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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Gman on June 18, 2020, 07:57:02 AM
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TM was going to release their new controllers on the 19th, but did it today I see.
They've gone with new "Airbus" controls, obviously targeting the upcoming new MS FS game/sim coming in 2020 (and named 2020).
I'm not really disappointed, if TM came out with new combat controllers I'd never have bought them after the TM Warthog gimbal fiascos. In their video below they used the words "unlimited lifespan" describing these new controls. They better be prepared to back that up, as hundreds of WH users I know over at another sim have had their gimbals fail, and I've had 3 myself.
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Video Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4zRLN8eJSQ&feature=emb_logo
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Looks like they changed the color of the t16000
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That's the first ambidextrous throttle I've ever seen!
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That's the first ambidextrous throttle I've ever seen!
You're right it is. In the video TM shows some other hardware they'll be releasing along with the Stick/throttle. I wonder if the stick will have higher quality building materials/tech/etc than the T16000 which atlau pointed out it greatly resembles. Not knocking the T16000, in fact the base TM sticks and hotas are excellent IMO, it's just their craptastic WH gimbal that I have issue with.
General Aviation sim guys in comments on TMs Youtube channel and other forums seem pretty excited about this, so I guess it's good for guys who focus on that type of PC flying.
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The t16000 is a decent stick for the price. Might be better suited durability wise for an Airbus simulator vs AH players beating up their joysticks
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The t16000 is a decent stick for the price. Might be better suited durability wise for an Airbus simulator vs AH players beating up their joysticks
In that case I'm an Airbus pilot rather than an AH player! All my sticks have been sub 50 and each of them has lasted at least five years!
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Ha I've had some fail in 3 months! Average for a t16000 for me is a year.
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gman in your opinion whats the best stick for sitting on the desk with limited room, It's all very confusing with virpil / gunfighter etc. Don't want a warthog.
My 10 year old CH combat stick has seen better days. Still not alot wrong with it but need options as I don't want another one. :joystick:
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My FBO says they won't be out until Thanksgiving.
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gman in your opinion whats the best stick for sitting on the desk with limited room, It's all very confusing with virpil / gunfighter etc. Don't want a warthog.
My 10 year old CH combat stick has seen better days. Still not alot wrong with it but need options as I don't want another one. :joystick:
Bruv have you looked at the gladiator k?
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gman in your opinion whats the best stick for sitting on the desk with limited room, It's all very confusing with virpil / gunfighter etc. Don't want a warthog.
My 10 year old CH combat stick has seen better days. Still not alot wrong with it but need options as I don't want another one. :joystick:
The cool thing about VKB is that they offer a small base to replace the stock base if you have limited desk space.
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https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/vkb-sim-gladiator-k/
this one? that looks pretty similar button wise layout. Need the little side throttle for RPM. What is with the Rudder pedal connector?
these pedals do they have toe brakes or not as it says "Virtual" ?
https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/vkb-sim-t-rudder-pedals-mk-iv-2/
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VKB pedals don't have toe brakes. In order to get differential braking you map a key or my MCG-Pro grip has a lever on it to activate braking. You still control that with the pedals but that's what they mean by virtual. I have Crosswinds pedals so this isn't a problem. Highly recommend the VKB stuff. It's really well built by people that seem to have a passion for this stuff. The software can be a bear to get used to but Jaysus it goes on forever!
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Ha I've had some fail in 3 months! Average for a t16000 for me is a year.
you must be like me, spend to much time beating your joystick.
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For desktop, VKB Gunfighter IMO - I haven't tried the smaller base AckAck mentioned, I don't find the stock base footprint all that much larger than the CH base, plus most of it is very, very thin and flat. Nice option though, Virpil does have a universal small footprint plate too that works on the Warbrd (and the T50, but you can't really use it on a desktop as it's almost a 1/2 foot too high).
The Virpil Warbrd is an option too, IF you have a TM stick you can use the Warthog handle on it, and that IMO is a really great option too, as the stock springs in that base + the weight of the metal TM stick = a very "CH like" feel in terms of moving the stick around (a bit more firm, not much, and a more precise movement back to center). There is another desktop option now for a handle/grip (Alpha), as the T50, Delta, etc are all way too high on a Warbrd on desktop IMO, and the WW2/F5 stick is limited in hats/buttons.
You can use TM grips on the VKB GF too, but you need an adapter (really hard to find for a long time - 2 years- but they've been in stock lately). The stock grip is great with the VKB though, so IMO there really isn't much need to get something else unless you want options for other types of planes/space or whatever. The connector VKB uses IMO is 10x better than the TM style used by Virpil too, but I know why Virpil went that route, just for commonality and simplicity.
Cost wise is pretty similar, the only handle/grip from Virpil that works well as a desktop handle (due to height mainly) is the new Alpha on the Warbrd, and that setup is $15 USD more than the VKB GF3 with its stock handle/grip.
Also, regarding VKB pedals, if you can live without brakes, they are IMO the most accurate of all the custom pedals out now (I have 3 sets of Slaw, MFG Xwinds, Ace2 Virpil, and the VKB pedals (earlier gen than what's out now, but close enough). You move the VKB pedals from your ankle more than from your leg/knee/hip, which is a more small motor skill motion, and gives a bit more precision (obviously personal pref). They are the least expensive as well, smaller footprint too (compared to Virpil's new peds, which are roughly the same footprint as the Xwinds and Slaws).
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VKB GF2 on my desktop with stock base (putting this one up for sale once I get another GF3 in to replace it as I won't need 2 GF2 then).
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gman in your opinion whats the best stick for sitting on the desk with limited room, It's all very confusing with virpil / gunfighter etc. Don't want a warthog.
My 10 year old CH combat stick has seen better days. Still not alot wrong with it but need options as I don't want another one. :joystick:
Define limited room.
I am going to assume the pedals are not an issue space wise however I have the VKB ones and they work well.
For the stick / throttle situation I kept my Warthog throttle and have a virpil stick on a desk mount. When in use it just clamps to the desk and then once done I undo it and it goes under the desk. Currently it is very very dusty as it has been sat under the desk for many months. Does not get in my way at all.
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This is the small base on a Gunfighter Mk III.
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Thrustmaster also came out with a F/A-18 stick that works with their Warthog base.
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Had to replace my CH pedals, they were on the way out and I thought I'd open them up to see if a clean would straighten them out. The cable wiring is a joke end of. Amazed they lasted 12 years and 2 house moves with how flimsy and pathetic they are.
Went with the VKB T flight ones as that metal construction looks like they won't suffer the same issue. Would have grabbed the stick aswell but out of stock... :ahand
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I did receive the vkb T flight pedals and very impressed with them.
Small and compact, easy to assemble. The lack of toe brakes takes a bit of getting used to but you can map a button on your HOTAS to engage the virtual brake and it will then drop the R or L in game brake pedal whilst still providing normal rudder control when the button is depressed. This does take a bit of getting use to but isn't game breaking when they are so very nice and precise in the air.
I don't foresee them having any faults like the cheaply made CH pro pedal wiring! time will always tell though.
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I did receive the vkb T flight pedals and very impressed with them.
Small and compact, easy to assemble. The lack of toe brakes takes a bit of getting used to but you can map a button on your HOTAS to engage the virtual brake and it will then drop the R or L in game brake pedal whilst still providing normal rudder control when the button is depressed. This does take a bit of getting use to but isn't game breaking when they are so very nice and precise in the air.
I don't foresee them having any faults like the cheaply made CH pro pedal wiring! time will always tell though.
I've had my Mk T-Rudders for about 4 years now, work just as well now as they did on the day I got them.
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I have 10 or more years on my CH pedals and they are working fine. Dang it has been a long time.
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I have 10 or more years on my CH pedals and they are working fine. Dang it has been a long time.
I could have easily gotten another 10 years out of my CH Pro Pedals, I've got plenty of spare parts for the pedals but I wanted to move away from CH's ancient 8 bit technology and get a superior, modern 32bit pedals.
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I could have easily gotten another 10 years out of my CH Pro Pedals, I've got plenty of spare parts for the pedals but I wanted to move away from CH's ancient 8 bit technology and get a superior, modern 32bit pedals.
Yup the 8 bit is life ending for CH. But the pedals have never stopped working.
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I could have easily gotten another 10 years out of my CH Pro Pedals, I've got plenty of spare parts for the pedals but I wanted to move away from CH's ancient 8 bit technology and get a superior, modern 32bit pedals.
And the plastic on plastic movement wasn't the smoothest either. It was affordable technology but after upgrading to Crosswinds pedals a few years ago the difference in that alone is night and day. They're like a machine where the other peds were like a toy in comparison.
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And the plastic on plastic movement wasn't the smoothest either. It was affordable technology but after upgrading to Crosswinds pedals a few years ago the difference in that alone is night and day. They're like a machine where the other peds were like a toy in comparison.
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No doubt there are better ones out now. CH went to sleep on their product.
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LOOKS like your dam near ready to go and pilot the hindenburg.
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And the plastic on plastic movement wasn't the smoothest either. It was affordable technology but after upgrading to Crosswinds pedals a few years ago the difference in that alone is night and day. They're like a machine where the other peds were like a toy in comparison.
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Yep, the design bugs were never fixed, especially the wire chafing problem. That issue alone was a major headache when I worked at CH back in the '90s.
The only remaining CH gear I still use is the Pro Throttle, which I still believe is one of the best single throttle unit ever designed but it's still 8bit. I just ordered Virpil's dual throttle and hopefully within the month I can fully retire all of my CH gear after. I just packed away my Jane's F-16 Combat Stick, which was used when I was at CH as the prototype for switching from analog sticks to USB. I might put it in a glass case to show it off along with my other collectibles.
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Yeah still using my pro throttle. It's functional but one of the hats is getting a little flaky. I'm waiting to see what the proposed (for a couple of years now) VKB throttle is gonna be like. I'd like to stick with a unified software for all my gear if I can. VKB software isn't the easiest to deal with initially, but once you get the hang of it it's really comprehensive.
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Yeah still using my pro throttle. It's functional but one of the hats is getting a little flaky. I'm waiting to see what the proposed (for a couple of years now) VKB throttle is gonna be like. I'd like to stick with a unified software for all my gear if I can. VKB software isn't the easiest to deal with initially, but once you get the hang of it it's really comprehensive.
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I'd like to keep my gear unified too but damn, that Virpil throttle is really impressive. Don't think I can wait for VKB to finally release their throttle or that one company that makes Warbirds replica throttles, that company's P-38 throttle looks awesome but still at least another year away from commercial production.
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Yeah that 38 throttle does look awesome but that's really for a simpit guy which I ain't. The yoke looks great too. The hotas reddit crowd say that guy has been trotting out those controls for years and they never actually materialize. Realistic yeah, but not enough buttons, etc., for me anyway. Especially for other sims like IL-2, DCS and I assume the new MS flight simulator that have all the other engine management stuff. I never thought I'd have much use for that stuff but it's an extra bit of challenge I'm kinda liking. So I need that stuff literally at my fingertips.
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