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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on June 03, 2020, 12:54:59 AM
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Since Hitech has opened up new skinning opportunity's it would be nice to see some of the slots be filled by other nationality's other than the country of origin of the maker.
Since the game is International I think it would be good to have at least one skin from every country that used a specific weapon. :old:
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Great idea! Let me add some to the list.
335 and 336 Squadron RHAF (Greece), Hurricane Mk. II and Spitfire Mk. Vc
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/hurri2-jpg.423894/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/greece_aircraft_hurricane_2-jpg.423867/)
(http://i.imgur.com/4XIobgA.jpg)
(http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/greekspit_N.jpg)
(http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/Greek%20Spitfire%20Vb%20N%20ER194%20desert.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/qyM8qr2WuFQqmIIVWcOO-_t9DOjfrJOJ4xVL4EN-BSlHM3_w806DsHS8-3V3gwSopmK9ve58xrqiM5cyzlXXxqdGYtC8xuVDZzO9EROltVQnsOaC2g)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i2OzPtoTGZU/V9m_4zpgv5I/AAAAAAAADkA/xi_y5VkmsvEJxq_KO57NOrXiDz7VbSR3wCEw/s1600/COLOR---FG-D.jpg)
VVKJ 6 Fr 51 Gruppe, Bf 109E-3, Yugoslavia
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/c7/59/9cc7594e512486f7a2746336af041a52.jpg)
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/9/2/0/1091920-33840-25-pristine.jpg)
VVKJ 6 Fr ? Gruppe, Hurricane Mk. I, Yugoslavia
(https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/royal-yugoslav-army-air-force-zrakoplovstvo-vojske-kraljevine-jugoslavije-yugoslavian-hawker-hurricane-mk-1-hariken-3.jpg?w=708)
(https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/royal-yugoslav-army-air-force-zrakoplovstvo-vojske-kraljevine-jugoslavije-yugoslavian-hawker-hurricane-mk-1-hariken-3-6th-squadron-april-1939.jpg?w=899)
(https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/royal-yugoslav-army-air-force-zrakoplovstvo-vojske-kraljevine-jugoslavije-yugoslavian-hawker-hurricane-mk-1-hariken-2.jpg)
(https://www.modelimex.com/files/upload/460/moneys06/KORDEC3216_L.JPG)
(B and C)
ZDNH 2. Lovacko, Jato 1 (Coratia), Bf 109G-10/U-3
(https://preview.redd.it/0n521l55q1r41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=002acb9cf44c89b62f204bf583eb991c95d298cb)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/ca/84/aeca8472ceb79013840cf7fed34e774c.jpg)
(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/Kroat-JG/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-2-Lovacko-Jato-Vladimir-Sandtner-Croatia-16th-Apr-1945-03.jpg)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/croat109g14as-jpg.221645/)
ZDNH 2. Lovacko, Jato 1 (Croatia), Bf 109G-14/AS
(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/Kroat-JG/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-2-Lovacko-Jato-Vladimir-Sandtner-Croatia-16th-Apr-1945-07.jpg)
(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/KORD7298.jpg?t=)
Croatia had Bf 110G's as well, but I cannot find any real photographs of them.
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I plan on doing some Slovak 109's. Probably some Hungarian ones too.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3b/cd/ea/3bcdea7701da68798f13ce70fb60decf.jpg)
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All good examples. :aok
SAAF 5TH Squadron P-51D.
(https://i.imgur.com/8rOku6Hh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WWfMV83h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BaItLxdh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q2cLmbZh.jpg)
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CACW P-51D "My Patsy"
Profile is not the same plane shows the polkadots.
(https://i.imgur.com/3gjDy41h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wyryPSh.jpg)
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CACW P-51D "My Patsy"
Profile is not the same plane shows the polkadots.
(https://i.imgur.com/3gjDy41h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wyryPSh.jpg)
Translated a Chinese site.
Looks like the P-51B is also a CACW candidate that can be done.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D368%26t%3D5213955%26p%3D2
For what its worth a Chinese aircraft Facebook page confirms it.
(https://i.imgur.com/RIVwKQ8h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ARPpoiBh.jpg)
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What's the word on Swiss 109's?
I seem to remember reading that they are not allowed since the Swiss were neutral the skins are not allowed even though their 109's shot down both Allied and Axis planes defending their borders from incursions.
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Good question wasn't most of their planes captured as well?
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Good question wasn't most of their planes captured as well?
They bought their 109E's and they were given their G-6's in exchange for allowing German technicians to recover equipment in a Bf 110G that crash landed in Switzerland.
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Speaking of various rare schemes:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETZJ8o1WsAAOknQ?format=jpg&name=large)
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They bought their 109E's and they were given their G-6's in exchange for allowing German technicians to recover equipment in a Bf 110G that crash landed in Switzerland.
I came across this while poking around, is this accurate?
(https://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/images/articles/swiss-air-force-neutrality-bands-world-war-2.jpg)
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(https://www.swissmustangs.ch/var/m_7/71/71f/28906/9466451-eiwvqTP.w1024.jpg)
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:x
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Sorry but my understanding is that planes from neutral countries in WW2 are not allowed. Years ago I asked Skuzzy about whether a WW2-era Spanish aircraft would be permitted and he said no. That rule will also make Portuguese aircraft a no-go.
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If Confederate Air Force skins are given an exception to appear in AH, then there is precedence for neutral skins being given the same exception. :old:
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I did mention to HT that the CAF skins did not fit the rules for MA inclusion but it is his game and that's what he wants. However unless he tells me otherwise I will not be accepting any neutral skins as I think this is a slippery slope. The rule in question is:- "We will only accept skins that were historically used in World War II." Neutral air forces technically were not "in WW2" even if they did shoot down planes from air forces that were.
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If Confederate Air Force skins are given an exception to appear in AH, then there is precedence for neutral skins being given the same exception. :old:
The former may not be currently enabled in Melee.
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Speaking of various rare schemes:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETZJ8o1WsAAOknQ?format=jpg&name=large)
I'd fly that! :aok
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I did mention to HT that the CAF skins did not fit the rules for MA inclusion but it is his game and that's what he wants. However unless he tells me otherwise I will not be accepting any neutral skins as I think this is a slippery slope. The rule in question is:- "We will only accept skins that were historically used in World War II." Neutral air forces technically were not "in WW2" even if they did shoot down planes from air forces that were.
Perhaps he is not allowing them in the MA. :headscratch:
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I could be wrong but I don't think there is a way of excluding an accepted skin from a specific arena. I'm just saying that "But you accepted the CAF skins!" will not be considered a valid reason for skinners to submit other non-WW2 aircraft for MA use.
To be clear I won't accept:- Pre-war, post-war, training (unless they likely saw combat), unarmed formation ship or recon variants, neutral air forces, prototypes or test planes, captured aircraft or tanks (maybe if used in very large quantities, i.e German T-34s). I'll also not allow skins on variants of the ride that look completely different or have totally different performance to the subject modelled by HTC. These are the rules that Pyro and Skuzzy applied to MA skins in the past so unless HT tells me different, that's what I am sticking to. And yes I am aware of the skins in the game that break these rules and that have have slipped through the net in the past. Personally I would like to delete these from the game but its probably not worth the hassle this would generate.
I'm happy to argue the case for any marginal skin subject though and if the skinner doesn't like like my ruling then I guess they can then take it up with HT. However to avoid frustration I'd suggest that the skinner does all that before creating their skin, not after.
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I'd fly that! :aok
We need the Cheeto!
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Translated a Chinese site.
Looks like the P-51B is also a CACW candidate that can be done.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D368%26t%3D5213955%26p%3D2
For what its worth a Chinese aircraft Facebook page confirms it.
(https://i.imgur.com/RIVwKQ8h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ARPpoiBh.jpg)
Few more.
(https://i.imgur.com/nKYxjYYh.jpg)
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I'm just saying that "But you accepted the CAF skins!" will not be considered a valid reason for skinners to submit other non-WW2 aircraft for MA use.
Unfortunately it is a valid reason because once/if/when the CAF skins get into the game despite breaking all the mentioned skinning inclusion rules, these "rules" become utterly meaningless hollow words, essentially leaving the only response to deny any skin; "Why? because I said so".
The "rules" are outmoded and probably should be modified to "only if operational in squadron strength between 1936-1945, this rule sponsored by CAF" or some such.
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The problem is if you allow other non-WW2 skins where do you draw the line? The Luftwaffe's Spanish Civil War aircraft generally performed far worse than their WW2 variants and were often different in appearance too. Do you allow post-war schemes or Korean War schemes? The CAF aircraft don't look too out of place in a WW2 setting bar the logos and the lack of weathering but many other modern warbirds have horribly bright, glossy, unrealistic colours and schemes that are nothing like their WW2 equivalents.
To me this is just a slippery slope I do not want to get on. So until HT tells me otherwise I'll continue to base my judgement for what can be skinned on the guidelines that Pyro and Skuzzy have given to myself and other skinners over the years.
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Every combat airplane starts out free of weathering. There are hundreds of examples in the photo history of pristine airplanes. I don't find THAT particular aspect unrealistic.
Hitech perhaps made and exception for the CAF aircraft (I am guessing they are released in the MA) and I can certainly live with that. I think Greebo is right to hold to the original standard otherwise.
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Looking in from the outside, not a skinner, I see no reason to change what has worked for a long time.
:aok Greebs
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A heck of a lot of options, sadly it's in rooski comrades :D
https://reibert.info/threads/jg5-ajsmeer-jagdgeschwader-5-eismeer.98632/page-1
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Unfortunately it is a valid reason because once/if/when the CAF skins get into the game despite breaking all the mentioned skinning inclusion rules, these "rules" become utterly meaningless hollow words, essentially leaving the only response to deny any skin; "Why? because I said so".
The "rules" are outmoded and probably should be modified to "only if operational in squadron strength between 1936-1945, this rule sponsored by CAF" or some such.
The CAF skins are for the sake of the CAF project and don't represent the slippery slope you attempt to portray. There have been exceptions made for events and such did not invalidate the overall rules of skin approval.
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There have been exceptions made for events and such did not invalidate the overall rules of skin approval.
Like what?
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Like what?
Like when an alternate late war event called "Second Wind" was hosted in the Combat Theater (now AvA) where Me-262s and Me-163s were re-skinned as Nakajima Kikkas and Mitsubishi Ki-200 Shusuis.
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Hmm, I am not sure how it worked back then. For a long time now we've had various skins that might not be historical or may be a sub for a plane where the skin is baked into the terrain and not available in the dropdown, thus bypassing the MA rules.
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Those were skins for substitute planes. They were only baked into the specific event terrain used for that event, and has noting to do with HiTech's rules for skins submitted for use in the entire game.
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RCAF 441 Squadron.
(https://i.imgur.com/Kw3PaJ9h.jpg)
https://www.ipmscanada.com/rt-issues-text/RCAF%20441%20Mustang%20IIIs.pdf
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Looks to have been stripped and polished. The red & white circles in the roundel are also off center. Interesting.
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Formed in Canada as No. 125 (Fighter) Squadron on 20 April 1942, the unit was the fourth of six home squadrons transferred overseas (complete in personnel but without aircraft) in preparation for the Allied invasion of Europe, and was redesignated No. 441 (Fighter) Squadron at Digby, Lincolnshire, England on 8 February 1944. It flew Spitfire aircraft on offensive and defensive air operations and, after D-Day, gave close support to ground forces in North-West Europe. In May 1945, the unit was re-equipped with Mustang aircraft for long-range bomber escort duty, but was not operational when hostilities ceased in Europe. The squadron was disbanded at Molesworth, Huntingdonshire on 7 August 1945.
Representative Aircraft (Unit Code 9G)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VB (Feb – Mar 44, not on operations)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.lXB (Mar 44 – Jan 45)
Supermarine Spitfire F., H.F., L.F.Mk.lX (Feb – May 45)
North American Mustang Mk.III (May – Aug 45, not on operations)
https://www.rcafassociation.ca/heritage/history/rcaf-and-the-crucible-of-war/441-squadron/
Bummer.
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How about some Mustangs used by 112 Squadron RAF? Because shark mouths are awesome. :aok
(http://raf-112-squadron.org/images/P51mustanggaq.jpg)
(http://raf-112-squadron.org/images/p51_shk2.jpg)
http://raf-112-squadron.org/112_photos_page_6.html
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How about some Mustangs used by 112 Squadron RAF? Because shark mouths are awesome. :aok
:rofl
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"DoolyBird"
https://www.flatpyramid.com/3d-models/military-3d-models/north-american-p-51k-mustang-mk-iv-dooleybird/
https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/dooleybird-mustang-pilots-logbook-donation/
(https://i.imgur.com/BlUxA6Sh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EDiojaJh.jpg)
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Wow that profile has numerous discrepancies from the photos...
Dooley bird text wrong font.. DOO bold LEY not.. Roundel size wrong, plane code text wrong size, spinner color band in wrong location, serial wrong size,..
Wonder if the colors are correct..
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Wonder if the colors are correct..
From what I read the model kit first came out with all blue canopy and antiglare shield. Some time later they were made aware it was a mistake & the company changed it to yellow.
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Good eye, guys.
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Formed in Canada as No. 125 (Fighter) Squadron on 20 April 1942, the unit was the fourth of six home squadrons transferred overseas (complete in personnel but without aircraft) in preparation for the Allied invasion of Europe, and was redesignated No. 441 (Fighter) Squadron at Digby, Lincolnshire, England on 8 February 1944. It flew Spitfire aircraft on offensive and defensive air operations and, after D-Day, gave close support to ground forces in North-West Europe. In May 1945, the unit was re-equipped with Mustang aircraft for long-range bomber escort duty, but was not operational when hostilities ceased in Europe. The squadron was disbanded at Molesworth, Huntingdonshire on 7 August 1945
I lived near Digby, in Metheringham for about 7 years.
RAF Digby is a listening post with no runways and a small museum. RAF Metheringham's runways are still present from WW2, and somewhere around it is a small visitors centre.
The first place I drove a car was on those old runways that Lancasters used to lift from :old:
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I lived near Digby, in Metheringham for about 7 years.
RAF Digby is a listening post with no runways and a small museum. RAF Metheringham's runways are still present from WW2, and somewhere around it is a small visitors centre.
The first place I drove a car was on those old runways that Lancasters used to lift from :old:
Wow.
I did something similar where I grew up when I was a teenager. We had training bases all over the place where I'm from in South Texas (bombers, fighters, trainers of all types). I used to go to one in my '69 Charger and race up and down the runway at night pretending I was taking off. Nowadays I would be in jail--if I could even get through the fencing that's been erected.
Funny how similar our stories are even half a world away. Ha ha ha.
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Formed in Canada as No. 125 (Fighter) Squadron on 20 April 1942, the unit was the fourth of six home squadrons transferred overseas (complete in personnel but without aircraft) in preparation for the Allied invasion of Europe, and was redesignated No. 441 (Fighter) Squadron at Digby, Lincolnshire, England on 8 February 1944. It flew Spitfire aircraft on offensive and defensive air operations and, after D-Day, gave close support to ground forces in North-West Europe. In May 1945, the unit was re-equipped with Mustang aircraft for long-range bomber escort duty, but was not operational when hostilities ceased in Europe. The squadron was disbanded at Molesworth, Huntingdonshire on 7 August 1945.
Representative Aircraft (Unit Code 9G)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VB (Feb – Mar 44, not on operations)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.lXB (Mar 44 – Jan 45)
Supermarine Spitfire F., H.F., L.F.Mk.lX (Feb – May 45)
North American Mustang Mk.III (May – Aug 45, not on operations)
https://www.rcafassociation.ca/heritage/history/rcaf-and-the-crucible-of-war/441-squadron/
Bummer.
Lets try this one then.
309 squadron.
http://aircrewremembered.com/pietrzak-aleksander.html
Even has the little Polish flag on the nose.
(https://i.imgur.com/4VNzGoPh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g7aa6ARh.jpg)
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ZDNH 2. Lovacko, Jato 1 (Coratia), Bf 109G-10/U-3
(https://preview.redd.it/0n521l55q1r41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=002acb9cf44c89b62f204bf583eb991c95d298cb)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/ca/84/aeca8472ceb79013840cf7fed34e774c.jpg)
(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/Kroat-JG/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-2-Lovacko-Jato-Vladimir-Sandtner-Croatia-16th-Apr-1945-03.jpg)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/croat109g14as-jpg.221645/)
ZDNH 2. Lovacko, Jato 1 (Croatia), Bf 109G-14/AS
(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/Kroat-JG/images/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-2-Lovacko-Jato-Vladimir-Sandtner-Croatia-16th-Apr-1945-07.jpg)
(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/KORD7298.jpg?t=)
Croatia had Bf 110G's as well, but I cannot find any real photographs of them.
Well a colour image of #4.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZoDzPpgh.jpg)
Only image I have ever found of a Croatian 110. Plus a couple of profiles.
(https://i.imgur.com/Msij8y8h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/562miu1h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XhpLawrh.jpg)