me $30 freight to send me the metal trigger but I declined..I had fixed it with a half a clothes peg as a triggerlol..but the USA branch emailed me seeing if things where sorted..I said no..they wanted to ship me a trigger and did so for Christmas free of charge..awesome..great customer care.
I fully recommend these sticks..new tech for pick ups and it works very well..
The pro has a metal gimbal rather than plastic so in the long run probably better..if you got the bucks..but the gladiator is a top end stick at low/mid range price..
Get one ..you won't be disappointed
Jimmy
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: zack1234 on February 05, 2017, 02:20:04 AM
Clothes peg?

Did you wear protection when handling said object :old:

Do you now wear lipstick?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: JimmyC on February 05, 2017, 04:37:55 AM
Has you pie got enough filling?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on February 05, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
I got a gladiator a couple of months back..
Awesome
The stick is great.
I got it on Amazon $90
Very good stick for the price..
You don't calibrate  it and it's sensitive and spot on.
Get one ..you won't be disappointed
Jimmy

Thanks JimmyC, that is MOST encouraging!

According to the VKB order status, my Gladiator MK2 is still "processing" until they start shipping, "After the Chinese New Year". Apparently, it is of Russian design, and Chinese Production. Hell, what isn't these days! Doesn't matter to me as long as the quality makes it worthwhile.

Just wanted to clarify, seems that it's not coming from Russia.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: TerryRF on February 06, 2017, 01:25:35 PM
   VKB has released a Beta ver. for Mark 4 rudder pedals toe brakes today. (Feb. 6).

    I currently have  L-R- Both brakes mapped to a CH throttle 4 way button. If someone is brave enough to use their T-Link software I would like to know the results. I am somewhat skeptical of attempting it as I am tech challenged.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 06, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
   VKB has released a Beta ver. for Mark 4 rudder pedals toe brakes today. (Feb. 6).

    I currently have  L-R- Both brakes mapped to a CH throttle 4 way button. If someone is brave enough to use their T-Link software I would like to know the results. I am somewhat skeptical of attempting it as I am tech challenged.

The beta software is like the original VKB software, utter crap.  It is very unfortunate that the VKB gear is seriously hampered by the crappy software.  There are no instructions in English and it's not very intuitive.  There is a provided profile for toe brakes but no way to import that I can see the profile into the T-Link software. 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on February 06, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
I've messed with the brakes before with the VKB pedals, I need to be on another PC with those pedals which has the links that I found where a Russian speaker figured it out.  IIRC you have to put the TinyBox into "Expert Mode", and then click a couple tabs, "A2B" and a couple others, and then you can set up multiple other virtual axis so you can have brakes and differential braking too.  I'll post in links later today.

I hope they do come out with English language instructions on the software for their new stuff, I do want to run all new VKB Gunfighter, throttle, and pedals as my primary controllers, but possibly won't if the software situation isn't rectified.  It does work, it's just pretty tough to get it to work for anyone that doesn't speak Sputnik, or with no instructions for a complicated and pretty unintuitive program.  I can't believe they don't know what a common complaint this is, shouldn't be a big deal to get some sim player to write a manual/docs for them.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: mbailey on February 06, 2017, 02:51:56 PM
I got a gladiator a couple of months back..
Awesome
The stick is great.
I got it on Amazon $90
Very good stick for the price..
You don't calibrate  it and it's sensitive and spot on.
I had an issue with the trigger breaking but it has been sorted out..the new models have a tougher trigger now so it was a design defect.
The Russians tried to charge me $30 freight to send me the metal trigger but I declined..I had fixed it with a half a clothes peg as a triggerlol..but the USA branch emailed me seeing if things where sorted..I said no..they wanted to ship me a trigger and did so for Christmas free of charge..awesome..great customer care.
I fully recommend these sticks..new tech for pick ups and it works very well..
The pro has a metal gimbal rather than plastic so in the long run probably better..if you got the bucks..but the gladiator is a top end stick at low/mid range price..
Get one ..you won't be disappointed
Jimmy

Do you use the throttle on the stick, or a separate throttle?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: TerryRF on February 06, 2017, 03:45:34 PM
   Thanks for replying guys. I have the Mark 4 pedals and like them very much.

   To answer your question mbailey. I have mapped the top 4-way switch (the one above the little thumbstick) on my CH Pro Throttle with the lower pos. for both brakes and the back and forward positions for left and right differential braking and it does work quite well. I also use a CH Fighterstick without using the throttle function on it.

    Thanks again guys.    Av8
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: JimmyC on February 06, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
Do you use the throttle on the stick, or a separate throttle?

I use my old x52 throttle, not connected
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on February 16, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
WoooHoooo, my Gladiator Mk2 shipped yesterday!  :banana:

From Hong Kong via DHL with track#.

By  :airplane: and not slow boat, I hope!

Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 17, 2017, 12:43:13 PM
I've messed with the brakes before with the VKB pedals, I need to be on another PC with those pedals which has the links that I found where a Russian speaker figured it out.  IIRC you have to put the TinyBox into "Expert Mode", and then click a couple tabs, "A2B" and a couple others, and then you can set up multiple other virtual axis so you can have brakes and differential braking too.  I'll post in links later today.

I hope they do come out with English language instructions on the software for their new stuff, I do want to run all new VKB Gunfighter, throttle, and pedals as my primary controllers, but possibly won't if the software situation isn't rectified.  It does work, it's just pretty tough to get it to work for anyone that doesn't speak Sputnik, or with no instructions for a complicated and pretty unintuitive program.  I can't believe they don't know what a common complaint this is, shouldn't be a big deal to get some sim player to write a manual/docs for them.

I guess the rudimentary instructions for the English version of the programming instructions for VKB gear is posted on the DCS forums and not on the VKB forums.  Strange.

ack-ack
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on February 21, 2017, 07:39:44 AM
Well, my Gladiator Mk2 has arrived.
First impressions, and some comparisons to my 2 month old X52pro.

The box was lighter than I had imagined. After watching the few English reviews available, where it was said to be, "heavy", I expected something a bit more substantial. But it's not too light frail and cheap either, actually a bit heavier than the X52 stick. Can easily maintain position on the silicone feet, without the need for suction cups.

It seems to be well made, good fit and finish. The WW2 style is far more pleasing than the Super dustbuster X52pro. The grip is smooth, rotated slightly to the left, quite comfortable. A little checkering would be nice, maybe I'll add a bit of grip tape like on some of my pistols. It's a replica grip, so maybe the originals were smooth too?

The action of the stick is butter soft and smooth. Completely different feel from the X52. The ball and socket with central coil spring gimbal of the X52, gives a springy boing boing feeling. The Gladiator has none of that, it almost feels like a fluid coupling, very good, but different! I personally liked it better, immediately. You actually feel the front/back pitch, and side/side roll "gates" as the gimbal moves. Not a bad thing at all, it actually feels kinda like moving separate elevator and aileron control linkages, kinda cool!

On X52, the spring gets stiffer, the farther you move it away from center. And when allowed to spring back freely it wobbles back and forth until it stops. On Gladiator the tension remains constant from center to the limit of stick travel, and the stick returns to center with NO wobbling. Seems like the design of the gimbal has a self dampening effect, offering a very nice feel! At this point, (brand new) there is NO free play or wobble in the center of the stick travel, none! This is one area where the MK2 is said to be improved over the original Gladiator, have to see if it lasts over time and use.

Gladiator uses magnetic sensors on all three stick axis of movement, Pitch Roll, and Yaw. So there shouldn't be any Rudder spiking issues, as on other sticks that use a rheostat for the twist. The twisty function is quite firm, but there is no rudder lockout. All the buttons have a firm feel, with tactile and audible click when pressed. Throttle rheostat works smoothly, without being too loose. The Stick hat switch is concave in shape, instead of being convex like the X52, and is positioned a bit close to the stick body. Again, an issue having to do with the replica form of the stick. So someone with fat sausage fingers might have an issue at the 1:30 and 3 oclock positions. I am borderline with it, so I may glue a small black bead into the center of the concave hat. That will fix that issue and be hardly noticeable.

I have paired it with a refurbed X55 twin throttle. The combo offers enough switches and buttons that I have no need to switch modes or use the shift button. Look great together too! Windows 10 picked it up instantly, and no problems at all mapping to AH. SWEET!

$85 for this stick was a steal, the $30 shipping Zucks, but overall still very worthwhile!
My X52pro in now on the shelf!       
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: caldera on February 21, 2017, 09:06:57 AM
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen VKB before.

Their entry level stick, $85 Gladiator, seems like pretty decent quality, a great value! I Like the WW2 style grip far better than my X52 pro D handle. Also prefer the arrangement of switches around the base. X52 pro works nicely but feels out of place in this game, a bit too jetfighterish. Doesn't really do much to enhance my WW2 combat vibe!

Would really like to see the VKB throttle, no pics on the website yet. But if it matches their sticks It should be pretty cool! What the Hell, I have wasted more than $85 before, think I'll give the Gladiator a go. The more I see, the more I like it!

I have noticed that some players mix and match stick and throttle units from different manufacturers. I gather that if the unit has it's own USB connection, and if W10 will recognize it, AH3 will map it?



I bought a Gladiator since my X-52's hat switch conked out.  Have to say from an ergonomics standpoint, the X-52 is light years ahead. 

The hat switch on the Gladiator is dished, surrounded by a raised ridge and too close to the main body, causing interference between your thumb and the stick.  I ended up gluing on a small plastic piece that is more like a traditional cone shape, allowing much less cumbersome performance.

There is a large assortment of buttons but unlike the X-52, they are all on the base of the stick.  This is very awkward if you use a separate throttle, as it requires you to release either the stick or throttle to press one of these lower buttons.  There is only one button, one hat, a pinky switch and the trigger on the stick, while the X-52 has a two stage trigger, two hats, four buttons and pinky switch.  Space Age or not, it is far more useful and I'm not looking at my stick when playing anyway.

The Gladiator overall seems like a quality piece, except for two buttons that are dead, one of them being the pinky switch, which limits mine to a single working button on the stick.  As a stand alone unit, it is decent but very limited if also using a throttle. 


(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/vkb.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/vkb.jpg.html)

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/x52.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/x52.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on February 21, 2017, 09:41:08 AM
I bought a Gladiator since my X-52's hat switch conked out.  Have to say from an ergonomics standpoint, the X-52 is light years ahead. 

The hat switch on the Gladiator is dished, surrounded by a raised ridge and too close to the main body, causing interference between your thumb and the stick.  I ended up gluing on a small plastic piece that is more like a traditional cone shape, allowing much less cumbersome performance.

There is a large assortment of buttons but unlike the X-52, they are all on the base of the stick.  This is very awkward if you use a separate throttle, as it requires you to release either the stick or throttle to press one of these lower buttons.  There is only one button, one hat, a pinky switch and the trigger on the stick, while the X-52 has a two stage trigger, two hats, four buttons and pinky switch.  Space Age or not, it is far more useful and I'm not looking at my stick when playing anyway.

The Gladiator overall seems like a quality piece, except for two buttons that are dead, one of them being the pinky switch, which limits mine to a single working button on the stick.  As a stand alone unit, it is decent but very limited if also using a throttle.

After getting the Gladiator Mk2, my X52pro seems like a pogo stick with a dustbuster handle!
I like the vintage replica form far better. No contest!
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: caldera on February 21, 2017, 10:01:38 AM
After getting the Gladiator Mk2, my X52pro seems like a pogo stick with a dustbuster handle!
I like the vintage replica form far better. No contest!

To each their own.  I hated the X-52 Pro.  The regular X-52 is much better IMO.

By the way, do all your buttons work?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on February 21, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
To each their own.  I hated the X-52 Pro.  The regular X-52 is much better IMO.

By the way, do all your buttons work?

Yeah, definitely a matter of personal preference.

Yep, everything works. I use TrackIR5 too, so the hat means even less. Besides that, the X55 throttle that I paired it with, has 2 8way, and 1 4way hats anyway. The combo has more hats buttons switches and rotaries than I would ever need.

I'm happy jack! :banana:

But I still have the X52pro on the shelf in case something breaks.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: JimmyC on February 28, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
That pinky switch works..its a mode switch..press it in conjunction with another switch..equals new switch to map..I use mine all the time
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on February 28, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Quick FYI, the Gunfighter, base only, and adapter for the Cougar/Warthog sticks are available for pre order, and will ship in March sometime.  Not cheap, the Gunfighter with the adapter and WW2 stick, shipping to Canada, is over $400 USD, not including duty or tax, which means it'll be around $600 CDN to my door.  Hopefully it'll be worth it, some of the QC issues with the Gladiators I've read about has my a little concerned, but my VKB pedals were excellent, so I'm hoping the same will be said of the higher end Gunfighter. 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on March 01, 2017, 07:48:03 AM
After using the Gladiator Mk2 for a week or so, I like it even more :D. Has rid me of the gunsite bouncing issue when trying to take a shot, allowed me to decrease stick damping settings immediately. And now after a little more time, I have narrowed the dead bands a bit too. As compared to settings for my springy X52pro, this has been a major improvement in control. At least to MY feel and senses. Reliability has been 100%, no twitches, no stumbles, no sloppyness, nothing.

I was concerned after reading some online comments about the original Gladiator stick, that I had bought a lemon in the Mk2. Happy to say, that my Mk2 functions perfectly, (so far). If there were issues before, I'm not seeing them in my sample. I give the company extra points for making improvements in a timely fashion. Will be taking a stab at the VKB throttle as soon as it is available.

NO FUN being a Guinea pig for new products, especially when the ticket gets high!
But I guess it's kinda like the title of the book, "No Guts, No Glory". :salute
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on March 01, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
Good to hear Nitro , thanks for the review/report.  I'm getting the throttle as well, I'm very interested to see what they do with that.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: 38ruk on March 01, 2017, 06:14:50 PM
I've been in love with my gladiator stick since i got it in Dec. of last year . It totally smoothed out my gun site bounce . Mine is a MK1 but haven't had many issue with it except the hat switch has a sticky spot which vkbusa has promised to replace when he gets his first parts shipment in .  Cant wait for the Gladiator pro upgrade kit they have on the website to go live .... i will be camping out for that release.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: steely07 on March 01, 2017, 06:27:05 PM
Got my order in, can't wait for that tracking number :)
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: OldNitro on March 20, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
Oh baby, Check out the new "Multifunction Combat Grip" or "Modern Combat Grip". at VKB! 2 contactless mini sticks with center push button, 2 triggers, Contactless MARS brake lever. External twisty adapter available soon.

Replica of the newest Sukhoi fighter sticks. Looks Purty Snazzy!

I like these VKB guys, they seem to be WAY out front!

 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on March 20, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
Yep, only 100$ too.  Can't wait to see the throttle, that's what I'm waiting for.  I have the Gunfighter on order, plan on using the Warthog or Cougar stick on it, until this new top end comes out.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2017, 04:24:53 PM
I like the new grip, just what I was looking for to replace my CH Combat Stick.  Has enough buttons and hat switches to satisfy my needs and along with the gunfighter base looks like my Combat Stick's days are numbered.  If the upcoming VKB throttle is going to be a dual one, my PT's days will be numbered as well.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Joker on March 21, 2017, 09:14:41 AM
I like the looks of the MCG.  :aok
I wonder if that will be offered with the extended base like the Gunfighter, or only as a replacement handle.
I'll order the MCG and the throttle when they're available.

My CH gear has served me well for a very long time but lately some of the buttons don't always work, and it isn't real steady when aiming......of course, it might have something to do with the old fart driving the plane.  :old:

Joker
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: flippz on April 12, 2017, 12:23:52 PM
slight review:  received my vkb mkII stick several months ago, and I love it.  like jimmy said the precision and feel is awesome.  the wwII styling for the handle is nice and better feeling than the x56 that I use.  being new to this, the stick seems to have enough buttons for flying and gving for me.  I don't use the pinky switch as I have enough programmed now for my liking. 
as for customer support: I have had no issues at all with mine as of today, but I was wanting the upgraded metal trigger and a bit stiffer springs as I tend to pull or jerk the stick when engaged with a enemy.  the web site was shown to be out of stock right now so I emailed customer support for a eta on the triggers.  Less than 5 min later I got an eta and directions on the spring questions.  that is rare in todays service ideas. 
kudos to vkb na branch, very pleased on the stick and service
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on April 13, 2017, 12:50:07 AM
Some news about their new "Modern Combat Grip" they are making for the new Gunfighter base - they have 3 versions of that coming out, and one of them will fit on both the Warthog and the Cougar base.  Very cool...

Quote
VKB HQ shared with me that they’re planning to ship three versions of the Modern Combat Grip (MCG):

    Modern Combat Grip – MCG (as already announced) – $99
        Features 22 programmable buttons
    Modern Combat Grip – MCG TM Edition (new!) – $130
        Directly compatible with TM Warthog ™ and TM Cougar ™ bases
        Features 23 programmable buttons
    Modern Combat Grip – MCG Pro (new!) – $140
        Analog brake design
        Folding trigger with contactless MaRS sensors
        Different hat designs included with different shapes to be customized by the user
        Features 27 programmable buttons

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=3705

If VKB can get production going after these early teething problems, and build enough stock to fulfill the coming demand,  the Gunfighter + associated parts/options, could really launch them into the top end of the higher end controller spectrum.  If they come up with a great new throttle too, they just might make some big waves.

It's great to read the above customer service stories - VKB had the Gunfighter delayed due to some legal/bureaucracy/whatever -   
Quote
This delay is the result of a single supplier who had to re-design the PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards), and these will still have to be FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and CE (Conformité Européene) certified. This overall process is what’s taking so long currently.

VKB offered a full refund to anyone that didn't want to wait another couple of weeks.

Also, when a significant number of people on their forums said they really wanted a pinky switch on the new Modern Grip - tada, VKB decided to add one.

Starting to impress.  I've always liked their pedals, the only VKB thing I have so far, but I have the GF on order and will be getting a couple of handles for it, and the throttle too.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Drano on April 13, 2017, 08:42:03 AM
I've pretty much decided that until the Rift comes down in price I'm going to be changing out my controllers first. Had my eye on the gunfighter but didn't like the 109 handle only because it lacked buttons. Too big a change going from the CH Fighterstick with tons of buttons to like a couple with a hat. This new MCG looks like the answer. The contactless sensors are really the reason to change more than anything else. I've recently upgraded my rudder pedals to MFG Crosswinds. Really nice.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: donnieboy on April 13, 2017, 10:14:21 AM
Def have my eye on the MCG to go on my Warthog base. I also have the VKB pedals and love them.  :aok

I hope we don't have to wait too long for the Rift to come down in price. Hopeing the resolution improves as well. Demo'd one at BB and it was awesome although a bit grainy...
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Mar on April 16, 2017, 06:00:29 PM
Anybody have experience with the TM Warthog stick adapter from VKB? I'm looking at getting the gunfighter base. My Warthog has horrible stiction and I don't have the skill or tools to fix it.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Bixby on April 24, 2017, 11:56:42 AM
Gunfighter sticks start shipping today. Received email today.

Waiting for the MCG now. 
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: BFOOT1 on April 25, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
Hey guys I'm looking at ordering either the VKB Mk.II or the Mk.II Pro, which one should I go with? My Saitek X45 is wearing out, and I'm having a lot of throttle control issues  :salute
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: SIK1 on April 25, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
Anybody have experience with the TM Warthog stick adapter from VKB? I'm looking at getting the gunfighter base. My Warthog has horrible stiction and I don't have the skill or tools to fix it.

Mar, I don't have experience with the adapter yet, but as soon as I can afford the Gunfighter I will be getting one and the adapter too.
VKB has the installation instructions on the adapters page in pdf format. The Warthog stick does have to be partially disassembled, and the VKB components installed.

 :salute
Sik


Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: edge12674 on April 25, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
You might consider the new offerings from Virpil.  They are scheduled to start shipping their joystick bases next month.  Also their grips do not use proprietary electronics, meaning they are directly swap-able with Warthog/Cougar bases.  Their desk mount brackets look interesting as well.

https://virpil.com/en/

Hope this helps
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: SIK1 on April 25, 2017, 11:55:05 AM
You might consider the new offerings from Virpil.  They are scheduled to start shipping their joystick bases next month.  Also their grips do not use proprietary electronics, meaning they are directly swap-able with Warthog/Cougar bases.  Their desk mount brackets look interesting as well.

https://virpil.com/en/

Hope this helps

Another interesting player in the high end joystick market. Thanks for the info.  :aok

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on April 25, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
BRD makes some high end gear too, they only have a Russian site for sales, but you can google BRD and see some various sticks/pedals they've made.

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=27
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: pipz on April 26, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
That Modern Combat grip. I dig the features but thats one ugly stick! hehhehe

How has the quality control been with VKB products?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: BuckShot on May 06, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Looks like you can't use that russian virpil without the fancy mount or installing it in a sim pit. Unless that block base weight ten lbs it would fall over.

Anyone have one yet?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: SIK1 on May 06, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
Looks like you can't use that russian virpil without the fancy mount or installing it in a sim pit. Unless that block base weight ten lbs it would fall over.

Anyone have one yet?

As far as I know the MongoosT-50 Flightstick hasn't been released yet. They do show the grip as being available, and it is compatible with a Warthog base.

I think I'm going to go with a Virpil when they become available, and I have the cash. When that happens I'll post an opinion.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: edge12674 on May 07, 2017, 07:58:09 AM
As far as I know the MongoosT-50 Flightstick hasn't been released yet. They do show the grip as being available, and it is compatible with a Warthog base.

I think I'm going to go with a Virpil when they become available, and I have the cash. When that happens I'll post an opinion.

 :salute
Sik

Virpil has started shipping their grip and the reviews are pretty good so far.  Here is an unboxing video:

https://youtu.be/wlxFUXPD4OY

The Virpil appeared to address his one criticism quickly.  I might consider this giving this grip a try as well.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: zack1234 on May 07, 2017, 01:10:05 PM
I watched the video.

If that stick is £25 i would buy one.

It looks cheap.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ramesis on May 07, 2017, 04:08:46 PM
Looks like Strato (Jason from IL2/Rise of Flight) is done now, and a new North America VKB site is up.  Lots of new pics of upcoming gear.

http://vkbcontrollers.com/

The Gunfighter is going to be available in March.  Looks great, has a new gimbal with multiple springs that can be added/removed, and a new friction system for setting tension.  It has 2 models coming, one will have a panel and more controls/switches, and both will have a number of quick disconnect grips - the Warthog and Cougar will work with an included adapter already.  New Space, WW2, and various jet sticks are going to be made.  Their previous Black Mamba/etc sticks will fit as well.  Check out the pictures of the new stick/gimbal, they are NOT screwing around, very heavy duty looking, and if they are at all like their pedals I have, they'll be tanks.  Blade here on HTC has posted his various VKB sticks for further reference, just search in the hardware forum.

VKB-Sim Gunfighter

    Next Generation All-Metal Gimbal
    Includes force-adjustable ‘dry clutches’
    32-bit ARM CPU
    Tunable Axes
    No Custom Drivers Required
    Save and Load Custom Profiles
    Upgrade Firmware via USB
    Works with ALL Flight-Simulators
    Built to Last
    Wide stance base plate include

Highlights:

    Force-adjustable ‘dry clutches’ allow the user to adjust the friction of the stick, which results in a heavier “feel”, and – with enough friction applied, the stick will stay put wherever one lets go of it
    The new gimbal supports up to two springs per axis, which allows for a stiffer overall feeling during stick movement, especially when using an extension or a heavy grip
    New quick release for grip adapters, allowing the user to quickly switch between adapted grips (comes in handy once more VKB grips are available)


They are also making a throttle - finally, one of these custom HOTAS companies is doing a throttle.  NO pics yet, but there is info.



UNDER DEVELOPMENT

VKB Throttle Control System

    Fully acmpatible with all VKB-Sim devices
    32-bit ARM CPU
    Tunable Axes
    No Custom Drivers Required
    Save and Load Custom Profiles
    Upgrade Firmware via USB
    Works with ALL Flight-Simulators
    Built to Last

I'm sorry but when I see a post like this, I get a little
leary... I sorta wonder, is this an ad or the real thing  :noid
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 07, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
I'm sorry but when I see a post like this, I get a little
leary... I sorta wonder, is this an ad or the real thing  :noid

Real thing.  VKB is probably one of the top high end stick manufacturers out there now.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: edge12674 on May 07, 2017, 05:44:52 PM
The first batch of the VBK Gunfighter sticks have shipped.  Reviews are starting to come in.  Between Virpil, VBK, and Baur, there are finally A LOT of high end alternatives to Thrustmaster, Seitek, and CH.  Both Virpil and VBK have also announced plans to release throttle quadrants.  :D
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: SIK1 on May 07, 2017, 06:42:50 PM
Virpil is also planning to release a left handed version of their stick, which should be good news for those southpaws out there.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Gman on May 08, 2017, 03:24:47 AM
I got an email from VKB about my Gunfighter order, it hasn't arrived yet but it's shipped, however they advised me there is a small issue with 2 of the dust cover screws.  If anyone bought one, be sure to look into this, as 2 of the 6 screws on the top dust cover are 2mm too long, and will affect the X axis clutch, and put too much stress and tension on the nylon discs.  You can either back off the screws 1 to 2 turns from flush/tight, or purchase screws which are 2mm shorter until they fix the problem and send out replacement screws.  I've read that others who have received their sticks have added paper washers to the clutch/screw tension, and they are working well.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Pluto on May 11, 2017, 03:11:02 PM
Anybody have experience with the TM Warthog stick adapter from VKB? I'm looking at getting the gunfighter base. My Warthog has horrible stiction and I don't have the skill or tools to fix it.

I installed my warthog grip last night. It was fairly easy to install the adapter. Adjusting the clutches and cams was very easy also.  The hardest part about the whole process was figuring out the config software. It took a while to find the correct files for using the pedals and the stick through the black box. I got it finally.
I haven't had a chance to use it in game yet but I'll post a review when I get some time with them.
First impressions though is the stock grip seems very cheap and light along with the base plate. Definitely not built like the warthog, but the base seems like it has some quality to it.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Mar on May 11, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
Is the throw square like or is it circular like the warthog?
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Pluto on May 11, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
I would say it's square. One cam controls pitch and one controls roll. With the stick pushed full forward there is nothing stopping it from moving full left or right.  I put 2 30 pound springs on each cam so as I reach the extremities it sort of feels round due to the spring pressure. I don't recall what the inside of the warthog looks like so I couldn't tell you the exact differences.
Title: Re: New VKB HOTAS news
Post by: Mar on May 11, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
Gotcha. The Warthog isn't exactly circular but the corners are rounded off so much that I find it hard to tell if I'm getting the max that I can get from either axis.

Now if I ever manage to get my hands on a Gunfighter base I know who to ask questions about the software. :)