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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: captain1ma on May 18, 2020, 05:01:35 PM
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Monday Night Madness
8pm EST in the AVA arena
*** Tonight only--No Turny Planes ***
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Monday Night madness is like going to your favorite bar! its fun, its exciting
all your friends are there, and everyone talked to each other!
We use all midwar planes only. some are easy mode, some are not.
join us for Monday Night Madness in the AVA starting at 8pm EST.
every week there are more and more players coming to check this out!
Pilots are trying to fly in the fog, between buildings,
all the while checking your 6, gets very very intense. plane parts flying everywhere!!
If you're not that good, don't worry about it. we'll help you get better.
It"s great for training, for situational awareness and how
to become a better pilot. it will help you whip some butt in the MA! you wont be sorry.
Hot pilot to beat this week is FBTrev95, for being the best pilot in Monday night madness last week!
come in and see if you can take that title from him! he's almost very good!
vox is 223
Ack--21X
Ceiling 4k
friendly icons 3K
enemy icons 1K
see you tonight at 8pm! <S>
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No turn planes he says. Hurricane 2 can turn as well as a corsair with flaps. And enabling a FM2 and Zeroes? Real fun
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No turn planes he says. Hurricane 2 can turn as well as a corsair with flaps. And enabling a FM2 and Zeroes? Real fun
His quote is this: "We use all midwar planes only. some are easy mode, some are not."
Up to you which you pick. But the description is accurate.
- oldman
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I missed tonight dang it.
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Good fun again
Thanks!
Eagler
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No turn planes he says. Hurricane 2 can turn as well as a corsair with flaps. And enabling a FM2 and Zeroes? Real fun
LNG, I had a real fun time last night and I am at a loss how you can only complain the entire time you are in the arena and now on the boards. This might seem harsh to you but it is the truth, here is an old saying:
Whine snivel pisss and moan if you don’t wanna be here go on home.
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Any relatively large plane set will have a handful of aircraft that dominate the low speed turn fight and another that dominate the fast, slashing fight. If you eliminate the two most low speed maneuverable planes in the set, then the next two most maneuverable just take their place. If all the planes were exactly matched and required the same tactics, the game would be boring. The Oscar and Brewster are the two most heavily used "turny" planes in MNM and they weren't available. That changed the fight dynamics considerably. MNM is designed to be an extremely high threat environment intended to push the pilots SA, gunnery, tactics and flying skills to the limit with a minimum amount of drama. So try going with the flow instead of against it.
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I missed spreading parts around last night. Hope the excess parts from last week sufficed. :rofl
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LNG, I had a real fun time last night and I am at a loss how you can only complain the entire time you are in the arena and now on the boards. This might seem harsh to you but it is the truth, here is an old saying:
Whine snivel pisss and moan if you don’t wanna be here go on home.
I understand SNO where you are coming from but this is what killed me last night on there. When it was mentioned of Mid War planes and not turny planes I was hoping for some good P-47 flying and yet it seemed that even if I could catch a break it still didn't work out. What didn't help either is with how high you can only go up. Just up to 4K, and I understand turn fights or scissor fights, but I try to fly the aircraft in there as historically accurate as can be and I know the fighters like the wildcat and corsair and the thunderbolt were used in those roles. It pissed me off because it seemed even if I built up speed it felt like with fighters like the hurricane 2s could keep up and I was weping like a MFer. And I remember the old AVA had a setup where would could fly the historical aircraft on the historical maps. But the map for me isn't really my cup of tea, and thats why I fly scenario or FSO because the experience of flying a long mission and getting those moments of excitement or fright makes it more realistic in my opinion and the flight setup is more to it as well, but it just doesn't work in my play style that's the issue. Thats why I go with MA most times and sometimes I have bad days which yesterday was, and I have amazing 1v1s with good pilots like I had a good engagement one time with svaal in a 109K4 while I was flying an F4. That's the way I like to fly, get some time to setup my approach and fly historically correct, I am not trying to sound like a picker. I just want to have a more realistic approach on AVA. I hope you understand where I am coming from.
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I do understand where you are coming from, the plane set wasn’t what you expected. So no turny planes is what,? only jugs? LilMak will blow that claim, F4U? Rudboi will blow that claim, 109’s need to be able to fight up, Eagler will show you different and the list goes on. Point being the plane set is what it is, find a ride that you like and fits the environment and have some fun for crying out loud! If you have a plane set you think “everyone could enjoy” mention it and maybe we could give it a go, I will tell you your present approach isn’t working.
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With a 4k ceiling you cannot " historically" fly any aircraft in MNM especially anything that does not turn as their boom and zoom required more alt than 4k
Get in a spit 9 like the rest / most of them and have fun
If it is not a <S> on the radio, don't send it
<S>
Eagler
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I fly the 38J all the time and have a blast. Everyone knows who the 38 is and comes after me..... turny planes and all.
Leave your ego at the door and you will have fun. I purposely make my self a target and have a blast.
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Leave your ego at the door and you will have fun.
True this. MNM certainly does not pretend to be an historical experience. But it's a lot of fun once you get used to the concept.
- oldman (proudly serving as everyone's target)
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Monday Night Madness is meant to be a nightmare furball. It improves flying skills, SA, and aim very quickly if you can stay with it.
It is not one of the weekly Axis vs Allied setups as those have seen almost no attendance with the low numbers in the game the last year or so. Maybe that will change, as the numbers are coming back up.
:cheers:
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No turn planes he says. Hurricane 2 can turn as well as a corsair with flaps. And enabling a FM2 and Zeroes? Real fun
No turny planes meant no b-239, no I-16 and no ki-43. If you're not killing everyone you're not happy. My job is to make it fun for EVERYONE, no matter how good they are. Maybe you should have more of an encouragement attitude, rather then the "me,me,me" attidude.
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Aww crap. I finished work early and with no wife-ack, I thought I would get in and fly tonight in MNM. But it's Tuesday, and yesterday was holiday Monday. Dang it!
On well, I'll try for next week... :x
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Aww crap. I finished work early and with no wife-ack, I thought I would get in and fly tonight in MNM. But it's Tuesday, and yesterday was holiday Monday. Dang it!
On well, I'll try for next week... :x
I didn't make this week either but I will drink a frozen margarita in your honor.
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I didn't make this week either but I will drink a frozen margarita in your honor.
Seems to me that if Fork didn't make it, and Shuffler didn't make it...well...that's two who didn't make it. So...shouldn't there be two makeup margaritas...? Each?
- oldman (just trying to be helpful)
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Seems to me that if Fork didn't make it, and Shuffler didn't make it...well...that's two who didn't make it. So...shouldn't there be two makeup margaritas...? Each?
- oldman (just trying to be helpful)
I am drinking one frozen margarita in his honor and the rest of the blender in mine. :D
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Monday Night Madness is meant to be a nightmare furball. It improves flying skills, SA, and aim very quickly if you can stay with it.
This. All of this. The bolded part twice. It is not meant to be a recreation of the little known but highly important historical Battle of the Valley of the Black Monoliths. It's a fun turnfight knife-in-a-phonebook mess on the deck, and it serves that purpose very well.
Wiley.
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Let's just say I have melted quite a bit of frozen margaritas over the whole mess and had a great time doing it. The 38J carcasses laying all over is full proof of that fact. That along with the thick straws, broken crystal mugs and salt.....
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No turny planes meant no b-239, no I-16 and no ki-43. If you're not killing everyone you're not happy. My job is to make it fun for EVERYONE, no matter how good they are. Maybe you should have more of an encouragement attitude, rather then the "me,me,me" attidude.
I try to have one Jaeger but usually after a long day or work or a day off when doing a lot of stuff around the house I want to try to have a good day giving it everything I have to get good kills and decent kill chains, and to have fun. But it gets squashed real quick and my SA can be good and most times its not. Even with SA it feels like my bird whatever I fly is sluggish or even if I can pull a good engagement I just get wrecked. Thats why honestly I go to MA more, and with what Easy said about the old maps not having attendance I actually enjoyed those ones. It gave me a real sense of knowing what its like flying like the real pilots on long missions. I understand AVA is about quickness which I attempt to use and sometimes I win and most times I lose. I honestly would like to see the original AVA with maps like BOB to use for Bombing runs or even English Channel fights or Pacific style ones as well IMHO. I hope you get where I am coming from.
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I honestly would like to see the original AVA with maps like BOB to use for Bombing runs or even English Channel fights or Pacific style ones as well IMHO.
Me, too. And yet, the AvA staff always has run these setups during the week. MNM is actually a departure from that. For a wide variety of reasons (everyone has his own pet theories), people no longer seem as interested in the historical match-ups as they once were.
- oldman
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AVA still runs those during the week..... no one shows. MNM and TN are the only setups making waves right now.
Real shame as the BOB map is a fun one.
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I understand SNO where you are coming from but this is what killed me last night on there. When it was mentioned of Mid War planes and not turny planes I was hoping for some good P-47 flying and yet it seemed that even if I could catch a break it still didn't work out. What didn't help either is with how high you can only go up. Just up to 4K, and I understand turn fights or scissor fights, but I try to fly the aircraft in there as historically accurate as can be and I know the fighters like the wildcat and corsair and the thunderbolt were used in those roles. It pissed me off because it seemed even if I built up speed it felt like with fighters like the hurricane 2s could keep up and I was weping like a MFer. And I remember the old AVA had a setup where would could fly the historical aircraft on the historical maps. But the map for me isn't really my cup of tea, and thats why I fly scenario or FSO because the experience of flying a long mission and getting those moments of excitement or fright makes it more realistic in my opinion and the flight setup is more to it as well, but it just doesn't work in my play style that's the issue. Thats why I go with MA most times and sometimes I have bad days which yesterday was, and I have amazing 1v1s with good pilots like I had a good engagement one time with svaal in a 109K4 while I was flying an F4. That's the way I like to fly, get some time to setup my approach and fly historically correct, I am not trying to sound like a picker. I just want to have a more realistic approach on AVA. I hope you understand where I am coming from.
I try to have one Jaeger but usually after a long day or work or a day off when doing a lot of stuff around the house I want to try to have a good day giving it everything I have to get good kills and decent kill chains, and to have fun. But it gets squashed real quick and my SA can be good and most times its not. Even with SA it feels like my bird whatever I fly is sluggish or even if I can pull a good engagement I just get wrecked. Thats why honestly I go to MA more, and with what Easy said about the old maps not having attendance I actually enjoyed those ones. It gave me a real sense of knowing what its like flying like the real pilots on long missions. I understand AVA is about quickness which I attempt to use and sometimes I win and most times I lose. I honestly would like to see the original AVA with maps like BOB to use for Bombing runs or even English Channel fights or Pacific style ones as well IMHO. I hope you get where I am coming from.
From observation during MNM when you are participating:
1. Continuous talking (pretty much loud all the time) is distracting you from flying
efficiently. BFM/ACM requires concentration and precision to be effective.
2. Doing the same thing over and over, and it not working is frustrating. Frustration further
distracts you. Try something different. If that doesn’t work, try something else different.
If nothing is working to your satisfaction, there’s something fundamentally wrong with
your approach and basic skill set. Watch others, especially those who are successful.
Learn from observation. Seek help from one or more of them outside the arena on a
different day. Improve your skill set beyond excuses and blame.
3. If you are offered help. Take it.
4. Realize that when you are continually talking, frequently loudly, others on the channel
can’t communicate, are getting frustrated, and probably muting you. Ever wonder why
someone doesn’t respond back to you?
5. It’s not about you. It’s about us having fun. If you’re not having fun, you’re doing it
wrong.
6. Many of us miss the days past of large MNM size crowds in the weekly AVA scenario
setups. Numbers attract more numbers. Drag your squadies into the AvA. Start a
trend. It’s the same concept as MNM. Players see a large crowd on Monday nights,
come in, and check it out. Instead of complaining about the lack of participation, try and
do something about it.
7. Do some honest self analysis. Fix yourself. Don’t blame others, the game, or HT. See
#1.
8. HAVE FUN with this game. If you aren’t having FUN and continually expressing your
frustration and anger on the radio, you are affecting other’s fun. If it’s a bad day for you,
and we all have those, do something different. Don’t make it a bad day for others.
Just offering some, hopefully, helpful observations. Remember to have fun. This game is a great distraction from whatever we are all dealing with in the real world.
CHECK SIX!
Puma :salute
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YEAH..... shut up so I can do all the talking... :D
hicup :devil
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ive setup BOB numerous times and the arena remains empty. so I put in matchups and setups that people will like and leave them up for the week or the weekend, depending on when we change the setup. Monday night madness is designed to be close quarters furball with no one getting an advantage. that's the idea. if you cant get your plane to fly the envelope, MNM is designed that way. its to put everyone on equal footing.
LNG what would YOU suggest for Monday night madness? understand you must cater to everyone, not just yourself. you tell me what you would like to see, based on those requirements?
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ive setup BOB numerous times and the arena remains empty. so I put in matchups and setups that people will like and leave them up for the week or the weekend, depending on when we change the setup. Monday night madness is designed to be close quarters furball with no one getting an advantage. that's the idea. if you cant get your plane to fly the envelope, MNM is designed that way. its to put everyone on equal footing.
LNG what would YOU suggest for Monday night madness? understand you must cater to everyone, not just yourself. you tell me what you would like to see, based on those requirements?
What would be a good suggestion would be this. MNM is only about shooting each other down. What if you added another objective into the setup, something like a team deathmatch style kind of like Call Of Duty, but here me out on this. Say if one team reaches such as 50 kills that team win and then switch it to a GV TDM or something like that. And for any player who obtains such as 3 to 5 kills they can up a speech to spot for 60 seconds (excluding take off and landing) Something like that. I know there is vehicle icons in the arena which help but I would honest to god also add if someone gets an AA vehicle they can knock it out as well. I know currently AVA and MNM does have teams but have it as a set up to where to set up teams and whoever is on that team stays on that team and whoever wins switch them around and randomize it. That's my honest opinion Jaeger.
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ok but my problem is most guys come in to fly planes, not GV's. that's why we have a separate night for GV's. the best we could do is have separate planesets and after 10 minutes have everyone switch side. this would be clunky and cause people to leave. the idea behind Monday night madness is mindless furball killing, not really any sort of scoring.
what you're asking is side based king of the hill setup. and switching from planes to GV's is no easy feat either. it involves a second set of tables. not that it cant be done, but rather its clunky. much of what you ask for cant even be done in the Arena's. if you don't believe me, try setting it up in a custom arena. if it wont work in there, it wont work in the AVA.
well I appreciate your idea's none the less and will think about what can be done to make something like that happen. we did at one point have a capture the flag setup, but again most of the guys in Monday night madness are not interested in capturing bases or score, just getting better at flying planes and SA.
Monday night madness does help improve SA all around for most.
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They already switch to even teams. It is very random. People will even fly with me... even though no one ever wants to. :devil
MNM is loose and fast. No time to do your hair and brush your teeth... barely enough time to refill my margarita.
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Fair enough Jaeger. It's good. I probably won't be on MNM much, no fault of anyone but I just don't get good results and usually when I am trying to fly the planes right I have moments where the more realistic flight setup causes me to roll and to crash so much. Thats why I avoid it. No fault of anyone but to my the flight setup as in even at say 200 IAS and I turn or I attempt to get a scissor fight I spin out of control and I can't recover and I crash. That's what gets me.
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well we like having you in there, but sometimes you have to go with the flow. if you plane does weird stuff at certain speeds, figure it out and get better at it. that's the fun part of Monday night madness. why do you think I can out do almost everyone with a KI-43. I figured it out. its also about the only plane I can get a kill in.
sometimes the best part of the game is figuring out what it takes to get better at something. if the plane doesn't handle well at 200, don't get slow. the 190 does a snap roll if you let it get away from you to the right. how do I know? I snap rolled it a million times at slow speed. the fix? drop flaps and used rudder. turns better and you wont snap roll. those are just some of the little intricacies of the game.
the trick is to find them.
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Fair enough Jaeger. It's good. I probably won't be on MNM much, no fault of anyone but I just don't get good results and usually when I am trying to fly the planes right I have moments where the more realistic flight setup causes me to roll and to crash so much. Thats why I avoid it. No fault of anyone but to my the flight setup as in even at say 200 IAS and I turn or I attempt to get a scissor fight I spin out of control and I can't recover and I crash. That's what gets me.
All the more reason to practice.
When I used to train folks in the 38... the first thing I taught them was low and slow. Well before even how to control dive speed and not nose dart. One thing they will always do early... they will try to come in with alt but always end up low and slow. So that is what they need to learn first in my book. Learn to build energy from a deficit. Once they learn that it is easier to teach them how to keep their energy when they own it to begin with.
Practice dancing with your plane of choice in a slow knife fight, it will improve your ability all around. You won't get as concerned about possibly getting too slow... you'll know that you can still fight and come out the victor, not just give up.
I'll add one more thing.... you are not the first, we have all been there. Not one of us started out good or on top. We all started at the bottom. We all work to improve. You are much better than when you started.... it is an on going thing. We all work to improve. Just never forget the main thing we are here for TO HAVE FUN. Don't lose the ability to enjoy what you are doing!
CYA in the AH skies!!
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In my opinion, MNM was always meant to be fun! It also helps a player learn to fly a plane you wouldn't normally fly in the main arenas. The more you can fly, the more rounded and better player you will be.
This is why we set these up. The main thing is to have fun, with getting to know more planes and how other players fight . I have learned more from MNM than anywhere else!
Just my two cents !
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Well yes..... cause I rarely fly the 38... :D
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MNM is great practice for MA
You can have a weeks worth of MA fighting in a hour in MNM
The pilots are above average skill
Best place for fast action going in AH3 theses days
Compare that to the scenario I tried Saturday where I flew around for 3 hours and shot at 4 planes downing one....
2nd and last scenario for me unless they change to minimize boredom
<S>
Eagler
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Scenarios are great in their own way. They are completely different than MNM. Think of scenarios as playing chess against your opponent with breaks for fist fighting.
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Add blindfolded playing on a 100 sq mile chessboard
Eagler