Two bio-weapon labs in Wuhan. :noid
The media hypes everything. It's their business model. For example TDS saved the New York Times from bankruptcy three years ago.
The "normal" flu kills thousands of people in the US every year. Wash your hands.
Latest:
Chicom Govt has closed regional schools until mid March..
Dead, 44 to 132, and 1500 more active cases overnight..
Chicom Govt refuses assistance from US CDC scientists..
New cases in UAE, India, British Airways has suspended flights from China..
CDC says the virus is Un-contained on the US west coast..
Local story, Major Problems are expected in Seattle, due to the number of
Chinese students at UW, and the terrible sanitary conditions on the streets..
Chinese authorities are consuming 100,000 Hazmat suits a day..
Far outstripping production..
Damn Socialists.
The common cold is a corona virus. I wouldn't worry.
Remember swine fly, SARS, and MERS?
Latest:
170 confirmed dead..
5 verified cases, 170 cases "pending" in USA...
I guess that means possible but not verified yet..
Chicom Govt, threatens 7yrs imprisonment, for posting any info
about the virus spread online, without Govt approval..
Chicom Govt, says cases identified in every province and region of China..
Russia says it will close it's 2,600 mile border with China..
China refuses evacuation of Taiwan citizens..
Jet carrying American evacuees from Wuhan, diverted from Ontario
international, to isolation facilities, at Air Nat Guard base in Cali..
Australia, preparing quarantine on remote Christmas island..
A personal friend, Active US Army at Ft Lewis, told me yesterday that
they had a company meeting in the Barracks day room.. They were told
to stock up on supplies for their families, and be ready to shelter in place..
Possible alert coming for medical units..
Another friend, works near Seatac airport, said it is looking like an
airplane parking lot..
I hope you washed before typing or we'll all have it.
The vaccine is a cold Corona.
I'm not going to get too concerned until I start feeling a pull towards Las Vegas.
Wiley.
Might as well shut down all the $1 stores too, that place is loaded with crap from china. Infection spread from $1 super fun happy pony packaged toy
I'm not going to get too concerned until I start feeling a pull towards Las Vegas.
Wiley.
:rofl
They are trying to build a 1000 bed hospital in ONE week. Sound like panic?I hope their construction standards are higher for hospitals then the rest of the crap they make/build, if not, I’d soon take my chances with the bat flu
Or maybe they are just digging mass graves. Isn't this how every zombie movie starts?
I hope their construction standards are higher for hospitals then the rest of the crap they make/build, if not, I’d soon take my chances with the bat flu
M-O-O-N. That spells Corona. Lawdy, yes!
M-O-O-N. That spells Corona. Lawdy, yes!
Also, anyone else find Corana the beer to be absolutely foul?
:aok
Don't tell me. I'll tell you!
I'm not going to get too concerned until I start feeling a pull towards Las Vegas.LOL! Nice book reference
Wiley.
Also, anyone else find Corana the beer to be absolutely foul?
We're a bit overdue for a biggie..
Complications from pneumonia combined with the elderly seem to be the predominate group of fatalities. Isn’t that us here on the bbs? Well get your pneumonia inoculations, they’re paid for by Medicare. Had mine, so more worried the virus will mutate in the western world and impact my kids and grandkids.
Coronagraph is a software tool used to mask out unwanted stars in astro-photography. Useful especially to capture photos of planets around a star.
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I’m hoping sales of Corona beer plummet and then go on sale :x
Margaritas? Why yes, yes they do. :D
Well you cant fly on 1 wing now can you!
:salute
i find no evidence us is buying all food except in conspiracy sites. Amazon still has plenty of vendors willing to sell you dried crap. or you can always go to conspiracy sites and buy their stuff.
10,000 dead at least every year in the usa alone of the flu. 2018 it was up to 80,000. think about this. do you worry about it?
semp
99% of those deaths are old geezers who had one foot in the grave anyway and infants who haven't developed immunity systems yet.
When something starts whacking people in their prime it gets a little scarier.
Most threats never come to fruition, until they do. Complacency can kill too. There were lots on the Titanic that didn't even bother getting into the first life rafts because they though it was all over blown scare mongering. Besides it was cold out there and thousands of ships sail across the Atlantic every year with no problems. It's nothing. Let's have another brandy. ;)
i am one of those old gizzards. hang out around an American legion or a vfw. you might learn a thing or two about living.
Anyone else feeling a strange urge to go to Las Vegas, I’m not even into gambling or shows
, it’s odd really.
I don't understand about the food thing. If you want long term survival food what is wrong with rice, beans, and canned goods? You could do what Brooke did: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,374259.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,374259.0.html)
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LoL. Or maybe just good old American self-sufficiency. Not too long ago, that's what relatives of mine's cellars probably looked like. I remember my Grandmother always canning something.
i am one of those old gizzards. hang out around an American legion or a vfw. you might learn a thing or two about living.
semp
Here's the reason the Wuhan virus is concerning.
It's because it has a much higher lethality rate than normal flu, no available vaccine, a transmission rate that isn't negligible, and an as-yet unknown peak number of infections.
Maybe it ends up like SARS or MERS -- two other viral respiratory diseases that are more lethal than flu but did not cause world-wide pandemics.
But maybe it becomes a huge problem.
We won't know yet.
Too many Coronas, Semp.
US wouldnt have a lot of supply issues if they would of never sent the jobs to China to begin with
Actually, nCov has ten times the death rate of flu. It is not a slightly worse flu. Typical flu death rate is on the order of 0.1%. nCov death rate using the numbers out of China is 1-2%.
I'll take a slice of Lyme disease with my Corona virus, thank you.
Meanwhile back at the Ranch.......
From the CDC Two days ago;
26 million cases of Influenza
250,000 hospitalizations
14,000 Deaths
Where is all the whimpering Statistics, Rumors, and Fear Mongering?
Obviously the Cabal & Pentavirate must be silencing the masses here too!?
Meanwhile back at the Ranch.......
From the CDC Two days ago;
26 million cases of Influenza
250,000 hospitalizations
14,000 Deaths
Where is all the whimpering Statistics, Rumors, and Fear Mongering?
Obviously the Cabal & Pentavirate must be silencing the masses here too!?
Meanwhile back at the Ranch.......
From the CDC Two days ago;
26 million cases of Influenza
250,000 hospitalizations
14,000 Deaths
Where is all the whimpering Statistics, Rumors, and Fear Mongering?
Obviously the Cabal & Pentavirate must be silencing the masses here too!?
Lot's of folks wonder if China's official data is fudged. Most of that is based on anecdotal evidence, which is not compelling to people who know data analysis. However, the following Barron's article gives the sort of evidence used by pros to spot data tampering. Unless Barron's is lying about what it found, this is a likely tell of made-up data.
From Barron's:
"China’s Coronavirus Figures Don’t Add Up. ‘This Never Happens With Real Data.’"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/chinas-economic-data-have-always-raised-questions-its-coronavirus-numbers-do-too-51581622840
Consider this..
The Chicom State are Modern Slavers..
They drive their people like cattle, in slave factories..
They have built this massive economic engine, production
center of the Global economy.. With PLA Generals controlling
every corporate board.. Fascism under the Red Banner, LOL!
Not like they give 2 squats about their people..
But, SOMETHING is happening over there, that made them shut down virtually
their WHOLE DAMN ECONOMY.. So completely, their Infrastructure is grinding to a halt..
Also, If the death toll was 1600, they wouldn't be detecting cremations in Japan..
Several reasons.
People are used to the flu, so it is less scary to them.
There are vaccines for flu.
Death rate for flu is 0.05%. It is unlikely for anyone you know to die from flu.
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Here's why nCov is a big deal.
nCov currently has an R0 (infection rate) about the same as flu.
Death rate for nCov (by China numbers, which have some caveats) is 20-40 times higher that of flu.
So, if 26 million people in the US got nCov (which is the concern, because of R0), we would have 7.5 million hospitalizations (well, the hospital system would collapse before that), and 400,000 deaths (about the same number as US citizens who died in WWII). In the world, there would be maybe 10 million deaths (or worse, because if that happened, most people aren't going to get any hospital attention).
Maybe it ends up like SARS or MERS and peters out before it is a world-wide crisis. But currently you cannot at all count on that.
That's why there is action being taken regarding nCov that is far more drastic than you have ever seen regarding flu.
data never adds up. it's undereported in most cases. not like there's a doctor with a clicker on every hospital.
No, that's the point. If you are just reporting stuff, including with human error or inefficiencies, you don't get a correlation coefficient of 0.99 with a simplistic model.
This is how scientists know when someone is fabricating data.
So we get another extrapolated example of why we should worry? Based on numbers that just about everybody on here (and if I am wrong so be it) thinks that the big bad boogy man (China) is under reporting.
Now, I am to understand that there are detectors
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The point is - why spread rumors of unsubstantiated statistics that you “Know” is wrong considering the big bad boogy man is under reporting?
all data can be manipulated to fit your point. for example i can say it's impossible to drink 12 ounces of milk you carefully measured and put in a glass.
semp
No, it can't. That's why the technique is a standard tool used in discovering scientific fraud.
Your milk example is a non sequitur.
like the cremation fact?
you can get any number you want and somebody to give them to you.
RE: Detecting Cremation Gasses
What is being said is that, highly concentrated amounts of gasses that are usually connected with large amounts of burning organic matter are being detected by satellites and other detection equipment.
Not saying that the ChiComs are actually hiding anything...but being a communist government...it wouldn't surprise me in the least...
They are quarantining money. Think about that. You don’t think they sound terrified? Do you think they would just do this for the seasonal sniffles?That fact alone is sobering. If they are irradiating and disinfecting cash along with a quarantine because of virus living on the surface. What can be transferred on the untold billions of items mailed, shipped and stocked on U.S. store shelves ? We have retail outlets that sell pretty well 100% Chinese produced and transported goods. Walmart and Apple for example could be a bit worried you would think.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-15/china-quarantines-cash-to-sanitize-old-bank-notes-from-virus (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-15/china-quarantines-cash-to-sanitize-old-bank-notes-from-virus)
That fact alone is sobering. If they are irradiating and disinfecting cash along with a quarantine because of virus living on the surface. What can be transferred on the untold billions of items mailed, shipped and stocked on U.S. store shelves ? We have retail outlets that sell pretty well 100% Chinese produced and transported goods. Walmart and Apple for example could be a bit worried you would think.
I find it very interesting that semp keeps replying to every comment with drivel obviously designed to take away from the seriousness of what he replies to...
I'm pretty sure that I have some "semp = troll" posts in my history that I'll have to have on hand for a bit...I thought I had moved past this :uhoh
That California Koolaide is a hell of a drug.
That fact alone is sobering. If they are irradiating and disinfecting cash along with a quarantine because of virus living on the surface. What can be transferred on the untold billions of items mailed, shipped and stocked on U.S. store shelves ? We have retail outlets that sell pretty well 100% Chinese produced and transported goods. Walmart and Apple for example could be a bit worried you would think.
interesting thing, i always have koolaid and mostly grape.
btw it's flavor aid they used not koolaid. but of course the cabal and satanic forces got us confused.
semp
Flavor aid?? Ewww.
They have you very confused. Just like the Chinese were when they gave in to communism. Chinese communism is satanic. Their people know now, but it's too late. And China is perpetuating the satanic agenda in California in cahoots with your mafia and paying off officials all over the country to bring it to America. Your state will be the state that starts the plague in America. Better get prepared now.
Flavor aid?? Ewww.
:uhoh Thats just plaine...well I cant cast stones...I giggled at it a little :pray
I don't remember any of them complaining afterwards that Flavor Aid wasn't as tasty as Kool Aid.
- oldman
Two bio-weapon labs in Wuhan. :noid
The media hypes everything. It's their business model. For example TDS saved the New York Times from bankruptcy three years ago.
The "normal" flu kills thousands of people in the US every year. Wash your hands.
Latest:
Researchers saying Basic rate of reproduction for Kung Flu, (R0) is between 4.7 and 6.5.. If those numbers are true, then it will be impossible to stop.. That's why the Quarantines aren't working in China..
Prestigious Chinese university Lab, 2 professors say that Kung Flu virus was definitely laboratory engineered.. But deny that it was intended as a weapon.. Afterward, they vanish from the web, like they never existed..
Director of Wuhan Hospital at center of outbreak has died of Kung Flu..
Also heard that the Chinese scientist who worked at the Canadian lab, and supposed stole
level 4 contagious material, has died.. Possibly the same guy, I don't know????
People in Hong Kong protest creation of Virus Clinics in residential areas..
Almost like Chicom Govt Intends to spread it to the Hong Kong population..
Chicom Govt has enacted Emergency War Orders, requiring full obedience to Party directives.. Also enacting the use of Deadly Force on the civilian population..
Hubei province funeral homes, paying $146 per hour, to pick up and transport dead bodies..
Applicants for the jobs, "Must be strong and brave"..
Transportation system in China is breaking down.. Massive amounts of food are rotting in warehouses, because there is no transport to markets..
First case tested positive in Egypt..
Russia has banned ALL travel with China..
Hawaii Washington and Florida, seem to be the outbreak centers in the USA..
State of Florida, dept of health, refuses to state how many people have been tested for Kung Flu.. Falsely quoting patient privacy laws.. Medical Privacy Laws do not prohibit release of aggregate numbers, that reveal no personal info.. Which means they are hiding the numbers..
State of Washington, dept of health, says 746 people under "Medical Supervision", but only 25 have actually been tested.. (No test result, means no case report) And, they refuse to describe what "Medical Supervision" actually means, but state they are following Federal quarantine directives.. Again, hiding the numbers..
Looking like the reports on Seattle talk radio were true.. :neener:
Man tested positive for Kung Flu in Hawaii, offered to self Quarantine, but told to go about his daily Business.. (Hawaii doesn't even care)
Some US citizens evacuated from Yokohama cruise ship, flown to Hawaii.. Then allowed on Commercial flights to various destinations.. Scattered all over now..
Kung Flu Incubation period, is actually only 3 days.. Meaning you are contagious, but show no symptoms for up to 24 days.. (Geez man, if this isn't a weapon, they couldn't have made one any better)
People are dropping dead in a matter of hours, from secondary Kung Flu infection.. So you survive the first infection, but the second infection creates some kind of immuno reaction, that attacks the heart.. So apparently Kung Flu related "Whiplash Pneumonia", will kill ya dead away.. Yikes!
Another twisted tune :D
Kung Flu, Kung Flu..
What'cha gonna do when it comes for you ???
Semp = troll
How about you add something of substance there buddy....
I live on a acreage.
Cows to the left of me. Vegetables and grain to the right. I'm stuck in the middle with buddy farmers with more guns and ammo than an annual NRA conference.
I've got a couple tractors that I can mount my 50 cals on. Including an optional tail turret. :neener:
Bring on the apocalypse. :noid
When the sh*t hits the fan... protecting your supply will be the most important thing you can do.
Ya! I'm re-opening my Dad's old coldwar fallout shelter. But I don't own a gun - anyone got a spare howitzer? But how do I shoot a microbe? Or do I use it on the zombies when they attack?
All I know is it's a great time to buy some stocks. :banana:
Dems love it because its hurting the market and they are attempting to hurt Trump at all cost.
Do it. Throw every penny you have in the most aggressive leverage you can find. Buy on MARGIN!!!!!
If you don't, then it means your chicken and don't have faith in Trump.
:cool:
I think you'll find this virus doesn't give a flip about your political affiliation.
:rolleyes:
I did.
I think the mortality rates are skewed because most got medical care.
If it sweeps across a country, many will not be able to get medical care and the rate goes up.
There just aren't enough beds.
I read Japan plans to close all schools and I also read those sneaky Canadians are working on a vaccine,cant be true they have social healthcare.
Personally I will stay away from public place as much as possible,even though I had a flu shot.
I read Japan plans to close all schools and I also read those sneaky Canadians are working on a vaccine,cant be true they have social healthcare.
Personally I will stay away from public place as much as possible,even though I had a flu shot.
My personal financial advisor moved us into the 2 B's, banks and bonds,well Canadian banks,She did this back in Oct. and while it did cost us some,we are way up and havent lost a dime as of yet.
:salute
What happened to the Ebola vaccine and funding? What happened to the Zika vaccine and funding?
Ya I imagine those sneaky Canadians as well as lots of other sneaky Scientists, Doctors and Microbiologists worldwide are burning the midnight oil to find a vaccine. And all those honest politicians are lining up to provide the resources they need to get it done.
(cough) ... we have been actually (https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1908552). We are working on one for COVID-19. China has been accused of pressuring the WHO (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2020/02/26/have-we-let-the-genie-slip-out-of-the-covid-19-bottle/#69ebd4205830) not to declare COVID-19 as a pandemic.
If we did find a vaccine, we would make it free, again, like we did for Ebola. The benefits of a socialist country with free health care? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rant rant rant....
It's "free" (and takes forever with 0 specialist) you just have to pay for it out of your paycheck every month for the rest of your life. Woot woot!
Cpt,you're correct and I know the flu shot doesnt help with corona.It's just that many refuse to get a flu shot for whatever hairbrained idea. I'm a frequent flyer at the local hospital and if you dont want to be masked and where a gown you need a flu shot,they even give you this cute little card that you can flash at them when you dont have a mask on.
I wonder who shorted the markets before all this scare tactics took off,someones making big money of this crash.
:salute
CptTrips, the conspiracy theorists will be looking at you due to your BBS ID.
So I take it you will refuse the Corona vaccine, right?
I post facts. This is the response.
Who cares about those children right...
You didn't answer the question.
Why would I take something that they wont even tell me what's in it, and I cannot sue them if it has side effects?
Just so it is clear, you are now pledging to refuse the Corona vaccine once it's available?
[Edit]
Perhaps Hitech should move DmnSlyr's posts over to the "Darwin at Work" thread. ;)
Just so it is clear, you are now pledging to refuse the Corona vaccine once it's available?
[Edit]
Perhaps Hitech should move DmnSlyr's posts over to the "Darwin at Work" thread. ;)
Yeah, I will deny them injecting me full of monkey juice, made
by the same people that engineered the frikkin Kung Flu in the first place....
Just so its clear. Are you saying you don't care about the safety and wellness of the American children?
Did you know that a Bill Gates vaccine was responsible for over 500K women in Kenya to not be fertile any more.
Why do you trust these people?
Seriously? Must be hard to keep track of all the evil people with an agenda, huh?
Read it.
http://apanews.net/mobile/uneInterieure_EN.php?id=4890130
Why do you clowns try so hard to subvert?
You will fail.
we are part of the satanic forces. we are everywhere watching you.
semp
I don't know about you, but I'm an inter-dimensional Reptilian.
I've been sent here to subvert. I'm just doing my job, man.
:noid
(https://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/opendesign/files/2016/08/The-Reptilian-Elite.jpg)
Read it.
http://apanews.net/mobile/uneInterieure_EN.php?id=4890130
Why do you clowns try so hard to subvert?
You will fail.
Sorry V, that didn't exactly read like a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of journalism.
Read it.
http://apanews.net/mobile/uneInterieure_EN.php?id=4890130
Why do you clowns try so hard to subvert?
You will fail.
Oh, it's absolutely a good idea for everyone. I keep meaning to do it each year. The older you get, the more dumb it is to skip it. ;)
I've been slowly transitioning to cash of the last couple of years. I know excessive exuberance when I see it. I've seen it before. :rolleyes:
Of course, no one could have predicted a pandemic. But it was becoming clear the market was like a group of fire jugglers practicing amoungst barrels full of dynamite. You can't predict exactly which juggler, would drop which flaming torch, into which barrel, but it was clear to anyone with eyes things were primed to end badly. (stolen analogy)
I plan to buy back in much cheaper than it is today. People never learn. "This time is different!" never proves true.
:salute
You can nearly always find some reference somewhere that supports a point of view, right or wrong. You can find stuff telling you that the world is flat.
Because of that -- because the world's news is full to the gills with intentional lies, unintentional but gross misunderstandings, or commonly both -- I don't automatically believe any one piece of news and always have up my filters for BS.
The article you post sounds emphatically like pure BS to me. It should take information substantially more credible than that to sway anyone's mind on a topic.
According to Lawrence Pulaski, a licensed pediatrician from New York City who spoke in support of the bill, he said that “science has changed,” and that “we are told with certainty that science has been done efficiently on vaccine safety, but yet if we read the ingredients in the vaccines, we will find that the ingredients have never been tested for injection of vaccines into human beings – children or adults.” He went on to say that “most of the ingredients are toxic and can enter the brain and lead to concerns that we are seeing in our children today. Our children have the highest number of chronic diseases of any country in the world.” He backed this up with the following statistics:
1 in 5 have learning disabilities
1 in 10 diagnosed with ADD or ADHD
1 in 11 diagnosed with asthma
1 in 12 with significant allergies
1 in 35 with autism
1 in 20 under the age of 5 with seizures
“Something is happening to the nervous system and the immune systems of our children, and the powers that be continue to insist that vaccine ingredients have nothing to do with these challenges that we are seeing in children,” Pulaski said
Dr. James Neuenschwander, from Ann Arbor, Michigan, a 30-year physician who is duly board certified in both emergency and integrative medicine, caring for chronically ill adults and children, blew the lid off the testing and safety issues surrounding vaccines. “With the exception of a small number of participants in one Gardasil trial, no vaccine has ever been subjected to a prelicensure, inert, placebo controlled trial. This is the gold standard of medicine. Without it, you don’t know what the side effects of your product are,” said Neuenschwander. He went on to state, “If vaccines were truly great at maintaining public health, we should have the healthiest infants and children in the entire world. We vaccinate more than any other industrialized nation in the entire world. But when we evaluate those outcomes, unfortunately, the opposite is true. Our pediatric rate of chronic diseases rose from 12% in 1986 up to over 50% in 2007. Mandates are a last ditch effort by a government to control its population. If vaccines were truly safe and effective, people would be lining up for them. There would be no reason to have mandates. If parents are not willing to accept a product for which there is no long term safety studies, they were poorly tested for approval, and have no liability, they should have that right.”
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/history-was-made-they-hijacked-our-health-but-its-not-lost/
I agree that there is a lot of BS out there. I saw more than one source which is why it seemed viable. Here is another source. Though you may have to purchase the study.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World
And what about the source I posted earlier from Corey's digs? That sounds like legitimate research to me from doctors who are concerned. There is obviously a growing problem with chronic diseases in children. Is it just a coincidence? Until they tell us what is in them and show scientific evidence that they have minor or 0 side effects. Its very hard to trust them.
So now a different look..... how will this end up affecting the tax base. Will we lose more of the tax payers, or more of the burden.
define what is a burden. just asking because my chances of me working again are pretty much zero.
semp
I don't know. I'm skeptical, but I'm not interested enough to look into it in enough detail to form an opinion.
That stuff, I know more about. I think it is wise to get a flu shot once per year. I do it and am confident enough in it being a good choice that I get them for my kids.
You, an Aces High pilot, can probably spot in a dogfight if your opponent is a total noob vs. an expert AH pilot. You might be hard pressed to explain to someone who doesn't know anything about dogfighting how you know that pilot is a total noob. A person might say, "Well, your opponent was flying a plane and doing loops and stuff, which is what expert pilots do. Looks like he was an expert to me." But you know your opponent was horrible and would loose 10 out of 10 dogfights with someone who knows how to fly.
Likewise, to a person trained in science, that Corey reference is full of totally inept and scientifically wrong arguments. "Autism is up! It must be vaccines!" Except: those vaccines have been used for like 50 or more years; autism could be up because people are looking for it more (i.e., more diagnoses but not more cases); could be up because people are having children far later in their lives; could be dietary changes (changed a lot over the decades); allergies could be due to (of all things) less exposure to playing around outside in the dirt; etc.
Anyway, even if the guy wasn't a total unscientific boob (and yes, there can be MD's who are total unscientific boobs), you have to look at the dangers and the advantages both, not just the dangers. If you look only at the dangers, you would never drive a car, have sex, or eat food.
It is possible to make a vaccine that is harmful, just like it is possible to make food that will make people sick instead of nourish them. So vaccines do need to be tested before administration.
Specifically in the case of flu vaccines, given how many people get them and the number of people who have a problem, they are one of the safest medications in history. Given how many people die of flu vs. how many people have problems with flu vaccine, or even how miserable it is to get flu even if you don't die vs. risk of problems, I think it is wise to get the vaccine.
Employees of State Labs in WA and OR, are openly saying that the CDC
had FORBIDDEN them, from testing for Kung Flu, for the last month.. (insert facepalm emoji)
US Laboratory Association, is sayin WTF?????
New case in Oregon, is a School District employee in Lake Oswego,
a suburban town, just south of Portland.. And yes, she has had close
contact with people at a public school..
Now, in the 5th week, they will finally start testing??? Great Job, :aok
I guess our CDC virus experts are hard at work huh??? But doing what???
Making sure it is spread widely??? :bolt:
Oh I forgot, I need to pick up a giant supply of Popcorn..
As this massive SCREW UP unfolds, I'll need it! :D
I just don't believe that injecting an infant with 30 vaccines is healthy.
They should be forced to tell us what's in them.
The doses should be much smaller if anything.
America isn't that prone to infectious diseases anymore.
Its very hard for me to trust these people when it's the same people pushing climate change and gender transitions down our throats.
As far as the flu shot is concerned, I really don't think it actually helps. I think it just makes people think it helps them. I've known people with the shot to still get it. Shouldn't they be immune even if others have it?
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Its amazing to me that these viruses show up like clock work every single year. Why is that? Where do these viruses come from? How do they just magically show up? It seems strange to me that a tiny peice of RNA can be all over the place right as winter comes. Idk.
In the 1950's, the US had over 20,000 kids per year dying or getting paralyzed from polio. By the 1970's, the US had a quarter of a million citizens who had been paralyzed by polio.
The reason we don't have any kids dying and getting paralyzed by polio anymore is because of vaccines.
Smallpox killed 300 million people in the 20th century. Now, it is zero.
The reason a bunch of people don't still die from smallpox anymore is because of vaccines.
It's 10, spaced out over the first 2 years of life. Not 30, and not all at once.
You can look it up if you are interested.
Your statement is like someone who has no concept of how an engine works telling a mechanic that he should be putting in much less oil during an oil change. The mechanic's reaction would be like, "WTF are you talking about? This is the correct amount." ;)
Because of vaccines and antibiotics.
Without those, the world is far more prone to infectious disease than before because of drastically increased population density and drastically increased speed and amount of global travel.
I do not trust government or media. At all. Both are jammed to the gills with liars, manipulators, schemers, and con men with agendas, working to convince you and me to do things that are in their interests but not ours.
However, there is still true stuff in the world, and there is untrue stuff in the world. The problem you and I have is that it takes work to tell which is which. To do that, you have to be able to look at the evidence in a scientific way, not just an emotional way.
Do I believe climate models have any predictive power? No. (Based on my background in modelling.)
Do I want the government-Google-Twitter-Facebook-Hollywood-education complex relentlessly trying to brainwash me and my kids with their agenda? !@#$ no.
Do I believe vaccines are a great boon to health in the world? Yes. (Based on stats and evidence.)
Many infectious diseases do not mutate much. For those, one vaccine can be protective for 10 years (like diptheria). Flu mutates a lot. So you can make a vaccine that is pretty good for a particular strain, but not so great against another strain. Every year, there are multiple strains circulating, and the vaccine folks estimate what the few most-prevalent ones will be, and make the vaccine to that. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes not.
When they don't get it right, the vaccine is going to be less effective, but generally not zero protection. It can still reduce the probability of getting flu, and if you get it, reduce the severity. It is still useful to get it.
Some viruses have been nearly eradicated on the planet. Smallpox, for example. People don't get vaccinated against smallpox anymore because there aren't any cases. (However, because of how deadly it is, countries with bioweapons programs often have weaponsized smallpox. So, if that got loose, and no one is vaccinated anymore, it would be really bad.)
Some viruses are not eradicated. Flu is one of those. It is always around. Because the flu virus lives longer on surfaces in cool weather than warm weather, there is a lot more flu going around in winter, and then much less when the weather warms up. But it's always around in some people, spreading it to other people, and mutating all the time.
Flu can't get through your skin. It's when you get it on your fingers and put them in your mouth, pick your nose, rub your eye, handle your food. Or when a lot more people get it, when they cough or sneeze, and you inhale aerosolized droplets of their mucus.
There is no point in rushing into vaccines if it's not critically necessary IMO.
How do we know they do not have an impact on the brain being that young?
The only people who have the disease are the CDC. I don't understand how a virus can just pop up after its been dead from the summer. I am not discrediting vaccines that irradiated viruses and diseases. I'm questing how the virus shows up.
We'll do better than China and Iran.
People should stay home and fly scenarios.
Great.
Washington State has a fatality and some examples of "community" transmission (i.e., some people are getting it just from normal life in the area, not traveling to China or being around people who have).
And I just read a statement by the Health Officer of Seattle and King County that there is a nursing home a few miles from my house where there were a couple of confirmed cases and now has 50 people showing symptoms.
I just don't see how these cases could be popping up all of the sudden. It seems like these "community outbreaks" are very random. How could these people have escaped China with the virus? How could they have not shown any symptoms for weeks? What are the symptoms? I really don't understand how some random nursing home could contract this virus.
I just don't see how these cases could be popping up all of the sudden. It seems like these "community outbreaks" are very random. How could these people have escaped China with the virus? How could they have not shown any symptoms for weeks? What are the symptoms? I really don't understand how some random nursing home could contract this virus.
What do you make of this? Why does every site use 33? That's a lot of articles.
https://youtu.be/OolIKLzL0Qs
We'll do better than China and Iran.
People should stay home and fly scenarios.
US Govt is running the Wuhan plan, just like the Chicoms did..
Oh boy, When people start dyin, they are gonna remember THIS!
During a press conference, and Congressional briefing, the US Surgeon General says..
DON'T buy Masks.. DON'T buy extra food.. DON'T buy extra prescription meds..
DON'T buy hand sanitizers.. DON'T be fearful.. But, DO BUY STOCKS!
So, if we pretend it isn't happening, it will all go away??? Ah I see!
Do they even grasp how MONUMENTALLY STUPID they look???
Numerology can be useful too.. For range estimation, using a mildot scope..
(https://i.imgur.com/7V0ghRp.jpg?1)
And I saw this one, made me think of Semp.. Welcome to the quarantine zone..
(https://i.imgur.com/glOzqiD.jpg?1)
I don't trust folks on either side of the virus talk. I personally know not one person with the virus.
I'm curious if coronavirus has (or could) affect the power grid.
Numerology is almost entirely hokum. It is a way to dupe people who don't know probability and statistics into thinking something is there.
Keep in mind two things: (1) that lots of supposed article titles and supposed facts spouted in the world are fake and (2) that you can find some repeated number in lots of different things. Especially numbers like 25, 33, 50, etc. -- i.e., 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, etc. -- which people often round to.
For example, I just now did a search on duckduckgo for "50 coronavirus". I get stuff like this:
Washington state testing over 50 people for coronavirus
Brent Crude Drops Below $50 as Coronavirus Spreads Around World
Coronavirus reaches 50 countries, including 1st in sub-Saharan Africa
Coronavirus is crushing Samsung's Galaxy S20 launch, with sales down 50%
50 people in Riverside County self-quarantine as coronavirus concerns mount
Coronavirus is Scary. But The World's First Pandemic Might Have Killed 50 Million People
and many more.
You are skeptical of stuff spouted by the government and main-stream media. I am, too. Lots of agendas, enormous partisanship, and people lying their tulips off.
Yet you are not at all skeptical of stuff spouted by crackpot outlets, where there are . . . lots of agendas, enormous partisanship, and people lying their tulips off.
For example, you are rightly skeptical of government statements because you can see motivations for them to lie about it. But you weren't skeptical of some unknown supposed newspaper article out of Africa citing an opposition candidate who is accusing his opposition of a plot to make citizens sterile (a bit of an agenda there, and a dubious citation); or of some guy's numerology video on youtube, with many headlines missing reference information (so could be fake, and you can find some dude on youtube spouting anything); or of a supposedly scientific article but where the lead author is an arts and humanities professor and the work is citing supposed findings of a religious proselytizing group with an obvious agenda; or of an anti-vaccine article that is purely innuendo.
Why be skeptical of mainstream crap yet swallow crackpot crap without a second thought?
The Mainstream and powers that be do an excellent job of saying anything that isn't theirs is fake or untrue.
This virus is an agenda and it's been planned by Bill Gates and the UN who literally had meetings about it months before it happened. Dean Koontz wrote a book about it happening in Wuhan in the year 2020. Simpson's predicted Corona virus in the year 2020.
They are puppets designed to persuade children into evil acts at early ages such as drugs and sex. Notice how most of them support the democrat party? JayZ, beyonce, Eminem, snoop dog ect. Almost all of Hollywood. That is why they consistently attack Trump and Pence
I just don't see how these cases could be popping up all of the sudden. ...
Brooke, I gotta admire your willingness to reason with the unreasonable.
Brooke, I gotta admire your willingness to reason with the unreasonable.
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder#1 (https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder#1)
I am very reasonable, but I enjoy thinking outside of the box.
Brooke
People with mental illness think out of the box a lot. That's why we call that lack of ability to contain ones thoughts in an ordered process instead of reason mental illness.
Hello, my friend. It is good to see you.
I am very reasonable, but I enjoy thinking outside of the box.
It is yall who aren't willing to understand the deeper meanings. I enjoy the logical approach to the arguements. That being said, it is unreasonable to ignore such connections and coincidence as "just happening". If we only took these approaches most of the time, we wouldn't have the science we do already by asking deeper questions. If I had told yall 200 years ago that cells make up the human body based on a small timer scientist no one had heard of, you would have laughed me out of the room (as you seem to be now).
If you understood this. We wouldn't be in the situation we are in. If they had meetings about a Corona Vrius months ago, why weren't they developing a vaccine already? Why were scientist arrested in Canada for stealing the virus? Why was a PHd Dean of Biochemisty at Harvard arrested for taking 50K a month from the Chinese?
If you had understood these people like me, you wouldnt be seeing 70,000 deaths by overdoses a year in the US. You wouldnt be seeing more homelessness than ever before. You wouldn't be seeing mental health deteriorating in America like never before. You wouldnt be seeing an agenda to turn our children into confused transgenders who take hormone pills at the age of 10. You wouldn't be seeing Transgender reading time at libraries to kids.. Our msm music wouldnt be filled with drugs, booty shaking, and sex to manipulate children to be sinners. But by ignoring the signs and symbolism in our media and movies, by calling everything you dont see logical a conspiracy theory. Here we are. They are manipulating our culture right in front of us.
If you had told me an alien race came here to subvert and destroy our population, I'd probably be inclined to agree as the former deep state was and is doing everything they can to destroy freedom and prosperity in the west and turn our men into girly girls to avoid rising up against them. They have pretty much succeeded in Europe. Which is why you are seeing the outrage in France (despite media covering it up ALL cost).
When it's too late its too late.
If Q anon turns out to be the NSA and military intelligence. Imagine that would that would actually mean. There have been enough proofs to connect it. Only those who dig deeper will understand. 17 intelligence agencies haven't told us who Q is for a reason...
ohh the oh so lost ones. Whatever did you do before you had the internet where you could come together with other like minded simpletons and scream the sky is falling and everything is out to get me?
What did folks like you do before the internet? Did you just go to work each day, live your life as best you could as long as you could? I'm guessing you were much more the stand on a street corner with a sandwich board proclaiming the end is near.
We get it dude.. you're scared of your own shadow. Just go crawl back into that little cave of yours and worry yourself to death. Quick question before you slither away though, does all this "knowledge" you've gained by sitting on your giant rear and searching the internet make you a happier person in life?
Lets not get angry at each other, folks. Lets all of us be civil towards each other and continue the interesting conversations.
Lets not get angry at each other, folks. Lets all of us be civil towards each other and continue the interesting conversations.
The upside to all of this is that manufacturing in america will be more common.
I doubt it in the short term.
If it had to move anywhere, it would simply move to the next third-world country: Vietnam, India, Post-Brexit Britain.
It will eventually come back to America, but by then it would be AI automated robotic factories running 24/7 in the dark, no vacations, no holidays, no healthcare, making goods to be shipped around by self-driving freight trucks.
but who will have money to buy it?
And the military. It will always cheaper to send young underclass kids to go fight the corporate-wars than develop the technology to completely replace them. I doubt you'll see Elon Musk's son sporting an Infantry Badge. He'll probably develop mysterious bone-spurs at the convenient time.
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html (https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html)
Did you mean heel spurs?
It makes me very happy that sheep little clowns like you are finally being exposed like the cowards you are. So it is all worth it for me. It is worth it to me as a citizen to stand for what I know is right. Rather than allow little clowns like you to continue to disgrace this country.
My apologies. I wasnt going to say anything, but then I didnt get a straw with my to go order because of stupid Portland policies (because of dolts like Firetech), so I went into rage mode. I'm just an eye for eye type of guy.
Lets not get angry at each other, folks. Lets all of us be civil towards each other and continue the interesting conversations.Me angry.. never.. I do tend to pick on the easy ones though.. I know I shouldn’t. Might be called a bully, but it’s a guilty pleasure to watch them meltdown time and again.
My apologies. I wasnt going to say anything, but then I didnt get a straw with my to go order because of stupid Portland policies (because of dolts like Firetech), so I went into rage mode. I'm just an eye for eye type of guy.
I salute you sir.. with you and your internet friends, we here in the USA can rest easy knowing that we have a protective force of dedicated patriots looking out for us. Ready to stand up and post ad nauseam when injustice has been spotted. In YouTube and podcasts we trust!!!
I'll be the first to thank you for your service. Thank you!
Come on man.. how can you defend our nation when you're rolling down to a fast food joint and picking up bags of greasy fat and empty calories (super sized no doubt). You're part the new Internet Force. Gotta keep yourself in tip top shape. Unless it was a mission to spot how the man is secretly un-americaning you by keeping you from a straw. Then you're good bro.
Me angry.. never.. I do tend to pick on the easy ones though.. I know I shouldn’t. Might be called a bully, but it’s a guilty pleasure to watch them meltdown time and again.
Ok.. I’ll leave this one to fester. Peace and love
Is that what they're called? That thing that keeps you out of the service, but allows you to play a life-time of golf?
I'll go look it up on WebMd.com. Thanks.
Yes and those weekends of golf only cost $3.4 million per trip. (source US General Accounting Office)
"A public awake is their greatest fear" Q
Fake News! :D
(https://i.imgur.com/LZ6UtBz.png)
Oh, and, people that make fun of my brand of political paranoia are commies and I'm a keyboard patriot! :D
Okay whatever you think.
Looks like this thread went viral :noid
Maybe you'll be able to understand a little bit better.
"A public awake is their greatest fear" Q
I can't argue with what you call an awake public. IMO people should educate themselves with as many facts as possible throughout their lives.
But I am always confused as to who should be afraid and what they should be afraid of ("their greatest fear").
I mean no slight in any way. I honestly can't understand who this enemy is and why we're at war with them.
I am surprised you trust a guy like Flynn that served 24 days as the “Governments” National Security Advisor and had to resign? You know the guy that is a decorated Army Veteran, versed in National & Foreign Intelligence. The one who pleaded guilty acknowledging he made false, fictitious & fraudulent statements. The guy that lied to the current VP. The guy that is a registered Democrat?
Buttttttttt - he is your go to Endorsement for your search for the truth through alternate media?
Shouldn't he be the “One” you should worry about? How can you tell that he is not using Covert PsychOps, to lead you astray? What really stands out, is that Flynn evidently wasn’t very good at what he did, because he got caught. But it’s ok to trust him now? Whew......
BTW, Billionaire Bill Gates Bad?, And from past statements (I am extrapolating here) all 1%er’s are Bad cuz they (The Cabal) control the world, but Billionaire Donald Trump Good?
Isn't any 1%er leading one of the Greatest economic society’s in the world go against your ideology?
Isn't any 1%er leading one of the Greatest economic society’s in the world go against your ideology?
I am very reasonable, but I enjoy thinking outside of the box.
That being said, it is unreasonable to ignore such connections and coincidence as "just happening". If we only took these approaches most of the time, we wouldn't have the science we do already by asking deeper questions.
If Q anon
I believe Q Anon is a hoax. Anyone can spew stuff, some of which in hindsight can be matched to real events, some of which is vague enough to fit lots of things, and some of which ends up not being true but is then either ignored or justified with fraught reasoning. It's like Nostradamus. Or like stage performers who guess things about guests: "I'm sensing that something bad has happened to someone you know."
(https://i.imgur.com/COBZZ7L.png)Lol yeah he really showed us!
That is good, and I enjoy discussing things with you here.
It is reasonable to be suspicious of coincidences. Scientists get suspicious of coincidence, but they don't put faith into it without solid evidence proving it out. When you do science professionally, especially in fields involving more-complicated systems, a huge amount of what you do is looking into coincidences that end up not being meaningful. Most coincidences end up being from randomness -- i.e., they do just happen.
My reasoning is more like the following examples.
It would not surprise me if it turns out that the origin of the SARS-2 epidemic is the Wuhan bio lab. Reasons including the physical proximity, that the Wuhan lab was investigating SARS and various other bat-derived viruses, and that infectious diseases have in the past leaked from bio labs (Soviet Union Sverdlovsk anthrax leak, for example). For that to be the case doesn't require anything outlandish. It doesn't even take intention -- an ordinary amount of human ineptitude would suffice. I'm not convinced it's from the Wuhan lab but wouldn't dismiss the idea either.
For things like the importance of number 33; or the Simpsons, Koontz, or the Gates Foundation being in on a plot to cause a SARS-2 pandemic -- I'm not suspicious about those things. That requires a series of speculations (that have weak or no evidence, or imagined evidence) all panning out for that to be reality. I give it very low odds. It would take a lot more coincidence or evidence than that for me to start thinking, "Well, maybe."
I believe Q Anon is a hoax. Anyone can spew stuff, some of which in hindsight can be matched to real events, some of which is vague enough to fit lots of things, and some of which ends up not being true but is then either ignored or justified with fraught reasoning. It's like Nostradamus. Or like stage performers who guess things about guests: "I'm sensing that something bad has happened to someone you know."
My feeling is that there are main-steam charlatans -- and -- non-main-stream charlatans. Some people are skeptical of one but completely non-skeptical of the other. Both deserve skepticism.
@ Busher,
Did you hear about any Canadian scientist being arrested? Because I sure didnt and it would have surely made the news. Sneaky Canuks getting away with this is a real shame,time to break out the super secret snow balls and prepare for defense.
My defence is made of wood and 7ft tall,no chainlink for me!! Oh and my 2 bulldog stand on guard for thee.
Dogs dont catch corona do they??
:salute
PS: I had them xrayed for bone spurs.
Start here:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa
That is good, and I enjoy discussing things with you here.
I believe Q Anon is a hoax. Anyone can spew stuff, some of which in hindsight can be matched to real events, some of which is vague enough to fit lots of things, and some of which ends up not being true but is then either ignored or justified with fraught reasoning. It's like Nostradamus. Or like stage performers who guess things about guests: "I'm sensing that something bad has happened to someone you know."
My feeling is that there are main-steam charlatans -- and -- non-main-stream charlatans. Some people are skeptical of one but completely non-skeptical of the other. Both deserve skepticism.
Start here:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa
Start here:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa
In one article “Sources say Xiangguo Qiu, biologist Keding Cheng, and an unknown number of Qiu’s students were escorted from the National Microbiology Lab” You claim the one scientist was arrested. PHAC called it “an administrative matter”.
The article; “canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa” yet the article itself says “Plummer collapsed and was taken to hospital in Nairobi, where he was pronounced dead on arrival” your media source makes no mention of anything suspicious. He was 67, and a self admitted life long alcoholic.
I guess the lack of information or anything suspicious in regards to a guy passing away is our cue to start creating our our own narrative, perpetuate baseless rumor and then pass it along as fact.
Now now.. one must not question. One must only believe. If it's on Youtube and produced with alarming sounds or produced on a website claiming they'll be shut down, that makes it 100%.
All the other millions and millions and millions of people are wrong. Only the sacred few believers can honestly know the truth. All else are doomed to a life of ignorance. Granted it's a useless life, under the guise of raising families, contributing to society or some other terrible thing. Only true happiness can be found by searching little known websites of for the truth. Come one TyFoo.. come to the light.. you can be saved! :evil:
I found it! 2 hours of Q proofs and connections.
Nothing is real and everything is fake. Everything is just the "vast right wing conspiracy". There is nothing actually going on. It's all just jumbo gumbo.
Keep your heads in the sand and let the culture clowns destroy our country with shows like Gothem, movies like Joker, and music leaders like Katie Perry.
Nothing to see here. It's all fake. The whole world is fake.
nothing is real
I am trying to follow.....I got sidetracked last night as he has stated numerous times that the Dems are bad. Ok, I am on board, all Dems are bad! But last night he threw a curve ball and endorses a known Dem, w/ National & Foreign Intelligence Skills (Red Flag) who knowingly admitted and confessed to making False, Fictitious, and Fraudulent statements -(another red flag) and was asked to resign by our current President, but somehow he is a good Democrat? .....lol Whew......I am reading as fast as I can, and trying to stay awake during these YouTube Videos....I am still working on these 1%ers cuz according to him they were “All” out to control the world.
Understand.. it's a bit overwhelming to learn so much is hidden in plain sight. You gotta stick with the programming.. sorry education to really get it. Keep watching YouTube, reading FB and NEVER turn off Fox News. It must run 24 hours a day to be safe nothing is missed.
And yes.. whoever the current head republican is... just KNOW they are 100% good for you. ANY dem or liberal is 100% bad for you unless FoxNews says they are good for you.. then in that case YouTube or FB will instruct you on what to do. Above all never trust a news source, any basic logic, any science or facts, up to and including yourself... only trust folks from Youtube or FB that TELL you, you can trust them. Start there, get really angry over nothing and simmer for a few years.
Then you to can be a true internet patriot warrior for the USA (which was founded and is run by some secret society, yet it must be protected from them)!
CDC just bumped the mortality rate to 3.4%.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html)
Flu is 0.1% mortality rate. Flue kill 60,000 in US yearly. We even have vaccines for the Flu.
Covid-19 is now estimated to be 3.4% mortality rate. It is estimated to have an even higher infection rate as the Flu.
More infectious and 34x more deadly than the Flu that kills 60,000, and there is no vaccine.
34 x 60,000 = 2,040,000 potential deaths.
Can anyone give me an argument based on hard facts why 2 mil US deaths over the next year until we get a vaccine isn't a reasonable high-end estimate? 4x the total deaths we suffered in WWII? Or maybe a low-end estimate? It could get worse.
The only argument I can see is maybe we can keep it from spreading as widely as the Flu...which we have been fighting with vaccines for 50 years.
Given I think community spread at this point is almost a certainty, I find that a weak argument.
I hope my math is wrong. It often is. ;)
Have a plan.
There are 4 deaths to date in the US I believe.
The only people dying are 70 year olds with preexisting conditions....
This guy didn't look 70.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16A3A/production/_110803729_mediaitem110803726.jpg)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795)
In fact, he was 34.
He was probably murdered for exposing the virus like he did. Its China. You cant believe what they are telling you.
I'm really talking about Americans though.
Had to share:
https://www.facebook.com/DanVoils/videos/10156811530484731/
Had to share:
https://www.facebook.com/DanVoils/videos/10156811530484731/
He was probably murdered for exposing the virus like he did. Its China. You cant believe what they are telling you.
I'm really talking about Americans though.
The earth is shaped like a pizza pie, round and flat at the same time :old:
So now a different look..... how will this end up affecting the tax base. Will we lose more of the tax payers, or more of the burden.
chose the wrong time to retire, that's for sure. lost a bundle.
Then there's the stockless masses, of which I'm a part. Lucky me? :old:
Kinda.
Humans are loss adverse. It hurts a lot less to never have had, than to have had and lost everything.
Then there's the stockless masses, of which I'm a part. Lucky me? :old:
Can anyone give me an argument based on hard facts why 2 mil US deaths
I'm not even going to say out-loud how low I think it will go. You'd call me nuts.
The only people dying are 70 year olds with preexisting conditions....
9 actually.
Buts whats your point other than meaningless quips?
Are you claiming it won't go higher than 9?
Are you claiming it won't go higher than 100? 100k?
If so, what is the basis for your estimate?
[edit]
To answer my own question, the only rational argument that I've seen is that the testing so far has been so incompetent and incomplete that there have been a lot more mild cases than have been reported so that the overall mortality rate is actually less than what the numbers suggest now. I'd hope that the CDC would have taken that in to account with their new numbers, but I'm hoping they haven't.
But even giving it every benefit of the doubt, it is easy to imagine 100,000 US deaths before a vaccine is distributed and widely available.
That still sounds like a staggering number to me.
what do you make of this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951293/Bill-Gates-Predicted-Coronavirus-Like-Outbreak-2019-Netflix-Documentary.html
I found it! 2 hours of Q proofs and connections.
Interesting you consider 9 deaths meaningless.
That is how many deaths this year. No matter what else is said..... that many have died.
The little french bulldog will take care of you before you can and since we're a bilingual country my english bulldog will finish you off. :rock :banana: :bolt:
Who ever told you we were a bilingual country?
Interesting you consider 9 deaths meaningless.
That is how many deaths this year. No matter what else is said..... that many have died.
Interesting you consider 9 deaths meaningless.
That is how many deaths this year. No matter what else is said..... that many have died.
I've been worrying about that for years. 2008 was bad, but to me, things since 2008 have gotten way crazier in bonds, stocks, real estate, derivatives, and overall debt. Yet, thanks to $trillions in Fed and central-bank pumping, it has so far been, "To infinity and beyond!"
They say the Chinese started that but it's not true,my Doc and I have been doing that for a couple years now!
Can my computer catch the corona virus or will norton protect it?
Personally I am hoping for a 20% correction so stocks are not so over valued but the fed and politicians won't let that happen if they can continue to manipulate it.
Sad that savers are punished these days just because governments have been printing money out of thin air and now cannot afford the interest on thier debt.
I scanned through maybe the first 1/4 of it. All of the stuff I saw was of this pattern: out of the 1000's of vague, badly written Q Anon statements (many statements per post and 100's of posts), pick out a handful for which an explanation can be concocted after the fact to relate (sometimes in a secondary or tertiary way) to a subsequent event or post. Do not analyze a substantial sequential number of Q Anon statements, and do not analyze any that were clearly wrong. Explained by a guy who means well but seems to have zero training in science or probability and statistics and does not seem to have any exposure to the hallmarks of hucksters, con men, magicians, or prognosticating stage performers.
The only interesting thing I saw was one picture that had a file name containing "DOITQ", which is amusing. But it's not as astonishing as a person might think who doesn't know how to consider the odds of such things.
Mostly, it's like if I rolled dice 1000 times, and some guy picks out several stretches where I rolled double sixes thrice in a row, and then claims how unlikely that many double sixes is and claims that I have the power to manipulate the outcome of dice.
I'd love it if some Q Anon stuff were true, though. I'd love to see some serious swamp draining, which so far seems like a total bust.
....
18,000 deaths so far this season from the normal flu in the US.
Your arrogance is going to make you look very stupid soon.
OK then, define "Lizard People'. :rofl
Ah yes, trust our comedy edited propaganda show mocking unspeakable disgusting crimes going on around the world.
Your arrogance is going to make you look very stupid soon.
I'm not saying they are lizard people, but [...]
Ah yes, trust our comedy edited propaganda show mocking unspeakable disgusting crimes going on around the world.
Your arrogance is going to make you look very stupid soon.
Have you gone and gotten out your sandwich board yet? You're already wearing it here on the Aces High forums. Try it out in real life.
(https://i.imgflip.com/3reqpp.jpg)
Do you ever ask yourself why the History channel only plays 'ancient aliens' every day? Especially if the history channel is suppose to, you know, talk about historical events. Seems strange wouldn't you say?
Yes, I read that too.
The talk is about all these deaths with this newer strain. Hopefully it doesn't happen. So far it is not even close.
Because they make more money from ratings?
Because the world is full of gullible, stupid people who are more interested in alien visitations and the vast government conspiracy to cover them up, than actual history?
Who is 'They' ;)
The Reptilians?
Because they make more money from ratings?
Because the world is full of gullible, stupid people who are more interested in alien visitations and the vast government conspiracy to cover them up, than actual history?
Ask yourself, who do the Democrats and its donors (Disney) depend on?
OK..... 11 people have died in the US now.
Ask yourself, who do the Democrats and its donors (Disney) depend on?
I think you've given me the answer to my question "who is this enemy?"
So now I know its either Democrats or Disney - right?
Now all I need to know is how either of those organizations harmed you that you should hate them so much?
Now let me ask you. Do you feel proud to stand with and defend these cockroaches?
Well let me first say that I don't stand with either side when you get to the extreme levels expressed in the first video. I had to shut it off. Even you must admit that video expresses sentiment in the same tone that Hitler used enflame a nation's hatred against the Jewish citizens of a nation.
Your views are clearly deep seated and whether or not I agree, I respect your 1st Amendment Right to have them. Furthermore the views expressed in that video can't harm me or my family so I can live my life in contentment knowing that no one from the extreme left or right has any ability to change that.
A free society can also be a very cruel society. For example, Corporations in their goals to maximize returns, can lose any sense of empathy for the workers of America and any sense of responsibility to "give back" to the community. To lay the blame for society's ailments on one segment of the population believing they are the only source of dishonesty and corruption is self-serving and narrow-minded. Try your best to maybe see that video from my point of view... it expresses hatred of people I would rather try to understand than to dismiss.
So you aren't allowed to hate corporate and political leaders who are dilerbately putting your friends and family in foreign wars, getting your friends addicted to crazy drugs and getting the music industry to endorse it? Drugs they sure as hell shouldn't have access to at 16 years old...seeing them go to prison and ruining their lives. Watching more of your people go homless and hopeless? A deliberate insurgency to steal America and sell it out........ It's bad to put them in prison for crimes against humanity and America?
No, I simply dont understand your perspective. Which is why I'm trying hard here. You are defending the very people who run the very corporations you claim to be against. Greedy political and corporate leaders who sellout and manipulate their population and workers in the name of social justice and climate change. Unfortunately, the left leadership and media propaganda machine (corporate owners) are successful in saying they are good, but people exposing their crimes against humanity and massive treason are 'Hitler' like.
I believe you nailed it here. But be quite clear, I am not defending anyone except myself. I've seen nothing here or in life to suggest that evil is exclusively left or right. I watched a Democrat commit thousands of lives to Viet Nam. I watched a Republican initiate the NAFTA trade deal. Neither of these decisions impressed me much but that isn't new. I have never been impressed with any politician... ever. I believe those most capable of leading have no intension of entering the political cess pool.
I am not an alcoholic but their prayer is very fitting for me - to paraphrase - change what you can change and accept what you cannot change. You'll live a happier peaceful life and hating others whether they deserve it or not does nothing to help you.
I am asking to give Trump and the generals a chance to expose and fix this serious corruption.
Boy, are you going to be disappointed when the truth is revealed.
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We are on the same side Busher. People like me are just trying to convince rational democrats, and naysayers, that the real bulk of serious corruption has been committed by the Establishment that controls them both. The swamp has many on both sides. The bad Republicans are exposing themselves, AKA Romney, McCain, and Bush. The establishment has turned it's back on the people. I am asking to give Trump and the generals a chance to expose and fix this serious corruption.
George Washigton called and said he wanted his country back.
Says the guy wearing a sandwich board. Trying so hard to spread hoaxes and conspiracy theories that have all been debunked. Just curious where you did all this fact finding at? What school did you go to? What action group do you lead? What government position do you hold to obtain this high level of knowledge? Are you secretly a super rich dude fighting from the inside of the worlds power?
Apologizes if already posted, but this is nuts....
"Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus:
The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it"
https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test (https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test)
Apologizes if already posted, but this is nuts....
"Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus:
The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it"
https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test (https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test)
Yeah. Unbelievable incompetence at the most critical phase of the crisis. Getting ahead of the thing, getting infected identified and isolated quickly. Not letting this threat pickup steam.
South Korea has excellent kits. They didn't hesitate. They declared all out war on the virus and have been testing 10,000 people a day. I think I saw the US has test under 100.
Some good news though. With their better testing, their overall mortality rate is much lower than previously feared. Maybe a combination of increasing the denominator of the equation, and getting cases medical treatment early before things got bad. Maybe 0.2 - 0.4 %. 2x to 4x worse than influenza.
That could still be 100,000 US deaths before we get a vaccine. :huh
Nah, maybe 100 deaths. Maybe.
We are on the same side Busher. People like me are just trying to convince rational democrats, and naysayers, that the real bulk of serious corruption has been committed by the Establishment that controls them both. The swamp has many on both sides. The bad Republicans are exposing themselves, AKA Romney, McCain, and Bush. The establishment has turned it's back on the people. I am asking to give Trump and the generals a chance to expose and fix this serious corruption.
George Washigton called and said he wanted his country back.
While we may agree that corruption exists; it may be even rampant, there is no way I could ever agree that any politician will solve it.
The most frightening part of believing that one politician with the help of generals could save any country becomes clear when you read this definition:
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.
Not sure where you are getting your definitions from, but its purely propaganda designed to paint the wrong side as the enemy while they steal Americas sovereignty claiming they are the good side.
Was George Washington a fascist when he wanted to stop the British establishment controlled by the Rothschilds from over taxation and total control without representation of Americas people? Was James Madison?
Fascism is a left wing ideology. Fascism depends on corporatist to control a government as puppets, much like your democratic party today. Rather than communism where business owners become the government. Mussolini was a perfect example. Mussolini destroyed the economic value of his country by hurting businesses not controlled by the corporate establishment. Much like Democrats today. The majority of leaders who ransack their county in the same of social justice and equality are always socialist. They always segregate their people by race and put them in poverty. Fascism means only corporate businesses in "the club" get to succeed. Think of our current media today, while alternative media constantly gets attacked. Think of how Google, YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, take over the "social" concept of communication. They are all controlled by the Democrats and its establishment. This is fascism. These are the same people controlling your definitions, and telling you that its Trump who is the bad guy, even though by almost every metric the American people are doing better. Notice how the left fascist establishment doesnt want America to be great or for its people to be proud of its country, or for people to succeed. They want poor sheep they can control. California is a perfect example of a fascist state, as more and more go homeless.
"Right wing" people, like me, simply want everyone to succeed by becoming valuable in society. We want less taxes so people can keep more of their money and save and use it. Fascist want to raise taxes on everything because they corporate owners benefit from lack of competition. High taxes put people out of jobs and on the street. Its written in history. High taxes create high prices. Right wingers want competition because it creates better products and gives us choices. We want strong families and more opportunities for work so that they can be well off. We want positive news and positive outlooks on life. Not jealously and envy.
The complete propaganda like these definitions against right wing people is what is very concerning and it's one reason why I am so outspoken about this. I am trying to change your idea of what you have read about conservatives because it's very wrong, Republicans have always fought for individual rights, rights of the people, prosperity of the people, and freedom of the people. Just look at the civil war. Look at the Whig party. Nothing has changed. Only the Democrats and its establishment have taken over corporate media to manipulate your perception of the good hard working people in society.
"Right wing" people, like me, simply want everyone to succeed by becoming valuable in society. We want less taxes so people can keep more of their money and save and use it. Fascist want to raise taxes on everything because they corporate owners benefit from lack of competition. High taxes put people out of jobs and on the street. Its written in history. High taxes create high prices. Right wingers want competition because it creates better products and gives us choices. We want strong families and more opportunities for work so that they can be well off. We want positive news and positive outlooks on life. Not jealously and envy.
The complete propaganda like these definitions against right wing people is what is very concerning and it's one reason why I am so outspoken about this. I am trying to change your idea of what you have read about conservatives because it's very wrong, Republicans have always fought for individual rights, rights of the people, prosperity of the people, and freedom of the people. Just look at the civil war. Look at the Whig party. Nothing has changed. Only the Democrats and its establishment have taken over corporate media to manipulate your perception of the good hard working people in society.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
So you disagree with this????
I disagree with the underlying statement that one side of this debate is completely right and the other is completely wrong.
I disagree with the underlying statement that one side of this debate is completely right and the other is completely wrong.
While we may agree that corruption exists; it may be even rampant, there is no way I could ever agree that any politician will solve it.
The most frightening part of believing that one politician with the help of generals could save any country becomes clear when you read this definition:
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.
That definition of fascism is wrong. You'll notice how well it describes Cuba for instance, except the far right part.
Fascism was never right wing, that's an old Communist lie. Fascism is Italian totalitarian socialism.
In modern usage the term simply means you disagree with left wing ideology.
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.
The political theorist Hannah Arendt once wrote that the most successful totalitarian leaders of the 20th century instilled in their followers “a mixture of gullibility and cynicism.” When they were lied to, they chose to believe it. When a lie was debunked, they claimed they’d known all along—and would then “admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.” Over time, Arendt wrote, the onslaught of propaganda conditioned people to “believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true.”
Remember that guy who was missing from the CDC and then found dead in a forest miles from his house next to a stream a few years ago? Was an interesting mystery. A total coverup. The CDC is a sketch place under sketch leadership. I wouldn't be surprised at any 'mishap' they may have. That place should completely irradicate every virus and bio bacteria they have. If not, it always will be a risk from incompetent people messing up that could lead to dangerous outcomes.
I agree with you. I think that that is one way of putting it.
All this reminds of something I read last month:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/)
I actually have not heard this story.
I just dont understand how you people believe in this propaganda.
When they are trying to commit multiple coups on a duely elected president after we gave the insurgency president and his 'wife' a chance. Thats not fascism? I will not stand for it any longer.What exactly are you doing now when you say you're standing for something? Is it posting on a video game forum expressing gullibility to YouTube and other social media outlets? Written by people (usually as a joke) to see how many fish they can get on their hooks?
It's beyond my comprehension how anyone with any common sense or basic independent thought process can actually believe what your are posting about.
Yeah,
I'm the one with no common sense or reason while Biden goes around smelling little children.
Have fun supporting your failing pedo clowns. It honestly makes me sick that you mock me. You dont know what I have researched that I cannot share here.
You all will be in for a major shock in a few months. Mark my words.
Yeah,
You all will be in for a major shock in a few months. Mark my words.
Yup. End of the world. AmIright? Words are marked. You’re wrong but of course that’ll just be more of your useless endless posting about whatever.
Look man. Do yourself a favor. Look these 2 things up. Study them and embrace them with the same fanatical zeal.
Critical thinking
Deductive reasoning
Yup. End of the world. AmIright? Words are marked. You’re wrong but of course that’ll just be more of your useless endless posting about whatever.
Look man. Do yourself a favor. Look these 2 things up. Study them and embrace them with the same fanatical zeal.
Critical thinking
Deductive reasoning
And maybe a prescription for Risperidone.
Who is this clown?Broken record time huh? Has a fuse tripped?
Do you even play AH? What's your call sign?
It honestly makes me sick that you mock me. You dont know what I have researched that I cannot share here.
You all will be in for a major shock in a few months. Mark my words.
If you exercise your freedom of speech to deliver your point of view, then you should have the maturity to understand that no matter how much you read, or watch YouTube - There will always be opposing views, and you don’t know it all.
The same opportunity is provided to everybody so they may exercise their rights & freedom of speech, no matter if they are left or right or you.
BTW, you are not in the Intelligence, Law Enforcement, or Military community’s, so any information you cannot share - isn’t really that important.
Just put the keyboard down crawl away.
Not in for any rude awakening. Crap happens. Assess and respond like was said, it’s otherwise known as living a life. It’s not always fun but its what grown ups do.
When you are to grown up and face fear, you’ll see the same. Best of luck!
NOPE! Not gonna happen, axxhole.
I do not know the writer or the publisher but if these beliefs are as widespread as it suggests it's quite scary.
In the need to gain a greater understanding of some of the points made in this thread, an internet search lead to this article.
http://politicalcritique.org/world/2018/paranoia-and-the-post-modern-right/
I do not know the writer or the publisher but if these beliefs are as widespread as it suggests it's quite scary.
No worries that's just a left wing circle jerk site. The"Right" that the left talks about doesn't exist. There are fringe people at both ends of the spectrum but the real divide is between the left and normal people. For example here in CT two winners of state girls track championships are boys.
In the 60's normal people were 'squares', now they're everything that's bad and the cause of all suffering. :D
So you disagree with this????
NOPE! Not gonna happen, axxhole.
No worries that's just a left wing circle jerk site. The"Right" that the left talks about doesn't exist. There are fringe people at both ends of the spectrum but the real divide is between the left and normal people. For example here in CT two winners of state girls track championships are boys.
In the 60's normal people were 'squares', now they're everything that's bad and the cause of all suffering. :D
And so the fear turns to aggression.. the same traits are noticed in small dogs. Act out with an abundance of aggression to cover up the under lying pee on themselves fear.
We get it bro.. paranoia and crippling fear drive you to read and justify your world view. Then you get mad when most people don’t share your extreme view points, even when you present them as though you’re trying to protect others. Problem is again, most people can make decisions on what to believe with logic, critical thinking and common sense. Those that can’t or wont get caught up in the endless abyss of self reinforcing fear addiction.
BTW.. I see you have learned something from all those sci-fi shows you watch in the post above.. pull an old quote from someone regarding a separate sub-issue and apply out to whatever your trying to spread. That’s misinformation propaganda right 101 there.. :banana:
If anyone doesn't think the Democrats aren't politicizing this flu they are kidding themselves.
Many want this to be trumps Katrina.
Hard these days to tell truth from an exaggerated political agenda as the MSM is definitely liberal and hates this POTUS and want him out at any cost.
Its 1984 and Idiocracy combined!
<S>
Eagler
Just so we’re on the same page.... if it’s bad, Liberals/Left/Dems did it. If it’s good Trump did it. Can any Magat list 3 things tRump has totally screwed up? Isn’t he in charge of everything? So doesn’t he have to take responsibility for those areas he complains about? He takes responsibility for things like opening a new Apple factory in Texas (which had zero to do with him) but doesn’t take responsibility for people crapping in streets?
Man with that arrogance, how he not be the best prez ever?
Critical thinking and logic tell me you are a dumbaxx idiot shill who needs to stop playing video games for 58 hours a month and go do some real research. But, arrogant dumb people like you are why Trump is going to win another 4 years in office and continue to dismantle all of the rat lines and networks of the cowardly deep state. Oh and how about those jobs #s today. Beating expectations by almost 100K jobs, bringing unemployment to another 50 year low.
Cry me a river, losers.
Arrogance will be your downfall.
If you want the medical side of coronavirus without any agendas, this guy is top notch.
If you want tons of the latest data, this guy delivers the data but with some opinion.
Don't let the flashy thumbnails make you think these are two conspiracy theorists. They both have a medical phd, and more importantly, almost real time data sources.
The "medcram" guy has been a great resource for years since he is on the front lines running either the ER or Critical Care unit.
The Peak Prosperity guy has mainly been a financial commentator (yes, another PHD) but he's posting on what he feels is important. He may include the financial angle just a little just because it's his main job.
Both are great sources of data with which you can form your own opinions whether you agree with what these two are saying or not.
I normally get all of my medical information from the servers of medical institutions or colleges but current events are moving too fast to find the latest information.
If you have any pulmonary issues, you have to do your best not to become infected.
Just watched that first video. That's a good one. Crazy to me that the media is over blowing this. 3300 (another 33 LOL) deaths out of what, 6 billion people. 96,000 cases known cases. Thats the size of a regular sized stadium.
Its interesting how all of the cases in America are popping up in left garbage cities. I am still estimating less than 100 US deaths.
Just so we’re on the same page.... if it’s bad, Liberals/Left/Dems did it. If it’s good Trump did it. Can any Magat list 3 things tRump has totally screwed up? Isn’t he in charge of everything? So doesn’t he have to take responsibility for those areas he complains about? He takes responsibility for things like opening a new Apple factory in Texas (which had zero to do with him) but doesn’t take responsibility for people crapping in streets?
Man with that arrogance, how he not be the best prez ever?
I am still estimating less than 100 US deaths.
If you want the medical side of coronavirus without any agendas, this guy is top notch.
If you want tons of the latest data, this guy delivers the data but with some opinion.
Recorded. :rolleyes:
[Edit] Just for clarification, or unless you try to weasel out later, lets say between now and 12 months from now, 2021/03/06, you predict there will be less than 100 US CoronaVirus/COVID-19 deaths?
Confirmed case in Tulsa County... :noid
Hey fire tech.... I'm waiting on your answer still...
Confirmed case in Tulsa County... :noid
Hey fire tech.... I'm waiting on your answer still...
Oh sorry man. Out living a life while I still can. Drinks and dinner with friends, the usual. Funny how you skipped my questions with no answer but are waiting on mine.
Yes, I’ll happily disagree with it. Anyone with a basic intelligence would disagree with a blatantly biased statement masquerading as a question. If you had an actual question that made the slightest bit of sense, I would answer it also.
Now.I’ll make it easy for you. Give 3 examples of the current president saying or doing something that was against the betterment of USA.
The majority of the USA can fill this entire forum with a list. How about you list just 3?
Now.ill make it easy for you. Give 3 examples of the current president
I have NOTHING :headscratch: He is pretty much doing things like I probably would. Pretty sure that I wouldnt Tweet like he does, or make up "Nicknames" for my adversaries but other than that...I am at a loss. I havent seen anything he has said or done, that has caused any harm to US. There is a LOT of speculation, as too POSSIBLE adverse effects but that is like Beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder. YMMV, but for me, So Far, its all :aok
Oh sorry man. Out living a life while I still can. Drinks and dinner with friends, the usual. Funny how you skipped my questions with no answer but are waiting on mine.
Yes, I’ll happily disagree with it. Anyone with a basic intelligence would disagree with a blatantly biased statement masquerading as a question. If you had an actual question that made the slightest bit of sense, I would answer it also.
Now.ill make it easy for you. Give 3 examples of the current president saying or doing something that was against the betterment of USA.
The majority of the USA can fill this entire forum with a list. How about you list just 3?
Perfect example of a shill fraud post.
Perfect example of a shill fraud post.
Thank you
Firetech....pathetic.... You didn't answer my question...hilarious
So just for the record Firetech does not believe in the American dream... He doesn't believe that people should be in charge of their own lives... He doesn't believe that people should strive to make their community better or help their neighbors...
Firetech and others with TDS are what's wrong with this pictures
Firetech...who in the hell brought up POTUS??? You.
The question was whether or not you agree with the basic American values of society... And you don't...
Semp he's a kid, be nice and he'll learn faster.
who is a kid?
I am. I just turned 9 years old. Next year. Double digits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they let me run with scissors in my hands!!!! :D
Yes, I've been playing this game for 13 years. I love the new math. :devil
An ideology test -- sneering condescension is a great tool, used by both sides of our bifurcated society.
And they let me run with scissors in my hands!!!! :D
Maybe they're hope for an accident. :t
Used well by one side. :D
Sneering derision toward groups of people is a very stupid tactic. It builds in them an incandescent desire to work against you in every way possible.
Are you sure you're happy that your preferred side is good at it?
Common core math! Lets make cube trains instead of teaching math like how it used to be taught :banana:
Recorded. :rolleyes:
[Edit] Just for clarification, or unless you try to weasel out later, lets say between now and 12 months from now, 2021/03/06, you predict there will be less than 100 US CoronaVirus/COVID-19 deaths?
For some reason I thought this was about corona virus.
Brooke, mind taking a look at this guys stuff and commenting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3etuaYTDwFI&feature=em-lsp
Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency.
It's wrong to assuage the public by saying "only 2% will die."
People aren't adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease.
For some reason I thought this was about corona virus.
Brooke, mind taking a look at this guys stuff and commenting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3etuaYTDwFI&feature=em-lsp
with clay and a sharp stick?
semp
I'm concerned about SARS-2, but I don't know if it will end up being horrific (like a million dead Americans) or more like a bad flu season.
-- Infection rates and death rates don't seem to be exponential. (If true, this is *very* good.)
-- We aren't currently hearing of 20 deaths, then 200, then 2000 in the US.
-- Hospitals aren't overwhelmed currently.
-- Infection rates in China are supposedly going down.
-- Warmer weather is coming, and infection rate might go way down.
-- Lots of businesses (and thus related jobs) are, I suspect, going to get creamed.
hate to tell you but neither does violator. him and his conspiracy theories calling others cockroaches, traitors and other stupid comments.
he claims whatever he listens to is the only right way. that dude is so far gone that he actually believes there's 60k secret indictments which is surprising because a while ago, he claimed there were 93k secret indictments.
the American basic values of society was just a dream based on who you ask.
you defending a guy that years ago claimed Americans were gonna be held in concentration camps. and i can go on and on, but violator proved everything i have said just in this thread alone.
semp
<insert 4chan rant here...>
The liberal, sell out your children agenda, is OVER.
Isnt it strange how you losers constantly attack Trump every day while Obama ordered over 2500 drone strikes In Syria, overthrew the Lybian government, had ambassadors killed, funded isis, sold out to russia and iran, committed a coup in Ukraine, sold us out to China, and committed false flag attacks on Americans to take our guns.
Now the left is hoping people get sick so that they can short the markets and make Trump look bad. Its sick.
You will never be able to convince me he isnt 100x times better than all of your coward clowns. He makes me proud to be an American every single day. If you don't like that he is making America better and stronger every day. You can eat crap. I am tired of your peoples crap liberal agenda. I am glad your pathetic side is getting what's coming for em.
That's like saying . . .
Don't rely on that.
(Sorry, I'm going to make you mad.)
I believe this is a once in 100 year black swan.
A cockroach, coward, and a traitor.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-acting-inspector-general-us-department-homeland-security-indicted-theft-government
You see I have 0 sympathy for peices of crap who abuse our people and sell us out.
The liberal, sell out your children agenda, is OVER.
Isnt it strange how you losers constantly attack Trump every day while Obama ordered over 2500 drone strikes In Syria, overthrew the Lybian government, had ambassadors killed, funded isis, sold out to russia and iran, committed a coup in Ukraine, sold us out to China, and committed false flag attacks on Americans to take our guns.
Now the left is hoping people get sick so that they can short the markets and make Trump look bad. Its sick.
You will never be able to convince me he isnt 100x times better than all of your coward clowns. He makes me proud to be an American every single day. If you don't like that he is making America better and stronger every day. You can eat crap. I am tired of your peoples crap liberal agenda. I am glad your pathetic side is getting what's coming for em.
Can you guys stop poking the crazy train so we can talk about the actual subject matter. Thanks.
I'm concerned about SARS-2, but I don't know if it will end up being horrific (like a million dead Americans) or more like a bad flu season.
Things that give me hope it won't be so bad (but see below):
-- Infection rates and death rates don't seem to be exponential. (If true, this is *very* good.)
-- We aren't currently hearing of 20 deaths, then 200, then 2000 in the US.
-- Hospitals aren't overwhelmed currently.
-- Infection rates in China are supposedly going down.
-- Death rate is perhaps a lot lower than 1-3% since number of people infected is probably way higher than confirmed cases.
-- Warmer weather is coming, and infection rate might go way down.
But:
-- It's still early in the process.
-- Could easily take a year for a vaccine.
-- Testing in the US is botched so badly that we don't know infection rates. (This makes me angry. The US had months of advanced notice and more money than anyone. It's so badly botched that it opens up suspicion. However, the power of ineptitude and mistakes is very large.)
-- Will our organizations tell the common man true infection rates and death rates?
-- It would take only a small increase in need for special care in hospitals to swamp them.
-- Is infection rate in China truly going down?
-- Lots of businesses (and thus related jobs) are, I suspect, going to get creamed.
Can we take up a collection to bring Skuzzy back, just to monitor the boards? Sooner or later, even we mild-mannered types probably will start to respond to this sort of ugliness. Madness must follow.
- oldman
I'm concerned about SARS-2, but I don't know if it will end up being horrific (like a million dead Americans) or more like a bad flu season.
Things that give me hope it won't be so bad (but see below):
-- Infection rates and death rates don't seem to be exponential. (If true, this is *very* good.)
-- We aren't currently hearing of 20 deaths, then 200, then 2000 in the US.
-- Hospitals aren't overwhelmed currently.
-- Infection rates in China are supposedly going down.
-- Death rate is perhaps a lot lower than 1-3% since number of people infected is probably way higher than confirmed cases.
-- Warmer weather is coming, and infection rate might go way down.
But:
-- It's still early in the process.
-- Could easily take a year for a vaccine.
-- Testing in the US is botched so badly that we don't know infection rates. (This makes me angry. The US had months of advanced notice and more money than anyone. It's so badly botched that it opens up suspicion. However, the power of ineptitude and mistakes is very large.)
-- Will our organizations tell the common man true infection rates and death rates?
-- It would take only a small increase in need for special care in hospitals to swamp them.
-- Is infection rate in China truly going down?
-- Lots of businesses (and thus related jobs) are, I suspect, going to get creamed.
In the end, our choices range from doing nothing (live as usual) to living in a sealed plastic bubble, and it depends on our specific situation.
I have two 10 year olds. One has at times needed hospitalization for breathing after getting respiratory infections. I have elderly parents. One is medically immunosuppressed for Crohn's disease. We all live in or next to Kirkland, Washington -- US ground zero. When people say, "It only seriously affects old people or people with conditions," I don't think, "Oh, that's fine then."
So, here's what I do. I would be keeping my kids out of school even if schools weren't closed (which they are) for at least a couple of weeks while I see how this is playing out. (I perhaps wouldn't do that if we weren't in ground zero, or if one of them weren't more susceptible to breathing problems.) We mostly stay home and don't go to places with lots of people (restaurants, the gym, the mall, the movie theater). I don't eat restaurant-prepared food much (as that goes through many hands). The adults are careful about putting fingers in mouths or rubbing eyes, using hand sanitizer after using an ATM, gas pump, etc. When I come home from work, I wash my hands and put on a different shirt before I hug my kids and wife. Everyone washes hands before eating. I wipe my mobile phone down with an alcohol swab before I come home for the day. I don't kiss my kids or even my wife on their faces for now. I reduce the number of days per week that I eat lunch next to co-workers.
I will do this while I see how it goes here at US ground zero.
It's going to be <100 in America.
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While I think it will continue to spread a little bit, it's going to be over by the end of March.
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Dont blame me for what your people did. Dont F act like I am not suppose to be mad for what these cowards are doing to my country. I am so tired of losers giving the last administration a pass while they constantly go after Trump. I am really F tired of it.
Go cry me a river Oldman. You want to make silly comments about me? I will gladly respond and shove it in your face to call out hypocrites like you and others.
You're mad at the wrong people for the wrong reasons and you don't know why (or seem to care). If you were capable of taking a time out and practicing introspection then you wouldn't look like a child throwing reckless fits in public at everything you perceive to be a threat to your bubble.
Be angry. Be angry at those who served this nation in your steed. Be mad at everyone that isn't as gullible as you are when it comes to your brand of political conspiracies. Be mad at the mailman that delivers your bills. Be mad at everyone but fellow q-heads. Most of all, be mad over the fun that'll be made of you for acting so foolish. We all know, by now, its an infatuation you're saddled with for life.
You and your Soviets will fail, loser.
so·vi·et
/ˈsōvēət/
noun
1.
an elected local, district, or national council in the former Soviet Union.
2.
a citizen of the former Soviet Union.
adjective
of or concerning the former Soviet Union.
"the Soviet leader"
Which highlights another reason you're not to be taken seriously, as a rational poster or a 'winner.' ;)
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Containment is over. We are in the mitigation phase. Try and slow it enough to buy time for a vaccine that is still a long ways off.
Saw this on FB:
Why do you act just like them then?
Your paranoia and projection does not equate to me (or anyone else) being 'soviet.' Were you even alive during the Cold War? You really need a better source to connect with reality.
Arrogant and oblivious...
How? You like to accuse others of being all sorts of things. What you fail at is proving it.
Sigh...
https://thenationalsentinel.com/2020/03/08/deep-state-is-petrified-trump-is-going-to-be-the-president-who-finally-holds-intel-community-accountable/
Sigh...
https://thenationalsentinel.com/2020/03/08/deep-state-is-petrified-trump-is-going-to-be-the-president-who-finally-holds-intel-community-accountable/
I think we were warned not to get them wet and definitely no food after midnight.
Why not just say honest and decent people don't need the bill of rights?
Like say Cuba. :D
Why not just say honest and decent people don't need the bill of rights?
Like say Cuba. :D
On a side note, I hope you might be coming to the Boston area some time in the future. If so, lunch is on me.
Honest and decent people do not fear an investigation,
So using powers not granted to private citizens to avoid investigations and the results thereof, is entrenched in the Bill of Rights? I don't think Mr. Madison was a huge fan of Kings or Emperors.
Only if they don't know what that can entail.
May you never learn first hand how law suits and legal proceedings can be used as weapons to ruin the lives even of innocent people.
I can probably find some books with examples, if you want to get a flavor for how it is done.
Only if they don't know what that can entail.
May you never learn first hand how law suits and legal proceedings can be used as weapons to ruin the lives even of innocent people.
I can probably find some books with examples, if you want to get a flavor for how it is done.
I was just noticing the parallels between your stated position and the totalitarian police state mindset.
I'm not going to argue the proper response to political witch hunts. I think we agree on that, just not on who is doing it.
trading halted citing concerns of oil prices and covid-19
I appreciate the damage of civil litigation. I was referring to the rule of law. If all faith in jurisprudence is lost, you're left with anarchy.
I don't think we do agree. I have no idea how a totalitarian police state factors into the discussion. I believe in due process of law. The judiciary must be independent of the legislature. The suggestion that any judicial investigation or the results thereof is a witch hunt, demeans the principal of due process.
We agree on due process and the rule of law. Presumption of guilt by insinuation that privacy is not sufficient motivation in itself is not due process.
The notion that a judicial investigation always follows due process and cannot be politicized is naive and disproved by relevant recent events with the FISA court.
I appreciate the damage of civil litigation. I was referring to the rule of law. If all faith in jurisprudence is lost, you're left with anarchy.
trading halted citing concerns of oil prices and covid-19
Wow. Just...wow. -2000 and the dying hasn't even started yet.
I wonder what it will be two months when deaths are hitting the thousands and the hospitals are full and can't take more patients. Imagine severe cases showing up at the hospital and being handed a bottle of Tylenol and told to go home and ride it out the best they can. Drink plenty of fluids. Good luck. :O
it's going to be a long two years until a vaccine is readily available. Might be the longest two years any of us have ever experienced. For those of us who make it that far.
[edit] Started typing this and it was -1900. Looked over and it was -2000. Had to edit. Looked over and it was -2127. Things are moving fast.
I am sorry; I did not understand your second sentence but there should never be a presumption of guilt or innocence. That is for the process to determine.
And you're so right; the fact that the judiciary is politicized now suggests the start of a slippery slope not envisioned by the Framers.
Dude.... this ain't China LOL.
There is more to this virus than just another flu...
It is being used as a financial tool to do the nasty work of crushing this over bloated market back down into more realistic numbers/values.
The fact it makes a certain US leader the most vulnerable yet in his otherwise in the lock upcoming election is all the more reason for many to be more excited with that prospect than any global pandemic fears they might also have.
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Eagler
This topic is WAAAY of the rails with conspiracy theories and political hogwash. INdeed time for it to die.
The fact remains the same...There is a large faction of "dirty cops" embedded in the government that are hell bent on destroying America from the inside. ITS FACT...IT IS DOCUMENTED FACT!!!
Where can we find those documents of fact?
I am sorry; I did not understand your second sentence but there should never be a presumption of guilt or innocence. That is for the process to determine.
And you're so right; the fact that the judiciary is politicized now suggests the start of a slippery slope not envisioned by the Framers.
Pretty impressive action out of New York.
I promise you there is a large faction of people that want just that...
They want the markets to fail...they want mass death...they want insurrection...they want orange man bad out of DC...
They want the middle class to be in disarray, they want us poor and needy...remember this.
Even though more and more entire countries are going on full lockdown in response to this, here in America the democrats are blowing it out of proportion? Those democrats must control those other countries also in order for the whole country to go on lockdown. Those countries must only be listening to the US liberal news sources for their information then since they are blowing it way out of proportion.
Your great and powerful leader isn't looking so great and powerful since he can't stop the spread of the virus. Dow Jones just ended it's worse day in history but that's not his fault, is it. That's the news and liberals. If he was so great and powerful, why didn't he fix the problem before it happened? How could the liberals have so much influence? He takes all the credit for anything good but anything bad is someone else's fault. That's shady right there. When this blows up, he'll say it's Pence's fault and clean house again. What is he on now, 4 chief of staffs?
His first real test of a national emergency and he's failing miserably. Lying and misdirecting as always. Meanwhile the clueless gold digging immigrant he's married to is gloating about building tennis courts with taxpayer dollars. He's down spending more of your tax dollars to his company playing golf.
Failed what???? How many people have died so far in the US??? 2!!???
Failed what???? How many people have died so far in the US??? 2!!???
What are you even talking about...what has anyone lied about??? Have they lied about the amount of people dying??? Or about how many people have it??? Or have they lied about the recovery rate that is at about 99 percent worldwide...
Here is one for ya Firetech...who hasn't answered my question still. I voted for Algore. I am a registered Democrat. But I am not a dad gum socialist...in no shape form or fashion...and i will not associate myself with socialists...if you think OMB is bad for the country you need your head examined...if you think the way health insurance should be ran is giving it to everyone you need your head examined...if you think we should let in anyone who wants to come in the country you really need your head examined. Now Firetech, who wont answer a simple question, I pose this question...
Do you Firetech...or for that matter anyone reading this thread...Do you think that everyone should be responsible for their own actions? Do you think that everyone should try their hardest to be a contributing member of their community/society? Do you believe that competition is the best thing for our economy? Do you believe that taxes make the economy increase or decrease?
I'm waiting...
Over 400 pages of abuse...
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf)
Over 17 specific lies...oddly enough they only go one way :noid :noid :noid
Bow out fork...stop reading if you dont like it...
You make a statement as factual about “17 specific lies” when the Inspector General didn’t say that. He identified 17 “inaccuracies and omissions”. He specifically identified the difference between what he concluded as deliberate acts and acts of incompetence.
There is a difference between inaccuracies or “lies” if you prefer, and incompetence. That would be like me saying that your statement as written is a specific lie when in fact it isn’t.
BTW The OIG report written by the Inspector General concluded that in the end - the investigation was justified.
So again where can I find documents of factual information about where “There is a large faction of "dirty cops" embedded in the government that are hell bent on destroying America from the inside.”? Cuz the OIG report failed to mention anything about that.
Page 294: Hillary clinton and foundation "crimes against children".
"Worth remembering" Q post 3360
Guess what # the letter Q is in alphabet..... 17.
The best is yet to come ;)
tell us again about them contrails.
semp
Does an aluminium foil cap stop them from reading our thoughts?
Page 294: Hillary clinton and foundation "crimes against children".
"Worth remembering" Q post 3360
Guess what # the letter Q is in alphabet..... 17.
The best is yet to come ;)
tell us again about them contrails.
semp
Dont blame me for what your people did. Dont F act like I am not suppose to be mad for what these cowards are doing to my country. I am so tired of losers giving the last administration a pass while they constantly go after Trump. I am really F tired of it.
Go cry me a river Oldman. You want to make silly comments about me? I will gladly respond and shove it in your face to call out hypocrites like you and others.
Oh and I would like to scientifically know why some contrails disburse 1-2 miles behind the planes, and not other, which last for 10 minutes and spread out, during a high pressure atmosphere with no clouds.
Page 294: Hillary clinton and foundation "crimes against children".Uh-O not you again.....lol
"Worth remembering" Q post 3360
Guess what # the letter Q is in alphabet..... 17.
The best is yet to come ;)
Yall keep hoping more will die. I am sure you will enjoy the bodies laying about. You may be disappointed though. I prefer to hope you are disappointed.
Finally a question that I can answer. (I am a retired airline pilot).
Jet Fuel (barely more sophisticated than Kerosene) is a hydro carbon. When a jet engine burns (oxidizes) a hydro carbon, one of the byproducts (an incidental or secondary product made in the manufacture or synthesis of something else) is water.
The jet thrust is intensely powerful so as it expels the water created in the combustion, it expands rapidly causing extremely fast cooling. That combined with the usual extreme cold at altitude (typically -60ish), creates a stream of ice crystals.
Whether that contrail 1:appears at all or 2: appears to be very short or 3: seems to last over the horizon, is strictly a function of the relative humidity of the airmass that the jet is flying through. Contrails can only occur in a relatively "wet" airmass. If the air is more normally quite dry at high altitude, the ice crystals sublimate into the atmosphere quite quickly... hence a very short trail or none at all.
You may have seen a jet ""conning" quite dramatically then suddenly stop. That's usually a sign that the jet has transitioned into a far dryer airmass... that often occurs when you are watching a jet that is still climbing.
Finally a question that I can answer. (I am a retired airline pilot).
Jet Fuel (barely more sophisticated than Kerosene) is a hydro carbon. When a jet engine burns (oxidizes) a hydro carbon, one of the byproducts (an incidental or secondary product made in the manufacture or synthesis of something else) is water.
The jet thrust is intensely powerful so as it expels the water created in the combustion, it expands rapidly causing extremely fast cooling. That combined with the usual extreme cold at altitude (typically -60ish), creates a stream of ice crystals.
Whether that contrail 1:appears at all or 2: appears to be very short or 3: seems to last over the horizon, is strictly a function of the relative humidity of the airmass that the jet is flying through. Contrails can only occur in a relatively "wet" airmass. If the air is more normally quite dry at high altitude, the ice crystals sublimate into the atmosphere quite quickly... hence a very short trail or none at all.
You may have seen a jet ""conning" quite dramatically then suddenly stop. That's usually a sign that the jet has transitioned into a far dryer airmass... that often occurs when you are watching a jet that is still climbing.
That's actually one of the better responses to that than I've heard. I'll have to ponder that a bit more.
Its just trippy to me when one day its sunny with no clouds in the sky, then the next day its sunny with no clouds in the sky with 8 lines across the sky for miles all spreading out. It paints a sky I'll tell ya. Just dont seem right.
Finally a question that I can answer. (I am a retired airline pilot).
You may have seen a jet ""conning" quite dramatically then suddenly stop. That's usually a sign that the jet has transitioned into a far dryer airmass... that often occurs when you are watching a jet that is still climbing.
That's actually one of the better responses to that than I've heard. I'll have to ponder that a bit more.
Its just trippy to me when one day its sunny with no clouds in the sky, then the next day its sunny with no clouds in the sky with 8 lines across the sky for miles all spreading out. It paints a sky I'll tell ya. Just dont seem right.
Fed dropped rates 3x to compensate for the subsequent economic disaster.
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Trump caused the upcoming recession.
Just dont seem right.
There are more things in economics and finance, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Many factors affect economies. Some of them, such as today's level of debt, are greater creatures than a current day's transitory tariffs. Most nations now have, thanks to institutions working at it over decades, vast and growing oceans of debt, far outside the domain of any one president or PM.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/U.S._Public_and_Private_Debt_as_a_%25_of_GDP.jpg)
There are more things in economics and finance, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Many factors affect economies. Some of them, such as today's level of debt, are greater creatures than a current day's transitory tariffs. Most nations now have, thanks to institutions working at it over decades, vast and growing oceans of debt, far outside the domain of any one president or PM.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/U.S._Public_and_Private_Debt_as_a_%25_of_GDP.jpg)
Calm down Kanye West.. just stating that he's the one claiming he alone gets the credit for all the growth of the stock market, in turn he gets all the blame when it goes down. Fair is fair, right?
Projecting evil intent is more DemonSlyr/Violator's thing and doesn't suit you, Shuf.
It is not I who is hoping for more deaths or appears to be based on posts.
Some of these folks need to read what they posted.
For your position to be honest, you would have to blame him for the corona virus which is the primary cause of the stock market decline. I don't believe any honest person can blame him for a global pandemic originating out of China. Can you honestly do that? The answer is no isn't it.
It's too bad this thread has turned into a toejam show of political propaganda. There is a very serious issue with this worldwide pandemic and the party is just beginning.
Petrol dollar and reserve currency and how they relate to this latest oil war is the bigger influence on the US stock markets IMHO.
Blame him for the virus.. no I wouldn't. That's just silly. Some others in this thread will blame folks or numbers or lizard people in our government for it. That's just silly also. It's a stretch for a normal person to make that association but obviously you think that way so you assume everyone does. Not everyone does.
I can blame him for the slow response to it and gaffs/lies and misdirection which is causing much more concern. Again, he takes credit for everything good but assigns blame for anything bad.
Why did the oil war become such a big thing anyways. As the greatest leader ever of the most powerful nation in the world, instead of golfing (spending your tax dollars at his resort), shouldn't he have been on the phone with those 2 helping to facilitate an agreement? Instead he misdirects and says price at the pumps will be better.
Things would be better if he would just step back at a time like this, put his twitter phone down and let the actual experts (he hasn't fired yet) do their job and give us a clear road map to make it through this. That's another pipe dream I'm afraid. Imagine how much more grade school it's going to get once he's quarantined for 14 days and does nothing but twitter all day. Ugh.. :bhead
While appreciate your misdirections and clear fondness for pointless argument to childishly thrash about , I'm not . So if you wish to behave like a reasoned adult and have a discussion, let's do so. Other than that I'll leave you to your own inadequacies.
Little late for that. You already piled in, full bore.
Finally a question that I can answer. (I am a retired airline pilot).
Jet Fuel (barely more sophisticated than Kerosene) is a hydro carbon. When a jet engine burns (oxidizes) a hydro carbon, one of the byproducts (an incidental or secondary product made in the manufacture or synthesis of something else) is water.
The jet thrust is intensely powerful so as it expels the water created in the combustion, it expands rapidly causing extremely fast cooling. That combined with the usual extreme cold at altitude (typically -60ish), creates a stream of ice crystals.
Whether that contrail 1:appears at all or 2: appears to be very short or 3: seems to last over the horizon, is strictly a function of the relative humidity of the airmass that the jet is flying through. Contrails can only occur in a relatively "wet" airmass. If the air is more normally quite dry at high altitude, the ice crystals sublimate into the atmosphere quite quickly... hence a very short trail or none at all.
You may have seen a jet ""conning" quite dramatically then suddenly stop. That's usually a sign that the jet has transitioned into a far dryer airmass... that often occurs when you are watching a jet that is still climbing.
We all make choices. He would find that people can be reasonable and discuss things like adults. For example, I agree that the US approach of minimizing the threat is entirely wrong and will result in a lot of carnage. He seems unable to carry on a discussion on an important matter, preferring some sort of self satisfaction by twisting about childishly and hurling petty insults. I don't get the same satisfaction as I don't have that personal weakness. So, my offer of reasoned rational discussion stands, I'm out on the childish response he will most likely follow on with which is a waste of everyone's time.
Or you could just admit you couldn't offer a counter response or even not posted at all instead of playing the 'I'm above your childishness' card for public consumption.
I realized by his response that he did not seem interested in discussion after all. Thus, I bowed out instead of getting pulled into a thrash fest of idiots more interested in propaganda and insults which is what this thread has predominantly become. Feel free to crow about.
Busher,you used a big word,sublimate..... Might have been better to say matter changed from a solid to a gas and skipped the liquid part.
You know like when Mom hung the laundry to dry in the winter,the clothes froze but were dry when brought in...amazing when facts and physics come into play.
:salute
PS: I find it strange when one thinks the only solution is to illuminate fellow countrymen,if they're left they just arent right.
If this was as bad as claimed, people would be dying left and right, hospitals would be over run, and you'd be seeing leaked videos like from China.
The attack on Trump that he's not doing enough is pathetic and makes this political whether you like it or not.
People are dying left and right, right now in in Italy, and because of this they have reacted. People were dying left and right in China before they reacted. They are not dying anymore because those who were to die have died, and the spread is contained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0kQvOANrWQ&t=1s (turn on subtitles)
In Europe the media is downplaying things, of course, as their favorites are running things.
Tell me, how does a city like Vancouver , in British Columbia Canada, not have a major outbreak considering it's a city with the most abundant Chinese people outside of China?
Less than 1000 people dying isn't "left or right" to me. They never describe the people dying or how they die.
I am seeing a major over reaction by the deep state world governments to make America look bad, to hurt our economy, and to control people.
Notice how its Trumps fault. No one else's. No one is blaming China even though Wuhan has a stage 4 bio center that harbours the Virus. The fact that only 3000 people died after all the videos and leaks and fear China was pushing, is telling me that it's not as bad as the media wants you to think.
Vancouver has about the same infection rate as Ontario,hmmm maybe because the largest Italian city outside of Rome is Toronto.
We took it serious and have SOCIAL healthcare so people can go see a Doctor or go to the hospital....Just the facts Ma'am just the facts.
But hey I hear you can get a lot accomplished on the golf course,I ought to know I was an avid golfer at one time.
:salute
The irony though is that most of the cases and deaths in the US are from a nursing home, people already in medical care.
Tell me, how does a city like Vancouver , in British Columbia Canada, not have a major outbreak considering it's a city with the most abundant Chinese people outside of China?
Less than 1000 people dying isn't "left or right" to me. They never describe the people dying or how they die.
I am seeing a major over reaction by the deep state world governments to make America look bad, to hurt our economy, and to control people.
Notice how its Trumps fault. No one else's. No one is blaming China even though Wuhan has a stage 4 bio center that harbours the Virus. The fact that only 3000 people died after all the videos and leaks and fear China was pushing, is telling me that it's not as bad as the media wants you to think.
I am seeing a major over reaction by the deep state world governments to make America look bad, to hurt our economy, and to control people.
You, and low info people like you who claim this isn't real because, "gee-golly no one I personally know has it!" or "It's all fake news by MSM to hurt Trump in the election!" are going to get more people killed through stupidity.
There is not major over-reaction. In this country there has been a major under-reaction and stumbling around, conspiracy theorizing, magical wishful thinking, and a lack of decisiveness. That is going to have proven tragic.
On an exponential curve, the only leverage you are going to get is at the very, very beginning. Once that curve takes off, even massive, heroic efforts won't make a dent. The only chance you have is to jump all over it in the first few days/hours. S. Korea was the poster-child for how to do it right. By the time this is all over, I'm afraid we are going to be the poster-child for how to have flubbed it at every step. The difference is gong to be measured in body bags.
This is real. This is here. Instead of obsessing over how to keep Trump from getting blamed for it, concentrate on how to help fight it.
Spot on.
That's actually one of the better responses to that than I've heard. I'll have to ponder that a bit more.
Its just trippy to me when one day its sunny with no clouds in the sky, then the next day its sunny with no clouds in the sky with 8 lines across the sky for miles all spreading out. It paints a sky I'll tell ya. Just dont seem right.
You, and low info people like you who claim this isn't real because, "gee-golly no one I personally know has it!" or "It's all fake news by MSM to hurt Trump in the election!" are going to get more people killed through stupidity.
There is not major over-reaction. In this country there has been a major under-reaction and stumbling around, conspiracy theorizing, magical wishful thinking, and a lack of decisiveness. That is going to have proven tragic.
On an exponential curve, the only leverage you are going to get is at the very, very beginning. Once that curve takes off, even massive, heroic efforts won't make a dent. The only chance you have is to jump all over it in the first few days/hours. S. Korea was the poster-child for how to do it right. By the time this is all over, I'm afraid we are going to be the poster-child for how to have flubbed it at every step. The difference is going to be measured in body bags.
This is real. This is here. Instead of obsessing over how to keep Trump from getting blamed for it, concentrate on how to help fight it.
Actually I've been mostly right from the beginning. People like you are the one creating unnecessary fear, hurting our markets, and blaming everything on one guy.
Actually I've been mostly right from the beginning. People like you are the one creating unnecessary fear, hurting our markets, and blaming everything on one guy.
Less than 30 people have passed away. Those people were all elderly in the hands of care professionals. Those people had preconditions.
You cant make fun of Trump for canceling travel and then say he didnt do enough to prevent any cases. It's the common cold for christ sakes. Look at how scared you and others are over the common cold.
More people died during the H1N1 fiasco and no one gave a crap then. Its obvious deep state manipulation and fear to hurt our country.
I can't believe what I just red.
I can't believe what I just red. This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. He is probably doing good things just now and is not in denial. In the other news Italy's first Coronavirus patient has recovered from his cold after being in the respirator. Only 168 new deaths in the last 24 hrs.
Whatever level of stupidity you think is impossible for anyone to exceed, DmonSlyer says, "Hold my beer...."
Talk BS all you want, I've been mostly right. You can spread fear all you want, your fear has not been as bad as what you have claimed from the beginning.
Are you right about it being over by the end of the month? No new US cases in April?
Less than 100 US CoronaVirus deaths over the next year?
This just in,
National Guard called in to contain major outbreak,Gov of NY says. Cant be possible as I heard he's a leftist,whatever that is.
:salute
bit misleading as people are allowed to come in and go. guard is there to help decontaminate buildings, whatever that means.
bit misleading as people are allowed to come in and go. guard is there to help decontaminate buildings, whatever that means.
semp
bit misleading as people are allowed to come in and go. guard is there to help decontaminate buildings, whatever that means.
semp
And is exactly how this event can be politicized....
Do you think such actions if needed or not calm fears or ignites them?
Sad when you can't trust your leaders or media as they all have their own selfish motives.
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Eagler
anything can be politized. for example i can tell you I hate pancakes and you literally can make a federal case out of it.
anything can be politized. for example i can tell you I hate pancakes and you literally can make a federal case out of it.
semp
Well, not Eagler, per say, but I bet there's someone in this thread that would see the leftist, commie, America hating, cowardly, insinuation in such.
Wait, so...what is this one about again? Is it the Aliens again?
:headscratch:
Wait, so...what is this one about again? Is it the Aliens again?
:headscratch:
Wait, so...what is this one about again? Is it the Aliens again?
:headscratch:
Wait, so...what is this one about again? Is it the Aliens again?
:headscratch:
Tell me, how does a city like Vancouver , in British Columbia Canada, not have a major outbreak considering it's a city with the most abundant Chinese people outside of China?
Now that sounds like pigeon-holing at its best. They are Chinese so they are the cause, more susceptible to the disease, or carriers of the virus...what?
Had you done a little educational reading, you would have learned that the vast majority of the Chinese people living in the greater Vancouver are descendants of the people who immigrated to the BC coast in the late 1780's... even before Canada was a country and 100 years before BC became a province of Canada. They are Canadians but they look different so that makes them evil??
Again, mouth in motion before brain in gear huh?
Gee golly, because no one would ever travel to Vancouver to go see their family or friends or something in a city with tons of Chinese people.
Funny how they traveled to washinton tho. How else does the virus get to Washington but not Vancouver? Everyone and their neighbor should be infected by now.
... the vast majority of the Chinese people living in the greater Vancouver are descendants of the people who immigrated to the BC coast in the late 1780's... .
Calm down Kanye West.
just stating that he's the one claiming he alone gets the credit for all the growth of the stock market, in turn he gets all the blame when it goes down. Fair is fair, right?
Seems you didn't (or couldn't) understand Busher's post:
But hardly vancouver, which has a huge chinese population that people escaping china would have flocked to.
Initial spread of infectious disease is like rolling dice. Seattle got snake eyes. Vancouver got box cars. Could have been the other way around. Both places have a lot of travel to and from china.
Both places have a lot of travel to and from china.
Okay...... the vast majority of people in washinton never had anything to do with china. Wtf would it start there? How the F does it goes from Washington to California to New York to Miami?
But hardly vancouver, which has a huge chinese population that people escaping china would have flocked to.
Thank God, this one did not first appear in Dallas Texas
Thank you Arlo for your comment. Do you also sometimes feel like you're trying to train a brick?
DS, why don't you try reading some publications on viruses, not newspapers - I mean medical texts. Viruses are the most common form of life on the planet. They mutate all the time and they exist as a parasite. Medicine cannot cure a virus, it can only prevent it from spreading, hopefully long enough to eradicate it. At least until the next one appears.
Thank God, this one did not first appear in Dallas Texas, but it just as easily could have. But I think you'll remain convinced it's all the fault of the Chinese.
anything can be politized. for example i can tell you I hate pancakes and you literally can make a federal case out of it..
semp
Well, not Eagler, per say, but I bet there's someone in this thread that would see the leftist, commie, America hating, cowardly, insinuation in such..
If a city is majority Chinese, it has a better chance of contracting a virus from a Chinese country. It makes logical sense.
This virus spreading does not make logical sense. Think about it. If a person had the virus on the plane coming to Seattle, all of those people could be infected. The questions is, how many of them actually were? If the virus spreads as badly as many say it does, than thousands in Seattle should have had it. Why is the virus not in any middle states like Idaho.
If you think logically, this whole thing is BS.
Yall should be smart enough to realize that instead of trusting a corrupt and cowardly media.
Your first sentence makes no sense. A huge segment of the people of New York are Irish. So that means they have a huge chance catching an Irish disease? What about the Italian New Yorkers. Did they cause Italy to have the second worst breakout after China.
"If you think logically, this whole thing is BS." I don't believe we have seen any logic out of you yet.
Lastly I have yet to see anything corrupt or cowardly out of the media yet. A no one has said anyone trusts them but as the only professed real American here, I am sure you defend the Bill of Rights where it says:
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws which regulate an establishment of religion, prohibit the free exercise of religion, or abridge the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press.....
Jesus.
@1:33
"This is just beginning.
[...]
Probably the best guess we have right now is [...] this could be at least 10 to 15 times worse than the worst flu season we've seen.
We conservatively estimate this could require 48 million hospitalizations with 96 million cases actually occurring, and 480 thousand deaths that can occur over the next 3 to 7 months."
It makes logical sense. If you were a Chinese person who wanted to escape china, and had family in a in another country, you would go there. Therefore, a lot of a Chinese people would have flocked to vancouver with a huge population of chinese people. How does that not make sense to you?
When the truth comes out about a lot of things, you will be in shock because you will wonder why your media covered it up (much like the ABC epstein cover up that project veritas exposed.)
One should get out of Troutucky once in a while. Perhaps you would see how big the world is and how small minded you are......
Oh and when exactly is the “Truth” going to come out? You have parroting that phrase for a couple years now. Or is that another one of those things you are not at liberty to discuss?.....lol
It makes logical sense. If you were a Chinese person who wanted to escape china, and had family in a in another country, you would go there. Therefore, a lot of a Chinese people would have flocked to vancouver with a huge population of chinese people. How does that not make sense to you?
Secondly, if a media is involved in a coup against the president, and involved in blaming an election on Russia. And in bed (literally) with many members of the previous administration. That means in is not free. That means its propaganda. That means it has been infiltrated. The nazi marxists Soviets have taken full advantage of our freedoms by taking over private corporations which are in Cahoots with elected officials, aka fascism. That is not freedom of the press. That is political propaganda designed to subvert the population. Good thing they are being sued for Libel though. When the truth comes out about a lot of things, you will be in shock because you will wonder why your media covered it up (much like the ABC epstein cover up that project veritas exposed.)
anything can be politized. for example i can tell you I hate pancakes and you literally can make a federal case out of it.
semp
Or say the $3 bottle of walmart brand maple syrup tastes better then the $20 bottle of pure canadian maple syrup
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I think all's good, now if he would have said 'flapjacks' then it would have been a different ballgame. :old:
Only you believe that the Media is conducting a Presidential coup. And you seem to believe it because he said so. Robert Mueller conducted a detailed investigation into whether Russia was involved in the election. I was not allowed to read the document nor was any other person. The evidence therein was as you will recall interpreted by the AG, then the document was sealed.
I for one wonder why. I could never accept that it's crap just because the President says so. I wouldn't believe that from the current President or any of the Presidents that came before.
I believe that a free press is there to hold the feet of Politicians to the fire. If they do something that benefits the nation it should be reported. If they do something stupid that harms the nation it should be reported. And if they do something corrupt, or criminal, that should make headlines, because God knows, politicians in general do not possess the integrity to police their own group.
No President is the second coming of the Messiah, not this one, not any of them. The Messiah is far too honest to want the job.
If I told you those 'russians' were hired by fusion GPS and many of them were in a global intelligence agency to spy on, and frame and entrapt Trump, and the media that you trust covered it all up and still tried to take him down every day. Would you still understand why they hid it and why Mueller looked like an idiot on the stand? Or would you call me crazy?
Will have a wall to keep out one set of Aliens and Space Force to keep out the others!
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MEGA! "Make Earth Great Again!"
Does that mean we are going to build a wall around the earth to keep out illegal aliens?
A highly simplistic estimate of SARS-2 in the Seattle area.
R0 (how many people a person infects) has been variously reported as between about 1.4 and 3.9, so let's use the middle: 2.65.
Let's assume it takes about a week on average between the time you get those first several viral particles and you infecting the next 2.65 people.
Then, (number of people infected) = 2.65^((number of days since patient zero)/7).
Patient Zero in Seattle was supposedly January 19 (about 52 days ago). So, Seattle area would be at 2.65^(52/7) = 1400 people currently by that simplistic model.
At 1-2% death rate (middle: 1.5%), that's 1400x0.015 = 21 deaths predicted by cartoon model.
Now explain for the kids the magical powers of Exponential Growth. Say, over 18 months.
A highly simplistic estimate of SARS-2 in the Seattle area.
R0 (how many people a person infects) has been variously reported as between about 1.4 and 3.9, so let's use the middle: 2.65.
Let's assume it takes about a week on average between the time you get those first several viral particles and you infecting the next 2.65 people.
Then, (number of people infected) = 2.65^((number of days since patient zero)/7).
Patient Zero in Seattle was supposedly January 19 (about 52 days ago). So, Seattle area would be at 2.65^(52/7) = 1400 people currently by that simplistic model.
At 1-2% death rate (middle: 1.5%), that's 1400x0.015 = 21 deaths predicted by cartoon model.
Nice... and to think, they are claiming only 800-1000 cases right now nation wide potentially.
There's a big difference, though, between confirmed cases and actual cases. Confirmed cases are the ones confirmed to have SARS-2. Those are the numbers you see. Actual cases are those plus all the people who haven't been tested and haven't even gone in to see a doctor because, for them, it isn't that severe.
Actual cases could be 5-10 times the number of confirmed cases.
I wouldn't ever call anyone crazy. That's a medical issue and I am not a psychiatrist.
I do admit don't understand your faith in Trump's infallibility. He's apparently the only one you believe can "clean the swamp".
I further have never seen Robert Mueller act like an idiot. He struck me as a rather intelligent well educated member of the judiciary. I would have preferred that the report arising from his investigation had been open for me to either accept or reject it based upon its merits or failings.
I sure as hell don't accept that the Sovereign is a good or righteous man of integrity just because he tells everyone that he is. There are far too many other people that say he isn't and no one since Jesus Christ is completely right.
Alright, we got this coming out.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03/10/trump-meets-with-health-insurance-ceos-amid-wuhan-virus-spread-n2564330
Bet yall didnt hear that in the media today.
Secondly, check this out. Had to share. The US Navel institute just tweeted today the movie "silent running".
https://mobile.twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1237496918399467523
Q posted yesterday "Silent running is a tactic used when..."
https://qmap.pub/
3rd post down #3892.
In reference to a Trump tweet.
Now what are the odds of that?
No fear.
I think our military knows exactly what's going on.
Only if the Aliens know they have to pay for it :bhead
But pay in what?
If it's with this:
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I'm ALL for it! :x
Thank you Arlo for your comment. Do you also sometimes feel like you're trying to train a brick?
DS, why don't you try reading some publications on viruses, not newspapers - I mean medical texts. Viruses are the most common form of life on the planet. They mutate all the time and they exist as a parasite. Medicine cannot cure a virus, it can only prevent it from spreading, hopefully long enough to eradicate it. At least until the next one appears.
Thank God, this one did not first appear in Dallas Texas, but it just as easily could have. But I think you'll remain convinced it's all the fault of the Chinese.
Pandemic, a book by Sonia Shah, predicted the current novel corona virus starting in a wet market in China.
The good news is if one is worried about such things as what " Q" just texted then life is good as you don't have any real issues going on currently in your life.
Violator,
The majority of people in Vancouver arent Chinese,they're Canadians!
Just the facts Ma'am just the facts.
Oh and Seattle has many companies that have ties to China,wonder how many came back before we even knew there was an issue with a virus?
Has anyone noticed the confirmed cases and deaths have increased slightly? Still not on par with the latest Flu deaths but it's not just 20 anymore.
In other news,I went to a boxing match last night and a hockey game broke out.
:salute
Probably central air in the basement with mom bringing hot meals down?
The good news is if one is worried about such things as what " Q" just texted then life is good as you don't have any real issues going on currently in your life.
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Eagler
Yes, but you dont think a single one of them has family in China? Or people have recently moved there from china? Surely there would be work going back and forth. Its just strange to me. I know how Chinese people are. You open one H mart and the whole neighborhood moves next to it, I've seen it.
IMO, the virus isnt moving as fast as you'd think, but it can travel 5,000 miles across the country, very weird. We in america and canada have much higher standards of cleanliness and less smokers than China, so what is bad over there wont be as bad here.
To me, its spreading very slow.
If you look at the Q map link i posted at the top, you will see that Qpost # 3893 (second to last post). He basically jokes about people calling them a person in their moms basement.
Not far from the truth. Ironically, when I got involved in this research, my life completely changed for the better. My spirituality was healed. I have been extremely happy since. Luckily I am in a stage of my life where I can research this stuff. Then Q came out and I was lucky to start following it from the very beginning. Perhaps soon you will understand the reason for Q, and for people like me to help show what's going on to people who dont have much time to really look into it.
V
One of my cousins is a wack job end of the world "prepper"
He is also a conspiracy nut job as everything is a conspiracy to him.
He is not saving or educating anyone as they try to avoid him and his crazy conversations.
I think he is using it as a distraction from larger issues in his life.
Take a chill pill and realize even if everything you think is a conspiracy actally was - it will not make one iota of a difference in your life or mine.
Your reaction to this noise looks from the outside to be causing much unnecessary strife and stress.
Relax and enjoy your day and let others worry about things totally out of their control - if they even exist.
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Eagler
V
One of my cousins is a wack job end of the world "prepper"
He is also a conspiracy nut job as everything is a conspiracy to him.
He is not saving or educating anyone as they try to avoid him and his crazy conversations.
I think he is using it as a distraction from larger issues in his life.
Take a chill pill and realize even if everything you think is a conspiracy actally was - it will not make one iota of a difference in your life or mine.
Your reaction to this noise looks from the outside to be causing much unnecessary strife and stress.
Relax and enjoy your day and let others worry about things totally out of their control - if they even exist.
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Eagler
I dont know about you but I am tired of paying $1,100 a month in taxes out of my hard earned pay check. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the media. I'm tired of hollywood. I'm tired of the music industry. When every Golly-geen album and or singer has to put a pyramid with an all seeing eye in it on their albums, or show it in their hand signs. I know there is an agenda. These are the same people turning their kids into girls, trying to tell us that global warming is going to end the earth in 10 years. I'm tired of it. The majority of these people have sold out and done some evil sick crap. We must all unite to take down their power of evil manipulation.
I dont know about you but I am tired of paying $1,100 a month in taxes out of my hard earned pay check. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the media. I'm tired of hollywood. I'm tired of the music industry. When every Golly-geen album and or singer has to put a pyramid with an all seeing eye in it on their albums, or show it in their hand signs. I know there is an agenda.
Go outside, get some sun and disconnect from the internet.
Relax and enjoy your day and let others worry about things totally out of their control - if they even exist.
Go take a break.. nothing is going to happen while you’re gone. Give it a few months. The next new world takeover will be there and the old ones that timed out will be forgotten. These things have always been around and will always be around. The breath of fresh air and clearing your mind out just might give you some new perspective.
Best thing for the paranoid to do is to disconnect. Starting with turning off the TV and the PC.
Did you say a breath of fresh air?
Why dont worry, Bidens got you!
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This isnt about 'political ideology' for me.
Ahh the nicer version of your clown huh?
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Yup.. This one will be locked soon I'm thinking.
Ahhh an American.
Meme war meme war meme war.....
:bolt:
To the conspiracy nutjobs:
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Epstein island was once a 'conspiracy theory'
Just wait till more comes out about that ;)
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Well, not all Americans are fit to be president.
Gonna be a lot of crow eaten on this thread.
I predict a surge in online gaming.
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Well, not all Americans are fit to be president.
I predict a surge in online gaming.yup :aok
I've been doing a few hours of study to try and understand some of what we might call "off-the-wall" statements posted in this thread. Its always my goal to understand rather than criticize and belittle. There's always time for that later.
A smarter man than I who has done extensive analysis of the Qanon phenomenon summarized as follows:
"there is a worldwide cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who rule the world, essentially, and they control everything. They control politicians, and they control the media. They control Hollywood, and they cover up their existence, essentially. And they would have continued ruling the world, were it not for the election of President Donald Trump."
I also learned that there seems to be no clear idea of the originator with theories ranging from a military intelligence officer, to Donald Trump himself.
One analyst in the attempt to define individuals attracted to the phenomenon wrote:
"He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millennialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date for the apocalypse... Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated – if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the individual directs his attention."
The sad part of my studies arose from this observation:
"People in the QAnon community often talk about alienation from family and friends. ... Though they typically talk about how Q frayed their relationships on private Facebook groups. But they think these issues are temporary and primarily the fault of others. They often comfort themselves by imagining that there will be a moment of vindication sometime in the near future which will prove their beliefs right. They imagine that after this happens, not only will their relationships be restored, but people will turn to them as leaders who understand what's going on better than the rest of us."
The good news in all of this is that some Q followers reportedly break away when they recognize the content of the theories is not self-consistent, or they see that some of the content is directly aimed at getting donations from a specific audience. This then "breaks the spell" the conspiracies had over them. Others reportedly have watched Q-debunking videos; one former believer claimed that the videos "saved" her.
We can only hope that our fellow AH'ers are as fortunate.
Well DmonSlr?
Less than 100 deaths from CoronaVirus over the next year?
This whole thing will have blown over by end of March?
crickets....
he'll just wait for another page of replays before posting again.
semp
This "acute stage" of the epidemic is dangerous because a significant percentage of the population will be too sick to work simultaneously.
It will eventually give way to "the new normal" where masks and disinfecting religiously are a part of everyday life.
What we don't want is a run on the banks.
Most of the trouble will be caused by morons who react way too late and become desperate enough to decide "there are no rules".
A good early indicator of impending trouble is watching how people are driving.
I've seen it often with hurricanes.
Are you even serious? This is your conclusion after a few hours of research? Finger pointing at who Q anon people are by some dingbats article?....
Cmon. You can do better than that.
But hey, when you and/or 17 pristine, top of the line, highly intelligent, agencies tells me who is the 'cult' leader. Then I'll lay it down. Until then, I'd be careful about who you read from regarding Q. Generally when I read 'disprovers', they are vague and very poorly written like the article above. Q himself has posted over 30 articles from 'mainstream ' sources 'disproving' Q and making fun of people.
Why don't you spend more time looking into the questions Q asked rather make fun of them? Would you ever believe that perhaps you are the one manipulated by a giant cult? The pyramid cult. I'm sure Firerech can tell you all about that since he is in full damage control for [them].
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I found this info from a medical professional in Italy to be interesting.
Jason Van Schoor
@jasonvanschoor
From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:
1/ ‘I feel the pressure to give you a quick personal update about what is happening in Italy, and also give some quick direct advice about what you should do.
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2/ First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Aus and don’t make the mistake to think that what is happening is happening in a 3rd world country.
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3/ The current situation is difficult to imagine and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by Covid-19, they are running 200% capacity
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4/ We’ve stopped all routine, all ORs have been converted to ITUs and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or strokes. There are hundreds of pts with severe resp failure and many of them do not have access to anything above a reservoir mask.
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5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed.
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6/ My friends call me in tears because they see people dying in front of them and they con only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on NIV. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK.
Jason Van Schoor
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7/ We have seen the same pattern in different areas a week apart, and there is no reason that in a few weeks it won’t be the same everywhere, this is the pattern:
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8/ 1)A few positive cases, first mild measures, people are told to avoid ED but still hang out in groups, everyone says not to panick
2)Some moderate resp failures and a few severe ones that need tube, but regular access to ED is significantly reduced so everything looks great
Jason Van Schoor
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9/ 3)Tons of patients with moderate resp failure, that overtime deteriorate to saturate ICUs first, then NIVs, then CPAP hoods, then even O2.
4)Staff gets sick so it gets difficult to cover for shifts, mortality spikes also from all other causes that can’t be treated properly.
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10/ Everything about how to treat them is online but the only things that will make a difference are: do not be afraid of massively strict measures to keep people safe,
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11/ if governments won’t do this at least keep your family safe, your loved ones with history of cancer or diabetes or any transplant will not be tubed if they need it even if they are young. By safe I mean YOU do not attend them and YOU decide who does and YOU teach them how to.
Jason Van Schoor
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12/ Another typical attitude is read and listen to people saying things like this and think “that’s bad dude” and then go out for dinner because you think you’ll be safe.
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13/ We have seen it, you won’t be if you don’t take it seriously. I really hope it won’t be as bad as here but prepare.
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5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest.
I think they will need much armed protection in U.S. Hospitals with this being the treatment plan.
If you're old and over 65, or have a chronic condition at any age, you're not worth the time or effort so crawl off somewhere and die so we can give the respirator or crash cart to the 35 yr old junkie in the corner.
Strange to me how the virus is spreading and killing people there compared to the virus in America. I'd expect the rest of Europe to do the same, but it's not. Who are these people dying? The spread of this virus is very strange to me.
There is not going to be enough hospital capacity to help everyone who is in dire need.
Hence the combat first aid 101 approach...you save only those who have the best chance of making it.
There are suspicions there are more than one variant. Virus' love to mutate. It is their super-power. It could be that Italy and Iran have mutated strains.
A lot can simply be where you are on the timeline. At first, exponential curves never looks scary.
Case.
Case.
Cluster.
Cluster.
Boom.
By the time you hit the "Boom", most people are just wrapping their heads around whats going on. They are left flat-footed thinking this was just another Flu season. They are left confused and shell-shocked wondering WTF just happened. People can intuitively grasp linear progression, but they always vastly underestimate exponential growth unless they sit and do the math.
It's not going to be over by the end of March DmonSlyr, as much as I'd like you to be right once in your life.
I suspect the end of March is about when our curve starts to bend upward.
I fear its going to be really bad. And we are not ready. Not near ready. Not even in the ballpark.
Our clown show can't even get test kits distributed and leadership knew about this threat since late Dec. We've test 5000 in a country of 330 million. Besides, experts have know something like this was coming for decades. We've had several trial runs. Eventually one was going to be the big Kahuna. It was absolutely inevitable and everyone knew it.
Absorb this into your little monkey brain....
We have somewhere around a 1 million hospital bed capacity in this country.
About 2% of that ICU capacity.
700,000 of those beds are normally occupied at any one time.
We only have about 300,000 open hospital beds available. A very small percentage of that ICU.
Conservative estimates suggest that we might see 48 million cases severe enough to need hospitalization in the country over the next 7 months.
There is not going to be enough hospital capacity to help everyone who is in dire need.
There was in fact an exercise (called “Event 201”) that took place in October that was hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security — which the Gates Foundation participated in — that focused on emergency preparedness in the event of a “very severe pandemic.” But it didn’t deal with 2019-nCoV, and it didn’t make real-life predictions about death tolls.
“To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction,” the center said in a statement. “Instead, the exercise served to highlight preparedness and response challenges that would likely arise in a very severe pandemic. We are not now predicting that the nCoV-2019 outbreak will kill 65 million people. Although our tabletop exercise included a mock novel coronavirus, the inputs we used for modeling the potential impact of that fictional virus are not similar to nCoV-2019.”
In other words, the event centered on a made-up coronavirus — and not one with the same features of the virus currently spreading. The fictionalized scenario involved a disease starting in pig farms in Brazil and spreading around the world, leading to 65 million deaths. Again, that was all made up for the simulation. Videos of, and information on, the event are easily accessible online; the Center for Health Security has hosted similar events in the past, too.
Red - If you're a junkie, or have any other health condition, you're at the bottom of the list for tubes and incubation.Well if you're a husband, father, brother of let's say someone 65 with no underlying health condition and they decline to treat because stats show a lot over 60 might die anyway. There just might be a certain group of relatives that don't agree with their death sentence and might get a bit aggravated with refusal to see or treat their loved ones.
This goes back to combat first aid 101. You tend to who you have the best chance of making it. And doctors can see/detect a junkie as soon as they enter the door. They'll be shown to a gurney, and left.
Are you even serious? This is your conclusion after a few hours of research? Finger pointing at who Q anon people are by some dingbats article?....
The article bluntly states over 65, you're on your own regardless of current condition which implies they won't even bother testing or even to assess as to save the tests for the more deserving population.
Hey DS. I know you likely believe that I am far too stupid to see the truth as you perceive it. I do appreciate that there is evil in this world but I also know that nothing I do will change that.
I live in the moment; I am thankful for everyday; and I don't tend to worry about things over which I have no control. I believe they call that contentment and I sincerely hope you find it someday.
I'd rather not watch our country that my grandfather, father, 2 uncles, and half brother, fought for and risked their lives, turn to communism by an out of control pyramid cult that owns our media, government, some Military, and tech companies. Who are so smart to manipulate people to not think what they are doing is wrong. Sorry.
People like George Soros literally brag about destroying countries economically in interviews, calls it his greatest achievement, and here you people are supporting the very media and culture and NGOs that he funds with hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a disgrace.
Many of us here, like your family served their country. Now according to you - because we don't believe your made up rhetoric, nobody is not smart enough to decipher between (the letters #2#19) and what is real? It is evident you don't get around much, which equates to little life experience, and a basic lack of understanding.
If you truly were not going to sit around and watch the demise of this country, you would get out of the basement, off the internet, join the service, and stand a post and serve your country. See the world for what it really is, and quit spewing your inept points of view based on everybody else's experience, which are clearly not your own.
That way you can finally say that you are a person that takes action. Instead of being one of the sheep in the herd as you are now, Baaaa'ing about how wrong your country is. . . .
You act like one of those people that hasn't made the most of the opportunity this country has to give, so you are going to complain under the guise that the Evil do'ers are out to get you/ us. George Soros, & Big bad Billy Gates with all of there Billions are out to destroy little ol you, because you offer what to them? I'll answer that. . . . Nothing......lol
Oh, I just read that one of your Q associates - the Treasonous Chelsea Manning in jail again - attempted another suicide today - rather than testify they would rather die to protect your secret society. I find it ironic that he/she/it/they/their, has taken more action than you to protect Q and Julian Assange. You got it hand it to her. She is an action taker, and not a talker. . . . .
Dude. Ya'll know that this guy lowered taxes for his billionaire buddies? While he touts that he's working for the people against the establishing (something I too am 100% for), his actions don't match his words.
I get it. Democratic establishment. Republic establishment. They're all hated by those of us who feel that the elite have us suppressed. I just wish that his words matched what he's doing in the background. And I also wished his actions are proving otherwise. But they're not. And don't get me wrong, past presidents were no better, including the last one. Similar - say one thing, do another.
And I don't even live in the US and I can see it as an unbiased outsider. I live in oil country. Where men are men, trucks rule, and guns fire free (and sheep are nervous). Texas north. I own a truck. Tractors. I own a farm. I'm also ex-military. I served. I fought. I lived.
And we don't like liars or two-faced politicians. The current president is proving to be the same, but much much more entertaining. Biden I suspect is also part of that establishment. Nothing will change. And don't get me started on our current Prime Minister, Mr. Hair.
And like I said. I think you will be in shock in a few months. "The best is yet to come".
It just shows that the media you listen to is hiding the truth about Trump and his accomplishments because most of it is complicit with the establishment.
His tax cuts have created so many jobs that we are now at the lowest levels of unemployment for any race, color, origin, and gender in the last 50 years. His tax cuts saved me over 1000 a year. Just wait until all payroll taxes are cut.
Consumer confidence was at an all time high.
Consumer spending was at an all time high.
The American spirit is much higher.
Executive orders to combat child trafficking
Executive orders to sized assets of people who commit crimes against humanity.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping%3f_amp=true
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/31/trumps_top_10_achievements_for_2019_142047.html
I mean its just crazy to me that you don't think he is doing anything.
And like I said. I think you will be in shock in a few months. "The best is yet to come".
Well DmonSlr? Less than 100 deaths from CoronaVirus over the next year? This whole thing will have blown over by end of March?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping%3f_amp=true
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/31/trumps_top_10_achievements_for_2019_142047.html
Isn't this a socialist thing todo? Give money or take less money?
I'll give you one thing.. in the face of overwhelming facts, science, logic, reason and maturity against it..you stand strong on a misguided belief in someone you've never met, someone that's using you to spread their message and someone that is taking advantage of your breathtakingly high level of ignorance. You have faith lil misguided one.
With your mindless and endless postings, We all here can easily say you've passed from being any sort of rational functional adult to pure fanaticism. I'm sure the men in your family that defended this country against tyrants and wild eyed dictators would be scratching their heads if they saw your posts in the last few days.
Are you going to answer the question below or just pretend it didn't happen?
I didn't join the military because of certain reasons.
Can we please get a popcorn eating emoji?
The US stock market has now wiped out the entire $11.5 trillion of value it gained since Trump's 2016 election victory
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-outlook-2016-trump-win-gains-erased-coronavirus-risks-2020-3-1028991585?fbclid=iwar2_pewhdkhjhmet_etftf5mos2jifvgjvwbxm5nxkr9ncngfotlmy5vwjk (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-outlook-2016-trump-win-gains-erased-coronavirus-risks-2020-3-1028991585?fbclid=iwar2_pewhdkhjhmet_etftf5mos2jifvgjvwbxm5nxkr9ncngfotlmy5vwjk)
Are you tired of winning yet???
The US stock market has now wiped out the entire $11.5 trillion of value it gained since Trump's 2016 election victory
I sympathize with your reaction, but this isn't personal. It's not a moral judgement on you or your worth. It's a scarce resource allocation exercise.
Who's 17 old boy, or 24 year old mother of 3 should we throw out of their hospital bed to make room for you?
It's going to be a zero-sum game.
We have somewhere around a 1 million hospital bed capacity in this country.
About 2% of that ICU capacity.
700,000 of those beds are normally occupied at any one time.
We only have about 300,000 open hospital beds available. A very small percentage of that ICU.
It wasn't a reaction, but a statement wondering how this type of "you're over 65, go home, no pills, no test, no assessment" would go over in the U.S.
Authoritarian regimes might get away with it, but the entitlement and minority populations in the U.S. won't let that fly. Thus the question, are they prepared to position LEO and troops to repel the ones that see that type of dismissal as class/race abuse, and deal with very angry relatives of ones summarily turned away? Anotherwards, martial law?
A sizeable study, published in top-notch medical journal reports taking daily vitamin D supplement reduces odds of getting respiratory infections by about 20%.
Reference:
https://youtu.be/W5yVGmfivAk?t=526
Might want to give it a go in these times of the zombie apocalypse.
(I already get that in my daily multivitamin.)
Note: might not want to be a nut and take way more than 100% vitamin D/day -- too much perhaps isn't good either.
Your clown cabal is failing you doche bag.
(https://i.ibb.co/yF9bTwp/Screenshot-20200312-145708-You-Tube.jpg)
Why dont you get out of here with your 44 clown ops share blue damage control post and go continue to suck at Aces High.
I am quite positive i caught the virus. However i have very minor symptoms for about a week now. There is not a lot to be scared of, the common cold so far a much worse experience.
Was doing some research and came across this,it's must see TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY8-N8-pn1I
:salute
Why haven't the CDC taken blood from Chuck Norris? His white blood cells can cure all diseases.
We won't be like Italy. Italy has neglected their healthcare infrastructure and lack the beds and doctors they need.
Duo to the recent developments the company that i work for had to let go of 3 people so far and i had to cut working hours for my partime co workers today. Here in the Netherlands all events are canceled and there is a massive fear for the Corona virus. We also ran out of test's which means someone like me wont get tested, even worse most hospital staff does not get tested.
I am quite positive i caught the virus. However i have very minor symptoms for about a week now. There is not a lot to be scared of, the common cold so far is a much worse experience.
(some insight: I work at the Amsterdam Airport the third biggest EU airport and i interact with hundreds of people everyday. No, i dont work for the customs)
Dutch
I have heard Lombardy, who is the hardest hit, has a quite modern health system that is well organized. They are not like the Southern Italians. They are more like Swiss-Italian.
It's probably more likely they simply have a more virulent strain.
Modern and well organized is not the issue. The issue is not enough beds and doctors.
You think we have enough beds?
We only have about 300k excess bed capacity in the whole country, and locally hard hit areas aren't going to have access to the whole capacity.
We'll find out in about 2-3 weeks.
The majority of people arent on the same page as the media fear.
The majority of people arent on the same page as the media fear.
(https://i.ibb.co/cx4pMbx/20200313-081659.jpg)
Do you think that matters?
Do you think the virus is going to put this up for a vote?
It matters in regards to the notion that the panic can be worse than the virus.
No. It just means 54% are clueless, low-info dolts.
I suspect they will be receiving an education.
A friend at work said he wasn't worried because he heard we were gong to have a vaccine by April. :rolleyes:
This is a perfect example is why the left has lost all credibility and the ratings prove it.
We have fewer beds than we did before the ACA.
This is a perfect example is why the left has lost all credibility and the ratings prove it.
So, DemonSlr, still holding to less that 100 US CoronaVirus deaths?
Still claiming this will all be over by the end of March?
I've moved on to hoping your cell / internet gets dropped. Forcing you outside into sunlight and nature. In a few days you might break free of some of the fear and gain perspective on life.
You still pretending to not see this questio, DmonSlyr?
You and Trips(on LSD) are the only ones pushing fear. We have less than 50 deaths currently.. My wager is still correct so far.
Obama didnt even post a national emergency until 1000 deaths in the US and CNN buried the story LOL.
This is why you clowns are hypocrites.
This is a perfect example is why the left has lost all credibility and the ratings prove it.
funny that's the reason you have even less credibility than i do.
funny that's the reason you have even less credibility than i do.
semp
But ... but .... ratings. :rolleyes:
Statistics and metrics are proving me correct thus far..
80M people in the US had Swine flu.
137K people have Corona world wide. 81K in are in China.
Notice the level of fear comparitevly speaking.
Yall are simply promoting an agenda to damage the US market.
Thanks for proving my point.
Yall are simply promoting an agenda to damage the US market.
Thanks for proving my point.
Statistics and metrics are proving me correct thus far..
Statistics and metrics are proving me correct thus far..
80M people in the US had Swine flu.
137K people have Corona world wide. 81K in are in China.
Notice the level of fear comparitevly speaking.
Yall are simply promoting an agenda to damage the US market.
I'll take this one. . . lol
Fake news,
Left wing media making stuff up. . . .
POTUS didn't say any of that, even though its on video. . . . .
The video is doctored to make the POTUS look bad. . . . .
You are intentionally trying to thwart the US economy. . . . .
Yes mom I would like more cookies. . . . .
Your Cabal has a grip on your thoughts. . . .
The storm is coming. . . . .
Q is good, the Cabal is bad. . . . .
No mom, its just me down here. . . . .
SQUAWKKKKKKKKK. . . .Not only am I an expert on World politics, I am also a mathematician and can confirm that everybody is being led astray and this is all an evil attempt at SQUAWKKKKKKKKK
Cuckoo, Cuckoo, Cuckoooooo
Shall we play a game? I've got many more. ;)
Statistics and metrics are proving me correct thus far..
80M people in the US had Swine flu.
137K people have Corona world wide. 81K in are in China.
Notice the level of fear comparitevly speaking.
Yall are simply promoting an agenda to damage the US market.
Tell me you make money off posting these rants. Some sort of link referral deal where you make $0.001 per click or post or something. Then at least I could see some logic in you.
While technically true, the reason for it has little or nothing to do with ACA. We also have far less beds than we did in 1975. Reasons are many but a few of the biggest ones are better medicine, better surgical techniques and better pharmaceutical interventions. All three of those combined add to the quickly growing outpatient services sector of health care. Since these have grown in popularity in the recent years, the need for costly overnight hospital stays has declined.
Says the guy with 50 shill propaganda posts.If I had 3700+ shill propaganda posts would that make it anymore real to you?
Shall we play a game? I've got many more. ;)
Hard to imagine that these "cough" people believe these self serving videos that some moron doctored to stir the coolaid.
But it's also hard to imagine that they believe that the truth, the light, and the saviour of us all is in fact, a lying psychotic narcissist that also cheats at golf (and the last is truly unforgiveable).
But what's really scary is this report recently released:
"The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the bulletin reads. It later describes warning signs: "[R]eports of a sudden rise in threats and unfounded accusations against a given individual or business may indicate impending conspiracy theory-driven crime or violence."
To profess violence against fellow citizens with or without due process is beyond arrogant; it's domestic terrorism.
What are you even talking about?
Shhhhh. . . . . . . You know. . . . .
I think its beyond sad that we all cannot agree that corruption is bad and should be brought to justice.
Actually I dont.
I think its beyond sad that we all cannot agree that corruption is bad and should be brought to justice.
You don't think that string of totally Horsecrap youtube videos you posted isn't corrupt. Healthy minds do.
"Its all fake!!!!!!!!" Lmfao.
"Its all fake!!!!!!!!" Lmfao.
You finally said something correct. You're right - each one of them was fake.
Actually they weren't. It's called draining the swamp buddy.
The sad thing for me is that you actually believe this drivel. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
The brightest among us question everything... whether it supports your position or maligns it. Selective acceptance of what is the truth is brainwashing. Just once for your own sake, question the motives of these publications.... look for cracks in their agenda. It's very healthy to stand separate from the madding crowds.
3.9k likes and 9 dislikes tells me its very real.
Because reality in his world is measured in "likes".
:rofl
I encourage you to try to find a video with a bigger spread (its tough).
I hate CNN but maybe you wont think it's fake :rofl
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/13/politics/trump-federal-student-loan-interest-coronavirus/index.html
(https://i.imgur.com/4uoKnu0.png)
A highly simplistic estimate of SARS-2 in the Seattle area.
3.9k likes and 9 dislikes tells me its very real. There arent many researchers who get that kind of like to dislike ratio. Just because your imagination tells you it's fake, doesnt mean it is. I'm sorry that you cant fathom that your precious Democrats are corrupt anti Americans selling us out for their own personal gain. I guess that's why you don't understand how Trump won in a landslide and why he will win in another one.
Cartoon model predicts 32 deaths as of today in Washington State.
Actual number is 37.
Worrying part is if 1 week from now the number is about 84, and 2 weeks from now about 223. That's a doubling every 5 days.
However, the state is heavily promoting social distancing. All sporting events and most other events cancelled. Schools and universities closed. Workplaces are having as many people as possible work from home. This stuff will have an effect -- a good one on infection rate, a bad one on economy.
As of today, another of my acquaintances is showing symptoms. The first one couldn't get tested as of a couple of weeks ago. We'll see if the second one can get tested, or if testing is still FUBAR.
Actually people that have had it are saying it is more like a bad cold.
As of today, another of my acquaintances is showing symptoms. The first one couldn't get tested as of a couple of weeks ago. We'll see if the second one can get tested, or if testing is still FUBAR.
Because reality in his world is measured in "likes".
:rofl
Because reality in his world is measured in "likes".
:rofl
3.9k likes and 9 dislikes tells me its very real. There arent many researchers who get that kind of like to dislike ratio. Just because your imagination tells you it's fake, doesnt mean it is. I'm sorry that you cant fathom that your precious Democrats are corrupt anti Americans selling us out for their own personal gain. I guess that's why you don't understand how Trump won in a landslide and why he will win in another one.
Ya'll have 'ketchup potato chips?'
I dont come around or post as much as i used to so perhaps the rules here have changed of been waved. But I am astounded this thread hasnt been locked yet for the political rantings I see.
or has been watching too much Fox News.
I guess I don't get it, well written but just had to throw in this, not going to ask why but it just seems so out of place to be shooting insults at a time like this
Hungry
Ya'll have 'ketchup potato chips?'
Ohhh yes. Plus a very yummy All Dressed, Buffalo Wing & Blue Cheese, and Dill flavoured chips. Quite delicious. :x
Can these be ordered online for shipping to Texas? Do ya'll have TP?
Chances are, your toilet paper is from Canada. And chances are, we're in big-time over-production mode. Don't worry, it'll reappear soon.
As for chips, sure, I'll fire off a few bags. :D
I should have narrowed that to mostly their opinion personalities like Hannity and Ingraham, and fellow travelers like Limbaugh. Their hard-news division still has some semblance to professionalism.
The others have, during the early weeks, consistently tried to discount the true risk and suggest that it was all hoax being driven by the MSM and liberals to hurt Trump. Their favorite trope that you saw parroted in this thread that this was just another seasonal flu. No worse than a bad cold. Oddly with the exception of Tucker. He seems to be slowly grasping this might get bad. He had started to question the administration's claims of containment and low risk. I guess stupid has some limit. :D
Carlson criticizes those who "have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem."
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1237168613884387330 (https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1237168613884387330)
Ya'll have 'ketchup potato chips?'
My wife and I were watching an anime series. They had consume-flavored potato chips! My wife afterwards got some from the local asian market.
That probably has anti-corona properties.
(https://i.imgur.com/akeJjcx.png)
Or maybe it's this:
https://medium.com/incerto/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.ntt8r6u7f
Regardless of what station hes on this guy I think seems to be the most level headed straightforward of the bunch
1. Behold how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity
I believe the theory that idiots that shun intelligence have as much if not more sense than the 'densest' of intellectuals has been thoroughly debunked.
PS: In these touchy times, Arlo, I hope that you know I like you a lot :aok, and trading barbs is I hope all in good fun.
Stay smart. Stay safe.
Fauci has a history of being wrong and doing an about face when it's proven.
I saw it in person when hanging out with his son in the 1980s.
Yall keep hoping though. :aok
I believe the theory that idiots that shun intelligence have as much if not more sense than the 'densest' of intellectuals has been thoroughly debunked.
You're mixing up intellectual and intelligent and arguing a point the article didn't make, which supports the actual point of the article Brooke linked.
Not really. Just observing this administration, senate majority and house minority. Glad they don't let no intellectuals get in the way of their amazing agenda.
What would the the smug intellectual idiot described in the article say?
(https://i.imgur.com/zUGuGhm.png)
Tips/Thoughts:
We went and stocked up on some items today.
Everything except fresh milk and hand sanitizer was available. (got 2 boxes of dry milk)
Since the virus can survive for about 3 hours in an aerosol form, and about 1 day on soft surfaces and up to 3 days on hard surfaces; we went to the store just before employees re-stocked the shelves and we left every thing that didn't need refrigeration, in the car. We will bring that stuff in about 3 days.
Who knows, it might help.
Someone insert this into the picture, lol
"He could pull your bellybutton out of a burning house fire and you'd still complain that he didn’t wipe his feet before he came in"
Hungry
Maybe they will be called the CoronaQuickies.
Probably 'Why are they always asking me to hold their beer?'
Making fun of the designated untermensh is probably correct but anything would have been acceptable.
You're talking politics for some reason. I'm discussing Brookes article and the obvious difference in meaning between the words intelligent and intellectual.
I believe the theory that idiots that shun intelligence have as much if not more sense than the 'densest' of intellectuals has been thoroughly debunked.
Lots of people 'voted to just change things' without a single thought of what such change could mean.
Lots
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf1rrxiWwAAfTYn.jpg)
100%
:)
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm
Dont recall any of these closures and end of world panic media messages back in 2009 - 2010...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21342903
Maybe due to a different political party in power at the time?
I think the cure will turn out to be worse than the disease
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Eagler
Exactly, my friend. :aok
I took what was said, exaggerated or misstated it, then made claims against the exaggerated version. Like what happened with the "thoroughly debunked" line about what Taleb says. For illustrative purposes. ;)
But I didn't exaggerate. ;)
Just misstated, then.
I'm always amused at the people who's defensive reaction to information that is uncomfortable for them is, "stop panicking!"All you are doing is irrationally feeding paranoia which leads to irrational panic. You and people like you are every bit as dangerous as the virus. Maybe even moreso
It's not panic. It's simply information they are not comfortable hearing.
Yes. it is panic and the information being spewed by the media. isnt information its misinformation.
Hundreds of thousands of American's will probably die from this between now and when we get a vaccine. I don't minimize that loss just because most might be over 60.
No. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will likely not die. That is more misinformation
Millions more are going to have the educations, careers, and family lives disrupted by major illness and hospitalization that might leave their lungs permanently damaged.
Again..False claim with no basis in fact
Tens of millions more will lose jobs and businesses and retirement money. Anyone trying to minimize the impact this is going to cause, hasn't thought it through or has been watching too much Fox News.
While the people with stacked carts look silly, there is some logic to it. It is my policy and what I've recommended to friends and family is when you go to the store, stock up as much as you possibly can. That is not panic. That is risk mitigation. That allows you longer periods of time before you have to go back for more. Every trips to a grocery store is another risk of contamination. Reducing the frequency you have to be exposed to that, reduces you risk.
It absolutely is 100% panic. You also put others at risk because of your self serving greed there might not be enough for everyone to go around. which long term raises the risk of major civil unrest. Every time you leave the house is a risk
And given the nature of exponential infection, is is safer to stand in the lines now than it will be two weeks from now. My advice is to go every day now and load up the maximum you can until you are out of freezer and storage space. That way you can hunker down for a long time. There is no waste. If we got a vaccine tomorrow, you just have a lot of supplies that you can eat down over time (avoid perishables). Risk/reward game theory suggests load up those carts now. And when you finally have to go back, load up to the maximum again so you can get so you optimize reward for risk and not have to do that very often.
Luckily my carnivore diet has simplified things greatly. All I need is meat, salt, and water. I have chest freezers here and at the cabin filled with hundreds of pounds of grass-fed beef and organs. very high nutrition:volume ratio. And when I need more, it's online ordered from a Texas ranch and they ship it to me and leave it in front of my door. I order in volume. :D And I highly doubt the electricity with cut off or the water will stop coming out of the tap. I could go months without going into a grocery store if I had to.
(https://beerpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Corona-Extra-courtest-of-Grupo-Modelo-A-B-InBev.jpg)You know what the cure is. right?
:rofl :aok
Not just Corona, but Corona Extra! :aok
Just heard on the radio that only 15,000 tests have been done to date (which seems really low - I am not sure what time frame they are talking about) but a bigger factor is where you are and if your state has stepped in or not to pickup testing.Yes. 15,000 tests and those that are testing postive amount thus far to 1%
Edit: Maybe the 15K is federal tests?
Just a couple of guess'sIf you are referring to me. I am neither a liberal nor a Democrat.
He's a liberal democrat
He's enjoying seeing DS take a beating
He's trying to get Coved-19 info out there
He wants to see just how far some will go with the name calling and insults
He's busy elsewhere
Shame. this could have been a very good informative thread, sharing local information and current news from your area of the country, maybe it can still get back on track, we need to share reliable information, this is serious
Same topic in the Jayco RV forum has been warned and got off track a little but is still going with good info
Hungry (wife and I are in the over 60 crowd, wife has had colon cancer and I'm working on 67)
If you are referring to me. I am neither a liberal nor a Democrat.
Nor am I a Republican
Only retards go gaga over parties
No. Don't think so. :)
I believe the theory that idiots that shun intelligence have as much if not more sense than the 'densest' of intellectuals has been thoroughly debunked.
Just keep lots of limes on hand
This isn't a flu, it's SAR-2. The 2009 flu is why we have the current reporting mandates that gave us a head start on this disease. 2009 was also a national emergency, it just wasn't headlined by the media.
According to you, this is Taleb's "theory":
idiots (that shun true intelligence) > dense intellectuals
According to Taleb:
average people (that shun idiocy/fake intelligence) > idiot intellectuals
You are misstating his position unless you think (average people) = idiots; (Idiocy/fake intelligence) = (true intelligence).
Maybe due to a different political party in power at the time?
All you are doing is irrationally feeding paranoia which leads to irrational panic. You and people like you are every bit as dangerous as the virus.
This isn't a battle between one side that believes smart is good and dumb is bad, and another side that believes smart is bad and dumb is good.
This is a battle between one side that believes its chosen smart people are smart and good and that the other side's chosen smart people are dumb and harmful; and vice versa.
You and OfficialJonZal have fallen for the bogus cartoon version of what "the other side" is like.
Exactly my point..
12, 500 deaths in a year from that flu in the US
Again >12k deaths IN A YEAR and the media didn't run around stating how obama dropped the ball...
But then again it was not an election year and the media is his friend
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Eagler
This isn't a battle between one side that believes smart is good and dumb is bad, and another side that believes smart is bad and dumb is good.
This is a battle between one side that believes its chosen smart people are smart and good and that the other side's chosen smart people are dumb and harmful; and vice versa.
You and OfficialJonZal have fallen for the bogus cartoon version of what "the other side" is like.
...And by the way Oboe, not a single MSM poll had Trump winning. Trumps victory may as well be a landslide. They never thought she would lose, especially that badly. Hillary's wins on the election map look like a virus infecting the United States. :rofl
I care about everyone's future. Even theirs. Wish I could say the same for them.
For all you who think this is all a MSM/Obama/Soros plot and it is all being made up and anyone who is trying to convey the danger of the situation, so we can know what they are facing, is just panicking; this should be an interesting read.
This is the Nation Review. Probably the premier Conservative publication in our country. More so than Washington Times, more so than WSJ. Founded by the father of the modern American Conservative movement, William F. Buckley.
So, it's not like I'm quoting MSNBC or something:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=first (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=first)
I spent 14 days in ICU, in isolation, in January due to double pneumonia RSV, died from a heart attack the second day and was revived. TRUST ME... You do not want to end up in there especially when toejam is hitting the fan. The amount of gowns, face masks, gloves etc they go through for one patient in isolation per day is incredible. If things do go bad it is going to stress the system beyond belief. Everyone just be smart and do not add to the problem.
All you are doing is irrationally feeding paranoia which leads to irrational panic. You and people like you are every bit as dangerous as the virus. Maybe even moresoI am with DREDIOCK on this one. High fatality rate among old and people with weak health does not seem like it would have a very big impact on economy. What does have a big impact is current reaction like shutting businesses down because one worker had contact with someone who had contact with someone who had the virus etc. People buying all the stuff irrationally and throwing a lot away later is probably going to drive prices up etc. People who lose jobs in tourism could probably get jobs in other areas that are getting more popular, like food courier delivery etc. I have been living with 2 week emergency supply in mind for years because many countries have suggested that for their citizens for years. I have been cycling through all six shopping centres in my town for years to renew my supply with products that have a long expiry date if I used something and knew most their selection by memory. A lot of stuff with long expiration date had been sitting on shelves for ever so the expiration date was not that long anymore. I doubt consumption of food products went up, so why were all those products with short expiry dates bought? Why are there empty bread shelves when bread goes bad in a short amount of time? Sure one can dry it and make long lasting products out of it, but crispbread shelves were full.
so why were all those products with short expiry dates bought? Why are there empty bread shelves when bread goes bad in a short amount of time? Sure one can dry it and make long lasting products out of it, but crispbread shelves were full.
You can throw loaves of bread in the freezer to keep them quite a while, Thawing them out has no ill affects on the quality
I spent 14 days in ICU, in isolation, in January due to double pneumonia RSV, died from a heart attack the second day and was revived. TRUST ME... You do not want to end up in there especially when toejam is hitting the fan. The amount of gowns, face masks, gloves etc they go through for one patient in isolation per day is incredible. If things do go bad it is going to stress the system beyond belief. Everyone just be smart and do not add to the problem.
1.4 Billion Chinese with a majority located high density areas. The US is spread out with only 345 Million People, why would there be more infections in the US than in other Countries?
More than 15,000 people have tested positive for the new coronavirus in Italy, more than 1,000 have died, and hospitals are at a breaking point. Hundreds of medical staff have been infected, and overwhelmed doctors are reporting having to choose which patients to treat. They are begging the rest of the world to take this virus more seriously. The entire country — 60.5 million people — has been on lockdown for almost a week.
... in Forest county, on Wisconsin’s northern border, the health department makes no mention of the virus on its website and has no notices at its offices. Its most recent public health alert is for eastern equine encephalitis and the front of its website features an appeal for drivers to take drinkers home from bars in order to cut road deaths.
On Friday, the staff said the health director was having the day off and preparing to go away for the weekend.
The office of the mayor of Crandon, the Forest county seat of about 1,900 people, said he was in Florida for two weeks.
COVID-19 CHAOS: People traveling through O’Hare waiting in line for hours to go through customs.
Many worried about their health because they are standing next to hundreds of people and feel they can’t social distance themselves.
I spent 14 days in ICU, in isolation, in January due to double pneumonia RSV, died from a heart attack the second day and was revived. TRUST ME... You do not want to end up in there especially when toejam is hitting the fan. The amount of gowns, face masks, gloves etc they go through for one patient in isolation per day is incredible. If things do go bad it is going to stress the system beyond belief. Everyone just be smart and do not add to the problem.
And here in the US the level of incompetency at the the federal level continues to be breath taking:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-governor-pritzker-trump-shit-together-airports-chicago-ohare
I am with DREDIOCK on this one.
Oh, I think you're going to find the virus a lot more dangerous than me.Even IF the virus turns out to be twice as bad as even you predict. YOU and those like you are still more dangerous because you condone greedily hording items when not only you needs them. This can lead to large areas of civil unrest and people killing each other in the streets and more people then you can shoot at coming for your stuff too out of desperation.
And I will accept your apology later.
If you're still around.
If I'm still around. :rofl
Your sir. Are an arse. And a dangerous one at that.
Even IF the virus turns out to be twice as bad as even you predict. YOU and those like you are still more dangerous because you condone greedily hording items when not only you needs them. This can lead to large areas of civil unrest and people killing each other in the streets and more people then you can shoot at coming for your stuff too out of desperation.
And killing people is funny. Its all tough guy and badass to SAY you are willing to do it right up to the point where you might have to. People get buck fever all the time. You think its any easier to shoot humans?
This is why eventually if it gets real bad. Everything will become rationed. Just like a communist society because people like YOU cant just take what you need. You have to take it all
And at some point. Even you will run out of something you need.
Your sir. Are an arse. And a dangerous one at that.
Our oldest child and her partner have bad coughs/aches/fevers. They have been isolated. They live in rural KY.
To be honest, we are not really sure what to do right now.
Our oldest child and her partner have bad coughs/aches/fevers. They have been isolated. They live in rural KY.
To be honest, we are not really sure what to do right now.
P.S. I hope in 12 months I can come back to this thread and you can all laugh at me for having been completely wrong.I think you are completely right about the problems to come, but I disagree with the cause. I think that the major problems to come are because of irrational behaviour of people, not the infection. People have already seen empty shelves so that has become the reality for them, so people will probably continue grabbing what they can. This also means that people who need some items right now have problems getting them. There are many jobs that need breathing protection for example, but these are out of stock everywhere.
For all you who think this is all a MSM/Obama/Soros plot and it is all being made up and anyone who is trying to convey the danger of the situation, so we can know what they are facing, is just panicking; this should be an interesting read.Most experts agree that the mortality rate will more then likely fall to a fraction of what is being reported now as more data comes in. Remember. We have nearly 100 years of flu data and only less then 3 months of data on this specific strain of Corona. And AGAIN
This is the Nation Review. Probably the premier Conservative publication in our country. More so than Washington Times, more so than WSJ. Founded by the father of the modern American Conservative movement, William F. Buckley.
So, it's not like I'm quoting MSNBC or something:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=first (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=first)
I think you are completely right about the problems to come, but I disagree with the cause. I think that the major problems to come are because of irrational behaviour of people, not the infection.
Most experts agree that the mortality rate will more then likely fall to a fraction of what is being reported now as more data comes in.
3 months of supplies.
I think that is a cautious ideal number, but not unreasonable. I know that sounds crazy, but the way you thought last month needs to change.
If someone welded your door shut tonight, could you sit it out for 3 months with what you have on hand?
If not, I would work on that over the next week.
Avoid perishables. Throw out the ice-cream you have in your freezer and stock it with meat, fish, chicken. Organ meats like liver have amazing nutritional value relative to the space they take up. I don't care if you don't like the taste. Harden up. ;) Canned goods. dried rice and pasta beans. I wouldn't bother with bottled water unless you live in Flynt. :O I doubt we will lose water. Still, I have two 5 gallon jugs in the closet in case there is a temporary interruption.
If you can only get a months worth, then get a months worth. Don't panic, but don't ignore the situation. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
You can always eat it sooner or later.
You can throw loaves of bread in the freezer to keep them quite a while, Thawing them out has no ill affects on the qualityYou can also make your own bread
Lighten up, Francis.You know me well enough by now to know I call them like they are.
And no I wont be apologizing. If there was even the remotest chance of me being wrong.
That was already taken into account in that article.The 1% I mentioned was the infection rate of those tested. That was as of yesterday Not the mortality rate. Which is as we have both pointed out is currently at 3.4% based on the data currently available. But that is expected to drop as the data becomes more complete.
The current WHO estimate of CFR is 3.4% not 1%. They were already giving the numbers a significant benefit of the doubt.
I'll continue to prepare as I see fit. I'll leave it to you to do what you think is best for your situation.
Good luck.
Of course you wouldn't. :roflRead the last two sentences of the post below yours.
Most experts agree that the mortality rate will more then likely fall to a fraction of what is being reported now as more data comes in. Remember. We have nearly 100 years of flu data and only less then 3 months of data on this specific strain of Corona. And AGAIN
The mortality rate seems to be limiting itself on specific subsets with specific underlying conditions of the population.
We dont yet know how many people who have had it and merely thought they had a mild bug and survived it without ever going to a doctor which they think may be many times more then the confirmed cases.
This mortality rate is only based on confirmed cases of those tested. We know those who died to be pretty accurate because autopsies can confirm. what we dont know is if those sniffles and mild cough you or I had a few weeks ago that we didnt go to the doctor and recovered on our own for was indeed Coronavirus.
This is way too early in the process to definitively say anything.
As I keep saying. Be concerned but be rational. Not ridiculous.
Most of us would avoid anything that would carry an increased risk of getting even the regular flu. In that regard this is no different. Follow the same protocol they actually want you to do for that.
Getting some supplies is rational
Hoarding supplies is ridiculous and only leaves a shortage for everyone. Be rational. You are NOT going to realistically be able to lock yourself inside your house for a month or more even if you have the supplies to do so. Its like wearing a N95 mask. Yea. You will do it for a short while. then you are going to get so annoyed with it that you are going to say screw it. Think not?
do this test. Buy the cheapest level dust mask you can find. Those are also THE most comfortable to wear. then fit it properly. Pinch it around the nose and make sure you have an air tight seal all the way around. BTW if you want to really do it right. You will need to shave that beard too as beards prevent an air tight seal. Now leave it alone. Dont even tough it or readjust it to be more comfortable. This isnt about comfort. Its about survival remember? Now walkaround the house and do whatever it is you normally will be doing throughout the day. remember. DONT touch it or take it off. Now. Lets see how long you can manage that for before you lift to get cool air, adjust it or move it even to scratch your nose. 98% of the population cant handle more then 1/2 hour
We are a species of movers and socializers we instinctively need to be around other people. We hate being imprisoned and isolated which is exactly what you are going to try and do to yourself.
Everybody in a family loves each other right up to the point where they are locked up together. Then it all starts breaking down and before long they are at each others throats
Now if people DONT hoard And just shop as they normally do. They will end up ion places at much lower numbers which is safer for everyone and there will be enough to go around for everyone. Creating shortages because of hording morons will only lead to people congregating in larger masses to try and get what they need before that supply runs out.
Be concerned. Yes. Nobody wants to get this thing no matter how mild they get it.
But be rational. NOT ridiculous
The 1% I mentioned was the infection rate of those tested.
Based on data from the first cases in Wuhan and investigations conducted by the China CDC and local CDCs, the incubation time could be generally within 3 to 7 days and up to 2 weeks as the longest time from infection to symptoms was 12.5 days (95% CI, 9.2 to 18).[5] This data also showed that this novel epidemic doubled about every seven days, whereas the basic reproduction number (R0 - R naught) is 2.2. In other words, on average, each patient transmits the infection to an additional 2.2 individuals.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554776/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554776/)
“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died,”
I know people who are in the position to know.
Anybody hear anything on casinos loosening their slots during this crisis?
Our CFR rate right now is almost .2%. I think that skews high because of the early nursing home outbreak.
Our CFR rate right now is almost .2%. I think that skews high because of the early nursing home outbreak.
I'm guessing we'll see .03% -.1% depending on the region of the country. So 3 to 10 times the seasonal flu mortality rate.
That's still a lot of people but it's not like Italy.
0.2% or 2%?
Socialist policies gave us a healthcare that was still expensive yet could not fund healthcare facilities.
Every time you post its like ignorance pot luck.
Every time you post its like ignorance pot luck.
Good catch. 1.8% at this time with the 40 from the nursing home but I think the mild cases will bring it down. Once drive thru testing starts we'll have better numbers.
Hopefully it won't be 30-100 times the seasonal flu rate. I still think we'll do better than Italy.
Your theories are proven failures. The people are tired of it. If you were actually smart, you wouldnt continue to push failing agendas and people like Joe Biden. Who the F was Tim Kaine anyway??. lmfao dumb idiots. I enjoy watching the left eat crap every day. They deserve it.
Fishing for what I theorize isn't going to make you look smarter. Never has.
Keep making yourself feel better! :aokI feel fine and so do my friends and acquaintances.... despite all the folks who want to see bodies pile up.
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I feel fine and so do my friends and acquaintances.... despite all the folks who want to see bodies pile up.
Yeah, our sample size is still too small to draw an accurate CFR. Too easily skewed. Data is too noisy.
China has the largest sample size, but no one trusts their numbers. The thing that is creepy though, if they are lying, they are under-reporting their CFR. There would be no political advantage to over-reporting.
The two best data-sets for us are Italy and S. Korea. S. Korea represents best-in-class response. Massive decisive commitment early on and a population that basically sees this like a war-time situation.
We can't even get tests widely available. Still. A month into this thing.
People are still crowding into bars and restaurants in some areas.
We'll fall somewhere in between Italy and S.Korea, but I'd suspect closer to Italy given how badly we have flubbed the start.
Sadly, by May, our data-set will probably be large enough to get a much more accurate read of our country's particular R0 and CFR profile.
In an article published by "the guardian" as of 3 hours ago
S Korea has an estimated population of 51 million
The US has an estimated population of over 327 million
Which is also what I have been saying. Perhaps you didnt notice
This was all explained to you earlier Drediock. Perhaps you were too busy name calling to notice.
This is why the NR article I posted was using 1% as a reasonable guess at the CFR we might expect.
:rolleyes:
You're wasting your time comparing the number of US infected to countries that have actually been testing rigorously. Apples and Oranges.Ok so what the excuse for other countries that also have low numbers?
S. Korea has tested about 230,000 of its citizens.
We've managed about 15,000 tests in the same amount of time.
"Don't Test, Don't Tell" is not the same thing as not having infected.
As the kits finally get out in distribution (a month late..yes flubbed), numbers of identified infected will skyrocket.
They are there, just haven't been able to be identified and counted because no one can get a test.
:rolleyes:
QAnon?
:rofl
Which is also what I have been saying. Perhaps you didnt notice
Now when we run out of TP we are going to eat cheese and take the codeine,neither of us will need TP for many weeks.....where there's a will there's a way!
Perhaps. Since you are an obnoxious troll, I'm not putting too much effort into reading your posts.
Frankly, your signal to noise ratio is to low to bother with. Welcome to the Ignore List.
Buh bye.
P.S. Wave hi to Shuffler and DmonSlyr when you get there.
Such a grandstanding clown.
The normal flu for which we have vaccines and herd immunity affects 3-11% of the population each year.
So far our infection rate is .00001.
The numbers we end up with depend on the choices people make.
Surgeon General: Americans should follow federal guidelines
The United States will end up with as high a mortality rate from the coronavirus as Italy without an aggressive response that includes Americans following the federal government’s guidance, Surgeon General Jerome Adams said on “Fox & Friends” Monday.“When you look at the projections, there's every chance that we could be Italy,” Adams said.
“But there's every hope that we will be South Korea if people actually listen, if people actually social distance, if people do the basic public health measures that we've all been talking about as doctors all along, such as washing your hands, such as covering your cough, and cleaning surfaces.”
This event will cause USA to giving more focus on manufacturing and not having to depend on any other countries for our basic needs.
The real and lasting damage will not be medical...
It will be economic
IMHO the bigger issue is ... are we going to be in a depression by the time this flu runs its course???
Expect a huge increase in childbirths 9 months after the "stay home" period ensues. That group of newborns shall be known as "Coronials".
“I will never hesitate to take any necessary steps to protect the lives, health, and safety of the American people. I will always put the well-being of America first,” Trump said, according to a White House media pool report."
You're gonna blow up like Mr. Creosote. :rofl
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Maybe so but I wont need TP now will I?
Sign at bowling alley:
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No. You'll need a bucket. ;)
:rofl
Also, pediatrics wars will be slammed in 9 months from now. People get BUSY when forced to stay home due to storms etc. There are studies that show when storms hit they can predict the increased number of births down to the two week period 9 months in advance.
So, good news with the bad. Maybe a good stock investing tip is on baby goods makers? :D
The R0 factor for Covid19 is ranging anywhere from 2.2 to 5, depending on the country's response and health care standards. PSI factor for COVID19 is 5. It's more infectious than the 1918 Spanish flu and 20X more lethal than the regular flu.
The R0 factor for Covid19 is ranging anywhere from 2.2 to 5, depending on the country's response and health care standards. PSI factor for COVID19 is 5.
OK. I'm learning more everyday. What is PSI?
PS: dont you watch naked and afraid?
Those numbers, do they include the ones who have recovered or have they been removed. Just curious. Would be interesting to see the numbers that have recovered from this flu.
It is good to see that it does not seem to be as bad as the swine flu was. At least here in the US.
Primitive survival index.
Rest easy CptTrips.. now the parrots will believe it. It was said on the only network that tells only the truth, designed the scare the crap out of old white people.Old white folks 'boomers' are probably the hardest to scare. Most born in the post WW2 have lived thru the cold war, nuke drills in school, bomb shelters, Korea, Vietnam, race riots, swine flu, bird flu, SARS, hanta virus and on and on and on thru every pending apocolypse prediction. I believe you'll find old boomers watching these millenials and gen-X'ers carrying their hundred rolls of TP and 2 bags of food just chuckling in anticipation of seeing how they feel when they can't find enough food to cause the feces needed for all that TP to wipe.
Our oldest child and her partner have bad coughs/aches/fevers. They have been isolated. They live in rural KY.
To be honest, we are not really sure what to do right now.
UPDATE: They are both doing better today.
Some background that we (Wife and I) have learned in last 24 hours:
They came down with symptoms last week; they just decided not to tell us b/c they didn't want to worry us. (They are both in their late 20's and ultra-fit. It still hit one of them "like a Mac Truck".)
They were in Louisville when their symptoms started and they just happened to be in a fairly nice house, so they lucked out. However, the home owners have had to move to a hotel... (I am going to buy them a case of very nice wine soon).
They tried several times to get tested. Not only were they denied testing, they were told not to go to the hospital unless they were experiencing a life threatening event. (My thought here is that I guess that KY is doing its bit to keep the numbers look low and good for Our Dear Leader - Officially KY only has 20 cases!)
Best guess right now is that they should be out of the woods by mid-week or the weekend.
However, I just a saw a SkyNews segment that said that WHO is now recommending isolation for two weeks AFTER you are symptom free. If so, I am wondering if that recommendation holds.
All in all not a very pleasant experience – harder to cope with given the failures in public health that we are experiencing here in the US.
UPDATE: They are both doing better today.
Old white folks 'boomers' are probably the hardest to scare.
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LoL. I'm right on the edge between Boomer and Gen-X divide like by a month or two.
But I generally "identify" as Gen-Xer. ;)
We are all going to be affected by this somehow. Either ourselves, closest loved ones or distant friends or relatives. Hopefully it does turn out to be nothing/mild for most.
UPDATE: They are both doing better today.
Major stock averages fell toward their morning lows after President Donald Trump said the worst of the outbreak could last until August.
Perhaps. Since you are an obnoxious troll, I'm not putting too much effort into reading your posts.Troll? I dont think so. I base my posts on known facts.
Frankly, your signal to noise ratio is to low to bother with. Welcome to the Ignore List.
Buh bye.
P.S. Wave hi to Shuffler and DmonSlyr when you get there.
Such a grandstanding clown.
Typical of leftest morons today.
I don't believe anything this guy says. All he promotes is MSM fear.
Still, everything you can do helps bend that curve a little, but I don't see how we realistically don't get to 50% infection rate over the next year.
I'm guessing our CFR will be closer to 2%. The two co-morbidity factors that are starting to jump out are age over 50 and (oddly)obesity. Comparing Fried Chicken-Eating Boomer America to S. Korea, I'm expecting worse outcomes. But not as bad as chain-smoking China. ;)
So yeah, do the math from there.
Taken from a source I follow.
"Good information.
From a young researcher who had been transferred from Shenzhen to Wuhan to collaborate with the task force that is fighting the coronavirus epidemic, we receive and willingly transmit to all of this clear, simple and accessible information, which describe exactly what it is. the virus, how it transfers from one person to another and how it can be neutralized in everyday life.
Corona virus infection does not cause a cold with a dripping nose or catarrhal cough, but a dry and dry cough: this is the easiest thing to know.
The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees: therefore often consume hot drinks such as tea, herbal tea and broth during the day, or simply hot water: hot liquids neutralize the virus and it is not difficult to drink them. Avoid drinking ice water or eating ice cubes or snow for those in the mountains (children)!
For those who can do it, expose yourself to the sun!
The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers), therefore any type of mask can stop it: in normal life, special masks are not needed.
On the other hand, the situation is different for doctors and health professionals who are exposed to heavy virus loads and have to use special equipment.
If an infected person sneezes in front of you, three meters away they will drop the virus on the ground and prevent it from landing on you.
When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.
The virus can live nested in clothes and fabrics for about 6/12 hours: normal detergents can kill it. For clothes that cannot be washed every day, if you can expose them to the sun and the virus will die.
How it manifests itself:
The virus first installs itself in the throat, causing inflammation and a dry throat sensation: this symptom can last for 3/4 days.
the virus travels through the humidity present in the airways, descends into the trachea and installs in the lung, causing pneumonia. This step takes about 5/6 days.
Pneumonia occurs with high fever and difficulty breathing, it is not accompanied by the classic cold. But you may have the feeling of drowning. In this case, contact your doctor immediately.
How can you avoid it:
Virus transmission occurs mostly by direct contact, touching tissues or materials on which the virus is present: washing hands frequently is essential.
The virus only survives on your hands for about ten minutes, but in ten minutes many things can happen: rub your eyes or scratch your nose for example, and allow the virus to enter your throat ...
So, for your own good and for the good of others, wash your hands very often and disinfect them!
You can gargle with a disinfectant solution that eliminates or minimizes the amount of virus that could enter your throat: in doing so, you eliminate it before it goes down into the trachea and then into the lungs.
...
Taken from a source I follow.
SysError
If you don't mind, what were they actually going through while sick? Aches, Pains, Temperature. Cough?
Glad to hear that their better!
Hungry
Hopefully it does turn out to be nothing/mild for most.
When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.
See rule #14
Taken from a source I follow.
"Good information.
From a young researcher who had been transferred from Shenzhen to Wuhan to collaborate with the task force that is fighting the coronavirus epidemic, we receive and willingly transmit to all of this clear, simple and accessible information, which describe exactly what it is. the virus, how it transfers from one person to another and how it can be neutralized in everyday life.
Corona virus infection does not cause a cold with a dripping nose or catarrhal cough, but a dry and dry cough: this is the easiest thing to know.
The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees: therefore often consume hot drinks such as tea, herbal tea and broth during the day, or simply hot water: hot liquids neutralize the virus and it is not difficult to drink them. Avoid drinking ice water or eating ice cubes or snow for those in the mountains (children)!
For those who can do it, expose yourself to the sun!
The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers), therefore any type of mask can stop it: in normal life, special masks are not needed.
On the other hand, the situation is different for doctors and health professionals who are exposed to heavy virus loads and have to use special equipment.
If an infected person sneezes in front of you, three meters away they will drop the virus on the ground and prevent it from landing on you.
When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.
The virus can live nested in clothes and fabrics for about 6/12 hours: normal detergents can kill it. For clothes that cannot be washed every day, if you can expose them to the sun and the virus will die.
How it manifests itself:
The virus first installs itself in the throat, causing inflammation and a dry throat sensation: this symptom can last for 3/4 days.
the virus travels through the humidity present in the airways, descends into the trachea and installs in the lung, causing pneumonia. This step takes about 5/6 days.
Pneumonia occurs with high fever and difficulty breathing, it is not accompanied by the classic cold. But you may have the feeling of drowning. In this case, contact your doctor immediately.
How can you avoid it:
Virus transmission occurs mostly by direct contact, touching tissues or materials on which the virus is present: washing hands frequently is essential.
The virus only survives on your hands for about ten minutes, but in ten minutes many things can happen: rub your eyes or scratch your nose for example, and allow the virus to enter your throat ...
So, for your own good and for the good of others, wash your hands very often and disinfect them!
You can gargle with a disinfectant solution that eliminates or minimizes the amount of virus that could enter your throat: in doing so, you eliminate it before it goes down into the trachea and then into the lungs.
disinfect the PC keyboard and mobile phones
The new coronavirus NCP * may not show signs of infection for many days, * before which it cannot be known if a person is infected. But by the time you have a fever and / or cough and go to the hospital, your lungs are usually already in 50% fibrosis and it's too late!
Taiwanese experts suggest doing a simple check that we can do on our own every morning:
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you successfully complete it without coughing, without discomfort, a sense of oppression, etc., this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating essentially no infection.
In such critical times, do this check every morning in a clean air environment!
These are serious and excellent advice from Japanese doctors who treat COVID-19 cases. Everyone should make sure that their mouth and throat are moist, never DRY. Drink a few sips of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth ... water or other liquids will sweep it away through the esophagus and into the stomach. Once in the belly ... Gastric acid in the stomach will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly ... the virus can get into your trumpets and lungs. It is very dangerous.
Share this information with your family, friends and acquaintances, for * solidarity and civic sense * !!!!
Information received by email from Bob & Margaret. Highly respected leaders in our community.
Thanks Bob & Margaret :)"
www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-myths-debunking-holding-breath-10-seconds-trnd/index.html
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Some misinformation in your post. Seriously, I suggest you reconsider the sources you follow.
Let them do what they're doing, they will remove themselves quickly enough due to their own stupidity.
www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-myths-debunking-holding-breath-10-seconds-trnd/index.html
(http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-myths-debunking-holding-breath-10-seconds-trnd/index.html)
Some misinformation in your post. Seriously, I suggest you reconsider the sources you follow.
As of today, another of my acquaintances is showing symptoms. The first one couldn't get tested as of a couple of weeks ago. We'll see if the second one can get tested, or if testing is still FUBAR.
Happy Saint Patrick's Day everyone!
Some advice from Italy. We are assumed to be about 10 days behind them in infection spread.
Better than giving welfare to a bunch of a lazy losers who couldn't complete high school yet beg for everyone to give them something for free. Better than sending a bunch of Somali, Syrian, lybian refugees to pillage our welfare services after we destroyed their country thanks to the NWO. Better than giving away my tax money to pay for a bunch of cowards pensions. Better than giving 60B billion a year to foreign countries in "aide". Why the F is that okay?I don't watch baseless conspiracy movies, or read the books or believe anything from the group of people responsible for the idiot in the White House. Please Violator, go immerse yourself in that tripe if you want, you just prove yourself to be what everyone who reads the crap you spout already know...you don't know squat.
I will never trust liberals or the media again after what they did in Peurto Rico to hide supplies to spite Trump. It an absolute disgrace.
Your media is an absolute disgrace.
How much did Hillary make in her foundation from selling out uranium to Russia russia russia. Why do you support leaders who corrupt Africa and fund terrorist in Africa? Ever watch Clinton Cash by Peter Schweitzer? How much did they steal from Haiti? Why did the Awan Pakistani spy have access to senate records thru debbie Wasserman schultz. Why did Feinstein have a Chinese spy around her?
The left globalist clown cowards have it coming to them. And it will be well deserved.
Go ahead and keep supporting your rich clown elite in Silicon Valley. Watch what happens when they get exposed.
I can't wait.
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Those who call people liberals ought to look at themselves in the mirror on the fracking huge amount of corporate welfare the 'right' give to businesses. Makes the left look like my cheap Irish grandmother.
Happy Saint Patrick's Day everyone!
You mean the corporations who pay most of the taxes ....
Any update on their condition?
Person feels better, no testing recommended or done (so still not sure if people in area can get tested or not), and the household is self quarantining regardless.
If you're somehow posting from 1957 please tell the rest of us how you do it. Please please please.
huge amount of corporate welfare the 'right' give to businesses. Makes the left look like my cheap Irish grandmother.
What did the Doctor say. Did he/she order the test?
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:rofl
If you're somehow posting from 1957 please tell the rest of us how you do it. Please please please.
Best wishes to your nephew, Firetech.
Firetech, your nephew is in my prayers.
Damn. Sorry to hear that. Hope he pulls through OK.
Living in LA. No telling where he got it. Could have been the door handle on a convenience store he walked into to grab six-pack. Could have been anything.
Let us know how it is goes.
:salute
Positive vibes to you and yours, FT.
USA deaths at 97.
Thanks fellas. He’s still in ICU. It’s been up and down for him.. Last chest X-ray was worse then the one before. They have sent out for the antiviral Remdesivir (used for Ebola I guess) since it’s shown some use in fighting the virus. No other updates right now other than the kid is still fighting. Overall the docs are being positive and are saying it’s going to be a fight but he’ll win in the end.
Hope this isn't intrusive, but do you know if he was a smoker?
:salute
He's 34, pretty good shape, doesn't smoke, has some drinks on the weekends.
Opps. I had missed the didn't smoke part.
Thanks fellas. He’s still in ICU. It’s been up and down for him.. Last chest X-ray was worse then the one before. They have sent out for the antiviral Remdesivir (used for Ebola I guess) since it’s shown some use in fighting the virus. No other updates right now other than the kid is still fighting. Overall the docs are being positive and are saying it’s going to be a fight but he’ll win in the end.
The US Constitution working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, providing equality to the ignorant ..........sheeshhhh......lol
Still pouring forth vibes. Not all fatalities have been old and frail. :salute
Some researchers in China the recommend Remdesivir also recommend Chloroquine.
Still waiting for the "Storm". . . . . . tic toc tic toc. . . . .
No indictments on those pesky Democrats, or former FBi officials you so eloquently stated would go down. . . . . .
Why are your predictions not coming through? :noid
Oh wait . . . .I know. . . . .lol
Thanks guys... I'll pass that on to his mom FLS.
I'll be back on tonight (I hope) to poke some more fun at our resident fanatic. He's gone off the rails again I see.
The study concludes that the suppression strategy will likely lead to the disease quickly spreading again once these measures are lifted, and that such measures will be needed periodically until a vaccine is found. It says: "The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package -- or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission -- will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) -- given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed."https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-uk-model-study/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-uk-model-study/index.html)
There have already been thousands removed from positions Including CEOs. Hundreds have been removed from government positions. Many are being arrested already.
Just look at Lockeed Martin and Bill Gates stepping down, disney ceo last week. And many many many more. The #s of CEOs resigning in the last year have been higher than ever before.
The military tribunals are next..
... That is why we are all here on these forums isn't it, for Aces High afterall.
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Heads up CptTrips. Just saw this.
“ NEW: Three of Dallas County’s new confirmed #Covid19 cases are currently hospitalized in critical condition. And two of those are young: one in their 20’s, another in their 30’s. The third critical patient is in their 60’s. No underlying health conditions.
#WFAA #Coronavirus”
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:rofl
I said before, to save lives you are going to have to shut everything down. For over a year.
How you do that, I don't know. But opening things back up is a function of how many people you are willing to let die to keep the economic engine limping along.
...
Good thing we have real journalism and freedom of the press to expose fraud and corruption. Thank God for our constitution that we dont have to put up with the WHO paid bureaucrats clowns promoting hysteria while never really doing anything to actually help anyone. Just another slush fund they are trying to rob Americams for.Can you ever back anything you say with ANYTHING other than worthless conspiracy sources? Who the hell is "the gatewaypundit"?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-evidence-shows-director-general-of-world-health-organization-severely-overstated-the-fatality-rate-of-the-coronavirus-leading-to-the-greatest-global-panic-in-history/
You can't shut everything down,
Yep, it might be that chloroquine (cheap and plentiful) helps against SARS-2 infections. Chloroquine is a quinine-like antimalarial medication that's been around since the 1940's and used a lot.All you Nam vets should remember your medics making you choke down your salt and malaria pill (Chloroquine) every day in the 60's. The later pill was a stronger variant and was once a week.
Researchers tested various medications and found remdesivir and chloroquine to be effective at low toxicity levels.
I said before, to save lives you are going to have to shut everything down. For over a year.
How you do that, I don't know. But opening things back up is a function of how many people you are willing to let die to keep the economic engine limping along.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-uk-model-study/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-uk-model-study/index.html)
Don't let anyone tell you it's over and there is no more danger until you gotten a vaccine shot. However long that takes, keep your guard up.
Thank God there is only 3 more and it's over.
(Furtive glance at Shuffler, DmonSlyr, and Drediock....)
There's an article in the journal Science that suggests only 1 in 7 cases are severe enough to seek treatment and get counted. That would mean 40,000 currently infected with a CFR of .2%.
U.S. coronavirus death toll reaches 100
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-coronavirus-death-toll-reaches-100/2020/03/17/f8d770c2-67a8-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html
There have already been thousands removed from positions Including CEOs. Hundreds have been removed from government positions. Many are being arrested already.
Just look at Lockeed Martin and Bill Gates stepping down, disney ceo last week. And many many many more. The #s of CEOs resigning in the last year have been higher than ever before.
The military tribunals are next..
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And it all ended two weeks early!!!!!!!
It's a miracle!!!
QAnon predicted all of this. It's on the internet. Just look it up.
:noid
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Hate to tell you V but you're so far off the wall now, that you're the laughing stock of AH. Good luck re-establishing any respect.
This Headline just appeared on the website I use as my homepage:
Republicans, White House Gut Paid Sick Leave In Coronavirus Bill
I didn't read the details because I thought it would likely cause nausea. Of course that's really nothing new.... all politicians make me puke.
The details aren't bad. You can learn a lot when you read more than headlines.
The details aren't bad. You can learn a lot when you read more than headlines.
My point was even more basic. At a time of crisis there is no room for political debate.. every single elected official should be working in concert to help people survive both physical and if need be, financial destruction.
Well, here ya go then:
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How's that compare to your previously stated political bias? ;)
It's a pointless non sequitur.
Edit: the youtube didn't work so use the link.
All this time and only 100 deaths. Amazing... at least it got some folks attention.off things that kill thousands in much less time.
Yes......more than 1/3 of them yesterday alone.
You obviously don't understand how epidemics propagate.
And that depends on what we do and don't do
Odd though many more ppl died texting and driving in the same time but no one is shutting down driving.
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Eagler
Fox News shifted coronavirus rhetoric
https://twitter.com/thefix/status/1240041548672380931?s=20
In case anyone missed it. We just started a 2 week national experiment in epidemic mitigation by social distancing. Please do your part.
You understand an exponential rate of increase?
Fox News shifted coronavirus rhetoric
https://twitter.com/thefix/status/1240041548672380931?s=20
Interesting:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china
Twitter is your news source? :roflIt's one of several.. wait, it isn't one of yours? :headscratch:
It's one of several.. wait, it isn't one of yours? :headscratch:
It's one of several.. wait, it isn't one of yours? :headscratch:
Some phone answerers for our local hospitals are sending suspected coronavirus cases to small storefront urgent care clinics who have been operating at 100% capacity even before coronavirus arrived.
That's why social distancing at this stage is very important. Flatten the curve to reduce the burden on healthcare.
Do what you can, but really we should have started 3 weeks ago, when everyone was rolling their eyes calling this a media hoax. I think the pain is already baked into the cake at this point. I believe we already have a mass of infected that will be showing up to hospitals in the next 3 weeks. There is no way to un-infect them before that.
"As of Tuesday night, there are now 6,362 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the United States (a 36.5 percent increase over yesterday) and 108 deaths (a 27 percent increase over yesterday)." - (The Morning Dispatch newsletter)
Starting to look exponential to me. :uhoh
Do the math.
How dare you want this! (I know neither you nor anyone here want this. It's a case of realism and pragmatism.)
You know, if you are in the forest and see a hungry bear running toward you, all you have to do is turn your back and close your eyes and refuse to look at the bear, then that means he can't eat you.
It's magical. Try it!
I read that in Bill Murray's voice. It works. :cool:I did the same thing :cheers:
Do what you can, but really we should have started 3 weeks ago, when everyone was rolling their eyes calling this a media hoax. ...
Everyone said that? Really?
That's helpful. :rolleyes:
The common cold is a corona virus. I wouldn't worry.
Remember swine fly, SARS, and MERS?
I hope you washed before typing or we'll all have it.
The vaccine is a cold Corona.
What did the Doctor say. Did he/she order the test?
Well maybe not everybody.
Got another piece of info here in Washington State.
A friend of a friend, showing strong symptoms, went in for treatment and was sent home with no test being done.
So, out of the three people I know of who asked for testing (two with strong symptoms, one with mild), none got tested.
# of infections in the US is, I suspect, nearly entirely useless.
# of deaths is probably accurate, though. People hospitalized without the ability to breath probably are tested.
That's out of context. No surprise.
And I made a joke. I have a sense of humor.
A very stealthy one.
The common cold is a corona virus. I wouldn't worry.
Remember swine fly, SARS, and MERS?
Exact quotes.
If that was humor, he needs to work on his act before he takes it on the road.
The joke was, "I hope you washed before typing or we'll all have it. The vaccine is a cold Corona."
It's in your post dummy.
The common cold is a corona virus. I wouldn't worry.
Remember swine fly, SARS, and MERS?
Already deflected.
Fixed it for ya.
Already answered. You feeling OK?
Fixed it for ya.
You guys have completely lost me.
No Need to try to explain, just letting both of you know.
:salute
You're desperate for a gotcha and that's all you could find in this thread.
You have to triage with limited tests available. The sooner we get more testing the better. With most of the infected able to get well at home it's best to limit their exposure.
It's an "are you f ing kidding me?" level of botchery.
It's an "are you f ing kidding me?" level of botchery.
Yes, but tests should not be so limited, especially this late in the game.
We (the US) had months of advanced warning to roll out a simple PCR test, and it still isn't much available.
That is a major-league FUBARing.
It's not like a do-or-die 3rd and long in football, and the receiver drops a catchable ball. It's more like the team knew 4 months in advance that it would be playing in the Super Bowl, and when the game comes, the team doesn't show up until halftime, and even then, it forgets to wear shoes.
It's an "are you f ing kidding me?" level of botchery.
Testing was only restricted because there were limited tests available thanks to CDC screwing up. That's changing now.
I agree. The CDC has one primary job and they suck at it.
Its a great ad for gov run health care
Maybe a private health care reset is a silver lining in this whole thing
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Eagler
Yes, but tests should not be so limited, especially this late in the game.
We (the US) had months of advanced warning to roll out a simple PCR test, and it still isn't much available.
That is a major-league FUBARing.
It's not like a do-or-die 3rd and long in football, and the receiver drops a catchable ball. It's more like the team knew 4 months in advance that it would be playing in the Super Bowl, and when the game comes, the team doesn't show up until halftime, and even then, it forgets to wear shoes.
It's an "are you f ing kidding me?" level of botchery.
Its a great ad for gov run health care
Maybe a private health care reset is a silver lining in this whole thing
Its a great ad for changing administrations.
Describe a "private healthcare reset" and the practicalities of it happening.
Much easier to see this whole thing dumped on dementia trump who is then defeated by senile joe ...
results in a total gov takeover of the healthcare system
I am not a supporter of either
But between the two ..... the country is screwed either way ...just in different ways
One would have to pick who they want the donkey punch from...
As i stated earlier I will not be voting for either one as both are just different characters from the same Idiocracy
No they're not the same. Not voting is supporting Trump.
No they're not the same. Not voting is supporting Trump.
Every little bit of good news helps.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-developed-kit-confirms-infection-in-15-minutes-39046582.html (https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-developed-kit-confirms-infection-in-15-minutes-39046582.html)
... but like President Trump at least he cared about where your money was spent.
Its a great ad for changing administrations.My only hope is that a non-profit alternative to insurance occurs. If the price of healthcare becomes more than a normal person can earn, and it's because insurance companies make billions in PROFIT, there's a problem. There's no competition.
Describe a "private healthcare reset" and the practicalities of it happening.
And a vote for Biden is like voting for Hilary, same nonsense, same group of politicians, same moral nonsense, give him your money in tax dollars so he can give more away, just like Pritzker in Illinois, Rauner in Illinois wasn't perfect but like President Trump at least he cared about where your money was spent.AndTrump is an upstanding philanderer, with a wife who is a pornstar. Nudie pics in his private plane.....THAT is my kind of first lady!!!! NOT!!!!!
The underlying message in this thread has been Corona virus and politics all along, so there you go, out with it.
Hungry
Trump's a grifter.
More good news
https://www.foxnews.com/us/air-force-flew-500000-coronavirus-test-kits (https://www.foxnews.com/us/air-force-flew-500000-coronavirus-test-kits)
Hungry
My only hope is that a non-profit alternative to insurance occurs. If the price of healthcare becomes more than a normal person can earn, and it's because insurance companies make billions in PROFIT, there's a problem. There's no competition.
AndTrump is an upstanding philanderer, with a wife who is a pornstar. Nudie pics in his private plane.....THAT is my kind of first lady!!!! NOT!!!!!
Got another piece of info here in Washington State.
A friend of a friend, showing strong symptoms, went in for treatment and was sent home with no test being done.
So, out of the three people I know of who asked for testing (two with strong symptoms, one with mild), none got tested.
# of infections in the US is, I suspect, nearly entirely useless.
# of deaths is probably accurate, though. People hospitalized without the ability to breath probably are tested.
"Air Force flew 500,000 coronavirus test swabs from Italy to Tennessee"
I hope Trump didn't get a really great deal on them because they were slightly used.
"They're wonderful, perfect swabs. The best swabs. Just wipe them on your sleeve a little first."
:noid
slightly used, lol that's good, where did you come up with that one, running out of material Shecky?
Show me on this doll where Trips comment about Trump hurt you.
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More pictures? that's cute, where do you get those things from, I wanted to post a picture I found of Darth Vader saying " The BS is strong in this one" but realized I don't have an image account.
This thread is 2020's moron detector.
50 new cases today.
This thread has been a show your political side detector
Show me on this doll where Trips comment about Trump hurt you.
This thread has been a show your political side detector
Hungry
You shoulda got you one to fight for Trump online when you received your huge dividend from all the winning this tax season.
(P.S. There are free ones.)
Go to 25:36 where he switches from medical to economy.
You weren't forced to. :D
Are you kidding me, here's what you do, go back to the beginning, read the posts and see if you can guess which political side the poster belongs to,
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Are you under the impression that your "side" is well camouflaged?
Camouflaged, do you mean they aren't speaking up? They don't resort to open insults? or they make more subtle points? I think I can pick both sides and even the ones on the fence maybe. Cant you?
No they're not the same. Not voting is supporting Trump.
I nominate Hungry to be the designated picker.
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For the good of the thread so it'll stay pure and politics free.
It'll be a good thing.
All agreed say 'aye.'
(No, really. I think this'll work out.)
Lol that's good but I thought the pic before this one was your pledge to stay back on topic, you must be a democrat
Hungry
Isn't you still carrying on about people who aren't on your side, politically ...... in essence ...... being political? I took the oath, c'mon, you can do it.
Corona virus related stuff -> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
:aok
My nominating you to be the political hall monitor was apolitical but, you're right, bad me for not keeping it all about the topic (like you are).
https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-us-cases-health-risk-2020-1
Isn't you, ain't you, there's an old jazz song like that I think, when I see its true from your side, no problem.
You forgot to include anything remotely topical.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html
So as long as I mention a piece of Corona info, its ok then to throw the jab? Ok, I'll follow your fine example
Hungry
Go to 25:36 where he switches from medical to economy.
It looks like Boeing was running a long con and got blindsided by coronavirus.
Instead of selling shares (which is what shares are all about), they whine for a bailout.
I nominated you for political hall monitor not political leg humper. :D
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w
We can bail out Goldman Sachs but we can't save the last North American manufacturer of airliners?
There really is a reason so many airline pilots (like me) refused to fly Airbus airplanes in favor of Boeings. But between this crisis and the Ethiopian 737 fiasco, I kinda figure a great American company is toast.
Wow I thought we were done, here you go and spoil it and pull out a line as old as the hills and even used in the AW forums. Say it ain't so!!
If you think its me winding up you spring then I suggest more introspection. ;)
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/coronavirus-gov-inslee-places-30-day-moratorium-evictions-case-numbers-increase/XIDPHMLVOJAAREQ5YCL75367PU/
We can bail out Goldman Sachs but we can't save the last North American manufacturer of airliners?
You don't think they should first have to sell some of the billions in stock buybacks they purchased to pump up their share values so executives could cash out stock options at top dollar?
Don't corporations sell stock to raise capital? They don't even have to issue new stock. Just sell back the shares they bought back.
Boeing has almost as much in share buybacks as they want to government to give them. Does that seem right?
To Hungry and Arlo, I hope I speak for others when I ask you guys to drop the Republican vs Democrat crap.
Its science that's going to solve this world crisis and before they do, a whole lot more human beings are going to die. The job of the politicians is to make sure those scientists aren't constricted by a lack of resources or an abundance of bias.
Frankly when the world is facing a medical crisis as potentially significant as this one, I don't give a flying f*** how Boeing raises money. But with this situation, the world's airlines will be decimated and I would prefer that the fleet that emerges from the wreckage wasn't totally Airbus.
You shoulda got you one to fight for Trump online when you received your huge dividend from all the winning this tax season.
(P.S. There are free ones.)
Americans stand up for Trump because he stands up for them. Simple as that. No pictures needed for that. Easy to see who dislikes Americans and the US.
To Hungry and Arlo, I hope I speak for others when I ask you guys to drop the Republican vs Democrat crap.
Its science that's going to solve this world crisis and before they do, a whole lot more human beings are going to die. The job of the politicians is to make sure those scientists aren't constricted by a lack of resources or an abundance of bias.
Americans stand up for Trump because he stands up for them. Simple as that. No pictures needed for that. Easy to see who dislikes Americans and the US.
Shuffler and Guncrasher. Could you please read the request I posted to Hungry and Arlo. We're all facing a world crisis and it's way beyond the time that all people of all nations should be pulling in the same direction.
While I understand where you're coming from FT, we have an opportunity to be bigger than this. We even have the opportunity to let those that insult our intelligence, honor, compassion and patriotism be bigger. Lets take it. :)
Its not the CDC. Its the mandates, restrictions and cut backs from on high.
Very true my friend. Sometimes when you come across simple minds they only understand things when you speak in a way they can understand.
Personally it’s nice the stores have starting limiting quantities on items purchased so slow down the horde mentality.
Couldn’t find a scrap of chicken the other day when I went shopping. I did find the soap and bread thankfully. Luckily I have a couple of whole chickens still so no biggie but I wanted some more chicken boobs. None to be found other then the prebreaded chicken wing crap.
The CDC budget is higher under the current administration:
(https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/cdc-budget.jpg)
Also, even if there were cuts (which ^--- see above), an organization with a budget of many $billions per year and a staff of over 10,000 people has plenty of money and people to roll out a PCR test.
A PCR test is a simple, standard thing to design and roll out. Biotech labs design and run PCR tests all the time.
I'm an American. i don't stand with him shuffler. and no i don't hate Americans or our nation. just disagree with you.Disagreeing is fine. Socialism/communism is not. Liberals have swung so far into that dark hole.... I do not think they can extracted themselves. They have too many that have never seen what it does to every country that tried it.
so you are wrong when saying stand up for this or that or you hate our country.
semp
Disagreeing is fine. Socialism/communism is not. Liberals have swung so far into that dark hole.... I do not think they can extracted themselves. They have too many that have never seen what it does to every country that tried it.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/486817-trump-budget-chief-holds-firm-on-cdc-cuts-amid-virus-outbreak
The CDC lists their budgets on their website. Why go to other sites when you can get the source.
https://www.cdc.gov/budget (https://www.cdc.gov/budget)
Disagreeing is fine. Socialism/communism is not. Liberals have swung so far into that dark hole.... I do not think they can extracted themselves. They have too many that have never seen what it does to every country that tried it.Read the Book of Acts in the Bible. God instructed all the Christians to pool their money together and killed a husband and wife for hiding some of their money. That means God is a socialist. I'm not, but I believe in helping others, despite the reason they need it. If you say "They're not getting mine!" YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN.
Got another piece of info here in Washington State.
A friend of a friend, showing strong symptoms, went in for treatment and was sent home with no test being done.
So, out of the three people I know of who asked for testing (two with strong symptoms, one with mild), none got tested.
...
One of our kids, who got sick and is feeling better, couldn't get tested.
However, in the US, if you are a politician or a celebrity you can tested right away - even if you have no symptoms.
Just ask Sen. Lindsey Graham or Reps. Matt Gaetz or Mark Meadows.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/lindsey-graham-coronavirus-negative/index.html
For now, I really think that tests should only be made available due to medical symptoms.
I have spent the last week reading about pandemics in the past. And they're not good for social trust. People go into them thinking, I'm going to be a good soldier and citizen for people around me.
But when the fear gets going, they stop seeing each other. They stop caring about each other. They stop volunteering.
I have always wondered why the 1918 Spanish Flu that happened here killed 675,000 Americans.
...
And it left no trace on the national culture. And I have always wondered, why was that?
And reading about what it was like, people were ashamed of how they behaved, because they looked after themselves.
And that's understandable. Fear is just this terrible thing. And we haven't really been hit by the raw, gut-wrenching fear of seeing hospitals overwhelmed and stuff like — but we will.
And we sort of need to take moral steps and social steps, as well as we take health steps, to sort of mitigate that.
It looks as if we as a society are once again lucky to have a politician get a test and have it come back negative!
...
"On the advice of her doctor, @GOPChairwoman was administered a test for COVID-19."
Some people resist learning.
Read the Book of Acts in the Bible. God instructed all the Christians to pool their money together and killed a husband and wife for hiding some of their money. That means God is a socialist. I'm not, but I believe in helping others, despite the reason they need it. If you say "They're not getting mine!" YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN.
I am sure that her doctor provided "unbiased advice".
Do you know how many people with test orders from doctors are being turned away in the US everyday? Not only are there stories in the papers, people right here have stories from family and friends.
People who are REALLY sick need the test, not politicians with power, access and influence.
I help others all the time. That is not socialism.
Socialism is taking from those that do and giving to those that do not. So soon no one does because... well why when you can just sit while others support you. That is till everyone is pretty much doing the same. Then there is no ability to better yourself, no reason to work harder or even work.
Just saw where up to maybe 8 NBA teams have privately funded tests for their entire teams and staff, where's that fit for you?
Hungry
I am sure that her doctor provided "unbiased advice".
Do you know how many people with test orders from doctors are being turned away in the US everyday? Not only are there stories in the papers, people right here have stories from family and friends.
People who are REALLY sick need the test, not politicians with power, access and influence.
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
Not to get political but I think you are confusing socialism and communism.In my version of socialism everyone pays a little so no one pays a lot.
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
Not to get political but I think you are confusing socialism and communism.In my version of socialism everyone pays a little so no one pays a lot.Then your version of socialism is not actually socialism and does not align with today's democrat. You are paying for a service. The more that pay on a regular basis, the.less it cost. That is capitalism.
I've been wrong before and might be this time! That said I live where we have social medicine and our cost per patient per outcome is about 1/2 what it is in the US.
Now someone is going to come along and tell me how I'm taxed to death and will have to pay taxes all my life. If I told you what I paid in taxes last year you'd be like... :headscratch: How'd he get away with that.
:salute
PS: I hate this political nonsense,what cant we be friends... hey there's a song in there somewhere.
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
Nephew passed away early this morning. To much damage to the lungs is their guess, O2 sats kept dropping. They managed to get 2 doses of remdesivir. Things are very real with this.
Age was 34
I help others all the time. That is not socialism.I think you just gave the urban definition of communism. Socialism is different in that it is more flexible and allows for blending with capitalism.
Socialism is taking from those that do and giving to those that do not. So soon no one does because... well why when you can just sit while others support you. That is till everyone is pretty much doing the same. Then there is no ability to better yourself, no reason to work harder or even work.
Pure socialism (government owning all production) and pure capitalism (private sector owning all production) are exact opposites -- two opposite ends of a spectrum.
In between is the government owning some production and private sector owning some production.
Communism is just socialism with government controlling who gets what.
You can mix communism with capitalism, like China.
You can mix fascism with capitalism and get crony capitalism.
All of these systems would be better if they removed the noxious pollutants of socialism, communism, and fascism. :aok
Is there a 'I redefine various political ideologies to fit in my comfort zone like this' thread somewhere? Someone in this community just lost a person close to them to Covid-19 and I've reformed to stay on topic. It would be nice if ..... you know. :salute
But ... but ... it's the CDC ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/cdc-top-us-public-health-agency-is-sidelined-during-coronavirus-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR2-BwoZmCR9e4CaVptica5gJHjqJnHEOW9DomR7ZFhTCY7y4rtt4yAEpjU (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/cdc-top-us-public-health-agency-is-sidelined-during-coronavirus-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR2-BwoZmCR9e4CaVptica5gJHjqJnHEOW9DomR7ZFhTCY7y4rtt4yAEpjU)
Smart money always makes sure they get the heads up first so they can get their money out of the market before SHTF. The little guy investors get left holding the bag for their betters. Someone has to be left holding the bag so the connected can get their money out.
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19 (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19)
Three weeks ago. Three weeks. Back when the administrations was telling everyone, they had it "almost air-tight" contained.
It's always beneficial to your investments to have friends with inside knowledge. Then you can take some of those profits and re-cycle them back in as political donations.
"Drain the Swamp!"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html)
like i told a friend, usa doesn't have enough military to enforce martial law for the entire United states.
No, they'll have to make a few very public examples.
like what?
semp
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that's sarcasm. this is a medical emergency.
I thought you were asking how a small force maintains marshal law over many.
It's just like looters after a hurricane. You announce no looters. If you get looters, you make an example or two. Word gets around.
[Edit] Oh, BTW, that wasn't a civil war. Those are Napoleonic occupation forces executing Spaniards during the Peninsular War.
Interesting. I would like to see more research in this area:
Copper Destroys Viruses and Bacteria. Why Isn’t It Everywhere?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqkyw/copper-destroys-viruses-and-bacteria-why-isnt-it-everywhere?utm_source=pocket-newtab
No, they'll have to make a few very public examples.
You can't do that until you disarm everybody. Note who already wants to disarm everybody.
Sen Kelly Loeffler too?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kelly-loeffler-coronavirus-stock (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kelly-loeffler-coronavirus-stock)
Sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test.
How does this relate to this topic?
I'm just wondering how many extra 10's of thousands of Americans are going to die from our governments delayed and foot-dragging response to this epidemic while those who attended private briefings stayed silent about the threats they knew about (unless you were a potential donor), until they could first unloaded millions of dollars of stock, quite suddenly.
I'm sure the timing was a complete coincidence.
Inhofe = scumbag
Ihofe too?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/republican-senators-sold-stocks-before-markets-plunged-on-coronavirus-fears-reports (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/republican-senators-sold-stocks-before-markets-plunged-on-coronavirus-fears-reports)
It should be a law that anyone serving in elected office should have all their assets in a blind trust (which doesn't mean run by your kids). Have we learned nothing about human nature over the millennia?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
Sen. Richard Burr
Sen. Kelly Loeffler
Sen. James Inhofe
Hang em, the only out they may have is if like mine they are in a "managed" account, I don't make the trades and typically don't direct the trades, my Fidelity account manager does, I set up the parameters they do the buying and selling. I get an email after the fact.
For Burr to hold a "luncheon" and release this type of info it would seem like a breach of Natl Security / Protocol
Hungry
14,000 people a day traveled from China, before the travel ban, while China delayed notification.
At some point there is going to be a reckoning for all this. There needs to be broad and deep investigations into the delays, the testing debacle, the mysterious stock liquidations, etc, etc.
Yes I've read in many stories now that China delaying solid reporting is the core issue in all this, as a side note I read an article yesterday how China is trying to "re-brand" itself as the good guy by distributing health related supplies to countries affected,
You can make drug manufacture profitable here with tariffs or subsidies.
Conservatives used to not believe in tariffs and subsidies as that was the Government interfering with the Free Market, picking winners and losers.
Tariffs and subsides are supposed to be what Socialist countries do.
Conservatives and Libertarians understand that there are exceptions when dealing with hostile trade partners.
Well. If there is one exception, maybe there are others. Now that you are admitting there are exceptions.
Like maybe healthcare is an exception too?
Who know what's in that exception Pandora's box once you open it.
Simplistic nonsense.
That's what you always say when you don't have an answer.
That is an accurate answer, you just don't like it. You deal in false logic, you don't understand context, and you're too insecure to accept disagreement. If you were 20 years old it would be understandable.
Let's agree that somebody doesn't realize something and get back on topic.
Back on topic, maybe not as dumb an idea as it sounds...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/us/la-marijuana-coronavirus-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/us/la-marijuana-coronavirus-trnd/index.html)
There are a lot of stressed people right now. :rofl :rofl :rofl
(https://www.forum.haszysz.com/images/smiles_nowe/em/smoking-smiley-face.gif)
Does that mean the liquor stores are essential too? Sure don't worry about it stay home and get high until it passes. being sarcastic I know the medicinal side but this seems more to the high side, lol
I think the whole world could use a little Blue Dream right about now...
For internal medicinal use only.
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We've been going with this lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aBfMg5ssZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aBfMg5ssZE)
Bunnahabhain 18 year old single malt scotch
:)
Hungry
Don't give Hitech any ideas. It could lead to bribery inflation.
:noid
Don't give Hitech any ideas. It could lead to bribery inflation.
:noid
The Stock Act sponsored by Joe Lieberman in 2012
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-is-the-stock-act (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-is-the-stock-act)
Hungry
PS FUN FACT: @SenatorBurr was one of only 3 senators in the entire Senate to vote against the STOCK Act, which was designed to outlaw insider trading by Members of Congress.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html)
How are your retirement investments going? :O
I actually don't personally like Feinstein, but her assets were in a blind trust supposedly. So that one smells slightly less. Unless there is evidence that she was passing info to whoever was running her trust. I can't believe any fiduciary in their right might wouldn't report that attempt. They get paid on flat fee. It wouldn't be worth the risk for them to play that game.They need to take the shiff for brains approach and have the 'intelligence' committee subphoena all of Fineswines text, email, phone logs etc. since last August and see if any exchanges with her chinese/military attache/chauffer BFF were made. After 20 years together, her chinese connections are pretty solid.
But you never know
They need to take the shiff for brains approach and have the 'intelligence' committee subphoena all of Fineswines text, email, phone logs etc. since last August and see if any exchanges with her chinese/military attache/chauffer BFF were made. After 20 years together, her chinese connections are pretty solid.
Get a rope....wait...get several.
https://thebulwark.com/burr-and-loefflers-corona-cash-out/?utm_source=afternoon-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=The+Bulwark+Newsletter&utm_campaign=99de3aed0e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_20_07_43&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f4bd64ac2e-99de3aed0e-79959529 (https://thebulwark.com/burr-and-loefflers-corona-cash-out/?utm_source=afternoon-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=The+Bulwark+Newsletter&utm_campaign=99de3aed0e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_20_07_43&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f4bd64ac2e-99de3aed0e-79959529)
While the article makes some good points I'm taking it with a grain o salt,
The writer
"Tim Miller is a contributor to The Bulwark and a communications consultant. He previously served as senior advisor to the anti-Trump Our Principles PAC, communications director for Jeb Bush, and spokesman for the Republican National Committee"
Taken from the Bullworks own "about us" page, not exactly what I would call balanced / impartial writing
Hungry
Yeah, at least they are honest about it. Full disclosure.
But it is what it is. The facts don't change because you don't like who's saying it.
I agree with you on the crime and punishment, but like Joe Friday said so eloquently "Just the Facts Maam" why cant they stick to the facts and leave the personal opinions out of it.
[edit] I already know 3 friends that have lost jobs.
I'm just putting a book marker on it. We have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I want them put on notice. It's been recorded. We will be coming back for you later. And if any had been profiteering, they better hope the virus gets them between now and then. But that's for another time.
At the moment...whoa..if we have 5 million people loose their jobs all in April, I'd start to be worried about civil order. Stuff could get "real".
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/the-upcoming-job-losses-will-be-unlike-anything-the-us-has-ever-seen.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/the-upcoming-job-losses-will-be-unlike-anything-the-us-has-ever-seen.html)
Dallas is a big food economy. It's going to get hit hard. This is becoming sureal.
It might be time to head to the cabin sooner than I thought. Decisions decisions. At least it's not cold anymore.
[edit] I already know 3 friends that have lost jobs.
Just be careful if you're offered any green disks for eating. Don't ask for their ingredients. :devil
You mean these little green discs? lol
"Promise me!, Promise me!, ya gotta tell em!, Soylent Green is People!!!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4)
Hungry
Yeah, but if you remember, it was everyone's favorite flavor. :t
Yeah, but if you remember, it was everyone's favorite flavor. :t
Cartoon model predicts 32 deaths as of today in Washington State.
Actual number is 37.
Worrying part is if 1 week from now the number is about 84, and 2 weeks from now about 223. That's a doubling every 5 days.
But I am hopeful that chloroquine (or failing that, ammonium chloride) is a great treatment for SARS-2 infection.
Back on topic, maybe not as dumb an idea as it sounds...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/us/la-marijuana-coronavirus-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/us/la-marijuana-coronavirus-trnd/index.html)
There are a lot of stressed people right now. :rofl :rofl :rofl
I already know 3 friends that have lost jobs.
Just to keep some balance, please recognize that it is not easy being an employer when there is no income.
- oldman
Well, sure. I think all reasonable people understand that.
What I would like to see if I were king, in addition to the National Emergency Lock-Down Decree I mentioned above, a emergency furlough system where companies receive Federal assistance to keep their employees and receive money to distribute to them as a furlough stipend. That would make it easier on everyone to stay locked down to save lives while maintaining a connection between employers and employees so that when this is over there has been less disruption and companies can more easily spool back up their operations having maintained their employees so they don't have to go through the addition disruption of having to new hire and train an entire replacement workforce.
Yes, that would be massively expensive and lead to massive national debt. But this it the Big One. This is where we should pull out all stops and worry about the bill later.
We try and play it cheap, and we'll be picking through the rubble for a decade.
remember when once upon a time companies used bail out money to buy back their stock.
i would rather have unemployment give a higher percentage to laid off workers and just help employers with rent or other to keep them from closing permanently.
i have no trust due to personal experience that employers have employees in mind.
Yes, well that is easy enough to stipulate in the decree. Any company that doesn't want to agree to that can decline the assistance. There would also have to be some limit to executive pay to some reasonable multiple of the average employee pay.
You could just do it through unemployment, but keeping employers and their employees relationships intact would make recovery so much less difficult.
could not hire employees with a good employment record because they were over 30. they prefered new college graduates who didn't know crap.
semp
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/richard-burr-coronavirus-comments/index.html)
Oh I'm sure these goobers did not technically break any law (at least not so it can be proven). They have very well paid lawyers that instruct them exactly how to skate along the edge. And they are in a convenient position to vote against any laws that might keep them from doing this stuff.
And it's impossible to prove he didn't sell based on what he saw on CNBC rather than what he saw in he top secret security briefings. Yeah, it doesn't pass the smell test, but it is not what you know, it is what you can prove.
Justice won't come from an indictment, or censure. It'll come from shining a light on the cockroaches with Congressional investigations in the House, media. Public shaming is all you're going to get, but they still get to retire with their millions.
How are your retirement investments going? :O
How do they get live information? Don't they just get what's reported as each country updates?
Ive been referring to this one
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Data sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, state and national government health department, and local media reports.
Hungry
WHO says virus stays "alive":
~ 3 hours in an aerosolized form in some cases.
~ 24 hours of soft surfaces - i.e. cardboard
~ 48-72 hours on hard surfaces.
Heat and light tend to shorten its life.
... the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, touching a surface or object with the virus and then touching one's own face "is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads".
That one is easy: Why pay someone who knows what they are doing $30 an hr when they can hire "wet behind the ears" for $10 an hr?
Not sure what to make of Mexico, very low numbers, they either don't have the resources to test and report, fewer large population centers, travel to Mexico is less to a degree that they aren't getting exposed to it as a country like Italy would?
Any thoughts?
Hungry
Heres the site i like for data
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Yes, someone went to great lengths to make the available data easy to read.
I prefer this to importing data into a relational database myself.
I lost my patience in the 90s when I was busy migrating data from foxpro to access.
Could anyone ever determine how and where it started?LOVE THAT ONE! "Well didnt you want to commune with nature?" :rofl :aok It ends JUST RIGHT :rock
If it was accidental or otherwise?
Not what the chi coms claim- sry don't believe them at all
This thing seems like a powerful weapon if used strategically at the right place at the right
Would sound like a Clancy novel if he hadn't already wrote a book about a bio weapon
Imagine this made into an aerosol and pumped into a stadium cooling system at say the Olympics?
Hoping it can't be that easy as there are too many nut bags out there
<S>
Eagler
Heres the site i like for dataAnd if you scroll down and look at the per country numbers still the largest question is. Why is Germany doing so much better then the rest of the world? Both in terms of new cases, recovery and mortality, the number of deaths they are experiencing is more in line with countries that have a fraction of the number of the infections.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
it's not personal, it's just business.BEEN THERE :furious I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in 2002..then in 2004 my Hand Numbness was tested. It was Carpal Tunnel, not related to the MS. Saw company Doc with HR Manager present. He was like"The area you are in will be counter productive as to recovery(I was on the "Rail Loading" for the US GYPSUM/ THE SHEET ROCK company's newest plant in Alabama). This was where most folk with "restrictions" were sent. It did however tend to be a job that would have caused issues with Carpal Tunnel. Plus, My DOC put me on a 90 degree Cease and Desist Temperature limit due to increased fatigue possibilities(he started at 80f...had to beg for 90). So HR guy was like.."Have you thought about just drawing disability?" I was paying for Disability "Extended" Insurance at the time. So had the surgery and resigned myself to the reality of the situation.....just to get "Well, since your 5 years was NOT up...no Work/Insurance for you! Was 4 years and 11 months 14 days....WTF :furious So YEAH...have trust issues
ever read this on employee book. company and employee can terminate contract at any time with or without reason. company expects 2 weeks notice.
last job i worked i got hurt. several months later i was told i needed surgery by 3 different doctors company sent me to. i had a meeting with safety department and i was assured i would get the surgery i needed ti get back to work. 2 days later i was in a meeting with those two guys and hr telling me they could not accommodate my disability.
so how much trust do i have in company/ evoke l evoke l employee relations? none. years 25 years ago i could not hire employees with a good employment record because they were over 30. they prefered new college graduates who didn't know crap.
semp
... Then I'm screwed as well. ...
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So the reported CFR is artificially high. Good news.
A tad disconcerting.Interesting since a lot of states and cities are wanting to, or releasing non violent prisoners from the jails to clear them and stifle virus spread in contained facilities along with the doj new release using the first-step act.
This isn't foreign nationals they are talking about here. They're asking for the power to detain American citizens indefinitely.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023)
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health...
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,”
So the reported CFR is artificially high. Good news.
I can't imagine a BBC bulletin in 1940 saying 'You know, most bombs probably won't hit you'.
Interesting since a lot of states and cities are wanting to, or releasing non violent prisoners from the jails to clear them and stifle virus spread in contained facilities along with the doj new release using the first-step act.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-release-3100-inmates-under-first-step-act-publishes-risk-and
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cuyahoga-county-jail-inmates-being-released-due-to-concern-of-coronavirus-spread/
Interesting since a lot of states and cities are wanting to, or releasing non violent prisoners from the jails to clear them and stifle virus spread in contained facilities along with the doj new release using the first-step act.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-release-3100-inmates-under-first-step-act-publishes-risk-and
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cuyahoga-county-jail-inmates-being-released-due-to-concern-of-coronavirus-spread/
I can't even image (well, unfortunately I can) the crap-storm letting this stuff get into our prison systems would cause. I guarantee you the prison medical system isn't adequate to deal with something on that scale. The last thing we need are mass riots across our entire prison system because inmates would rather take their chances getting shot than lying in their cages waiting for their turn to drown in their own fluids.
What a nightmare.
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Simply being over 50 is a pre-existing co-morbidity factor. CoronaVirus didn't kill you, being older and weaker did.
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And the CDC and WHO basically lied to us about the effectiveness of masks for healthy people to mitigate the epidemic because they knew they needed them for medical staff.
I have decided to put off a series of tests that two of my doctors had urged me to undertake.
I will not risk bringing this thing home and impacting the rest of my family.
When you get to an age when you accept the fact that some of your body parts do not work in the way that you used to brag about, you start accepting a lot of other things.
I think that is a technical distinction without much of a difference.
A lot aren't killed by the CoronaVirus anyway. They are killed by the secondary bacterial infection that the CoronaVirus allowed to take hold. So technically, CoronaVirus didn't kill those people, bacterial pneumonia did. Technically correct, but meaningless.
It's like saying "it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden declaration when you hit the ground." Technically correct, but meaningless.
You can buy the blue pills online :)
This is a great local story:
Md. company donates 14,000 masks to state health department
https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2020/03/md-company-donates-14000-masks-to-state-health-department/
I will admit to having been wrong to underplay the utility of masks for the general public. [/color]
My original argument was that people were putting on their little cotton masks and completely ignoring their un-gloved hands and what they were touching.
However, now it is starting to look like this thing is easily aerosolized, and maybe can stay suspended quite some time and even be distributed by ventilation systems.
What a mess.
Maybe expose the masks to high intensity UV light? Some newer commercial HVAC systems have that built into the duct system with the exact idea of killing pathogens as they pass. Wonder why that hasn't been floated.
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Maybe expose the masks to high intensity UV light? Some newer commercial HVAC systems have that built into the duct system with the exact idea of killing pathogens as they pass. Wonder why that hasn't been floated.I was reading an article yesterday Ill have to see if I can find the link where they had done some studies on decontaminating some of the masks made by 3M using various methods with varying success.
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You read my mind. (Don't reveal the other stuff.)
One thing I don't quite grasp is, given the viable time on surfaces numbers I've seen, couldn't used masks be stored for a week or two and then be considered safe for reuse?
Wouldn't be my first choice, but if it came down to that or a bandanna in the later stage of the crisis I might take my chances with a properly aged N95.
:headscratch:
I think that N95 masks need to have a 1 micron filter (please correct me if I am wrong). I would expect fabric fatigue and failure at some point, and my guess is that that failure point would be undetectable without special equipment.
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And the CDC and WHO basically lied to us about the effectiveness of masks for healthy people to mitigate the epidemic because they knew they needed them for medical staff.
The WHO didnt lie. and Trips is partially correct.
The problem with the public wearing masks is a few things.
Yes it creates a shortage for health care workers who legitimately need them as they are many times more at risk then Joe on the street. And we NEED our healthcare workers to not be sick to deal with this.
Plus. 95% of people wearing masks do so incorrectly. Or they start messing with them after a short time. Or they when they take them off they grab the mask by the front and just plop them down anywhere and then re use them over and over. Each and every one of these things serves to render them as nearly as useless as if you hadn't worn anything at all and creates a situation where you potentially have what is called cross contamination.
Whenever I see people wearing masks I let them know of my experience and dont tell them that they shouldnt wear them. I simply tell them that they can wear them if it makes them feel more comfortable. but if they are going to wear them then they need to follow some rules if they want to have any hope of them being even partially effective. You want a complete seal around the face. Pinch the metal tabs around the nose and make sure you have no gaps. and for heavens sake. No matter how uncomfortable you feel Dont fiddle with them until you are taking it off. then you take it off by the bands. Oh. And shave your beards as this creates a pathway for things to get in. the only time i said otherwise is i saw a man who's mask was not only improperly fitted. But you can tell he used for a long time as it was positively filthy. AND he kept messing with it with ungloved hands. To him I told hi he was probably better off wearing nothing at all.
Trips argument about wearing a mask but ignoring their ungloved hands is entirely correct. What good is the mask if your hands and clothing are contaminated.
Standard procedure in hospitals (until this outbreak) was you remove the masks by the elastic and discard them upon leaving an area which might be contaminated each time, every time. And typically if you are trying to protect yourself from something that is or could be air borne or as Trips put it "aerosolized" (atomized) then you need to protect yourself from head to toe. That means disposable hair net, face sheild or some sort of eye protection, Mask, Gown (in hospitals they often have two types. Disposable or those that are washed), Gloves, and foot covering (booties) Each of which is supposed to be worn in, and then changed out each time , every time you leave a potentially contaminated area. Anything disposable, net,masks, gloves,booties, goes into the red trash bags. And non disposable gowns go into a hamper.. Then you are to follow up with a 20 second wash before you leave the area.
Remember especially if it is easily atomized. You dont want to protect just your airway. But your skin and clothing as well.
Back to the general population and health care workers. I just provided the standard hospital procedures or at least as they were 20 years ago. While not a doctor or actual health care provider myself. I was a foreman in part of what was called the Engineering Dept. As such, in my duties there was not a single area of the hospital I was not required at one point or another to go into and spend significant time in. As such we were then as I am know still because my wife still works there that most hospital workers are from Doctors right down to the janitors drilled as to proper procedure into entering and leaving sterile and/or potentially infectious areas. Then as it is now. it isnt just about protecting yourself. But others as well.
As I mentioned. they are many times more at risk then you or I just by the nature of their jobs. and the general public is VERY highly unlikely to properly protect themselves even with properly using the masks.
These things are needed far more for the health care workers.
I dont know about elsewhere. But I know in my area, some of the health care facilities now as a part of policy have implemented a health care worker first policy. Meaning health care workers get treated first and have first dibs on bed space if needed. In some places even over someone who might be in a more serious condition.
I think that N95 masks need to have a 1 micron filter (please correct me if I am wrong). I would expect fabric fatigue and failure at some point, and my guess is that that failure point would be undetectable without special equipment.
Yeah, but we're comparing that risk with them suggesting you use a bandanna at some point. What's the micron pass size of a bandanna from Walmart? Which pair of dice would you prefer to roll?
Just arrived.
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I am all set.
Maybe expose the masks to high intensity UV light? Some newer commercial HVAC systems have that built into the duct system with the exact idea of killing pathogens as they pass. Wonder why that hasn't been floated.I think UV light works better in clear medium also as UV-C is a mutagen I imagine one might cause a mutation if not used correctly or device is faulty. Also many different forms of diseases could start living in a mask that has been used so probably throwing away single use masks and filters is best.
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Given the shortage, I would preffer to give my roll of the die to a front line medical worker who probably knows how to use the dam thing.
The only expectation would be if I was sick. I would then put one on in an attempt to protect others.
You missed my point. The CDC is telling medical workers they might have to resort to bandannas at some point if all masks are exhausted.
If you were a medical worker on the front line, would you trust a Walmart bandanna or roll the dice with a used (sterilized?) N95 mask?
[Edit] My Mom is going to sew a bunch of these and start mailing them to our friends and relatives. Oh well. It will give her something to do in quarantine. ;)
https://buttoncounter.com/2018/01/14/facemask-a-picture-tutorial/ (https://buttoncounter.com/2018/01/14/facemask-a-picture-tutorial/)
OK copy now. See your point.
BTW I sew too. I have a Singer 328K from 1962. Used it last year make some Xmas gifts. Maybe I should make some masks as well....
Above-Top Secret contingency plans already exist for what the military is supposed to do if all the Constitutional successors are incapacitated. Standby orders were issued more than three weeks ago to ready these plans, not just to protect Washington but also to prepare for the possibility of some form of martial law.
According to new documents and interviews with military experts, the various plans – codenamed Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac – are the underground laws to ensure government continuity.
I have decided to put off a series of tests that two of my doctors had urged me to undertake.
I will not risk bringing this thing home and impacting the rest of my family.
BTW I sew too. I have a Singer 328K from 1962. Used it last year make some Xmas gifts. Maybe I should make some masks as well....
In my family, there were some doctor visits scheduled for non-essential things (looking at a sore shoulder) and some more-essential things (regarding necessary medications).
We cancelled the non-essential ones, but we are keeping the more-essential ones subject to the following steps.
Family member will:
-- Wear n95 mask from time of exiting car onward.
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Keep separation from other people as possible.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Once home, take off mask by straps and dispose in outside trash.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Upon entry to house, take off shoes and clothes.
-- Clothes go right into open washing machine.
-- Travel right to location of next step without touching anything else in house.
-- Wash hands and face with soap and water, or better yet take a shower.
-- Put on fresh clothes.
-- Go back and close the washing machine and start it washing.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit or medical cards used, then wash hands.
I do some of these steps even for visiting the gas station with no-one else around me, namely:
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit cards used, then wash hands.
whoooh Boy!
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-top-secret-plans-if-coronavirus-cripples-government-1492878 (https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-top-secret-plans-if-coronavirus-cripples-government-1492878)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2020/03/20/calling-all-people-who-sew-and-make-you-can-help-solve-2020-n95-type-mask-shortage/#3a3fc3f64e41 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2020/03/20/calling-all-people-who-sew-and-make-you-can-help-solve-2020-n95-type-mask-shortage/#3a3fc3f64e41)
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Even a mask that doesn't filter anything keeps you from inadvertently touching your mouth or nose. That is a huge benefit to any mask, even if it doesn't filter any particles.
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The truth is, if we had enough masks, the government would be saying, "Please everyone, please wear masks when you are out and about -- like folks in Asian countries do."
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plans dio secret that everybody knows their name. and experts reveal there basics of the plans.
I wouldn't say they're secret.
Some thoughts on masks.
In my family, there were some doctor visits scheduled for non-essential things (looking at a sore shoulder) and some more-essential things (regarding necessary medications).
We cancelled the non-essential ones, but we are keeping the more-essential ones subject to the following steps.
Family member will:
-- Wear n95 mask from time of exiting car onward.
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Keep separation from other people as possible.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Once home, take off mask by straps and dispose in outside trash.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Upon entry to house, take off shoes and clothes.
-- Clothes go right into open washing machine.
-- Travel right to location of next step without touching anything else in house.
-- Wash hands and face with soap and water, or better yet take a shower.
-- Put on fresh clothes.
-- Go back and close the washing machine and start it washing.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit or medical cards used, then wash hands.
I do some of these steps even for visiting the gas station with no-one else around me, namely:
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit cards used, then wash hands.
Secrets get leaked by people who think the public ought to know.
Pentagon Papers
Edward Snowden
etc.
or like any other country in the world, we have a plan that has existed for centuries and just got updated.
there's always a plan for everything. usa didn't just say hey we don't have a plan.
semp
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/ (https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/)
That, sir, is a cool article! Thanks for posting. :aok
Sure. We even have plans to invade Canada. Why we would ever want to, I have no idea. It's too fricken cold up there. :old:
Unlike those, these have been placed on STANDBY in the last couple of weeks. So, it's a little different.
BTW, from you punctuation and clarity, I take it the chips have all ran out and your emergency supplies are down to just down to the beer now?
actually the only thing I'm short if is alcohol.
actually the only thing I'm short if is alcohol.
Have any hand sanitizer?
Give it a try. You might develop a taste for it.
"Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat."
- Alex Levine
..actually the only thing I'm short if is alcohol.
semp
Just arrived.
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I am all set.
Duo to the recent developments the company that i work for had to let go of 3 people so far and i had to cut working hours for my partime co workers today. Here in the Netherlands all events are canceled and there is a massive fear for the Corona virus. We also ran out of test's which means someone like me wont get tested, even worse most hospital staff does not get tested.
I am quite positive i caught the virus. However i have very minor symptoms for about a week now. There is not a lot to be scared of, the common cold so far is a much worse experience.
(some insight: I work at the Amsterdam Airport the third biggest EU airport and i interact with hundreds of people everyday. No, i dont work for the customs)
Dutch
In my family, there were some doctor visits scheduled for non-essential things (looking at a sore shoulder) and some more-essential things (regarding necessary medications).
We cancelled the non-essential ones, but we are keeping the more-essential ones subject to the following steps.
Family member will:
-- Wear n95 mask from time of exiting car onward.
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Keep separation from other people as possible.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Once home, take off mask by straps and dispose in outside trash.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Upon entry to house, take off shoes and clothes.
-- Clothes go right into open washing machine.
-- Travel right to location of next step without touching anything else in house.
-- Wash hands and face with soap and water, or better yet take a shower.
-- Put on fresh clothes.
-- Go back and close the washing machine and start it washing.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit or medical cards used, then wash hands.
I do some of these steps even for visiting the gas station with no-one else around me, namely:
-- Not rub eyes, pick nose, or touch face during visit.
-- Thoroughly disinfect hands with sanitizer after visit before touching car keys, door handle, etc., or entering car.
-- Disinfect hands again before touching door knob to enter house.
-- Use alcohol to rub down any credit cards used, then wash hands.
I hope you also have glasses with good eye protection.
Personally I think that for average ventures into the out doors i think you are going a bit overboard.
I would agree with you if I were advocating those steps for average ventures outdoors.
But I'm not.
Those are the steps for going into a doctor's office or medical center that has sick people going through it.
For outdoors or a walk around the neighborhood, we go out as normal, kick the ball around with my girls or ride bikes, and come back inside.
I, too, think that the human race will be fine.
But I think that there is now and is going to continue to be a lot of economic disruption.
I don't think all of it is due to SARS-2. In my opinion, the world financial systems transitioned into bizarro world after 2008. I feel that a big correction would happen at some point with or without SARS-2. Sort of like how snow builds up to the point of an avalanche, which can be triggered by an explosion, or at some point even without that, by a single skier gliding past.
But who knows. If I were 100% sure, I'd have put all my money into levered shorts or vix calls.
I've felt for years that there would be big deflationary crash, followed by previously unfathomable government printing of money, followed by . . . inflation? continued deflation? Depends how much governments print.
For years, I've obviously been wrong. And even if I am eventually right, am I just the broken clock that is right twice a day?
I, too, think that the human race will be fine.
But I think that there is now and is going to continue to be a lot of economic disruption.
I don't think all of it is due to SARS-2. In my opinion, the world financial systems transitioned into bizarro world after 2008.
I've felt for years that there would be big deflationary crash, followed by previously unfathomable government printing of money, followed by . . . inflation? continued deflation? Depends how much governments print.
heck about 10 years ago there was a thread here that people were stocking up on supplies just in case of this happening.
However I do see long term opportunity here on stocks you just know are going to recover long term.
Carnival Cruise lines ( CCL) is understandably down to around $12 a share from $51 a share in Jan. And is well well WELL below its historical average.
Happen to remember Stagflation?
Semp, you are so reactionary! It was only 5 years ago! ;) :D
I vaguely remember, because I was posting the laziest man's way of having emergency food. (Sealed mylar bags of beans and rice, with an oxygen absorber pack put in before sealing the mylar. Will last for more than 30 years. Rice and beans together make a complete protein, so you can live off of it. 5 gal bucket worth is a man-month of calories. And for water, a Sawyer Products filter for $20.)
For me, it wasn't an epidemic that caused me to look into it. It was in case of EMP or Carrington Event. Both extremely low odds, in my view, but with extremely dire consequences if they happened. I figured that, if I could do some preparation for a minor amount of work and cost, then I'd go for it.
Dutchy is my Brother/Squad Mate...as of last communication he is doing OK! As of latest updated...NOT tested, because symptoms were Mild and not Critical enough to induce testing? BETTER BE THE SAME or better as he hasnt told me otherwise :uhoh
Still with us Dutch?
SitRep?
:salute
After my getting the H1N1 a 6 weeks ago of which I had no immunity, my immune system is like.........
This is a great local story:
Md. company donates 14,000 masks to state health department
https://wtop.com/anne-arundel-county/2020/03/md-company-donates-14000-masks-to-state-health-department/
More good news:
Portland strip club forced to close, so dancers now do delivery
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/portland-strip-club-forced-to-close-so-dancers-now-do-delivery.html
I did not know. How are you holding up?
Are you extreme isolating?
As of yesterday, she wants more guns.....LOL.
That is my largest fear: that the government will land on the one perfect spot where there is not even one asset left that isn't going down.
The government cronies who are being given stupefying mountains of free cash will do great, though.
But the language drafted by Senate Republicans also allows Mnuchin to withhold the names of the companies that receive federal money and how much they get for up to six months if he so decides.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/democrats-slush-fund-republican-rescue-package-143565 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/democrats-slush-fund-republican-rescue-package-143565)
a couple of weeks ago, i bought prepackaged 40 lbs of beef and chicken, wife was not happy. but it was 5 bucks a lb. next day on impulse i bought 10 lbs of rice and beans. got a bunch of sopas. and canned vegetables. wife was surprised, i prefer fresh vegetables and fruit. not joking next day people made a run for the stores. now me i buy food for 1 week. but 300 bucks and i have enough food for over a month.
More good news:
Portland strip club forced to close, so dancers now do delivery
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/portland-strip-club-forced-to-close-so-dancers-now-do-delivery.html
Think of the greater Socialist Collective of weak stupid people!Those who suffer most from the mindless hoarding are probably some older people who do not have enough strength to carry all that stuff (like 10 packs of toilet paper), are on a budget and are also part of the virus risk group.
Those who suffer most from the mindless hoarding are probably some older people who do not have enough strength to carry all that stuff (like 10 packs of toilet paper), are on a budget and are also part of the virus risk group.
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And remember, Chicom party have been lying about this all along.. Sooo????
Those who suffer most from the mindless hoarding are probably some older people who do not have enough strength to carry all that stuff (like 10 packs of toilet paper), are on a budget and are also part of the virus risk group.
Another great hoarding video on penguinz0 channel:
Reticulous hoarders should not forget condoms, so there would be less chance of them multiplying.
i know a few old timers from the legion. they're living on 8 or 900 bucks a month. they all have food, always have. guess they grew up in a different time. i call them everyday and biggest complain i hear is that they miss the legion.
Planting Potatoes today, Easy as hell to grow, and great yield for the effort, (rototiller)..
Plant now, they will be ready in July, Plant in April, ready in August, on and on..
Just in case things get way out of hand..
today i won't buy fresh fruit or vegetables. except tomatoes and onions. people touch them and I'm not taking a risk. wifey s lungs aren't that good, so she's a high risk.
i know a few old timers from the legion. they're living on 8 or 900 bucks a month. they all have food, always have. guess they grew up in a different time. i call them everyday and biggest complain i hear is that they miss the legion.
semp
I'm 57 and it presented just like a heart attack at 4:00 am so we went in.
Yeah. You know that 500bn they are trying to get through today?
Throwing around 500bn in secret is a recipe for Crony Capitalism.
Well, technically he was correct. It has prevented him from getting CoronaVirus now.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/man-dies-wife-in-critical-condition-after-ingesting-chloroquine-phosphate-hoping-to-stave-off-coronavirus-2020-03-23?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/man-dies-wife-in-critical-condition-after-ingesting-chloroquine-phosphate-hoping-to-stave-off-coronavirus-2020-03-23?mod=home-page)
OK, guys. In case it needed saying.. don't eat your aquarium chemicals...mmmmm-k?
she actually makes it and uses it
My girl, as I write this, is on the front lines testing people for coronavirus.
I doubt we can both avoid getting it so we're hoping receiving minimum virus particles at time of infection will make for a mild case.
I set up a "triage unit" in the garage with carpet and mood lighting where she can drive in, shed her clothes, disinfect her hands and face (only parts exposed) and run inside for a shower.
Then we clean her car, shoes, doorknobs on the house, and wash her clothes.
Then we clean again.
I originally had a gastrointestinal issue in late january from using our wellwater for brushing my teeth when part of our system (the UV light chamber) was malfunctioning.
I'm 57 and it presented just like a heart attack at 4:00 am so we went in.
My left arm bicep was cramping but that was probably from the extreme raking and sweeping I did the day before.
I actually passed out during receiving and knew it was coming as the tingling started in fingers and feet before progressing until my entire body was tingling except my chest......which still hurt.
When tunnel vision started in, I used same process pilots use to keep from gLoc and my vision opened back up but after 9 or 10 times, I laid down on the floor with my knees up and got one more full field of vision before the darkness came. Luckily, I had empty bowels and bladder and woke up in a chair.
They told me I was mumbling and playing air guitar before I fully regained consciousness.
They kept me for 2 days of tests and observation while I did all the tests with treadmill and such with imaging and two types of radioactive isotopes.........one injected and one oral.
I figured they would recommend stents or a bypass since I exist on bacon, captain crunch, and oreos but they said my arteries looked great and there was zero indication of heart muscle damage.
I tested negative for the flu and they released me.
Started feeling only marginally better for about a day at home until I presented classic flu symptoms. It hit hard and I spent two weeks in bed. I felt the very beginnings of lung issues just as I recovered but not enough to show up when listening with a stethoscope. It went away in 2 days but I coughed up stuff for 2 weeks after.
I'm hoping my coronavirus case will feel much the same or less severe and am already gargling mouthwash and such but I haven't yet convinced my girl that I need shots of whiskey as a preventative measure.
It was hard enough to convince her that we may need guns until I found a cheap broken gun in her lingerie drawer and fixed it up. As of yesterday, she wants more guns.....LOL.
I also got a large cylinder of oxygen "for my welder" and surgical tubing but it's really there in case either of us run into low O2 levels in our blood before we can secure professional medical help.
We won't let it give us a false sense of security but rather use it to deal with what would probably be a long wait for treatment. The plan is to do our waiting in the car with the cylinder while we wait for a text from the hospital that treatment is available though we might have to wait longer at home...........hence the cylinder.
I huffed it like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet a few days ago and no bad tastes or negative effects other than pretty intense drying so work out a way to combat that.
If you guys have any ideas.....let me know.
Now 27 people have the virus out of almost 5,000,000 here in the county.
My girl, as I write this, is on the front lines testing people for coronavirus.
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... but I haven't yet convinced my girl that I need shots of whiskey as a preventative measure.
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27 tested and confirmed. That doesn't mean only 27 people in Harris county have it.
Houston Chronicle now shows Harris County at 78 cases with 1 death.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/coronavirus/article/texas-coronavirus-map-cases-houston-covid-19-15137466.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/coronavirus/article/texas-coronavirus-map-cases-houston-covid-19-15137466.php)
Even with the restrictions in place, cases in the US have more than doubled in last 3 days. I was hoping we’d see the curve flatten at least a little but no evidence of that yet.
We're safe. it's all a hoax. Shuffler doesn't yet know anyone personally who has it, so it can't be real.
27 tested and confirmed. That doesn't mean only 27 people in Harris county have it.
Yes 27 actual known real people. Out of almost 5 million actual real people.
200,000 may have heart problems...... but that is not important. Let's concentrate on those 27.
Houston Chronicle now shows Harris County at 78 cases with 1 death.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/coronavirus/article/texas-coronavirus-map-cases-houston-covid-19-15137466.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/coronavirus/article/texas-coronavirus-map-cases-houston-covid-19-15137466.php)
Even with the restrictions in place, cases in the US have more than doubled in last 3 days. I was hoping we’d see the curve flatten at least a little but no evidence of that yet.
Yes 27 actual known real people. Out of almost 5 million actual real people.
200,000 may have heart problems...... but that is not important. Let's concentrate on those 27.
27 known real people tested and confirmed. Everyone they interacted with are potential vectors. Contagious diseases aren't your thing, are they?
27 known real people tested and confirmed. Everyone they interacted with are potential vectors. Contagious diseases aren't your thing, are they?
well on the bright side looks like panic buying is slowing down. stores still have no returns policy. but i saw shelves back up full. few people inside. lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. only thing missing is toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
semp
Might wanna think about spraying your mail with bleach water too..Remember. Tis the season still for all sorts of bugs. Thats part of the problem
And any deliveries like UPS FEDEX etc etc..
My Sister just called, my Nephew works for UPS, he says they are all getting sick! :uhoh
Pretty much Guarantees that the packages are contaminated..
Cool... money for obamaphones and an orchestra is really going to help with this virus.
Only cost us about $10,000 each. That is those of us paying taxes.
heart problems aren't contagious. 27 people can make well over 200k in a couple of months.
semp
Ok so some do not care about more people actually dieing.
About death rates:
Even with the restrictions in place, cases in the US have more than doubled in last 3 days. I was hoping we’d see the curve flatten at least a little but no evidence of that yet.Realistic hope for the curve to flatten would be about 2 weeks after panic buying has stopped IMHO.
Yes 27 actual known real people. Out of almost 5 million actual real people.Having a coronavirus infection makes things a lot harder for those who might have heart problems and other health problems within the risk group, so it can have an influence on all people with other diseases. Someone with a heart problem will probably not pose a threat to someone else who has an asthma for example.
200,000 may have heart problems...... but that is not important. Let's concentrate on those 27.
What an idiotic 'Logans Run' comment to make.
You are missing the point by looking at outcomes only and not causes. Things like heart disease are mostly self-inflicted by choices people keep making over long periods of time. That's very different from an infectious disease that spreads from people without symptoms and that nobody has immunity to because it's a new virus.
What you need to do to prevent heart disease is already known and you've heard about it for years. It's not an emergency that's likely to overwhelm our healthcare system.
The reason only 800 are dead so far in the US is because we are at the beginning of this epidemic. The rapid response may be enough to mitigate it despite so many people not taking it seriously. In another week it should be clear to everybody that this is a serious problem.
I think I might have it. I've been ill for a week. I thought it was flu. Today I went to buy 800 3M N100 (FFP3) face masks. Some dude sold them for 1€ per piece, best before date 2013... Had a lot of dry cough in the morning. Had to really contrate not to cough while buying the masks. About 5 hours ago I noticed some muscle pain and it has been getting worse, and I feel pretty weak. If it's COVID-19, then it's hopefully a really mild case.
Having a coronavirus infection makes things a lot harder for those who might have heart problems and other health problems within the risk group, so it can have an influence on all people with other diseases. Someone with a heart problem will probably not pose a threat to someone else who has an asthma for example.Cancer, flu, colds, heat.... lots of things make it harder for folks with heart problems. No disagreement there.
I wonder if Coronavirus can stay on surfaces for days and people cough and sneeze with droplets landing on the ground etc, spit on the ground, dust their homes... Then would it be possible to get the infection by having dust particles flying into one`s eye during strong wind or breathing in airborne dust in higly populated and infected areas. Maybe a bit too far-fetched.
If you don't wash you hands and practice sanitary habits..... many things can be considered "self inflicted".
Call your Doctor. Don't wait. Wear your mask.
Are you able to get tested?
No chance in hell.
I think I might have it.
It doesn't work like that in the socialist medicine. No one will be interested if I call the city health line. Private practices are full. Anyway, I have already self isolated myself apart from that mask buying trip. The masks are for family, colleagues and friends. Can't make myself to sell them for profit. They are in plastic bags inside cardboard boxes. No telling now if the boxes are contaminated. I did cough while unloading them.
If YOU are the one one that sick then YOU are the one that should be wearing the mask
:aok Damn right, Mask works both ways!
Yesterday about 800 dead, wake up this morning 1000+ dead..
But it's just the Flu, :cool:
Well, if the Government wants to maintain any credibility???
Then they better quit tryin to blow sunshine up our backsides..
It ain't workin, :joystick:
Yesterday about 800 dead, wake up this morning 1000+ dead..However if you do want to go there. I cant vouch for how accurate it is. But here is someone that ran some numbers on Flu deaths per week in 2019
But it's just the Flu, :cool:
Well, if the Government wants to maintain any credibility???
Then they better quit tryin to blow sunshine up our backsides..
It ain't workin, :joystick:
If YOU are the one one that sick then YOU are the one that should be wearing the maskNot when the mask has an exhalation valve.
I think I might have it. I've been ill for a week. I thought it was flu. Today I went to buy 800 3M N100 (FFP3) face masks. Some dude sold them for 1€ per piece, best before date 2013... Had a lot of dry cough in the morning. Had to really contrate not to cough while buying the masks. About 5 hours ago I noticed some muscle pain and it has been getting worse, and I feel pretty weak. If it's COVID-19, then it's hopefully a really mild case.Doesn´t your country have a COVID info website with all information about who to call and what to do in different cases described?
Yesterday about 800 dead, wake up this morning 1000+ dead..
But it's just the Flu, :cool:
Well, if the Government wants to maintain any credibility???
Then they better quit tryin to blow sunshine up our backsides..
It ain't workin, :joystick:
Yes.... look how many are dead from the regular flu.
Thing is, some people are doing the responsible thing, but others are not.. So the isolation will need to be LONGER and LONGER.. Because of the carriers still out there, the infection cycle continues.. Idiots are just gonna drag it out until it screws up everything.. (insert facepalm emoji)
About death rates:
[military training rant on]
There is zero benefit of wearing a mask or gloves if you do not have the virus. They're social soothers - to give you the false impression you are doing your part to stop the spread.
but why does using one time use gloves when having to touch common surfaces (like card key pad) not help?
I have not heard anyone state that isolation will lessen the total number of people who get the virus.
There is zero benefit of wearing a mask or gloves if you do not have the virus. They're social soothers - to give you the false impression you are doing your part to stop the spread.
Walk through this with me. Typical person in line at store to check out. Put on a glove or two. Pull out wallet, insert into card reader, use pin pad, germs now on glove, remove card from terminal, germs now on card, place card into wallet, yup germs there too now and clothing or where ever you keep your wallet. Then go home a few hours later and order something online, get germed card and order. Later on eyes itch well guess I'll rub my eye, infected. Kind of a stretch but possible. How many of us clean a card before putting it back in a wallet? :)
Ive done this very transaction.
Walk through this with me. Typical person in line at store to check out. Put on a glove or two. Pull out wallet, insert into card reader, use pin pad, germs now on glove, remove card from terminal, germs now on card, place card into wallet, yup germs there too now and clothing or where ever you keep your wallet. Then go home a few hours later and order something online, get germed card and order. Later on eyes itch well guess I'll rub my eye, infected. Kind of a stretch but possible. How many of us clean a card before putting it back in a wallet? :)
Ive done this very transaction.
Card inserted with left hand hand no glove, Keyed with glove on right hand Then glove removed. Card removed with left hand and put back in wallet.
But I do understand your reasoning.
HiTech
This is going to turn us all into Howard Hughes before it's over. :D
(Who developed his phobias from his childhood during the Spanish Flu Pandemic)
Unless you have a proper haz suit, and have a de-com tent with people inside to decontaminate and undress you when you're ready to go into isolation, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, you can do to prevent yourself from eventually contracting this virus.
I get it Hitech, why not put it on including gloves etc. The challenge, I could watch you do everything possible to avoid surface contact when outside, or for example, at a grocery store. It could be something as simply backing up into a door, brush your clothing against an isle, reach over to grab some fruit/veggies and the bottom of your pants or jacket brushes against the bottom of the cooler. I could count a dozen times you came into contact with surfaces that would bring a pandemic virus back into your house.
We taught this issue when we did NBCW training, especially if we did tear gas training. I run out of hands to count the number of comments students made days later or burning or itching from clothing and gear they didn't properly clean post NBCW exercise.
Unless you have a proper haz suit, and have a de-com tent with people inside to decontaminate and undress you when you're ready to go into isolation, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, you can do to prevent yourself from eventually contracting this virus.
That said, proper hand washing, self isolation, etc will 100% slow the transmission. It's all we need to do.
And then, there is Karen.
I can't help but feel for those almost 10,000 people who died of the flu in Texas in 2017-2018. Not one business locked up, not one news story of a pandemic.
So far this evil corona has killed 18 in Texas.
Usa just surged past china in cases of coronavirus.
Don't worry shuffler...........you will get your deaths.
Stop it with the 'it's just another flu' analogy (or 'flu's a pandemic too!' jig). Your 'feelings' come off suspicious. By the time the count means something to you it'll be too late (well, it already kinda is).
Americans know that is garbage and that the WHO along with the WTO boot lickers are in bed with China to cover up mass corruption and false reporting #s.
Still sticking with your Estimate?
Less that 100 US deaths total? Over by end of March?
I think you undershot a little there Sparky.
I'm still closer to the average of 100 than your fear based media estimated.
This is not correct. I have not heard anyone state that isolation will lessen the total number of people who get the virus. It only will spread out the time it takes the virus to go threw the population (I.E. Flaten curve) and hence lower the load on the health care system. So what you say is dragging things out, is actually backwards.
HiTech
HiTech
Sorry, but I don't believe that is an accurate statement.
I'm not saying your odds go to zero with masks, gloves and intelligent behavior adjustments, but I see no evidence it has zero benefit either.
Can you provide the link to where ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, made an estimate of the deaths by the end of March?
Because I have a link to a post where you did.
They are using the CDCs #s sooo...
Can you provide the link to where the CDC made an estimate of the deaths by the end of March?
Because I have a link to a post where you did.
We are at less than 1000 deaths in over a month with 68.5k cases.
In 6 days we've gone from 18k cases to 68K cases.
That's about the size of a normal football stadium.
We have ~ 340M people in the US.
The the NYT estimated between 200K and 1.7 million deaths if nothing was done over a span of "months".
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/202003/13/us/coronavirus-deathsestimate.amp.html%3f0p19G=0038
We arent even anywhere close to that. Nor was Chinas, even flubbing their #s. That is 100% PURE fear speculation and dangerous propaganda that has crushed our economy, which is worse than the damn virus.
Not sure why the stupid link isnt working :headscratch: but got it right off google. "CDC # of deaths estimate".
you still aren't answering about 100 deaths.
He knows. For some, admitting they were obviously wrong is impossible. :banana:
83,553 cases and 1200 deaths in USA at 7:00 pm eastern time.
For some of us this debate about death numbers and politics is really getting old. By the time this is over the death toll worldwide is going to be biblical. Laying blame is both ignorant and meaningless. Science has already proven that no one is to blame; viruses mutate and when they do, they can become deadly.
This is not an American crisis, its a world crisis akin to a world war. It's going to take worldwide scientific co-operation to solve it; and politicians need to get out of the way.
And you will owe me an apology when the truth comes out. ;)
In 6 days we've gone from 18k cases to 68K cases.
He knows. For some, admitting they were obviously wrong is impossible. :banana:
There you go. You are starting to get the faintest glimmer of understanding exponential growth. A 3.7 fold increase in cases in 6 days. We are ramping up testing so that is part of it.
So lets say a number increases 3 fold every 6 days compounding.
1000 day 1
3000 day 6
9000 day 11
27000 day 16
81,000 day 21
243,000 day 26
729,000 day 31
At 3 fold increase every 6 days a number could go from 1000 to 729,000 in 31 days. Now continue that out for at least another 365 days.
[edit: you might get to herd immunity before you'd get to day 365, but I think you can glimpse the cost of that.]
Those aren't the deaths I'm predicting. I'm just trying to get you to understand the threat of exponential growth. Hopefully our isolation attempts can bend that curve, but mathematically you can surely see the risk of exponential transmission.
I'm not sure you and Shuffler understand exponential growth. That's why you couldn't conceive we'd have WELL over 1000 deaths by the end of March a month ago when we only had 10 or so.
in his defense i lost track of numbers myself. yesterday i woke up to 1k. it was just 300 it seems like the it was 100 the other dau.
You've never offered one when proven wrong. A double standard is no standard at all.
Save your breath with him Arlo.
As Mark Twain lamented
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Arrogance and being condescending is why your leftist are failing. But go ahead and feel smart about yourself while you still can.
Looking at Chinas #s. My estimates were not far off. Who knew it would spread like wildfire in America. That being said, I still dont know anyone who has it.
They are still estimating 81K deaths in the US by August. Seems a bit steep.
Just got a text from my son. I had asked him if there was or if he he knew an official number as to what percentage of the population will become infected. He said as far as he knows now that unfortunately there are no hard fast official estimates as to how many will become infected.. the following is an exact quote
"The issue is overloading the medical system. Ya the death rate is around 1 percent. But if overloaded it jumps to around 7"
That is according to the numbers and models they are currently looking at at FEMA. Hence the reason for the desire to flatten the curve, keep the medical practitioners in supply of ventilators, masks, and other medical equipment that people have taken to hording for themselves.
My wife called me today to ask if I, or knew if any of my suppliers had any masks in stock that could be donated to the hospital or that the hospital could buy. They have only a few cases thus far but because of other needs and the lack of supply. Even they are running dangerously low.
No I completely agree with you and him. Hospitals do need to be prepared and over stocked. Theres no doubt in my mind companies in America are racing to make them. He's right, there is no way a real estimate could be made. That's why it pains me to see media articles writing extremes. To me, this response we are seeing will prepare us for anything much better in the future. It has made our online healthcare much better. I wish the best for our real healthcare officials on the line for this stuff. It takes real courage. I really hope to see cases clearing up because of people like them who are actually treating people.
I think the point is that the death rate could go in either direction. It could stay for lack of a better term. "reasonably low"
Or it could soar to un paralleled levels. The key is how stressed the health care becomes and how we contribute to it one way or the other with our actions or inaction's.
As far as medical supplies are concerned. The health care workers need them far far FAR more then we do as individuals.
As far as the masks are concerned and to partially answer Hitechs question to Mr Fork
These masks to be effective need to be changed out often and not messed with once put on. First and foremost it must be fitted and worn correctly for it to even work at all. Which is something I thus far have seen very few people doing. Out of 20 people i saw yesterday in masks. 3 were actually wearing them correctly and/or hadnt ruined them through obvious misuse or readjusting. Once you initially put it on. The moment you start fiddling with it and adjusting it you start messing with its effectiveness. Most people dont have the discipline to just leave them alone
You cant just wear the same mask every day and expect it to remain effective.
.
Plus. all it does is protect you from breathing it in immediately. Even though the airborne particles may be at least partially blocked from the mask. and even if they were fully blocked. that doesn't prevent them from landing on your skin, clothing. Or especially on the outside of the mask. Now most will use the same mask over and over. Well lets say you have been exposed but the mask protected you from that initial exposure. Well the bottom line is you now still have a contaminated mask that you likely don't even know is contaminated. Just because ti still looks clean and pristine. Doesn't mean it is THAT is why you are supposed to change them out each time. Every time you use them
Not to mention that because you weren't wearing disposable personal protective clothing as well as, head and foot covering etc etc. Everything you wear is contaminated too literally from head to toe.
To be protected effectively. on top of wearing that mask you should be dressed like the people in this picture
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/01/27/world/27china-briefing-1/merlin_167871429_308951e1-7d71-4d2c-9fd0-fc5fe66fb5ad-superJumbo.jpg)
And in this picture of the four facing the camera only two are adequately protected. Note the one with raised goggles.
Now these are actual health care workers who are struggling/neglecting to follow proper protocol. Average people are far worse
My son isnt a doctor. He does work for the federal government with the Dept of homeland Security and FEMA. He doesnt tell me everything he does, and considering how close we are I get the feeling he isnt allowed to tell me everything he does or knows. But I know some of his duties with relation to current events in a nutshell are to gather and present data. But he has also has had work to organize logistics among other things.
And for what's it's worth. I'd much rather hear from doctors on the ground like your son, rather than from the former Health Ministery leader of Ethiopia.
Just got a text from my son. I had asked him if there was or if he he knew an official number as to what percentage of the population will become infected. He said as far as he knows now that unfortunately there are no hard fast official estimates as to how many will become infected.. the following is an exact quote
"The issue is overloading the medical system. Ya the death rate is around 1 percent. But if overloaded it jumps to around 7"
That is according to the numbers and models they are currently looking at at FEMA. Hence the reason for the desire to flatten the curve, keep the medical practitioners in supply of ventilators, masks, and other medical equipment that people have taken to hording for themselves.
My wife called me today to ask if I, or knew if any of my suppliers had any masks in stock that could be donated to the hospital or that the hospital could buy. They have only a few cases thus far but because of other needs and the lack of supply. Even they are running dangerously low.
Italy and China both experienced about 5.5% dead among the infected. Of course, in China's case there is a matter of 21 million missing cell phones, or people.
False,the ratio you speak of is tested positive not infected.The mistake of that term is really starting to irritate me because infected to positive test is a huge uknown.
False,the ratio you speak of is tested positive not infected.The mistake of that term is really starting to irritate me because infected to positive test is a huge uknown.
For some of us this debate about death numbers and politics is really getting old. By the time this is over the death toll worldwide is going to be biblical. Laying blame is both ignorant and meaningless. Science has already proven that no one is to blame; viruses mutate and when they do, they can become deadly.
This is not an American crisis, its a world crisis akin to a world war. It's going to take worldwide scientific co-operation to solve it; and politicians need to get out of the way.
Gary "Heavin ... said of COVID-19, “We know that it’s a weaponized virus because we see the RNA strands that were put into this virus from HIV, from MERS, and from the SARS virus. There’s no way this could have happened in nature.” As for who made COVID-19, Heavin pointed to “the powers that be in this country who want to destroy [Donald] Trump’s presidency.”":noid
The US has bee tracking a death rate that's doubling every 3 day. There is no evidence so far of that velocity is slowing.
If only you guys could see the Double Reverse False Flag Operation under way right now you would understand what is going on here....
:noid
https://www.mediamatters.org/infowars/texas-businessman-who-claims-coronavirus-race-targeting-bioweapon-says-he-advised-texas
Then put aside the unknowns for now. Simply look at the number of actual deaths and the rate of increase. That is a known. We're not guessing about the dead bodies.
Usa just surged past china in cases of coronavirus.
Don't worry shuffler...........you will get your deaths.
So far there is no evidence that this virus will decline in Summer (Sure hope it does. That would give us some needed time.). And by June, the resolve to maintain quarantines will have evaporated so the infection rate will accelerate again. Come Sept, Oct, Nov? Hold on Nellie. That might make April look like a walk in the park.
You seem to be trying to prove something I'm not even speaking about?
So what are you really measuring by looking at the numbers of confirmed cases.
Which is exactly why I'm suggesting not to do that. Because I'm agreeing that is weak data.
:noid
It's the untested that pose a HUGE risk to containing this disease. Many states are now only testing those who show up and require ICU/medical care. That poses a mind-boggling question, WTF are they hoping to accomplish by under-reporting COVID infections?
Oh Great! :bolt:
A university in Iceland did a genetic study within their small population, that allowed them to track it directly back to the source carriers.. One from Italy, One from Austria, One from UK.. Apparently, they are separate mutations.. Now they have discovered 40 mutations.. And, that a person can have more than one mutation at the same time..
Maybe that's why people are getting re-infected???
It's on Duck Duck..
Iceland Scientists find 40 mutations..
Fingers crossed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/)
(https://resizing.flixster.com/-btb-v8jtfbvtP4basTxwhp2Ex0=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3MzkzNDtqOzE4NDQ0OzEyMDA7ODAwOzEyMDA)
As for blame, it's obvious that China lying and covering this up is why it's a pandemic and not just another local outbreak. It's also the reason the initial response was slow all over the world.
I think we can also blame the national stockpile of masks being depleted in 2009 and not being restocked on somebody.
:rofl
Serum-plasma treatment is the entire premise of I Am Legend (book) and how it began in the movie and The Omega Man.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/yl3i2WXTsbhOyoJbgCZwyWaPO98=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19832101/Covid_19_Transmission_graphic_01.gif)
If blaming someone for the unforeseen, makes you feel more righteous than someone else, then go for it. I see little gained by that.
China was very quick (January 2020) through the work of Dr. Edward Holmes, PhD, with the University of Sydney and Dr. Yong-Zhen Zhang, PhD, with University in Shanghai to publish to the world the genetic code of this virus. Considering the virus was only identified in November 2019, I at a loss to see the lies or the cover up.
This code will provide the information to allow the best antiviral researchers in the world to find the vaccine necessary to eradicate this disease.
If you really need to find blame, lay it upon cheap air travel and ultra long range airliners. Having been an airline pilot and understanding how pressurization and air conditioning systems work, I cannot envisage a more efficient petry dish for assuring efficient spread of the virus to all aboard.
Oh Great! :bolt:
A university in Iceland did a genetic study within their small population, that allowed them to track it directly back to the source carriers.. One from Italy, One from Austria, One from UK.. Apparently, they are separate mutations.. Now they have discovered 40 mutations.. And, that a person can have more than one mutation at the same time..
Maybe that's why people are getting re-infected???
A lot of Americans have TDS.
Taxes Deducted at Source?
No politics
LOL YOU have no moral ground to state that since YOU are the one calling it the CHINESE virus.
Cartoon model predicted 84 deaths as of today in Washington State.
Actual is 83.
Today, according to the official numbers, Italy with a population of 60 million, has as many confirmed cases of the Chinese virus as China, with a population of 1.4 billion.
Italy, with it's "state of the art health care system" 2nd in the world according to WHO, has 3 times the fatalities.
Does anyone believe the Chinese numbers?
Does it matter if the country we still get critical medical supplies from can't be trusted?
this reminds me of something.
decades ago, pharma companies rallied against importing medicines from Canada at cheaper prices because they couldn't guarantee the safety.
Canada called them to a meeting to explain why they're medicines weren't safe, pharma assured Canada medicines were safe. but still didn't want them imported to these us.
and here we are, getting them from China.
semp
this reminds me of something.
Canada called them to a meeting to explain why they're medicines weren't safe, pharma assured Canada medicines were safe. but still didn't want them imported to these us.
and here we are, getting them from China.
semp
Today, according to the official numbers, Italy with a population of 60 million, has as many confirmed cases of the Chinese virus as China, with a population of 1.4 billion.
Italy, with it's "state of the art health care system" 2nd in the world according to WHO, has 3 times the fatalities.
Does anyone believe the Chinese numbers?
See rule #4
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Its weird to me how only 2 countries across europe severely have it, when the US is much bigger across but has way more cases. Why arent middle European countries seeing large outbreaks in cases and deaths?
It all just doesnt make any sense to me.
The number of confirmed cases is really a measure of how much testing has been done in each country, assuming honest reporting.
The number of fatalities per population is a better measure, assuming accurate testing and reporting.
The next couple of weeks are going to look very bad but we're doing OK.
New York City and suburbs are a mess because the local leaders told people three weeks ago to go out and party, no worries.
Right. That is what I am basing the severity on. How many are dying solely from just having Corona Virus? All we know is that they say, X # died this morning. (Hate waking up to that every morning, btw) we dont know how many had preexisting conditions or medical inefficiencies. How many were already in the hospital?
For what it's worth. I know this is extremely bad for the economy and people's families in the short run, but I see a lot of positives coming out of this in a few years. America will be much better prepared for anything, it will expand online health services and may help working from home evolve in the workforce. It will clean up the sickness and we will see many less cases of people getting it. (I hope). I am trying to be optimistic about It.
Here is the best study I have seen so far which ran a real test
50% confirmed cases had no symptoms.
The other confirmed 50% show mild cold like symptoms.
And hence many more people are and were infected, but they simply never knew it.
Only a big sample study testing for the antibodies will give us a real picture of what is and has been going on.
Here is the best study I have seen so far which ran a real test
https://futurism.com/neoscope/half-coronavirus-carriers-no-symptoms
Summation.
Iceland population 364,000
12,615 random people tested.
802 confirmed cases.
50% confirmed cases had no symptoms.
The other confirmed 50% show mild cold like symptoms.
This is a fair indicator that in the USA the positive test are only confirming the tip of the ice burg. And hence many more people are and were infected, but they simply never knew it.
Only a big sample study testing for the antibodies will give us a real picture of what is and has been going on.
HiTech
But no tests are issued unless you have a fever or deathly sick. So if thats all I get between now and the end of the year and no other symptoms, do I assume that I contracted it and it was mild enough that it didnt affect me, or was I lucky and was a passing bug and not covid-19?
Here is the best study I have seen so far which ran a real test
https://futurism.com/neoscope/half-coronavirus-carriers-no-symptoms
Summation.
Iceland population 364,000
12,615 random people tested.
802 confirmed cases.
50% confirmed cases had no symptoms.
The other confirmed 50% show mild cold like symptoms.
This is a fair indicator that in the USA the positive test are only confirming the tip of the ice burg. And hence many more people are and were infected, but they simply never knew it.
Only a big sample study testing for the antibodies will give us a real picture of what is and has been going on.
HiTech
See rule #14
ww2 was too long ago.
maybe quote middle east wars last 20 years.
semp
The $4.8 trillion (in 2020 dollars) spent on WWII resulted in:
141 aircraft carriers
8 battleships
48 cruisers
349 destroyers
498 escorts
203 submarines
34 million tonnes of merchant ships
35,000 heavy bombers
62,000 light-medium bombers
100,000 fighter planes
2 million trucks
12 million rifles
2.8 million machine guns
2 million sub-machine guns
260,000 artillery guns
88,000 tanks
As well as huge amounts of raw materials, fuel, oil, food, supplies, etc.
Just curious...
What was the cost of WWII relative to 1944 GDP vs this $4tn relative to our $20.58tn GDP today?
And it seems its looking for stupid people, those not observing 6 ft. Might end up being a better world afterall.
Anyway, $4 trillion is *a lot*. You and I can use whatever standard metric we want to compare it to other things.
Another interesting way to compare the Kung Flu, vs WW2..
In approximate numbers..
Kung Flu
US 2000+ Dead..
World wide ????
Tarawa
US 1000 Dead..
2100 Wounded..
IJ 4500 Dead..
D/Day
US 2000 Dead..
UK 2000 Dead..
Well, how long for the USA death toll to go from 1000 to 2000???
About 2 days, and it's pickin up speed.. Was 2, now 13 cases in our AO..
We're on the Highway to Hell, :devil
My sons and I were out walking the perimeter, topic of
conversation, what the world will look like when this is over???
So how does it work if you are over 6ft tall? do you have to leave 12ft space?
Be safe,wash your hands and face.
:salute
Note New York city is almost half that alone.
Texas has 34 deaths as of today. Still more folks (dying) on the road daily.
You're basing your stats as if this is over.
Wait until it's over and get back to us.
Obfuscation.
ob·fus·ca·tion
/ˌäbfəˈskāSH(ə)n/
noun
the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
Spurious correlation (<- click me for more examples) (https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)
Sorry you do not understand my post. Try google.
It's times like these that we should whip out the credit card and throw money around.
. . .
My problem is that they keep throwing money around when times are good and the economy cooking. That's when you should pay off the credit card.
That's what Keynsians believe:
Dying of complications due to the Corona virus is to dying in a car crash like U.S. spending on science space and technology is to suicides by hanging, strangulation and suffocation. (You didn't bother clicking the link last time so why should I expect it this time?) (https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)Dead is dead. Many people have had corona and not died. Some people have had corona and died. So?
Dead is dead. Many people have had corona and not died. Some people have had corona and died. So?
So you think we should have fought WWII without raising the military budget above 1941 levels?
Of course not. And neither would Austrians.
There is a difference between an event outside of economics that you need to respond to (like a war or an epidemic)
Some money is needed to deal with SARS-2. But of $4 trillion, only a smaller portion is going to be used for SARS-2. Most of it will go to companies that have problems because, long before there was SARS-CoV-2, they packed themselves to the gills with bad debt.
As soon as we get a vaccine, by all means, legislate changes to how we allow companies to operate in this country. I'll sign your petition.
You are talking like it WILL be over. It is another flu. It may stay and we live with it.
I have no idea if any Doctors or Nurses play our game... or maybe you have one of these professionals in your life. But in the same way we thank Military Service men and women for their service, it's time that we all pay tribute to the medical experts for their courage and dedication.
Once the they stop eating bats, it'll be wiped away from human populations. So rest assured. :old:
It was obvious this would happen from how it initially spread that it was not containable.
The sad part is the moronic behavior and denial that helped propagate the virus.
You talk of the daily loss of lives in car accidents to downplay the lives lost, so far, to the corona virus. A car ran through our apartment a week and a half ago (thankfully no one was hurt). None of us had to be inoculated against 'car wreck' and the odds of any of us catching 'car wreck' as a result of that accident is slim .... because a car wreck is an accident and not a highly contagious and deadly disease. (Edited out the unnecessary last bit .... well, and first bit. After all, we're all in this together.) :cheers:
The spike will be over at some point and it will become as common as the flu once everybody has built up immunity from either a vaccine or having had it.Agreed as it does every time.... swine flu and such.
It's the huge spike in cases that does the damage..........not the trickle we get from the flu.
It's because coronavirus is new.
I knew how this would go back in january and it's now starting to explode.
Once the they stop eating bats, it'll be wiped away from human populations. So rest assured. :old:
My fiance is a nurse testing specializing in testing for coronavirus.
I studied molecular biology and aviation in college and worked a level 3 containment on projects overseen by Robert Gallo. I've also self studied epidemiology pretty heavily since 1994.
It was obvious this would happen from how it initially spread that it was not containable.
The sad part is the moronic behavior and denial that helped propagate the virus.
as if we don't eat weird stuff.
semp
I'm in favor of less market manipulation, not more. I'm for free markets; no bailouts (bailouts are the opposite of free markets); no market manipulation by the Fed.
After this is over we should reform a lot of stuff. But for the moment, it is a time for practical common-sense not ideological Wahhabism.
Just as many do every flu season.
People can't catch the virus from eating it. The Ph of stomach acid would destroy it. Amazing to me that when obesity is a major killer in America, that we would see fit to criticize another culture for their choice of diet.
Is the COVID-19 virus found in feces?
The virus that causes COVID-19 has been detected in the feces of some patients diagnosed with COVID-19. The amount of virus released from the body (shed) in stool, how long the virus is shed, and whether the virus in stool is infectious are not known.
The risk of transmission of COVID-19 from the feces of an infected person is also unknown. However, the risk is expected to be low based on data from previous outbreaks of related coronaviruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). There have been no reports of fecal-oral transmission of COVID-19 to date.
People can't catch the virus from eating it. The Ph of stomach acid would destroy it. Amazing to me that when obesity is a major killer in America, that we would see fit to criticize another culture for their choice of diet.
I'm in favor of less market manipulation, not more. I'm for free markets; no bailouts (bailouts are the opposite of free markets); no market manipulation by the Fed.
My fiance is a nurse testing specializing in testing for coronavirus.
I studied molecular biology and aviation in college and worked a level 3 containment on projects overseen by Robert Gallo. I've also self studied epidemiology pretty heavily since 1994.
It was obvious this would happen from how it initially spread that it was not containable.
The sad part is the moronic behavior and denial that helped propagate the virus.
Once the they stop eating bats, it'll be wiped away from human populations. So rest assured. :old:
Those days are long gone...at least since 08
I think so, too.
No, it started way before that.
At least since late 90's when Greenspan lowered interest rates to goose the economy leading to excessive risk-taking resulting in the the Tech Bust.
Probably as far back as Nixon taking us off the Gold Standard.
No, it started way before that.
At least since late 90's when Greenspan lowered interest rates to goose the economy leading to excessive risk-taking resulting in the the Tech Bust.
Probably as far back as Nixon taking us off the Gold Standard.
I have shortness of breath. My lungs hurt, badly. I have a dry cough. It feels like someone is burning my lungs with a lighter. I don't have a fever. I'm not weak. No sore joints. And, this is late March, typical late cold/flu, early allergy season - so typical late March/normal spring for me.
My government is refusing to test us because we don't require hospitalization. However, these same government morons don't understand that I need to get groceries. I need to get gas. I need to drop off recycling. And if I'm infected, I could potentially infect everyone at all those business locations. I could be just having my typical spring allergies, or I could be part of the asymptomatic COVID-19 infected, and I'm out there infecting the fruck out of everyone in my tiny community.
I'm in quasi self-isolation with my family as my wife is in self isolation.
I have shortness of breath. My lungs hurt, badly. I have a dry cough. It feels like someone is burning my lungs with a lighter. I don't have a fever. I'm not weak. No sore joints. And, this is late March, typical late cold/flu, early allergy season - so typical late March/normal spring for me.
And while I'm on the subject. Why the hell are we giving billions to Ukraine and dozens of other countries but cant even give it to ourselves in a real time of need?
Because aid doesn't work that way. If Ukraine could afford to arm itself against Russia, it would. Other countries in need (for various reasons), as well. Aid isn't like 'we give you billions this month - you give us billions next month.'
No, it started way before that.
I think he means if we don't have the money for our own country why in the heck do we borrow/ print it for others at the further detriment of ourselves?
China won this one with out firing a shot
All of our "allies" cannot help us nor them us
Eagler
Just a personal update.
I think he means if we don't have the money for our own country why in the heck do we borrow/ print it for others at the further detriment of ourselves?
True -- it's just particularly huge post 2008.
Just a personal update.
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And that's the challenge here - if you don't test EVERYONE, you are guessing that the population won't restart the community transmission. And in North America, the new test standards is for essential workers and those who show up with severe symptoms at their local hospitals, after they get there using an Uber. Costs too much to test everyone.
It's ALL about $$$. Always.
Leverage.
It comes in handy when we want to ask a country to allow us to put a base or a listening station somewhere.
And it drives me crazy when people with a child-like view of the word throw a fit about us spending all this money on bases around the world to protect others. :rofl
We have those bases not to protect others, but so we have the capability to project power anywhere in the world we need to on short notice. Otherwise we'd have to fly every mission from Kansas. It's mostly for our benefit, not theirs.
A detailed analysis of the virus’s structure shows that the club-like “spikes” that it uses to establish infections latch on to human cells about four times more strongly than those on the related Sars coronavirus, which killed hundreds of people in a 2002 epidemic.
“We know that the Covid-19-causing coronavirus, Sars-CoV-2, behaves very differently to its relative Sars,” said Jonathan Ball, a professor of virology at Nottingham University, who was not involved in the study. “In particular, Sars-Cov-2 efficiently infects the throat and the nose, causing mild cold-like symptoms, whereas Sars almost always replicated in the lungs.
But god forbid we protect own borders with our military and walls that are cheaper and more effective in the long run.
You're not very bright, are you?
When we decided we wanted to drop a bomb on Gaddafi, it was sure a lot easier to fly from Aviano,Italy than if we had to fly from Kansas.
:rofl
Walls are going to be our defense, huh? Sounds like a Maginot Line. :rofl
You're not very bright, are you?
Understatement. Descriptive of the average Qanon fanatic (who apparently expect an apology from everyone that doesn't take them seriously sometime in the future).
Not sure what this is supposed to mean Shuff? Stand 12 ft away or wash your hands and face?
I was just trying to inject some humour.Oh and I was wrong before,not everyone pays a little some dont pay a thing but still get the healthcare they deserve.
:salute
Says the idiot that wants to turn America into San Francisco....
So me wanting to have military bases around the world from which we can project force as our interests dictate, is me wanting to turn America into San Francisco?
Are you even self-aware enough to realize how much you are embarrassing yourself?
Go back to the DailyStormer, DmonSlyr. We're done laughing at you here.
Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant. Rant.
We're laughing at you DmonSlyr. Just laughing.
Thanks for proving you are the child.
NEXT!
Thanks for proving you are the child.
NEXT!
The cesspool in San Francisco was made by and supported by kalifornia.
But god forbid we protect own borders with our military and walls that are cheaper and more effective in the long run.
This guy wants to save the entire world while his own country gets infiltrated and abused.
Pot calling the kettle black if I ever seen it.
Says the idiot that wants to turn America into San Francisco....
I've seen you go Qanon on us all (evidenced) and I make fun of it .... so, of course, you gotta make up something about me (not evidenced) because you're butthurt. :D
America has survived and thrived for all of it's history by living with it's neighbors. Sometimes those countries need help and sometimes we do (just like a neighborhood, you help you neighbors)
If I remember grade school right, you're wanting us to live in splendid isolation. That's a non starter but glad to see you're still neck deep in TDS (I think that's the term described by the buffoons who watch nothing but entertainment news channel)
in the meantime, I suggest you contact your lizard god Zorp and see if he'll let you rocket off into space and live on one of his planets.
... our dollar is only worth around 70 cents.
:salute
Im sorry you lack the mental capability of understanding military intelligence operations. Either that, or you are scared (or paid off) like the rest of them, that your cronies are going to be exposed like never before, and therefore you are here to damage control and fight the narrative.
This is getting fun. Tell me more about me that you imagine, Qanon dude. :D
You are so right Arlo. It gets so farfetched... keeping all these bad guys organized must take one heck of a spreadsheet.
I think its just repeating what others in his cult post on their Q boards and just randomly applying it to anyone that doesn't drink the Q-laide. :old:
You are so right Arlo. It gets so farfetched... keeping all these bad guys organized must take one heck of a spreadsheet.
It must be a 'military intelligence operation' run by Q-heads that didn't enlist in the military for 'a reason.' :cool:
Now come on. You didn't seriously use the word "intelligence" while talking about Q-heads did you?
I'm so sick of retards spending money we dont have, on countries who dont give a rip about us,
The cesspool in San Francisco was made by and supported by kalifornia. At least the last I checked. They like it that way as they never choose to change it.
I finally figured out why there has been a recent run on guns and ammo.
People want to guard all their toilet paper.
HiTech
I'm waiting for one our illustrious intelligence agencies to tell me exactly who it is. Until then, you are just as wrong as me.
Read the last few drops for yourself.
https://qmap.pub/
We've never seen anything like this before. Q is going on for 2 and 1/2 years and no one has exposed who it is, nor have they doxxed themselves. All MSM can do is write hit peices about it, which proves they are corrupt and hate America.
I finally figured out why there has been a recent run on guns and ammo.
People want to guard all their toilet paper.
HiTech
So true, I was limited to only 4 rolls at the super market this weekend. And it was those super thin types you get in porter potties... ughhh
I finally figured out why there has been a recent run on guns and ammo.
People want to guard all their toilet paper.
HiTech
I finally figured out why there has been a recent run on guns and ammo.
People want to guard all their toilet paper.
HiTech
when was the last time you were in San Francisco? or California? are we perfect? hell no, but neither is most of the states that complain about us.
as an example Georgia, they love to complain how we should get kicked out of the union. but they don't even know that 40% of their budget comes from federal money, in other words, California and other states they love to complain about.
and don't give me that crap about states taxes, if i was to move there, my taxes would double. and I'm not even working.
semp
The last time I was in.kalifornia was in the late 60s.
Friend and his family were there about 6 months back. He said what you see on TV is just a drop in the bucket. He said roads were blocked off for homeless. He said it was so bad that they will not be going back. His words not mine.
However bad it might be for some cities these days, it can get a lot worse.
I lived in the LA area for about 12 years and the San Francisco area for a few years, then moved to the Seattle area in 2000. I liked aspects of LA and loved San Francisco, but for tax and expense reasons moved out of California. I've been back to LA and SF multiple times since then.
All three of those areas have gotten significantly worse in the last 20 years, by what I see, in homelessness; crime; and trash, drug paraphernalia, and human waste on sidewalks and streets. Seattle is doing its best to follow San Francisco's lead.
I grew up near Detroit. Interestingly, Detroit seems to have hit bottom around 2010 after half a century of decline, and is on a little bit of an upswing. But it is still post apocalyptic. Americans (unless they live near places like Camden or maybe bad areas of Baltimore) have no idea.
A few Detroit stories.
When I lived in California, and my parents lived near Detroit, I would go back for Christmas. One one visit back in the late 1980's, a Northwest Airlines flight took off with incorrect flaps set, hit an overpass right after takeoff, crashed, and killed everyone. It didn't get far from Detroit Metro, but (according to the news cast I watched that night) before emergency crews got there, people were already looting the dead bodies.
Another Christmas vacation, I went back to visit with my girlfriend (now wife). She, I, and my parents went to Trapper's Alley in Greektown, which was very nice and fun, and safe because it is heavily patrolled all around its perimeter and interior. The People Mover (an elevated little rail system that makes a circuit around downtown Detroit, the result of one of the usual boondoggle projects that downtrodden cities do from time to time) had a station in Trapper's Alley. My wife wanted to go on the People Mover. My parents and I were nervous about that, as it went outside of Trapper's Alley. She (from LA) was incredulous and pushed for going. We did the little circuit. It was around 5:30 pm on a non-holiday weekday -- rush-hour time for most cities -- and as we rode around the heart of Detroit, the streets were mostly deserted. After we got home and were watching TV, the nightly news reported that the People Mover had been stopped and locked down later that night because someone had been shot on it, and the police wanted to keep the perpetrator from fleeing.
Another vacation to Detroit in early 2000's, we went to the Red Bull Air Races in Detroit, near the Renaissance Center. The air races were great! It was a summer weekend mid day with lots of people around. We took a little walk around the Ren Cen. The Ren Cen is a fancy, impressive building -- the headquarters of GM -- but within one block of the Ren Cen, there were already abandoned, burned-out rows of shops.
In 2012, I read a news article from one of the SF papers: "The Cheapest House in San Francisco". For half a $million, you could get a tiny, rickety shack surrounded by a chain-link fence. For laughs, I decided to see what $500k would buy in Detroit, and looked at various listings. $500k would buy a 5000 sq. ft. gorgeous mansion on large, grassy, treed grounds, all encircled by grand privacy hedges and wrought-iron walls. $250k would buy a 4000 sq. ft. mansion that looked like a castle, but only a large lot, no wrought-iron-enclosed compound. I went all the way down to $50k. $50k would buy a beautiful Tudor-style house, normal sized on a beautiful normal-sized treed lot.
However bad it might be for some cities these days, it can get a lot worse.
i call bs to friends and family. i was in San fransisco last August, did i see homeless? i did. -snip-
They're not homeless. They're drug addicts. Thus the needles.
Watch out..
LE, reporting snatch and grab robberies in Grocery Store parking lots.. For Groceries..
Easy marks, Women, Elderly, are set up by multiple people working as teams..
Bum Rush tactics.. Grab the stuff out of their carts, and whatever else they can get..
Had to start sooner or later..
Do you think that's typical Semp? Homeless people, not doing drugs, and making 50k a year?
Or would that be the exception?
That was my opinion early on, but I have been convinced that was in error in this case.
Usually, contamination for droplets on surfaces through your hands was by far the highest risk vector.
But this sucker is often airborne. They are finding it could stay suspended for quite some time and be carried through ventilation systems.
And even a homemade mask from everyday materials can filter out at least 50% of virus sized particles:
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/ (https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/)
Don't neglect your hands, but we need to be thinking about masks too.
My apologies for arguing the opposite earlier.
:salute
They're not homeless. They're drug addicts. Thus the needles.
If your significant other is infected and you wake up with her snoring into your face, you could have acquired a massive initial infection and end up fighting for your life.
Would you rather start out with a 10,000 viral cells as your initial dose or a few billion?
Snoring can also loose the virus from where it collects in the back of one's throat and you then aspirate it into your lungs.......which is where you really don't want it to go.
Women and children snore significantly less than men and the processes above could explain some of the difference between critical cases of men, women, and children.
The process men use to "work up a good loogie" can do the same thing.
Vigorous exercise while infected can do the same thing.
If you're infected, keep the velocity of the air you are breathing to a minimum while battle the virus.
You will see the experts saying this soon enough but it seems to have been overlooked by most of them even though these are very simple mechanisms of transporting the virus to where you least want it.
nope to all. mine was different. but i have seen people making 50k living in a garage that don't have drug or alcohol problems.
while there's a higher rate if drug use among homeless, they typically don't use needles, more like speed and crack cocaine.
btw i think based on what I've seen, it's not drugs that make majority of people homeless. it's mental health. it also runs high on homeless people.
i used to help a group that would go find homeless vets and help them to find food and a place to stay. while some had a drug problem, it started after they became homeless, mental illness was top cause.
most didn't or couldn't get help. that's reality.
i quit volunteering because it takes a toll on you. it's frustrating.
you guys want to see how homeless life is, volunteer at a soup kitchen.
semp
I think the "fix _ printing money non stop" for the economic crash caused by the virus will result in just that.
We got a My Pillow. Surprisingly it has greatly reduced the snoring between my wife and I.
I just want to know why the problem is expanding rather than contracting. Why is "mental health" and laziness expanding. Why are more people able to find hard drugs easier which puts them in homelessness? Why are vets being left on the streets while politicians get retirement pensions after 5 years of service?
I blame it all on high taxes and a failure of government officials, along with the hollywood culture of sex drugs and violence, along with a news organization that promotes fear, depression, death, and uncertainty.
Like I said before, until people realize their government is taking advantage of them and selling out their society while using those poor souls to raise taxes. It will only get worse. That's what has been seen in Portland, Seattle, and San Fran.
nope to all. mine was different. but i have seen people making 50k living in a garage that don't have drug or alcohol problems.
while there's a higher rate if drug use among homeless, they typically don't use needles, more like speed and crack cocaine.
btw i think based on what I've seen, it's not drugs that make majority of people homeless. it's mental health. it also runs high on homeless people.
i used to help a group that would go find homeless vets and help them to find food and a place to stay. while some had a drug problem, it started after they became homeless, mental illness was top cause.
most didn't or couldn't get help. that's reality.
i quit volunteering because it takes a toll on you. it's frustrating.
you guys want to see how homeless life is, volunteer at a soup kitchen.
semp
...and Dairy Queen hasn't brought back my butterscotch milk shake.
only way my pillow reduces snoring is if she duck tapes it ti your mouth.
and again it shows you don't know what you talking about.
mental health is more because we have more people and mental health is not a priority.
I'm bipolar and no vaccines didn't cause it, family tree did. i was able to live a successful life despite if it, I'm not unique, many have. all 3 of my kids have it but they learned about it while young. my grandkids will probably have it too. see how that works? more people, more cases.
semp
So lets just make it a sanctuary city and allow more poor immigrants from Mexico and south america to flood the population so that the mental crisis continues to expand! Oh and let's give them handouts so they take the money that would be used for mental health and send it back to Mexico while they work under the table and dont pay taxes. YAY for smart policies. :O
Why is it that California, especially San Fran, have such a higher rate of mental illness than any other state?
Why is it that Seattle and Portland have higher rates of mental illness than most other states?
Why do they keep raising taxes telling me they are going to solve problems, but the problems get worse and worse?
I agree about mental illness being a major factor but some of that is caused by drug abuse.
I also think most of the needles I see in the street are from diabetics.
most diabetics use injection devices instead of needles.
drug users keep their needles, they aren't single use. while you can find them discarded, i don't think it's all over the place.
fun fact, casinos around here have boxes in bathrooms to dispose if syringes.
semp
We got a My Pillow. Surprisingly it has greatly reduced the snoring between my wife and me.
most diabetics use injection devices instead of needles.
drug users keep their needles, they aren't single use. while you can find them discarded, i don't think it's all over the place.
fun fact, casinos around here have boxes in bathrooms to dispose if syringes.
semp
i call bs to friends and family. i was in San fransisco last August, did i see homeless? i did. did i see poop all over the place, no. does it happen, yes, is it all over the place? no. are sidewalls closed due to people sleeping there, maybe, is it all over the place, no. are the streets closed? no that i saw.
same for Los angels, there's a district called skid row, homeless congregate there, they clean it up once in a while, but they come back. is it all over the place? no. skid row isn't exactly in the tourist places.
just like the city i live in. fridays we would go to the moose lodge and buy left over diners. walk to another bar and give it the homeless we found, probably 6 or 7.
cesspool? yeah i agree some places are, and i don't go there, but it's just like in every city in the country.
btw, San Francisco is a boring tourist attraction, other than Alcatraz, muir woods, Chinese district and fisherman's wharf, there isn't anything else, and you can do all of that in 2 days. if you can stand there cold during the summer.
semp
What alternative would you suggest in the current situation?
The virus is not a normal market force...
2. Ignore the problem and let it all slide into the chasm.
:salute
They're not homeless. They're drug addicts. Thus the needles.And most always depicted as ptsd ridden Vietnam Vets with a cardboard sign. See them at parking lot entrances all over. Some look in their 30's, 40's and 50's and probably don't even know where Vietnam is much less actually when the war was as most weren't born before it ended.
Call it what you want..... his words................. I believe him.
ok dude, please tell me which department hands out free money to illegal aliens. cause I'm pretty sure i can pass for one and I want free money too.
and again California has more mental illness than let's say any state in the south is because we have more people.
and i have no idea why that keep taxing you more on your home. i don't know where you live, but you do. so do something about it if it bothers you instead if asking us ti fix it.
semp
You are clearly isolated and out of touch.
No I am clearly not.
Once the Somali and Lybian gangs start up (which have in Minnesota), you will be very sorry.
No I am clearly not.
Once the Somali and Lybian gangs start up (which have in Minnesota), you will be very sorry.
Meh. Minnesota white supremacists are a bigger threat and you're apparently not sorry about that. :aok
(https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AP_18074005764508-866x675.jpg)
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/hate-report-get-to-know-the-three-percenters/ (https://www.revealnews.org/blog/hate-report-get-to-know-the-three-percenters/)
(Your response will likely be a combination of denial, misdirection, accusation of imaginary evils inspired by your own general ignorance combined with that of your conspiracy websites. Because .... 'Murica.') :D
They said the same thing about the Vietnamese refugees when they moved to Portland. They faced the same rhetoric you spew. They started their gangs, and now those guys are all grown up and where are they now? Integrated productive "American" citizens. BTW there are Somalis here in Portland, where are their gangs?
You run around so scared of "The Big Bad Boogey Man & What If's". . . . . it would be entertaining if it wasn't so disturbing.
Probably fake. Guy was born on 3/3 LOL. Must be a devil reincarnated. Arrested on 7/7. Interesting. White supremacists are also left wing and are funded by Democrats. It's part of the divide and conquer strategy committed by the Confederate Freemasons just like the KKK was. You will never admit the truth because you want to damage the US with terrible sellout policies that put americans in danger and promote it thru a corrupt media.
Called it in one. :aok
I don't agree with any "refugees" coming to America. It's not our responsibility to pay for them.
Portland has turned into a trash dump because of idiotic policies. Portland cannot afford refugees nor can afford manufactured immigration. Why is over crowding a city that's already over crowded and over priced a good thing?
Oh and vietnamese at least have a strong work ethic. But let's just resettle the whole world here. It would be great. Then no other country will have a corrupt government any more. Great idea!
I didn't realize "Work Ethic" was "Ethnic" related. Cuz I see many more Americans than ethnic homeless on the Portland Streets. . . . .lol
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Please provide me one article of the MSM calling white nationalism a problem before 2001.
(I am) promoting a propaganda campaign.
Syserror imagine trying to clean a bunch of grapes.
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But as the pandemic continues to spread across the globe, there is still not a single Trilogy Evo Universal in the stockpile.
...
An HHS spokeswoman told ProPublica that Philips had agreed to make the Trilogy Evo Universal ventilator “as soon as possible.” However, a Philips spokesman said the company has no plan to even begin production anytime this year.
Instead, Philips is negotiating with a White House team led by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to build 43,000 more complex and expensive hospital ventilators for Americans stricken by the virus.