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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Vraciu on September 03, 2019, 01:41:21 PM
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I'm working on updating this skin but am finding photos hard to come by. One source says Grosshuesch always painted the number 33 on his airplane but all the profiles I've found of his P-51 show the number 10 on the tail. Can anyone help me out?
https://books.google.com/books?id=UywVDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=Leroy+Grosshuesch+P-51+Little+Girl&source=bl&ots=tfjV5jgofU&sig=ACfU3U3nNT6TKBlSWdAhjMqK2aYGetm_Rg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy-Nn_o7XkAhVJOq0KHbhwAD4Q6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=Leroy%20Grosshuesch%20P-51%20Little%20Girl&f=false
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Close as I can get you.
It may be a mistake with the number 33 being on all his planes from that link. Per one profile I have the #10 is reserved for the CO. Maybe they meant #10?
http://cobraintheclouds.com/colonelleegrosshuesch.html
(https://i.imgur.com/RsUknYg.jpg)
The profiles from this book are not always 100% accurate as you can see the font is not a match to the photo above.
(https://i.imgur.com/BEhLKhK.jpg)
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Close enough. Thanks.
The 33 is visible on pictures of his P-47. Maybe they meant those and not the Mustang.
Thanks a lot.
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Close enough. Thanks.
The 33 is visible on pictures of his P-47. Maybe they meant those and not the Mustang.
Thanks a lot.
Per the profile he had two jugs #33 was his first # 10 was his second.
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Per the profile he had two jugs #33 was his first # 10 was his second.
That would explain it. The profile I posted may just be wrong/unclear. Thanks again.
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Thought I had seen this photo before.
(https://i.imgur.com/YBkG830.jpg)
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Nice one.
This shows the referenced 33.
I'm going with the 10.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=31768)
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Close as I can get you.
It may be a mistake with the number 33 being on all his planes from that link. Per one profile I have the #10 is reserved for the CO. Maybe they meant #10?
http://cobraintheclouds.com/colonelleegrosshuesch.html
(https://i.imgur.com/RsUknYg.jpg)
The profiles from this book are not always 100% accurate as you can see the font is not a match to the photo above.
(https://i.imgur.com/BEhLKhK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RsUknYg.jpg)
The profile shows the black bordering the blue on the nose going all the way around but the photo seems to indicate it is only on the area in front of the nose art and exhaust stack. What say you?
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Another research photo from SAS 1946 dot com. LIttle Girl is second from the left. Different blue shading... but it's the second photo that matches what Lyric found.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1959c6a9e1f99200eac701e48fc1e2ac3e9d32dc94e52612b1e053d7a147d2405g.jpg)
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In Kagero's Fighters Over Japan Part II (https://www.shop.kagero.pl/en/fighters-over-japan-part-ii.html) paint decals sets, it also has Leroy's P-51's exact colour scheme. Those guys are a little nutty over the accuracy of their stuff.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=31770)
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In Kagero's Fighters Over Japan Part II (https://www.shop.kagero.pl/en/fighters-over-japan-part-ii.html) paint decals sets, it also has Leroy's P-51's exact colour scheme. Those guys are a little nutty over the accuracy of their stuff.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=31770)
Where do they source their conclusions?
I'm really focused now on the blue aft of the spinner. The profiles all show the black border going all the way around the nose but the photo seems to show something different.
Any thoughts?
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(https://i.imgur.com/RsUknYg.jpg)
The profile shows the black bordering the blue on the nose going all the way around but the photo seems to indicate it is only on the area in front of the nose art and exhaust stack. What say you?
Found a cleaner image pretty much explains it's self. Solid line different thickness all around except top half?
Also looks like blue tips on prop then yellow further in.
(https://i.imgur.com/iSG0jTe.jpg)
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Found a cleaner image pretty much explains it's self. Solid line different thickness all around except top half?
Also looks like blue tips on prop then yellow further in.
(https://i.imgur.com/iSG0jTe.jpg)
Thanks. :aok
Yeah, the top half doesn’t have the black border. That’s really odd.
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That photo also shows different wing bands than I had. Looks like black-white-black on the airplane next to Little Girl. Can’t quite see the subject airplane’s as well.
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It looks like the crew member who painted the words Little Girl, then used the same paint to broaden and darken the forward boarder line to give a visual continuity to the letters. Visually it gives the size of the letter script a boarder to help it look like it belongs in that spot. Kind of like hand painted signs on houses and buildings in the US during that era. The painter framed the picture which helps draw your eye to the letters. Contrast that to the rest of the tarmac line up and you see the standard boarder is the thinner less obvious boarder line.
I think the authors of some of the color profile plates either never saw this large closeup picture or, themselves wanted aesthetic continuity versus faithful historic reproduction. Given the angle of the sun based on the prop shadow and what we know about the smoothness of the skin cross section at the juncture the line is following. That is not a shadow but an intentional widening of the line.
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It looks like the crew member who painted the words Little Girl, then used the same paint to broaden and darken the forward boarder line to give a visual continuity to the letters. Visually it gives the size of the letter script a boarder to help it look like it belongs in that spot. Kind of like hand painted signs on houses and buildings in the US during that era. The painter framed the picture which helps draw your eye to the letters. Contrast that to the rest of the tarmac line up and you see the standard boarder is the thinner less obvious boarder line.
I think the authors of some of the color profile plates either never saw this large closeup picture or, themselves wanted aesthetic continuity versus faithful historic reproduction. Given the angle of the sun based on the prop shadow and what we know about the smoothness of the skin cross section at the juncture the line is following. That is not a shadow but an intentional widening of the line.
Makes sense. I think you are correct.
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This link has a ton of potentially relevant photos in it. I can’t see past the watermark can anyone else?
http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=19475
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It looks like the crew member who painted the words Little Girl, then used the same paint to broaden and darken the forward boarder line to give a visual continuity to the letters. Visually it gives the size of the letter script a boarder to help it look like it belongs in that spot. Kind of like hand painted signs on houses and buildings in the US during that era. The painter framed the picture which helps draw your eye to the letters. Contrast that to the rest of the tarmac line up and you see the standard boarder is the thinner less obvious boarder line.
I think the authors of some of the color profile plates either never saw this large closeup picture or, themselves wanted aesthetic continuity versus faithful historic reproduction. Given the angle of the sun based on the prop shadow and what we know about the smoothness of the skin cross section at the juncture the line is following. That is not a shadow but an intentional widening of the line.
What it looks like to me is that the panels with the bold border were taken from a different airplane. This photo may not show the original "Little Girl" but a replacement airframe where those panels were transferred from the original.
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What it looks like to me is that the panels with the bold border were taken from a different airplane. This photo may not show the original "Little Girl" but a replacement airframe where those panels were transferred from the original.
A definite possibility.
So which way should I skin it?
According to one source His original P-51 was damaged and he switched to another in which he scored his last victory. That could be this one.
July 30, 1945 - “I had sunk the destroyer, but my poor P-51 was so riddled with shrapnel and debris from the explosion that it had to be scrapped.” - Lee Grosshuesch
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A definite possibility.
So which way should I skin it?
According to one source His original P-51 was damaged and he switched to another in which he scored his last victory. That could be this one.
Tough call. On one hand, there only seems to be photo reference for this plane as seen here. On the other, drawing an accurate, but inconsistent black border will seriously trigger some OCD.
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Tough call. On one hand, there only seems to be photo reference for this plane as seen here. On the other, drawing an accurate, but inconsistent black border will seriously trigger some OCD.
Lol! No doubt! :rofl
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So what, authenticity is up held if you go with his first P51 or the second where the panels were added on from the first P51. You have a picture of the second P51 while you would have to conjecture that the boarder line on the first P51 was thicker visa the ground crew who painted the lettering for Little Girl. If the supposition is true that the panels were recovered from the first P51. And if a cow is launched over it, you have grounds to pound the cow launcer with your choice of authenticity. At this point in the history of AH3, other than skinners, do you really think anyone will notice.....
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So what, authenticity is up held if you go with his first P51 or the second where the panels were added on from the first P51. You have a picture of the second P51 while you would have to conjecture that the boarder line on the first P51 was thicker visa the ground crew who painted the lettering for Little Girl. If the supposition is true that the panels were recovered from the first P51. And if a cow is launched over it, you have grounds to pound the cow launcer with your choice of authenticity. At this point in the history of AH3, other than skinners, do you really think anyone will notice.....
Lol, true.
I just want to get it right. This is the maddening part of doing some of these skins. The source material is often lacking. Drives me nuts but it is what we are stuck with. I suppose conjecture comes in either way one goes here.
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Lol, true.
I just want to get it right. This is the maddening part of doing some of these skins. The source material is often lacking. Drives me nuts but it is what we are stuck with. I suppose conjecture comes in either way one goes here.
I remember when doing research on several airplanes a while back, it drove me nuts that a picture would show the aircraft painted one way, and another photo shows another of the exact same aircraft but with variances from the original photo we were using as main reference. For one aircraft, it was when they were transferred to a new location and the airplane got a different paint scheme...then it hit me, specific timeframes impact the aircraft paintjob. We had one pilot who went through FOUR Mustangs in a matter of a year. Each one looked a little different - it drove us nuts.
So - I guess the question is Vraciu - do we paint on a general impression of the aircraft based on the pictures to represent the pilot and his bird, or do we focus on a specific timeframe on a particular aircraft? Given the swath of info of certain well documented pilots (like Lee) do we just pick a picture, a series of pictures, or just pick a date and run with it?
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Agree. Guys with long careers had airplanes that changed dramatically over time. George Preddy’s CRIPES series is a perfect example.
In Lee’s case, there may be more evidence photographically but it isn’t anywhere I can find it, so it becomes a SWAG.
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I remember when doing research on several airplanes a while back, it drove me nuts that a picture would show the aircraft painted one way, and another photo shows another of the exact same aircraft but with variances from the original photo we were using as main reference. For one aircraft, it was when they were transferred to a new location and the airplane got a different paint scheme...then it hit me, specific timeframes impact the aircraft paintjob. We had one pilot who went through FOUR Mustangs in a matter of a year. Each one looked a little different - it drove us nuts.
So - I guess the question is Vraciu - do we paint on a general impression of the aircraft based on the pictures to represent the pilot and his bird, or do we focus on a specific timeframe on a particular aircraft? Given the swath of info of certain well documented pilots (like Lee) do we just pick a picture, a series of pictures, or just pick a date and run with it?
I have a very similar situation with a P-40 I'm working on. One photo shows the plane's port side from early in it's career with simple U.S. roundels and another photo shows the same plane later with U.S. roundels with white bars and more elaborate theater markings - on the starboard side. Also, the kill tally shown on each side is different.
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This should help with your decision making found a reference for Little Girl 1946 the image was taken. A lot of changes would have taken place from the end of the war to the aircraft in the image below. Personally I think from the link you posted of the photos during the war of the other planes I would think that is probably the most correct version.
Make it like the profile. :aok
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-15-daniels-album-irumagawa-afb-1946-35th-fighter-group-56219779.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=06E118E3-80D3-40D1-8DB3-37BA2B437EB9&p=295776&n=30&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3Dbar%26st%3D0%26sortby%3D2%26qt%3D35th%2520fighter%2520group%26qt_raw%3D35th%2520fighter%2520group%26qn%3D%26lic%3D3%26edrf%3D0%26mr%3D0%26pr%3D0%26aoa%3D1%26creative%3D%26videos%3D%26nu%3D%26ccc%3D%26bespoke%3D%26apalib%3D%26ag%3D0%26hc%3D0%26et%3D0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3D0%26loc%3D0%26ot%3D0%26imgt%3D0%26dtfr%3D%26dtto%3D%26size%3D0xFF%26blackwhite%3D%26cutout%3D%26archive%3D1%26name%3D%26groupid%3D%26pseudoid%3D%26userid%3D%26id%3D%26a%3D%26xstx%3D0%26cbstore%3D1%26resultview%3DsortbyPopular%26lightbox%3D%26gname%3D%26gtype%3D%26apalic%3D%26tbar%3D1%26pc%3D%26simid%3D%26cap%3D1%26customgeoip%3D%26vd%3D0%26cid%3D%26pe%3D%26so%3D%26lb%3D%26pl%3D0%26plno%3D%26fi%3D0%26langcode%3Den%26upl%3D0%26cufr%3D%26cuto%3D%26howler%3D%26cvrem%3D0%26cvtype%3D0%26cvloc%3D0%26cl%3D0%26upfr%3D%26upto%3D%26primcat%3D%26seccat%3D%26cvcategory%3D*
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In that case Lyric/Vraciu - would it be a simple light blue ring around the nose cone just behind the prop then instead of a black one?
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In that case Lyric/Vraciu - would it be a simple light blue ring around the nose cone just behind the prop then instead of a black one?
Could be.
Thanks everyone for the input. I wasn’t aware the closeup was from ‘46.
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My grandfather was the mechanic on this plane in WWII. He was part of the Occupational Force and I have two photos of of this plane sitting on a tarmac 1 with my Grandfather and the Pilot as well as one with the plane on its own and the Tail number is clearly 33. I also somewhat disagree with the color of the two stripes and what they cross through etc they look, in black and white like if they were blue they would be light colored, I was guessing them as yellow because of how light they appear in the black and white photos. I am including an incomplete screenshot of the plane. Please credit the Taggart family if there is any public use of the photo. Please note the outline around the Text "Little Girl" Also note the color outline that runs around the canopy just below it which appears to be the same color as the two angled stripes and the apparently very light colored or white line that runs around the fuselage where the black stripes meet the aluminum color as well as the US Army Air corps star how the white bars that generally are shown forming a circle a bit outside of the star are actually very close to or are actually touching the tips of the starts fore and aft. I am adding more screenshots. Also the "portrayed as blue" area just aft of the propeller cone has a much thinner and tapered dark separating line than is shown in many of the illustrations seen in the above replys with links and what not.
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My grandfather was the mechanic on this plane in WWII. He was part of the Occupational Force and I have two photos of of this plane sitting on a tarmac 1 with my Grandfather and the Pilot as well as one with the plane on its own and the Tail number is clearly 33. I also somewhat disagree with the color of the two stripes and what they cross through etc they look, in black and white like if they were blue they would be light colored, I was guessing them as yellow because of how light they appear in the black and white photos. I am including an incomplete screenshot of the plane. Please credit the Taggart family if there is any public use of the photo. Please note the outline around the Text "Little Girl" Also note the color outline that runs around the canopy just below it which appears to be the same color as the two angled stripes and the apparently very light colored or white line that runs around the fuselage where the black stripes meet the aluminum color as well as the US Army Air corps star how the white bars that generally are shown forming a circle a bit outside of the star are actually very close to or are actually touching the tips of the starts fore and aft. I am adding more screenshots. Also the "portrayed as blue" area just aft of the propeller cone has a much thinner and tapered dark separating line than is shown in many of the illustrations seen in the above replys with links and what not.
Very nice. :aok
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Excellent info. Many thanks. I will use this for my next update.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34680)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34682)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34684)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34685)
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Thank you.
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Excellent info. Many thanks. I will use this for my next update.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34680)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34682)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34684)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34685)
I'm tackling this one. Can I get some feedback on the nose color? Blue or yellow?
See the nose art for a hint.
Here is the quote from the gent who provided the photos:
My grandfather was the mechanic on this plane in WWII. He was part of the Occupational Force and I have two photos of of this plane sitting on a tarmac 1 with my Grandfather and the Pilot as well as one with the plane on its own and the Tail number is clearly 33. I also somewhat disagree with the color of the two stripes and what they cross through etc they look, in black and white like if they were blue they would be light colored, I was guessing them as yellow because of how light they appear in the black and white photos. I am including an incomplete screenshot of the plane. Please credit the Taggart family if there is any public use of the photo. Please note the outline around the Text "Little Girl" Also note the color outline that runs around the canopy just below it which appears to be the same color as the two angled stripes and the apparently very light colored or white line that runs around the fuselage where the black stripes meet the aluminum color as well as the US Army Air corps star how the white bars that generally are shown forming a circle a bit outside of the star are actually very close to or are actually touching the tips of the starts fore and aft. I am adding more screenshots. Also the "portrayed as blue" area just aft of the propeller cone has a much thinner and tapered dark separating line than is shown in many of the illustrations seen in the above replys with links and what not.
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I think it could be blue just a bit lighter than the artist rendering that I was looking at in some of the links that were included. Certainly not a dark blue given the lightness compared to the black on the plane. My guess was always yellow before seeing this thread so take that for what it is worth. If there is a good source that says it was blue go blue but keep it light not so dark as some of the renderings or artwork that had links IMO.
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Here is the blue I have at the moment. I have not changed the tail number yet nor added the nose art backing color... I also need to use my metal version 5 as I think this is using version 3. Once I get the markings nailed down I can transfer them over to a better metal template.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35184)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35186)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35188)
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Here is my original for comparison.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,398007.msg5275393.html#msg5275393
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398007.0;attach=31781)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398007.0;attach=31785)
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Another nice improvement.
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Another nice improvement.
Thank you. Any thoughts on the colors based on the new photos above?
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The colors look fine.
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The colors look fine.
So we agree the nose is blue?
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So we agree the nose is blue?
That's my opinion. Reference that color photo of the P-39 with the blue spinner. That blue would probably contrast pretty highly with black.
Now that I think about it, perhaps your blue could be a bit lighter.
Also, wouldn't the spinner color be related to the squadron? Are other squadron P-51's also blue?
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:aok
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I prefer the toned down blue you have now, was a little too bright before I think.
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A fine study of a colorful aircraft. I like the new, dustier blue as well.
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Thank guys.
So we are sure it is blue?
Also, there appears to be a demarcation stripe ahead of the first black fuselage band. Would that be white?
See the photos on page 3.
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The band in font of the stripe looks darker than the white of the star insignia. Couldn't be masking tape though, as it passes underneath the diagonal blue stripes.
The lower canopy frame appears to be trimmed in the same color as the diagonal stripes, in the photo.
I wonder if could be a lighter blue, like the blue of "Fragile but Agile" - I think they are both from the same FG.
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Good catch on the canopy frame.
Maybe the vertical stripe is just fresh white.
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I think that canopy stripe runs all the way up the nose...under the anti-glare.
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I think that canopy stripe runs all the way up the nose...under the anti-glare.
Could be - Vivacious Virgin from the 370th was like that - sort of a border tirm to the antiglare paint.
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So, I did find other aircraft in the squadron that had the blue below the anti-glare.
Here's where the mystery deepens. On 30 July 1945 his airplane was so badly damaged during an attack on a Japanese ship that it had to be scrapped. He scored his final victory (8) on 12 August 1945 in a different Mustang.
The pictures above show a serial number that is different from the commonly cited Squadron #10 which was S/N 44-64124. Could ship #33 be the aircraft that was damaged and scrapped? I cannot make out the serial number in the photo in page 3 but it looks like a 47 not a 46. Could we be transposing airplanes and #33 is in fact the SECOND airplane and it was #10 / 44-64124 that was scrapped?
(The bordering could always have been added later I suppose.)
Also compare the nose art between these two:
BORDERED:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34680) (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34684)
UNBORDERED (???):
[CLICK TO ENLARGE]
(https://i.imgur.com/iSG0jTe.jpg)
I also cannot see any victory markings. I continue to be amazed at how often the photographers zoomed in just enough to miss an important detail (like the side of the fuselage below the canopy where the kill flags would be) that would solve some riddle for us. :bhead
Regardless, here is where we are for now.
Metal Version 3 (I've uploaded this for the next update while we sort out the markings):
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35198)
Metal Version 5 (I still have to adjust the fuselage insignia and weathering as well as a handful of other details):
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35196)
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Are there any definite photos of #10?
I'm thinking that every photo here that has the "Little Girl" script is #33
The black pinstripe that borders the blue on the nose is very thick only on the panel with the script, suggesting that it came from another aircraft.
All photos here where the wings are visible have only two black stripes on the wings, not three.
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The two diagonal blue stripes don't appear to extend down below the wing's trailing edge:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=34685)
Interesting to - looks like they added a white stripe between the two black stripes.
I wouldn't doubt both looks are correct - just at different time frames.
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Two stripes not three, so the inboard on each wing comes off ?
The black pinstripe on the cowling definitely doesn't match the panel which leads me to believe it was transferred.
Perhaps Lyric can find a photo of #10. I've not been able to.
Good catch on the blue stripes.
This one is a tough nut to crack.
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Two stripes not three, so the inboard on each wing comes off ?
The black pinstripe on the cowling definitely doesn't match the panel which leads me to believe it was transferred.
Perhaps Lyric can find a photo of #10. I've not been able to.
Good catch on the blue stripes.
This one is a tough nut to crack.
This one?
https://ww2db.com/images/50f905782dec1.jpg
(https://i.imgur.com/M45c7tSh.jpg)
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That's the one, bro. Thank you. :cheers:
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That's the one, bro. Thank you. :cheers:
Are you sure that #10 is form the right squadron? The tail is vastly different from the skin you made. There are not red and white stripes on the rudder and the first digit on the 10 is on the rudder.
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Are you sure that #10 is form the right squadron? The tail is vastly different from the skin you made. There are not red and white stripes on the rudder and the first digit on the 10 is on the rudder.
Same Group but different squadron.
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Looking great!
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Looking great!
Thanks, W. Still working on tweaking it as we work through the photo evidence.
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Should I skin this with the scoreboard intact? 7 victories or 8? He had seven when his original Mustang got damaged and was scrapped. I still don't know if there ever even was a #10 but we DO know there is a #33.
I can't really make out any victory markings on the long shot but the one with the mechanic has a dark area behind his head toward the left edge of the photo. Could that be the scoreboard?
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So here is where it stands now. I'm still uncertain about the serial number. I think I should remove one victory flag for a total of 7 since he got his 8th *AFTER* his original plane was scrapped. I'll work on the spec maps once we finalize the markings. Those diagonal stripes were a MFer because of how the wing attaches to the fuselage in the 3D model. Ugh. :bhead
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35222)
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Very nice.
I do see a few details on the tail inconsistent with the reference photos in this thread.
1. I don't see the white area surrounding the #33 in any reference.
2. The serial number was over-painted on the rudder with the red and white stripes, based on the reference.
Other than these, it's perfect.
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Good catch. I'll tweak it some more. Thanks a lot.
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Very nice.
I do see a few details on the tail inconsistent with the reference photos in this thread.
1. I don't see the white area surrounding the #33 in any reference.
2. The serial number was over-painted on the rudder with the red and white stripes, based on the reference.
Other than these, it's perfect.
This begs the question... Other Mustangs in the group photo with Little Girl in the foreground have those markings (as do other planes in the squadron). Can we not presume they were applied later?
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397875.0;attach=35226)
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Also the s/n appears to be 44-73××××. 473 is what it looks like.
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Also the s/n appears to be 44-73××××. 473 is what it looks like.
On my phone it looks like 472 to me the first three.
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@Vraciu I think it looks good just a few minor tweaks to go. Those two lines are a bit off from my grandpa's pics and I think (IMO) there is a colored trim just below the canopy and of course the tail number. The color is probably close enough. It makes me wonder if there is a way to use a Black and white to figure out a specific shade of a color? :airplane: :cool:
Regards,
Chris
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This begs the question... Other Mustangs in the group photo with Little Girl in the foreground have those markings (as do other planes in the squadron). Can we not presume they were applied later?
You could presume that, but that would mean that every other marking was painted except the blue lines surrounding the tail number (I've not seen any with the white background in photos), even though the same blue paint was used on the nose, fuselage and rudder. That's pretty thin.
Perhaps the blue lines are too thin to show properly in such a blurry photo? So, at the very least ditch the white background.
Also, the serial looks like it could start with 475 also. really too blurry to tell for sure.
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It makes me wonder if there is a way to use a Black and white to figure out a specific shade of a color? :airplane: :cool:
No you can't. And don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise. All colors will look the identical in black and white if their brightness and saturation values are the same.
Even trying to infer two adjacent colors based on their contrast can lead to mistakes, ala the 109F depicted with the red upper cowling even though it was two slightly different shades of yellow in reality.
Here's a perfect example of how black and white can render the same colors differently on the same aircraft from shot to shot. Look that the emblem in these two pictures.
(https://i.imgur.com/lTYTGuSh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/21lwMY7h.jpg)
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@Vraciu I think it looks good just a few minor tweaks to go. Those two lines are a bit off from my grandpa's pics and I think (IMO) there is a colored trim just below the canopy and of course the tail number. The color is probably close enough. It makes me wonder if there is a way to use a Black and white to figure out a specific shade of a color? :airplane: :cool:
Regards,
Chris
So you *DO* see the blue trim above and below the 33 on the tail?