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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Rezdog on June 24, 2020, 02:24:38 PM
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Howdy all,
Just wondering what's popular with the kids and cool cats these days for sticks? When I re-subbed recently I ordered a cheaper stick from amazon just to test the waters with. Its... shall we say "OK" but I definitely got what I paid for with it, about as smooth as tacs all around. I think the best stick I owned was an old MS Sidewinder, nothing so far has compared to that. I then reluctantly graduated to a Saitek Cyborg Evo. Neither stick is produced anymore new afaik.
Any suggestions before I commit to something new would be greatly appreciated.
Good flying <<S>>
RezDog,
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Depends on your budget and what you want IMO. A lot use the Thrustmaster T16000 and it's pretty cheap. Saitek went by the wayside and was bought by Logitech, so they don't produce nearly the selection of sticks as they used to. They have 'old faithful' like the X52, but I'm not sure how the Logitech quality one is compared to the old Saitek one, I bought the Saitek X52 Pro recently and it is a nice step up from my X52 of 6-7 years.
Most of the Logitech HOTAS ones seem to be geared toward space sims like Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous, at least by their looks.
Then you jump into the higher quality stuff like Virpil but at a much higher price.
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Depends on your budget and what you want IMO. A lot use the Thrustmaster T16000 and it's pretty cheap. Saitek went by the wayside and was bought by Logitech, so they don't produce nearly the selection of sticks as they used to. They have 'old faithful' like the X52, but I'm not sure how the Logitech quality one is compared to the old Saitek one, I bought the Saitek X52 Pro recently and it is a nice step up from my X52 of 6-7 years.
Most of the Logitech HOTAS ones seem to be geared toward space sims like Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous, at least by their looks.
Then you jump into the higher quality stuff like Virpil but at a much higher price.
Rodger that, thanks for the info. I guess one can make just about any stick with enough functions work, but when you find the right fit makes for a much nicer ride :airplane:
Best,
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I use the Logitech X56, I am very happy with it. :rock
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Don't look at me... I still use a tin can and string for communications.
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Howdy all,
Just wondering what's popular with the kids and cool cats these days for sticks? When I re-subbed recently I ordered a cheaper stick from amazon just to test the waters with. Its... shall we say "OK" but I definitely got what I paid for with it, about as smooth as tacs all around. I think the best stick I owned was an old MS Sidewinder, nothing so far has compared to that. I then reluctantly graduated to a Saitek Cyborg Evo. Neither stick is produced anymore new afaik.
Any suggestions before I commit to something new would be greatly appreciated.
Good flying <<S>>
RezDog,
My brother in law loved his sidewinder and had it for years. Once it died for good he brought the T16000m and hasnt looked back. He says it is very close to his old sidewinder.
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Watch out for Fugitive.... he wears a bandanna even when there is no covid. :D
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I had a Saitek X52 for 8 years, was great for the money. They’re now made by Logitech and bought a X52 Pro to replace it, it lasted about 8 months and going AFK and going into autopilot was a coin flip if the stick would random spike enough to kick off autopilot and crash. Wouldn’t suggest those models.
Replaced it with a VKB gunfighter mk3 Modern Combat Edition with MCG Pro grip. Best purchase I’ve made for flight sims, got it with the long extension and their stronghold base. Not cheap.
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Right on fella's,
Now I'm gonna have to try em all hah, including that tin can of Shuffler's :cheers: I"m sure any of them are better than what I'm going with now, you push the buttons and sometimes they work and sometimes its just suggestion lol. But I still get misty eyed for the sidewinder, I'm gonna have to look up that T16000m.
Thank you gents, I shall do my part for the online economy soon :D
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I recommend VKB sticks and rudder. Far superior to any of the major stick makers.
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T1600 if on a budget
Warthog if you are not
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Eagler
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I'd look at the new vkb gladiator.
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For a few dollars more go for the VKB Gladiator with grip (handle) of choice. They make several, with or without twist. For a lot of dollars more get the Gunfighter.
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Hate to say it, especially since I used to work there, but stay away from CH Products. The company is no longer what it used to be and ancient technology compared to most other joysticks. It is a waste to spend money on an 8bit controller these days.
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What sets the VKB Gladiator apart? How much tension in the throw? I once owned a Warthog which hurt my wrist after 30 minutes...way too much tension. OTOH I had a Fighterstick for many years, which had very little. The T16000 seems to be a happy medium (and very smooth responces) but will no doubt hit the trash bin sooner than later due to plastic parts.
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No problem. Just swap out the springs to something lighter. Don't know how light the stock Gladiator is as I have the Gunfighter.
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I would recommend the Thrustmaster 16000 series as well. Try to get the top end version of it. Its got high precision sensors.
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What sets the VKB Gladiator apart? How much tension in the throw? I once owned a Warthog which hurt my wrist after 30 minutes...way too much tension. OTOH I had a Fighterstick for many years, which had very little. The T16000 seems to be a happy medium (and very smooth responces) but will no doubt hit the trash bin sooner than later due to plastic parts.
The gladiator had a lighter throw than the t16000.
Once you get used to it I prefer it. I didnt like the kg2 grip because of the lack of buttons and the grip was angled for center mount (i fly with the stick to the side of my keyboard). Now that they have the new grip inthink it's worth a look.
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Best Advice I can give you is check reviews and do your research. Take into account your hand size, and your preferences; What's good for some one else may not be good for you.
Things to consider in your research.
Ergonomics, Quality, Support, Software, Cost, and Application (What type of games do you play) to name a few.
Be weary of CH products (Read my "CH Assembled in Mexico." post on this board and "CH Control Manager Nightmare." on the "Technical Support" Board.)
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I like CH Products sticks. I like the feel over other sticks I've tried.
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I love my Warthog stick but recently I swapped out my Warthog throttle for a Thrustmaster TWCS because it has a few functions the warthog is lacking.
Thrustmaster T1600 stick seems pretty good too. It uses HALL effect sensors instead of POTS so it shouldn't wear out over time like most sticks do.
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I just received a VKB Gladiator K on Friday. It's a significant upgrade from my X-52. Damn thing gave up after only 13 years because I bumped the connector and broke it. :D
I love pretty much everything about the Gladiator K, the only thing that is suboptimal is the buttons click a lot harder than the X-52, which can really throw off my gunnery. Fortunately, I had been toying with moving my fire all guns button to my throttle, and it works very well.
Other than that, I'm loving it. More buttons on it than I know what to do with. I had always felt that people were overstating the advantages of a more precise stick. I now know differently. It's really improved my ability to control the aircraft.
As long as it doesn't wear out quick, I'm very happy with the purchase.
Wiley.
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It shouldn't. The software is kind of a bear to work with but once you get the hang of it you'll see it's super awesome too. It'll do things with all those buttons you wouldn't think possible or wished you could do before.
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Yeah. I had a pretty unholy combination of macros on my X-52. Bit bummed that I can't use button combos between my x52 throttle and the VKB stick, but maybe my throttle can have an unfortunate incident when VKB releases their throttle. :D
The profiling software looks deep. Had to laugh, when I was googling some stuff, I saw a comment about VKB being a company that was created by a group of engineers. The first time I opened their profiling software my first thought was, "It certainly was." It's a bit inscrutable.
When I get around to it, I'm likely going to at least work out modes, but at the moment I'm just trying to retrain my brain to one new set of buttons to push for now. So very many buttons...
Wiley.
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Yeah. I had a pretty unholy combination of macros on my X-52. Bit bummed that I can't use button combos between my x52 throttle and the VKB stick, but maybe my throttle can have an unfortunate incident when VKB releases their throttle. :D
The profiling software looks deep. Had to laugh, when I was googling some stuff, I saw a comment about VKB being a company that was created by a group of engineers. The first time I opened their profiling software my first thought was, "It certainly was." It's a bit inscrutable.
When I get around to it, I'm likely going to at least work out modes, but at the moment I'm just trying to retrain my brain to one new set of buttons to push for now. So very many buttons...
Wiley.
The actual programming of VKB sticks with their software is quite easy, the problem is the interface. Let me know if you need some help.
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Will bear that in mind. Thanks for the help gents.
Wiley.