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Title: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Brooke on March 15, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Please rate Battle of the Kuban.

If you played in it, please rate this scenario by giving it a number in the range of -5 (absolutely hated it), to 0 (could take it or leave it), to +5 (absolutely loved it).
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Vudu15 on March 15, 2018, 03:24:58 PM
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Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: DubiousKB on March 15, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
2  :aok
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: swareiam on March 15, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
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Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Guppy35 on March 15, 2018, 03:42:16 PM
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Post by: SIM on March 15, 2018, 06:00:24 PM
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Post by: APDrone on March 15, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
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Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Canspec on March 15, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
3
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Post by: Devil 505 on March 15, 2018, 07:29:51 PM
-3
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: AKKuya on March 15, 2018, 08:20:19 PM
3
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Popsman on March 15, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
+5 I salute everyone that put this together, and every one that played in it.  :salute
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Dace on March 15, 2018, 08:39:32 PM
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Post by: shotgunneeley on March 15, 2018, 10:23:37 PM
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Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: TWCAxew on March 16, 2018, 08:18:51 AM
-1

Edit:

Let me explain why i gave it a negative. There was simply not enough to do for most of the axis squadron. The first 2 frames we tried to use a more traditional game plan. The third frame we where despaired for a fight so we tried to force it with little regard to score more points than the allies. Frame 4 was more like frame 1 and 2. I am surprised so much positivist after listening to the chat in vudu's vid from frame 4 the allies seemed to be at each other troughs...

Only our forward squads (mine included) had occasional contact with enemy fighters during frame 1 and 2,mostly clear sky's above there bases. Our defense was bored to death as well, no major pushes came in until 5 minutes till cease fire. However we where not gonna point all of this out. It was only when L0ngb0w made a fuss about it that we let our frustrations be known. I also dislike how we as a community reacted to his post and us telling him that flying hour for 3 hours into the abyss is fun and he should suck it up.

Regarding frame 3 it was a blast and the allies actually seemed to care to attack our bases.

I also do like the roll the attack planes had, with the focus on multiple sorties. Al tough i do think 1 bunker and 1 gun is a little bit to little to destroy for each run. I would like to see this increased to maybe 2 or 3 objects for each sortie. Now it was just flying in and get out as fast as possible.

Frame 4 would get a 4 from me, it was great! but the other 3 frames made me wish i went out for a beer instead... I really want to give this a positive review because i loved all the other scenario's so far, but this was a bit of a letdown for me. I am sorry.

DutchVII
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: flats on March 16, 2018, 09:15:46 AM
3
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Post by: oboe on March 16, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
+3

This scenario had everything I want and expect in a scenario - great leadership, teamwork, interesting strategy and tactics, periods intense combat offset by periods of patrol/inaction.  It supported lots of different mission types - sweeps, intercepts, escort, level and dive bombing; both air-to-air and air-to-ground combat.  The terrain was great and the clouds were beautiful and functionally effective as cover.

I enjoyed the VVS vs Luftwaffe mid-War match-up and it was so great to be in a P-39 and feel both potent and vulnerable at different times.   

I could be tempted to complain about the plane set; that the Fw190 was too capable.  But I won't because that is the nature of the combat we're simulating in the setting we've reproduced.   That is the way it really was, I'm thrown into it, now how can I do with what I have?   This scenario was especially great at presenting that problem for the planners.

Only places I'd nick it is in the Area of Operations and targets; I felt the AO and number of targets were too constrained.       And attendance - I want to see 70 players per side, not 70 total.  But don't we all.   

<S> to the designers, planners, and all the participants.  And especially to the group leaders and commanders - you guys were brilliant in your roles.

 :salute
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Wiley on March 16, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
0

Wiley.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Rocco on March 16, 2018, 10:56:03 AM
+3
Big  :salute to everyone that made this event happen.

And another  :salute to the axis for a well fought scenario.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Zimme83 on March 16, 2018, 11:25:43 AM
3. It was an ok scenario, not bad at all. But i prefer scenarios whit one attacking and one defending side. The ones like this with both sides both attacking and defending tends to spread out the action too much. It seems like the allies did not have sufficient range to escort their bombers, leaving them no option but to sneak them in.

With one side attacking with bombers and escort you are pretty much guaranteed action, the bomber stream acts like a magnet and all players are concentrated in the same area, unlike now when you have at least 6 groups. (one side is split into bombers + escorts, defenders and the attack planes).
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: JakJak on March 16, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
+5   :aok     Loved it! -Spirit
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: DubiousKB on March 16, 2018, 12:22:55 PM
3. It was an ok scenario, not bad at all. But i prefer scenarios whit one attacking and one defending side. The ones like this with both sides both attacking and defending tends to spread out the action too much. It seems like the allies did not have sufficient range to escort their bombers, leaving them no option but to sneak them in.

With one side attacking with bombers and escort you are pretty much guaranteed action, the bomber stream acts like a magnet and all players are concentrated in the same area, unlike now when you have at least 6 groups. (one side is split into bombers + escorts, defenders and the attack planes).

Only if both sides alternate full attack vs full defence.... Otherwise action and outcome typically favor the defence in my opinion...
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: asterix on March 16, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
+3

I had fun through the entire event but decided to deduct points because I would have liked to have some kind of a close air support frame or something different included. Maybe next time have some opposing side AI tanks scattered along two lines close in the middle of nowhere with some landmarks close for navigation, with high value points per tank. Fighters could also carry bombs. Level bombers would still have to level bomb, but the target is not that easily seen so flying lower brings better accuracy. Maybe have some lower cloud cover like there was at 20k this time. Create some kind of a forced situation where both sides collide, but if axis tries to play safe and use their high climbing and high altitude performance they may miss the allied initial low alt fast speed attack, if there is one. So would like to see two sides going for the same area with time against those who want to play too safe, something like that idk.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: bgoldy on March 18, 2018, 10:52:50 AM
3

No more pre registering please...
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: KCDitto on March 18, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
3

No more pre registering please...

?

Can you explain this for me?   What is wrong with pre-registration?
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: bgoldy on March 18, 2018, 01:09:56 PM
Idk I guess nothing is wrong with it aslong as when the registration opens up the spots that were already “claimed” shouldn’t be on the registration part.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Brooke on March 18, 2018, 02:41:11 PM
Idk I guess nothing is wrong with it aslong as when the registration opens up the spots that were already “claimed” shouldn’t be on the registration part.

If you get a spot on the registration page, that is the spot you get in the game, unless you volunteer to change to something else.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: bgoldy on March 18, 2018, 05:15:56 PM
I will keep that in mind next time. Thanks Brooke.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: KillyJim on March 18, 2018, 07:31:04 PM
+4. Fun times. Allies might have had less fun than axis but I'm not certain the map was all to do with outcome differences. The challenge for allies made the missions that worked well all the more rewarding. Maybe bump up points for ground objects all by 25% or more?
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: TWCAxew on March 19, 2018, 03:54:33 AM
[I misread something nvm
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Flossy on March 21, 2018, 06:19:49 PM
+5  One of the best in a while!  :salute
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: zack1234 on March 22, 2018, 01:24:17 AM
5

Even though real life got ini the way
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: BFOOT1 on March 22, 2018, 07:01:10 AM
I’d say 2.5 for me. I was lucky to be flying with an excellent group of guys, who made the scenario for me. I believe part of what makes a scenario are the people you fly with!

To me the combat area felt a little too big considering we averaged anywhere from 30-38 per side roughly. There has to be a way to get our numbers up, there just has to be a way to bring in more people. I know our percentage of attendance is higher, but I miss the days of 60 per side let alone 100 plus.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: waystin2 on March 22, 2018, 10:22:57 AM
4

It is what I knew it would be going in.  20-30 minutes of inactivity broken up with brief periods of fear, sweat and death.  Four frames is too long in my opinion unless the place or planes in operation changes.  As usual the time for most of my own squad is very difficult to make as we usually present more numbers late EST PM.
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: SlipKnt on March 22, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
+4

Only reason I am not rating it a 5 is time...

I know walk-ons impede on launch time.  But, I rely on my RL schedule around events.  Frankly, I experienced wife ack twice because I wasn't ready by 6pm.   :rofl

If possible (and perhaps I should have already calculated for this), try to have everyone in and assigned so we can open fields at the advertised time. 

I recommend not having an "END TO HOSTILITIES" but use the FSO rule of you must be landed and towered out by end of frame. this way it is in the planning and there should be no reason enemy planes are over a field 5 minutes before frame end (or they lose the plane / points).

Always a good crowd. 

Thank you all for CMing and all who participated.  I'd love to recruit more players. 

 :rock
SlipKnoT
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: Spikes on March 24, 2018, 08:45:49 AM
-2

The planeset had a lot of potential but there was too much variance on the Allies. The Spit5 really had no business being there and was the slowest of them all. It also put a real strain on planning because the Allies had to work with 4 different types of fighters.

Flying to fields behind the Axis lines to land was very gamey. I didn't really buy it at first when the justification was "it was after end hostilities", but it made sense just to get guys down. However, doing it mid-frame was pretty low no matter how you look at it. In general flying outside of the area of play was lame.

While the combat area may have been smaller than other events, it was still too large given the amount of fighter aircraft in the event. Our command deemed it not worthwhile to defend the city or airfield because the maximum number of points attainable was very low as opposed to the possible attainable points from the V-bases, so the majority of our stuff went up there and we left just a couple in the south in case NOE, unescorted raids came (which they did, multiple times). In the end that strategy paid off, but led to quite a lot of downtime during some frames for most guys. I thought the scoring system was nice to eliminate parking over a base and racking up points if there was no opposition, but stuff was just too spread out to encourage a fight.

Hopefully there is a way to discourage or end use of 88mm guns, they only end up as fun-killers, I don't see a problem with 37mm as they provide defense much closer to the base.

I also kind of agree with Slip, I think the "end of hostilities" idea has seen its last days, it doesn't provide anything useful now and only causes problems (last minute attacks where attackers end up immune directly over enemy bases, people not disengaging after it is called).
Title: Re: Please rate "Battle of the Western Kuban" Scenario
Post by: TheKenzer on March 30, 2018, 07:21:00 PM
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Post by: picko on April 04, 2018, 06:45:18 AM
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