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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Zambelli on July 07, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
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Help, plane rolls left when I pull back on stick. This happens when going up or pulling back when trying to bank turn. Ever had this problem until very recently. Squaddies went through scaling, putting settings to default by renaming settings folder, turning on and off stall limiter.... Nothing helps. Please advise.
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You should edit for brand, model and age of your stick.
Edit: Also, if you know how to find it, the first page of the stick map file, it's text and can be posted here.
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X52. Dont know about the rest of what you said
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Try this:
Go to Controls/Map Controllers. Select your X52 in the dropdown list. Click on the 'Advanced' box:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400602.0;attach=32771)
Select the X-Axis, and watch the values change as you pull back on the stick, and watch the green lines in the Raw and Scaled boxes on the clipboard slide-out panel. By pulling back on the stick, you are activating the Y-Axis, so the X-axis values shold remain fairly stable (mine move somewhat). You can increase Damping with the slider to try to reduce the effects on the X-Axis when you are using the Y-Axis. The difference between Raw and Scaled shows how much damping is in effect.
Hope that helps.
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Sounds like you got some stick spiking going on.
Increase your dead-band.
Coogan
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Time to do some diagnostics. Now let's be clear, diagnostics means taking a couple of hours to test stuff, I mean DELIBERATELY test.
- Is it only when you turn apply left pressure to the stick?
- Does it happen when you apply soft or hard pressure?
- Does it happen in EVERY plane or are you learning a new plane?
If the answer is yes to all then you have a problem with the stick input. You may need to clean the pots / contacts, I am sure there are many resources online to help with that for your particular stick.
If the answer is no then I suspect you are pulling too hard and what you are seeing is a left wing stall. I suffered from that for years and when I drank it was worse. It was worse most of the time I played!!
If you are trying to be a hero in a P51 and actually fight rather than just do high speed passes then I am 99% sure you are yanking too hard. Happened to me all the time in the 51.
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If I remember right, the x52 is a twisty stick, which can be locked so as not to twist. I always had trouble using it with the twisty function enabled.
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If I remember right, the x52 is a twisty stick, which can be locked so as not to twist. I always had trouble using it with the twisty function enabled.
right handed people will have a tendency to turn left. i do the same thing with my stick when going straight up. but once you become aware of it, you will stop.
did the same when i had pedals.
semp
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Thank you all for posting the help here. I believe my Logitech 3D pro (disposable) is in need of changing. Morfiend helped me troubleshoot issues with that stick before and iirc using some damping and deadband was usually necessary. Mine I’m sure needs replacing by now.
What I’m noticing is every plane wants to pitch up quite a lot, much more than I recall in AH2.
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I plugged in a different stick and still have same issue.
Not my flying. I know how to roll and bank.
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Reinstalled game.... Same issue persists.
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I am not very techy... I am just about at the point unless someone comes to my house and gets it working.... I will have to quit tjis game for good
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Did you you pull up the raw scaling screen as stated above? That would tell you if your stick is out of wack or not.
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Yes I did.... It seems fine.
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OK, try this.
Load the game and select "offline practice"
On the clipboard goto "preferences/flight"
Check the boxes in the second column that say "Pitch ladder" and Control Pos" and click OK to save it.
Jump in a plane, before you take off select "preferences/UI". This will put a box around everything on the screen you can move. Move the Control Pos box to an area you can easily keep an eye on it. Click ok when your done.
Launch and get your speed up and do the moves that are giving you trouble. Using the control position box you should be able to see all stick and rudder movements to help determine what is giving you trouble.
(http://66.189.10.34:8080/pics/control_positions.jpg)
Give it a try and lets us know what you find. You could also film the test and post that here for the guys to check it out and maybe spot something your missing.
Good Luck!
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OK, try this.
Load the game and select "offline practice"
On the clipboard goto "preferences/flight"
Check the boxes in the second column that say "Pitch ladder" and Control Pos" and click OK to save it.
Jump in a plane, before you take off select "preferences/UI". This will put a box around everything on the screen you can move. Move the Control Pos box to an area you can easily keep an eye on it. Click ok when your done.
Launch and get your speed up and do the moves that are giving you trouble. Using the control position box you should be able to see all stick and rudder movements to help determine what is giving you trouble.
(http://66.189.10.34:8080/pics/control_positions.jpg)
Give it a try and lets us know what you find. You could also film the test and post that here for the guys to check it out and maybe spot something your missing.
Good Luck!
I recommend Fugi's above advice including filming and posting the film (actual game film not a video)
TC
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Fixed? Not Fixed?
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Sorry folks. I have been sick and out of commission a few weeks. Just got a brand new computer. Installed game. Same issue. Recording my flight doesnt show the control position box on play back. I took a shaky cell video of monitor. Will try to post on AH FB page.
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Never mind.... Groups are apparently all closed. If someone pm a cell number.... I can try text video to ya.
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oboe posted this image on the first page. This is for reference.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400602.0;attach=32771)
Take a screen-shot of this on your rig and put it where you can find it easily, preferably as a .jpg exported from msPaint, but the bmp will work.
Then start a new post, look below your forum posting text edit box for the link/button "Attachments and other options".
Click on it.
Scroll down if necessary to Attach: Browse... and browse to the image on your machine. Notice all the file types supported in this forum while you're at it.
Post your screen shot.
You didn't say if you followed Fugitive's suggestion and what it showed you.
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That is exactly what I was talking about. I have cell phone video showing control position box. Stick is perfectly centered and all the way back. Plane rolls out of control. I want someone to look at that video
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Are you saying you followed none of the suggestions offered in this thread? It isn't clear to me.
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If you are flying with sufficient forward speed I would expect the aircraft to 'snap' as you describe it with full elevator input.
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Oh my God!!!!!! I did exactly as fugitive said. In flight recording does not show the box. I took a cell phone video of the monitor as a work around. It shows the stick all the way down (back) and perfectly centered.
What I am asking for is to let me email or text this video to someone who knows what they are doing to review it. I don't understand why that is not clear.
Frustration level from 1-10: 4,000,000,000,000,000,000.2
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It shows the stick all the way down (back) and perfectly centered.
Are we absolutely certain it is not an aircraft specific torque issue?
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Sorry about your illness and hope you are feeling better, Zambelli.
A cellphone video *might* help, but go ahead and post that .ahf film of your flight here. Everyone on the board can download it and look at it, and I think that allows reviewers to see engine settings and airspeed as you fly.
You've ruled out computer hardware by getting a new computer. Ruled out problems with the stick by performing the tests both I and Fugitive described, and noting proper behavior of the stick in both tests, and by trying a different stick. You've ruled out problems with the game installation by re-installing the game on your old computer, and by installing a fresh copy of the game on your new computer.
Ruling out all these other factors, it sounds like you could be experiencing an accelerated stall. The ahf should help someone figure out whats going on.
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Are we absolutely certain it is not an aircraft specific torque issue?
It happens in spits
It happens in 109s
It happens in 190s
It.happens in P51s
Haven't tried every plane but...
Yes... I'm sure its not aircraft specific
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Ok will post the original in flight film.
How do I do that?
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Very easy to do - click the "Attachments and other options" link below the text box when creating a new post.
Clcik "Choose File" and and find your .ahf film and select it. The click "Post".
I can't recall offhand where the films are stored, but its somewhere in the game's installation folders. Sorry I'm not at my game computer atm.
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C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\films
While I'm at it.
C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\scrshot
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C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\films
While I'm at it.
C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High III\scrshot
Those can't be viewed, they're just showing where your computer stores them. Instead, open the Attachments and other options menu and find the specific .ahf file you want to post as an attachment, repeat up to four times if necessary:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400602.0;attach=32932)
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It happens in spits
It happens in 109s
It happens in 190s
It.happens in P51s
Haven't tried every plane but...
Yes... I'm sure its not aircraft specific
Fair enough. It's only that you said you had the stick pulled all the way back. In most aircraft this will induce a stall that usually rolls the aircraft in the direction that the engine torque dictates if no other control input is registred. I'm sure you already knew that, just checking all possibilities.
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Fair enough. It's only that you said you had the stick pulled all the way back. In most aircraft this will induce a stall that usually rolls the aircraft in the direction that the engine torque dictates if no other control input is registred. I'm sure you already knew that, just checking all possibilities.
The Yak series' engines turn in opposite direction from most, as does the Spit XIV. Might be interesting to see if a roll in the opposite direction occurs in these planes. That would definitely implicate torque as a factor.
Also, you didn't specifically mention trying Combat Trim - just the stall limiter. Does Combat Trim have any effect?
Finally, if you flight straight and level using AutoPilot-Level ("x") and then switch off Auto Pilot without making any other changes or adding inputs from the controls - does the roll left start to occur?
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Thanks Bizman, I should have clarified.
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Twisty stick? If Combat Trim is off, just about every plane will get loose. Especially when pulling hard on Elevators, lot of speed loss and lift and Torque changes :uhoh Just went through this getting my Niece all set up. Some how "combat trim" had been mapped to a button and would get turned off. Although she still had issues but was also a wee bit ham fisted with the elevators also....insta-out of control :D "What is making that noise?" "Uh, that is your Airplane giving you the same attitude you give your Mom" not that I mind, as her mom is my Sis..you get it lol "It means keep pulling that stick so hard, you gonna get slapped with a stall! You might survive..you might not, so good luck with that!" :bolt:
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We still don't know if he's locked out the twisty stick.
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We still don't know if he's locked out the twisty stick.
TRUE!!! My niece has a bad habit of keeping rudder engaged inadvertently! That would most definitely cause issues like he describes!
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From his description, he is stalling the aircraft. He may have changed the default setting of a stall limiter in the setup/flight preferences. The change in setting is why he is now thinking it is rolling.
HiTech
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That's interesting, I wouldn't have thought that possible. Still, can't rule out the obvious at this point.
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I just checked.
The stall limit slider is in Arena Settings and the Player's only ability to change Stall-Limit is the ON or OFF checkbox in Flight options. Am I missing something?
If he was having this issue offline, it would makes sense, but not if playing in the MA, AvA or SEA because he wouldn't be able to change that.
:bolt:
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I just noticed this is happening to me last night, in a P-38J. Level the plane with auto level, full throttle both engines, and when I turn off auto pilot, he plane begins a slow roll to the left. With the manual control of the P-38s engines, I can control the roll by reducing right engine throttle, but I have to reduce by almost 50%.
I haven't bothered to reset my trim controls, but I have assigned them now to the joystick hat switch and will try manually correcting.
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I was thinking he should try a 38 and see if his problem persists. The idea is the 38 doesn't have torque issues one direction or the other due to the counter rotating props. No other plane has this. Would rule that out anyway.
Oboe, I haven't tested the condition you described but will look into it later and report back.
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OK just took a test hop in a 38L on Bustr's training map, NW airspawn. Using the 38 to rule out a prop torque or Pfactor directional thing. I let airspeed stabilize, took autopilot off and got a mild back stick and so also a mild up pitch. Nothing violent but it's there. I went out and recal'd in the VKB software and then again in AH to rule that out. Same hop, same results. I noticed if I put combat trim on it straightened right out. Nothing unexpected on my end. I can actually trim the x and y axii in real time with my stick by activating a mode on one of the hats so tuning this out has become second nature. Can also recenter them the same way.
To rule out a stick problem try this program from VKB, Joy Tester. It'll give you more detail on the graph so you can really see any odd glitches better. It's a universal program so it'll work with any controller. Just make sure you have it selected so you're seeing what you want.
Get it here in the troubleshooting section:
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?page_id=4609 (https://vkbcontrollers.com/?page_id=4609)
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OK just replicated your problem with an F4U-4 using the same technique as above. After stabilizing speed I took off autopilot and got a mild up pitch AND a mild roll left. The roll I'd certainly attribute to torque now as it didn't happen in the 38. One of the reasons I chose that bird. Something a little on the torquey side to make it happen. Both times I did this the effect was mild and certainly controllable with the stick alone and could be easily tuned out with aileron and elevator trim. Doing this will affect centering the ball also so you'll need rudder trim. Map all of these to something on your stick or simply use combat trim.
Keep in mind on a takeoff roll down the runway the torque from the engine is gonna pull you generally left depending on rotation of the engine(s) until the airspeed builds up to give some rudder authority. Keep straight with the rudder in that case until you get going. If you pull back too soon(not fast enough) then yeah, you're likely to flip over--usually to the left. With a less torquey bird you might just ground loop to the left, with a more torquey one flip over.
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And just to be sure I did the same test with a Tempest (that cockpit is godawful I gotta say) and it did exactly what I expected it to. A mild pitch up but this time also a mild roll to the RIGHT as that prop turns the other way.
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And just took the same Tempest down the runway, pulled back on the stick too soon on purpose and it of course, flipped right over to the right. Ditto the F4U-4 to the left. Not unexpected.