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Title: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2018, 01:46:19 AM
Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" approaches.  :banana:

It is a one-day 12-hour event, where people play whatever portion of the 12 hours they desire.

It is scheduled to run on January 26.

It is P-47's, P-38's, F6F's, B-24's, and B-25's vs. N1K2's, Ki-61's, Ki-84's, Ki-67's, and Ki-45's (using Bf 110C) in a battle involving air combat, bombing, attack, and antishipping.

Here is the current draft of the writeup:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTQoAXrm_mzPvewr4lHAq57GPJf-maEEhhdUnQZzY1kcH-duKVGsCK9_jgBCPLO8pOowehZwTohRC2f/pub
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2018, 01:55:01 AM
Hello, all!  :aok

For anyone wanting to volunteer as a side CO, please send Swareiam a message.  The TFT CM team overall will decide side CO's.

Registration is estimated to open next Saturday.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 15, 2018, 08:39:06 AM
FYI the 110 is a terrible idea. I was used as a Ki-45 sub in a FSO a couple of years ago and suffered a horrific mortality rate. Of 35 planes used that month, 27 were shot down for only 10 kills achieved. 6 of which were split between 2 pilots.

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 15, 2018, 11:41:29 AM
FYI the 110 is a terrible idea. I was used as a Ki-45 sub in a FSO a couple of years ago and suffered a horrific mortality rate. Of 35 planes used that month, 27 were shot down for only 10 kills achieved. 6 of which were split between 2 pilots.

Will you make us a skin Devil?  :D

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/features/p7hg_img_41/fullsize/ki45browncw_3_fs.jpg)

8th Hakkou-tai, ‘Kinnou-tai’, Special Attack Squadron, based at Nielsen Air Base in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 15, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
Will you make us a skin Devil?  :D

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/features/p7hg_img_41/fullsize/ki45browncw_3_fs.jpg)

8th Hakkou-tai, ‘Kinnou-tai’, Special Attack Squadron, based at Nielsen Air Base in the Philippines.

Only if you or Brooke is leading them.

Quite honestly, I see no possible way you can justify it's inclusion in this event. It is not even close in capability to what a B-25H can do as an attacker. In every possible way is it a bad idea - and you should know this based on how bad the 110's were in the Rabaul FSO that you designed.

So unless you and Brooke are going to back up your hare-brained idea and put your arse on the line by flying it, I won't waste my time skinning a winged punchline.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 15, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
Only if you or Brooke is leading them.

Quite honestly, I see no possible way you can justify it's inclusion in this event. It is not even close in capability to what a B-25H can do as an attacker. In every possible way is it a bad idea - and you should know this based on how bad the 110's were in the Rabaul FSO that you designed.

So unless you and Brooke are going to back up your hare-brained idea and put your arse on the line by flying it, I won't waste my time skinning a winged punchline.

Actually, I am flying a Ki-45. That's why I asked. :lol  I know that there are much better leaders out there than myself. So we'll see what happens there. But, YES, I am flying a Ki-45. I flew the B-25H in the Rabaul scenario; suburb aircraft to fly and fight in. I welcome the challenge to turn this old warbird into a winner over the Leyte Gulf.

 :aok

Thank you sir. Your talent is really appreciated.



 :salute
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 15, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
Actually, I am flying a Ki-45. That's why I asked. :lol  I know that there are much better leaders out there than myself. So we'll see what happens there. But, YES, I am flying a Ki-45. I flew the B-25H in the Rabaul scenario; suburb aircraft to fly and fight in. I welcome the challenge to turn this old warbird into a winner over the Leyte Gulf.

 :aok

Thank you sir. Your talent is really appreciated.



 :salute

Ok then. I'll make a skin for you.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: puller on December 15, 2018, 05:33:24 PM
Calling the Niki squad...
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Chris79 on December 15, 2018, 06:51:42 PM
May go allied this one, but big on flying torches
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2018, 07:04:01 PM
I'll be in Ki-45/110C's as well and will be putting my guys into them.

I've flown a lot of ground attack and antishipping in scenarios (Coral Sea 2005 and 2009, Pacific War, Med. Maelstrom, Husky, Philippine Phandango, Tunisia, Hinterland, Dnieper, Pantelleria, Kuban, Southern Conquest, Red Storm, and Enemy Coast Ahead; in Ju 88's, B-26's, Ki-67's, A-20's, Il-2's, Ju 87's, TBM's, B5N's, FW 190's, La-5's, and Typhoons).

I think the Ki-45/110C will be a lot fun, and I'm looking forward to it.  :aok

As an attack pilot, my main concern is never the ord we carry because that is usually balanced in hardness, targets, and scoring enough to suit me.

Yankees, beware the might of Imperial Japan!  :aok

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 15, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
Of 35 planes used that month, 27 were shot down for only 10 kills achieved.

Attackers here are tasked with hitting bunkers and ships, not engaging in air combat.  The Ki-45/110C is a fine attack plane for that.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 15, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
Ok then. I'll make a skin for you.

You are the man.  :cheers:

どうもありがとう
Many Thanks
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 15, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
You are the man.  :cheers:

どうもありがとう
Many Thanks

Yeah, well I don't want you guys to look ridiculous while getting zapped.  :devil


You want the scheme from the model you posted, or this 45 Sentai bird?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/53/3c/ba533c268c0d85c4be0627ef95309269.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: perdue3 on December 16, 2018, 12:46:55 AM
Franks for Kommando Nowotny.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: TWCAxew on December 16, 2018, 04:31:02 AM
I'll be walk-on into the 110's. Maybe I  there all day maybe I won't make it. Can't tell yet what my new job demands of me.

If they are used in the same way as they where as the Kuban scenario than I am gonna have a heck of a lot of fun  :D
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 16, 2018, 09:05:29 AM
Yeah, well I don't want you guys to look ridiculous while getting zapped.  :devil


You want the scheme from the model you posted, or this 45 Sentai bird?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/53/3c/ba533c268c0d85c4be0627ef95309269.jpg)

Devil,

We'll take the 8th Hakkou-tai, ‘Kinnou-tai’, Special Attack Squadron.

(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/0/6c381e01-ffab-4a07-b705-91110fbd0ede-original.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)

Thanks a lot.  :aok
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 16, 2018, 06:45:05 PM
How do skins make it into events these days?

Used to be, they had to be built into the terrain (making it hard to accomplish).

Is there an easier route these days?
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 16, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
How do skins make it into events these days?

Used to be, they had to be built into the terrain (making it hard to accomplish).

Is there an easier route these days?

Same as before. I will send the skin to Ghostdancer once it's done. He will bake it into the terrain.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 18, 2018, 01:05:39 PM


Here is actual footage of the 8th Hakkou-tai, ‘Kinnou-tai’, Special Attack Squadron taking off to attack the Americans in Leyte Gulf. Take a look at the vertical stabilizer markings.

 :aok
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 18, 2018, 03:13:19 PM


Here is actual footage of the 8th Hakkou-tai, ‘Kinnou-tai’, Special Attack Squadron taking off to attack the Americans in Leyte Gulf. Take a look at the vertical stabilizer markings.

 :aok

Thanks. This is great. The paint finish is much cleaner than the model.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 19, 2018, 12:24:38 PM
Thanks. This is great. The paint finish is much cleaner than the model.

 :aok

I would have to speculate and surmise that these aircraft were almost brand new for a unit that only survived for not even three days in combat.  :frown:

 :salute

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Arlo on December 19, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
:aok

I would have to speculate and surmise that these aircraft were almost brand new for a unit that only survived for not even three days in combat.  :frown:

 :salute

There's a 'day limit' now?  :O
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on December 19, 2018, 01:19:30 PM
There's a 'day limit' now?  :O

There was apparently...  :frown:  That had to suck.  :cry
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 21, 2018, 03:02:34 AM
Here is a script to set up your offline terrain for practicing.

.//----------------------- start --------------------------------

.//This script will set things up for TFT "Leyte, 1944", plus it
.//will allow bombing of friendly objects (so that you don't have
.//to fly to an enemy base or ship to practice bombing or strafing),
.//plus it has an air spawn from a51 (click N launch) that puts you
.//about 10 miles east off shore at 3000 ft altitude, so that you can
.//come in to bomb or attack things.  You can take any plane off from
.//any field and any carrier (so you can launch Bf 110C's/Ki-45 and
.//B-25H from carriers to quickly practice antishipping).

.//To use this script:
.//-- Copy all text into a file (using, say, notepad) and save it in
.//       your "C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\scripts" folder as
.//       the file named "leytePractice.txt".
.//-- Start Aces High.
.//-- Click "Choose terrain" and select "luzon".
.//-- (If you don't have luzon terrain yet, see below.)
.//-- Click "Offline practice".
.//-- Click "options->arena setup->cm tools->scripts".
.//-- On the left, select "leytePractice.txt" and click "OK".
.//-- Now you are all set.

.//If you don't have luzon terrain yet,
.//-- Click "Online Arenas",
.//-- Click "OK",
.//-- Click "Create Arena",
.//-- Select "luzon" as the terrain,
.//-- Click "Create".
.//-- That will download the luzon terrain for you.

.//motd -- doesn't seem to work
.motd motdLeyte.txt

.//Reset wind to all zero, then set downwind I want.
.//Note can't set wind directly after .wind.  Need
.//other commands in between.
.wind 0 0 0 0
.//.wind 24000 0 0 -45 <---- do this at end of script

.//Set weather.
.sweath light5k

.//Set arena settings all to default, then set the ones I want.
.vset default
.vset countryflags[0] 3
.vset countryflags[1] 3
.vset countryflags[2] 2
.vset arenaflags 275500
.vset bomberwarningrange 42240
.vset communicationflags 3
.vset changecountrytime 0
.vset exitwhilemoving 508
.vset fighterwarningrange 42240
.vset flightmodeflags 5248
.vset FogLoFarMiles 18.0
.vset FogLoNearMiles 1.0
.vset fuelburnratemult 1.0
.vset groundautolethality[2] 0.1
.vset groundautolethality[1] 0.1
.vset groundautolethality[0] 0.1
.vset radarmode[0] 400
.vset radarmode[1] 400
.vset radarmode[2] 48
.vset radarupdaterate 30
.vset sectorcounteralt 1000
.vset sectorcounterrange 158400
.vset taskgrouprespawntime 360
.vset towerbasedradarrange 158400
.vset stratflags 1

.//Reset map to country order I want.
.reset 2 1 3
.//Change same fields and ships to different country.
.sfield 59 2 0
.sfield 88 2 0
.sfield 54 2 0
.sfield 31 2 0
.sfield 94 2 0
.sfield 96 2 0
.sfield 49 2 0
.sfield 70 2 0
.sfield 46 2 0
.sfield 55 2 0
.sfield 45 2 0
.sfield 60 2 0
.sfield 40 2 0
.sfield 41 2 0
.//Change some ships to knight
.sfield 78 2 0
.sfield 79 2 0
.sfield 80 2 0
.//Change some ships to bish
.sfield 73 1 0
.sfield 74 1 0

.//Enable all planes
.eplane 0 0

.//Set all objects to default, then set the ones I want different.
.objdefault
.//bunk barr
.sethardness 13 0.7
.setdowntime 13 5
.//bunk fuel
.sethardness 12 0.7
.setdowntime 12 5
.//bunk ammo
.sethardness 11 0.7
.setdowntime 11 5
.//bunk radar
.sethardness 6 0.7
.setdowntime 6 5
.//bomb hgr
.sethardness 24 1.5
.setdowntime 24 5
.//ftr hgr
.sethardness 23 1.5
.setdowntime 23 5
.//veh hgr
.sethardness 25 1.5
.setdowntime 25 5

.//Set large downtimes on gun bat and gun bat armor.
.setdowntime 28 1200
.setdowntime 38 1200

.//Clear out all shape settings, then set ones I want.
.//hardness number = 6.4 x lbs (e.g., 12800 = 2000 lbs)
.//downtime is in seconds (e.g., 3600 = 1 hour)
.sh clear
.sh set ca ca 4480 72000
.sh set cv cv 8960 72000
.sh set de de 4480 72000

.//Enable all weapons.
.disableweapon -1 -1 -1 1 1
.//Disable the ones I want.
.//B-24J
.disableweapon 80 1 1 0 1
.disableweapon 80 1 3 0 1
.disableweapon 80 1 4 0 1
.disableweapon 80 1 5 0 1

.//Our final wind command.
.wind 24000 0 0 -45

.po CLEAR
.po ADD entpnt 21 00004400 50 474513.50 3000.00 -737903.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 -1
.po ADD entpnt 8 00004400 50 474513.50 3000.00 -737903.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 -1

.//--------------------- end -----------------------
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2018, 02:44:22 AM
A couple of training videos for any attack pilots want them.



Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Registration is open for Leyte, 1944:

https://ahevents.net/index.php/events/target-for-today/current-or-next
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2018, 09:57:13 PM
Devil, we have to move Swareiam to allies to have enough CM's over there.

I and my guys are still in Ki-45's and looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: perdue3 on December 23, 2018, 07:41:03 PM
We need some volunteers to be CO's for each side. I know committing to 12 hours is difficult, so maybe we can get a couple of guys to share the duty? I would advise having an XO or an equal who is willing to perform the necessary tasks while the CO is away during the event.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Guppy35 on December 23, 2018, 11:56:45 PM
Haven't flown in forever as work and home have been crazy.  But I'm off work for the week before the 26th and not back or in demand until the 28th.

I'd like the 38 Group if possible as I think I can find guys to fly.  Any chance of changing it to the 80th as there are more skins to go around?  Also curious as to why the L isn't available as the PTO 38s were mostly on Ls by that time.  Seems like giving folks a choice might be nice for those who prefer the L. 

Might want to consider D-25s for the Jugs as well.  They were in D-23s in September and had the D-25s shortly afterwards.  Range being an issue, it would help the Jug guys.

(https://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/PTOJug_zpsnqhjrjky.jpg) (https://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/PTOJug_zpsnqhjrjky.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 24, 2018, 01:52:35 AM
All of the pictures I saw of P-47's at Tacloban in 1944 were razorbacks.

D-11 has over an hour of endurance at full throttle on the deck, can rpm back to get way more range, and can carry a drop tank if folks want.  I think it will be fine for time aloft.

I looked more at what P-38 groups were at Tacloban.

Adjusted the P-38's to be J's or L's and 49th FS/8th FS, which was at Tacloban and have a P-38L skin.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Shuffler on December 26, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
I have a P-38  :D
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: asterix on December 27, 2018, 02:15:09 AM
Even Santa flew the B-25:

(http://airportjournals.com/wp-content/uploads/0701008_6-300x195.jpg)

38th Bomb Group in action:

(https://www.sunsetters38bg.com/index.php/gallery/image?view=image&format=raw&type=orig&id=114)

(https://www.sunsetters38bg.com/index.php/gallery/image?view=image&format=raw&type=orig&id=122)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 27, 2018, 03:12:39 AM
Nice!  Thanks for pics! <S>!
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on December 30, 2018, 05:22:43 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/zDbyTg4N/Ki-45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mh4Zstbp)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: DaddyAce on December 30, 2018, 05:26:50 PM
Sweet!  Very nice Devil!   :aok
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on December 30, 2018, 05:28:53 PM
Woot!

We will be looking sharp in our Ki-45's!

Thank you, Devil!  :aok
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: TWCAxew on December 31, 2018, 04:49:27 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/zDbyTg4N/Ki-45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mh4Zstbp)

Thank you for the art Devil! I will enjoy flying in it <S>

DutchVII
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on January 06, 2019, 01:39:32 PM
Devil, is there a url from which we can download the skin?
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on January 06, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
I sent it to Ghostdancer. It will be the default on the Luzon terrain.

If you want it for offline. I can email the files to you.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on January 06, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
I sent it to Ghostdancer. It will be the default on the Luzon terrain.

If you want it for offline. I can email the files to you.

That would be great.  I'll send you my e-mail address.

Do you mind if I put them up on my site for the rest of the guys to download?
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Devil 505 on January 06, 2019, 06:20:07 PM
Do you mind if I put them up on my site for the rest of the guys to download?

Sure.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on January 06, 2019, 06:58:03 PM
REAL NICE DEVIL!!!!
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 16, 2019, 08:16:49 PM
FYI the 110 is a terrible idea. I was used as a Ki-45 sub in a FSO a couple of years ago and suffered a horrific mortality rate. Of 35 planes used that month, 27 were shot down for only 10 kills achieved. 6 of which were split between 2 pilots.

Devil you're talking to the guys who didn't care what spitfire was added to the last event...they don't care. They will never care. and these events will continue to suffer till the game goes under.

IF you gave the 110s a real flight lead they may have a chance, but we see already how that will turn out.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 16, 2019, 08:20:50 PM
Actually, I am flying a Ki-45. That's why I asked. :lol  I know that there are much better leaders out there than myself. So we'll see what happens there. But, YES, I am flying a Ki-45. I flew the B-25H in the Rabaul scenario; suburb aircraft to fly and fight in. I welcome the challenge to turn this old warbird into a winner over the Leyte Gulf.

The Registration page determined this was a lie...
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on January 17, 2019, 12:48:48 AM
The Registration page determined this was a lie...

He wanted very much to fly Ki-45's and intended to fly them.

However, all the other CM's wanted to fly axis.

Rather than force Ditto, or Perd, or me to fly allied, he graciously volunteered to be the one to fly allied.

Normally, I would be the one to go to whatever side is needed so that others can fly their sides of choice.  However, as the biggest proponent of the Ki-45/110C, I am flying them and putting my guys into them.  So I was not available to switch this time.

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 17, 2019, 12:53:56 AM
Lol you know all of you could fly for one side. Its not like it matters all that much anyhow, y'alls decision making has never been hampered by sides or by good judgment. In my opinion based on past scenarios.

Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Brooke on January 17, 2019, 01:29:34 AM
Lol you know all of you could fly for one side.

Incorrect.  We have side CM's in recent years.

Also, when the allied side needed a CO, he agreed to do that as well.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Shuffler on January 17, 2019, 05:27:47 AM
The Registration page determined this was a lie...

Slaps Vudu with a dead trout.     :D
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 17, 2019, 06:42:03 PM
Incorrect.  We have side CM's in recent years.

Also, when the allied side needed a CO, he agreed to do that as well.

LOL CMs as COs... I wonder why you guys always seem to have issues getting side COs for your events...If only you could figure out what's causing that.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: perdue3 on January 17, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
LOL CMs as COs... I wonder why you guys always seem to have issues getting side COs for your events...If only you could figure out what's causing that.

CM's for the next Scenario are needed at the moment. Should be fun for 190 pilots  :devil
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: TWCAxew on January 18, 2019, 03:45:51 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 18, 2019, 07:16:05 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 18, 2019, 07:17:25 AM
Observations of event “Pantelleria”

After a back and forth with CMs on the open forums early into the voting stage which took place during the month of June I requested the CO position for the Axis and was denied.

From Brooke by PM dated July 15th, 2018 “Specifically for the CO position, though, after discussion among the CM team, none of the CM's thinks it works well to have an event CO who is completely opposed to that event's system.” This msg was CC’d to Ditto and swareiam.

So during another back and forth with Ditto on the way these events are being run I discovered that Ditto and maybe the rest of the CM team(unsure) are writing events because they want to fly in events. So creating events for their own self interest not for the community...This to me goes against what the CM team is supposed to be, and how it is supposed to operate.

So July 22,2018 JeffN who is a squad member of JG11 who KCDitto is also a member of puts in and gets the CO position. I’ve flown with Jeff several times and have always gotten along with him. It’s comical to me that after I had put in for the position then learned that Ditto is creating events that he wants to fly that he would then either pressure or talk Jeff into taking his first CO slot in AH in his many years of flying in game.

So I put in for a 109 GL spot with Jeff letting him know that if he thought it might be a conflict I understood. He seemed excited and told me that Ditto had called GL for the 109G2s…….this is interesting to me as not even the initial writeup is out yet and the person who wrote the event has selected an a/c and even become the GL of it. (July23)

Then shortly after I learn he already knows what basic mission he has to perform and that of the Allies as well. Again the initial writeup isn’t even out yet and the Axis CO already knows at least what a/c he has and I would guess how many(unsure) and even knows what basic taskset he will have to perform.(July23)

As of July 23rd we have no initial write up and no allied CO and yet planeset and basic mission set have already been given to the Axis CO which in my opinion gives the Axis an unfair advantage at this time. This would be different if the writeup was out already but it isn’t and this is just not the way to start an event.

I have now learned that there is in the works some kind of attack/defense switcheroo in the mix. Where one team will defend and one team will attack then switch roles and do the same. I asked about the bomber pilots and what they will be doing on the frames where our side isn’t attacking and the Axis CO wasn’t sure. The reason for this switch? When they had four frames of defense for the Axis in FSO no one liked it and it didn’t go well. (Of course it didn’t you had to tell people to fly bombers each frame while one side soley got to defend which FSO folks don’t get to sign up for they have to take what’s given to them.) Scenarios are different in that you have a rough idea of what will be going on and so you select a role that goes with what you want to do in the game. Forcing roles by attack and defense is just silly and again takes away from the COs being able to actually run their sides instead of being puppets for the CM that wants your side. (July24th) This idea didn’t happen but that fact that it was in the works shows the planning is taking place ad hoc and with with very little forethought in my opinion.

Weiser has taken the allied CO position (July24th)

I’ve now noticed that each side gets a CM “handler” as I like to call em. Which If I recall in the past didn’t happen you had one CM for the event and this person was neutral and let the game play out. So one of the issues you have is that these CMs can then influence planning toward what they want which to me is not what they are supposed to be doing. They are suppose to give the CO/XO the writeup and may the best team win. Only if some rule issue comes up should the CMs be involved and when they are as neutral parties this gives them the ability to make decisions without appearing biased. (July 25th)

Write Up to tentatively be put out mid August with no set plane lists or missions other than the possible setups from before. Now have learned that both side COs are working with the CM team to write the event BEFORE its let loose for the public.
This amount of bias by CMs that are flying in the event then asking and allowing COs to help write the event is just silly. At this point I was tired of the whole thing and stopped writing what I saw.

One of the last big fights I had was the introduction of the the Spitfire Mk.9 vs Mk.8 debate where I got the best lines I have received so far from brooke which was I don't care what spitfire is in the event I leave that up to you guys to fight about….which is I would say funny but it really isn't as the guy “making” these events you’d think understanding basic abilities of aircraft would be on the of the requirements of the job OR that you would get someone who knows these things.

My final thoughts again are the CMs need to get out of command positions of any kind save those of the CM of the event they should not be taking GL,XO,CO spots that may go to newer pilots so that maybe just maybe you might keep these events alive if the game makes it. And votes on the next few events should be made and then REAL amounts of time should be taken to create good well thought out events. I’m not so crazy as to believe that you won’t have bad events or low turnouts of some of these but if you at least try to put together better events I think what’s left of your old guard of players will see that and feel like participating again.

Before shots are made at me about not making the first frame and then being fired as GL of the 109G6s by Jeff (which was his call and I have no issues with it) Prior to the event we had I think 4 attempts at planning meetings Jeff who was working his tail off in RL forgot about one and had to cancel 2 more. One planning session was made 2 days before the event after some rough ideas on plans which reminded me of FSO orders came down...for a true scenario this is sad. But the person I blame would be the axis handler Ditto I’m not sure how he convinced Jeff to become CO but Jeff had too much going on to be CO of the event. And again Ditto who is a CM should not be working on angles to get a CO with the reason being is you want to fly for that side get a certain ride and then lead that ride as a GL. The CM team has moved away from the true job of the CM which to make the best event they can then allow the sides to learn and plan and fight as they will (within the rules) WITHOUT a CM looking over their shoulder.

Now all you guys on this forum and game can say what you like but I'm here because I want the best event that can be made by humans, allows for fun for both sides and is a challenge.
You have hamstrung any prospective CO from taking on this role by attempting to force combat and not listening to those folks who are affected by your decisions.
Oh and Brooke break your 1-5 love it hate to into categories and have folks specify where and when they fought in game so you MIGHT get a real idea for what stuff you and your "Team" are throwing together. If any single person on this forum would like to speak to me vs this silly thing I' be more than happy to talk I have a discord and I share it freely.

https://discord.gg/zDCk8Zq

Do I hate anyone? No. I'm disappointed that this is the best you think you can do and everyone just loves loves loves what you do...I do not. We can and should do better than just ok.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Spikes on January 18, 2019, 07:37:59 AM
You have P47D11s when they should be D25s If you don't know what planes were in theater you need to ask someone.
Source?
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 18, 2019, 07:54:31 AM
None but that didnt stop them last time.

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Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Spikes on January 18, 2019, 08:06:47 AM
None but
Just checking. :)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 18, 2019, 08:17:52 AM
Just checking. :)
don't worry I've got you. http://ww2f.com/threads/history-of-the-348th-fighter-group.37064/

Sept 1944
The group received enough of the P-47D-23 series to completely equip three squadrons. Experimentation aimed at conserving fuel continued apace by reducing power setting and controlling prop pitches. The new electrical bomb release proved to be a great improvement over the old mechanical type and probably accounted for the 79% bomb-hit average chalked up by the group for the month. A cross-feed in the wing fuel tanks was developed and found to be of considerable aid in keeping the aircraft at a constant “trim”. External tanks not equipped with this pressure feed were found to malfunction above 21,000 feet.
The Special Service section reported an increasing interest in sports and various other sundry activities. Intramural teams were formed in all the Squadrons and a healthy interest has been aroused. The 340th Squadron in particular, is engaged whole-heartily in setting up a program involving the majority of the unit.
The Information and Education section has been instrumental in disseminating news regularly and in sponsoring various programs over the Public address system.
The Group could not count for any additional Nips shot down in aerial combat nor any Nips killed in strafing attacks but did feel that a substantial contribution had been made to the forwarding of the war effort in the SWPA during the month.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: swareiam on January 18, 2019, 11:13:30 AM
Sept 1944
The group received enough of the P-47D-23 series to completely equip three squadrons. Experimentation aimed at conserving fuel continued apace by reducing power setting and controlling prop pitches. The new electrical bomb release proved to be a great improvement over the old mechanical type and probably accounted for the 79% bomb-hit average chalked up by the group for the month. A cross-feed in the wing fuel tanks was developed and found to be of considerable aid in keeping the aircraft at a constant “trim”. External tanks not equipped with this pressure feed were found to malfunction above 21,000 feet.
The Special Service section reported an increasing interest in sports and various other sundry activities. Intramural teams were formed in all the Squadrons and a healthy interest has been aroused. The 340th Squadron in particular, is engaged whole-heartily in setting up a program involving the majority of the unit.
The Information and Education section has been instrumental in disseminating news regularly and in sponsoring various programs over the Public address system.
The Group could not count for any additional Nips shot down in aerial combat nor any Nips killed in strafing attacks but did feel that a substantial contribution had been made to the forwarding of the war effort in the SWPA during the month.

Actually, I wanted the D25. But the earlier version of the event won out over my version, which was completely fine. But, I think there is enough source information available not to have to ask a specific source for approval or permission to use a specific aircraft in an event. These are some fairly well educated and bright gentlemen developing these events. I don't see where belittling their capabilities in developing a story for an event helps.

(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/0/5abd28a0-7df8-49ec-ab20-30c750317ce3-original.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)

The D-23 may have some of the capabilities of the D-25, but it is still a Razorback, so we use what we have available. A long litany of responses doesn't help either. I think most folks just enjoy flying in the events and don't really care too much for design aspects, maybe five or eight out of eighty plus. But in general, our plan is to "get close" and "keep it fun" for everyone. The best merge of balance and history as we can possibly make it.

Those choosing not to have fun are doing just that...
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: perdue3 on January 18, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
The Jug decision is a judgement call from the designer. The D-23 is just about in between a D-11 and D-25. It enjoys the -59 engine, but not the bubble canopy. It has the strengthened spars, but not the extra fuel capacity. Its performance above 25k is superior to the D-11, but the alt cap is 24k. Both subs, in this case, could be well defended and countered.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 18, 2019, 06:01:24 PM
Lol yeah I'd avoid those last couple of messages too if I had the whole scenario thing tied up in a bag.

Your justification for a 24K alt cap in this event is not right you rob the allies of obvious advantages while stifling gameplay overall due to a dumbing down of the event. If the axis dont know not to fight at 30k then shame on them, the bombers are at 18K thats where the fight will be.

I was considering the KI61s myself they will struggle after 22-24k so I might hang out at maybe 25-27k any allies show up you drop down to 20-22K if they wanna follow you great when your fighters show up at 30k they can jump em.

The CM team continues to try to force combat by regulating sides and planes into boxes and not allowing devlopment of leaders and pilots in game to be challenged and meet problems they haven't seen before. You are killing your events slowly smothering them with this dumbing down.

By the end you'll just have a snapshot. But I guess you aughta get it while you can.

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Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today &quot;Leyte, 1944&quot; for end of January
Post by: asterix on January 19, 2019, 02:51:25 AM
Lol yeah I'd avoid those last couple of messages too if I had the whole scenario thing tied up in a bag.

Your justification for a 24K alt cap in this event is not right you rob the allies of obvious advantages while stifling gameplay overall due to a dumbing down of the event. If the axis dont know not to fight at 30k then shame on them, the bombers are at 18K thats where the fight will be.

I was considering the KI61s myself they will struggle after 22-24k so I might hang out at maybe 25-27k any allies show up you drop down to 20-22K if they wanna follow you great when your fighters show up at 30k they can jump em.

The CM team continues to try to force combat by regulating sides and planes into boxes and not allowing devlopment of leaders and pilots in game to be challenged and meet problems they haven't seen before. You are killing your events slowly smothering them with this dumbing down.

By the end you'll just have a snapshot. But I guess you aughta get it while you can.

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At the same time allowing devlopment of leaders and pilots in game to be challenged and meet problems they haven't seen before is exactly what is being done right now. You can`t just use your technical performance advantages, but you have to face new challenges and how to use teamwork to get the enemy where you want them to be etc. Maybe attack targets before the enemy can even climb to max altitude so alt cap would not matter. This was done in Kuban Scenario when A20 group hit the city object NOE right at the beginning. Of course doing that caused a ruckus on the Luftwaffe side because they were climbing somewhere and not thinking about such possibility. At the same time last minute attack and cease fire hiding is likely never to happen again due to the uproar it created. Sure there are many ways to do things, but assaulting posts that get censored, signing up and then bailing on your guys without saying anything, trying to change the event without having part of it for some time etc do not seem like the way to go.

I am kind of curious what someone who is very critical towards current system could do as a side CO. There seems to be some real energy and determination to beat someone at their own game and he/she could bring people in who avoid current events. At the same time there is a danger that the opposers could just complain and bail. I think I personally understand leadership decisions made for Pantelleria.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: SlipKnt on January 21, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Registered!

 :airplane:

Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Vudu15 on January 21, 2019, 06:45:22 PM
The Jug decision is a judgement call from the "designer"...

You can only dance around that so long, your name is on it. Own it. You're one of the designers. Enjoy it. revel in it. enjoy all the perks it brings with it.

I mean it's an awesome racket, write the events you want to fly in, pick and fly the planes you want to fly in, use ambiguous terms to dodge items like "the designer". Use speed charts to show why you picked planes for fights. I mean it's a great time to be alive as a CM team member.

Anyhow have fun.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: perdue3 on January 22, 2019, 09:56:21 AM
You can only dance around that so long, your name is on it. Own it. You're one of the designers. Enjoy it. revel in it. enjoy all the perks it brings with it.

I mean it's an awesome racket, write the events you want to fly in, pick and fly the planes you want to fly in, use ambiguous terms to dodge items like "the designer". Use speed charts to show why you picked planes for fights. I mean it's a great time to be alive as a CM team member.

Anyhow have fun.

You have an extremely skewed view of how this works. If I honestly decided what event would be ran every time, we would never leave the Eastern Front or enter 1943.
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Guppy35 on January 22, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
You have an extremely skewed view of how this works. If I honestly decided what event would be ran every time, we would never leave the Eastern Front or enter 1943.

You do understand the great irony in your comment I trust.  Nice to see you've seen the light :)
Title: Re: Announcing Target For Today "Leyte, 1944" for end of January
Post by: Brooke on January 28, 2019, 02:49:33 AM
Ki-45's/Bf 110C's turned out to be fine attack planes.

Ki-45's had an average (over the event) of about 4-5 pilots.  They destroyed 29 bunkers, sank 29 ships, had 27 successful strafes, and generated 202 points for the Emperor's Imperial Japanese Army Air Forces.

Thank you, Devil, for the Ki-45 skin that made us look sharp as well!  :aok