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Title: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 17, 2020, 07:17:34 PM
So, which makes more sense to you? Purchase through STEAM, or through Microsoft Store?
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Gman on August 17, 2020, 08:20:44 PM
Purchase - not at all.

J/K.  Sort of.  I'll probably buy it through Steam just to deprive Microsoft of 30% revenue. 
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Spikes on August 17, 2020, 08:41:26 PM
I tried MS first, but it wouldn't let me install it because it said my device wasn't registered with my MS account. Dicked around with it for 30-45 minutes before refunding and buying through Steam.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on August 17, 2020, 09:08:29 PM
I tried MS first, but it wouldn't let me install it because it said my device wasn't registered with my MS account. Dicked around with it for 30-45 minutes before refunding and buying through Steam.

I'll probably get it from Steam on Wednesday.
Hope it has an offline mode, so I don't have to connect to Steam everytime I want to just fly around a little.

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 18, 2020, 11:18:51 PM
I've got it free through Xbox Game Pass.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2020, 07:45:21 AM
Steam says I've had 15 hours Gameplay.
I still have 3GBs to download before I actually have "Gameplay".
Worst Launcher in world history.
 :banana:
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: perdue3 on August 19, 2020, 09:55:24 AM
Steam says I've had 15 hours Gameplay.
I still have 3GBs to download before I actually have "Gameplay".
Worst Launcher in world history.
 :banana:

No, that is accurate. I hacked you and flew all night.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
The launcher counts as gameplay in the eyes of Steam  :old:
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2020, 12:15:16 PM
Only now you have to start steam to fly in MS2020.

I guess it works for some folks.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Spikes on August 19, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
The launcher counts as gameplay in the eyes of Steam  :old:
It isn't really a launcher. Steam is launching FlightSimulator.exe.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: perdue3 on August 19, 2020, 02:54:36 PM
Only now you have to start steam to fly in MS2020.

I guess it works for some folks.

You don't have to. You can buy from Microsoft and link your Microsoft account.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2020, 03:21:44 PM
Ahh with steam M$ just gets the info from them. Got it.

I will be checking it our for sure.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Spikes on August 19, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
Yes, and free.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2020, 03:26:17 PM
Yes, and free.

LOL yes found that and changed my post.

Thanks  :D
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: RichardDarkwood on August 19, 2020, 04:09:27 PM
If you have Xbox gamepass which costs a dollar you get access to MSFS20. Your welcome
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
If you have Xbox gamepass which costs a dollar you get access to MSFS20. Your welcome

What about for PC... and what version?
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 19, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
I'm pretty sure XBox gamepass works through Windows Store. Even if you buy through Steam the game will ask you to link it to your XBox/Microsoft account.

I haven't found the SDK yet, or maybe it hasn't been released. Hopefully that will follow in the next update or so.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 19, 2020, 06:03:09 PM
What about for PC... and what version?

Xbox Game Pass is for the PC and it offers the standard version for free and discounts (think 10%) for the other versions.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: streakeagle on August 19, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
It looks nice, but I am not particularly impressed. I have P3d and X-Plane. Out of the box, FS2020 might have some advantages, but with mods they all look about the same. The real issue is performance when the graphics settings are maxed out. I don't see FS2020 having much better performance for similar quality levels. For VR, I prefer Aerofly FS2... looks really good, runs at max fps with max quality settings. You give up a fully populated globe,  multiplayer, and any kind of animation... right down to the static textures for water, but Some of the scenery looks fantastic and some of the aircraft are modeled very well in terms of cockpits/systems/flight models... particularly the helo.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Spikes on August 19, 2020, 07:45:06 PM
It looks nice, but I am not particularly impressed. I have P3d and X-Plane. Out of the box, FS2020 might have some advantages, but with mods they all look about the same. The real issue is performance when the graphics settings are maxed out. I don't see FS2020 having much better performance for similar quality levels. For VR, I prefer Aerofly FS2... looks really good, runs at max fps with max quality settings. You give up a fully populated globe,  multiplayer, and any kind of animation... right down to the static textures for water, but Some of the scenery looks fantastic and some of the aircraft are modeled very well in terms of cockpits/systems/flight models... particularly the helo.
Have you played FS2020?

I didn't think so...
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
It looks nice, but I am not particularly impressed. I have P3d and X-Plane. Out of the box, FS2020 might have some advantages, but with mods they all look about the same. The real issue is performance when the graphics settings are maxed out. I don't see FS2020 having much better performance for similar quality levels. For VR, I prefer Aerofly FS2... looks really good, runs at max fps with max quality settings. You give up a fully populated globe,  multiplayer, and any kind of animation... right down to the static textures for water, but Some of the scenery looks fantastic and some of the aircraft are modeled very well in terms of cockpits/systems/flight models... particularly the helo.

Youtube videos are already out comparing...... and none seem to compare to MSFS2020 favorably. At least the ones I have seen so far.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 19, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
I'm not aware of any other sim where rainwater slowly evaporates off of runway surfaces, streets, buildings, . . . Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I think that's new. The sensation of flight seems more realistic, but to be really sure I would like to try a DG in FS2020, if anyone ever makes one.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on August 19, 2020, 09:18:42 PM
I'm not aware of any other sim where rainwater slowly evaporates off of runway surfaces, streets, buildings, . . . Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I think that's new. The sensation of flight seems more realistic, but to be really sure I would like to try a DG in FS2020, if anyone ever makes one.

Just fly anything dude.  Can't you tell the difference? (We're fly by wire here)

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 19, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Just fly anything dude.  Can't you tell the difference? (We're fly by wire here)

Coogan

Apparently you never heard the quote, "the more I learned, the more I realized I needed to learn."

In other words, it's not the trick itself, but how the trick is done.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wolfala on August 20, 2020, 12:56:48 AM
So, which makes more sense to you? Purchase through STEAM, or through Microsoft Store?

Works fine here

Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 20, 2020, 01:53:34 AM
Yeah, I can't be sure if the slide-show in that video is the way it was recorded, YouTube slowing down while streaming, or just poor performance.

On my system I have already seen quite a few bugs, and at least one hard crash. Hopefully they'll get it sorted out.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wolfala on August 20, 2020, 06:49:31 AM
Itís how I recorded it. I used OBS and did not do any optimization so I took a huge CPU hit

Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: avionix on August 20, 2020, 09:44:54 AM
Should have known Wolfala would fly the Cirrus.  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wolfala on August 20, 2020, 09:59:21 AM
I honestly donít know what plane they tried to model. The thing wonít make any where close static RPM, The fuel flows are completely diddlyed, climbs like a pregnant yak, and itís feels like youíre dancing with a fat woman. they slapped a 22 skin on something but it ainít a 22. That and the avionics are completely non-functional.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Oldman731 on August 20, 2020, 11:12:48 AM
I honestly donít know what plane they tried to model. The thing wonít make any where close static RPM, The fuel flows are completely diddlyed, climbs like a pregnant yak, and itís feels like youíre dancing with a fat woman. they slapped a 22 skin on something but it ainít a 22. That and the avionics are completely non-functional.


Have been wondering how the actual flying characteristics compare to X-Plane.  Doesn't sound good for FS2020.

- oldman
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wolfala on August 20, 2020, 11:19:15 AM

Have been wondering how the actual flying characteristics compare to X-Plane.  Doesn't sound good for FS2020.

- oldman

I get that itís been like three days but if you have Aircraft with Garmin stuff in it make it actually functional.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wiley on August 20, 2020, 11:28:51 AM
I get that itís been like three days but if you have Aircraft with Garmin stuff in it make it actually functional.

Sounds like they're expecting the modding community to fill it out.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Eagler on August 20, 2020, 01:43:15 PM
None of the planes have guns

What are you supposed to do?

Eagler
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 20, 2020, 03:46:56 PM

Have been wondering how the actual flying characteristics compare to X-Plane.  Doesn't sound good for FS2020.

- oldman

On other planes it exceeds x-plane in the videos I have seen.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wiley on August 20, 2020, 03:49:22 PM
None of the planes have guns

What are you supposed to do?

Eagler

Apparently, fly.  A buddy of mine knew a commercial pilot who would get home from a flight and fly the same route in MSFS.  To me that's borderline mental illness, although people apparently like to drive a semi in traffic in Truck Simulator too...  I sure as heck don't get it.

But here's another one that baked my noodle completely.  There are people who are virtual air traffic controllers in MSFS.  They act as tower and route traffic, from what I understand on some servers they won't let you ATC unless you've more or less taken a training course with them on how to do it properly.

Why a human would be entertained by that is completely beyond me but, the world is a rich tapestry.

Wish we had those clouds though...

Wiley.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wolfala on August 20, 2020, 04:00:27 PM
Apparently, fly.  A buddy of mine knew a commercial pilot who would get home from a flight and fly the same route in MSFS.  To me that's borderline mental illness, although people apparently like to drive a semi in traffic in Truck Simulator too...  I sure as heck don't get it.

But here's another one that baked my noodle completely.  There are people who are virtual air traffic controllers in MSFS.  They act as tower and route traffic, from what I understand on some servers they won't let you ATC unless you've more or less taken a training course with them on how to do it properly.

Why a human would be entertained by that is completely beyond me but, the world is a rich tapestry.

Wish we had those clouds though...

Wiley.

Mental, no. If you were here 15 years ago we had guys from aces high running as traffic controllers who were awacs controllers and air traffic controllers in 40 person Microsoft flight simulator sessions.

As an IP, itís honestly a great screener. If a guy reaches out to me the first question I ask whatís your SIM experience. And believe it or not I did refer guys over to Aces high for stick and rudder before they came to me. An airplane is a terrible place to learn and if you can get those basic skills somewhere else before youíre paying me $700 an hour then you better use that time.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wiley on August 20, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
Mental, no. If you were here 15 years ago we had guys from aces high running as traffic controllers who were awaxís controllers and air traffic controllers in 40 person Microsoft flight simulator sessions.

As an IP, itís honestly a great screener. If a guy reaches out to me the first question I ask whatís your SIM experience. And believe it or not I did refer guys over to Ace is high for stick and rudder before they came to me. An airplane is a terrible place to learn and if you can get those basic skills somewhere else before youíre paying me $700 an hour then you better use that time.

As a training tool, hell yeah I can see that but the impression I got was this guy was a very experienced pilot who was doing it for fun.

But training even if for nothing else than procedures makes perfect sense.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Lusche on August 20, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
although people apparently like to drive a semi in traffic in Truck Simulator too...  I sure as heck don't get it.

Unlike truck driving in the real world, this can be totally relaxing. Hauling 20 tonnes of tools from Spain to Estonia while listening to my favourite radio stations is as chill as gaming can get. (When I want excitement, I play something else).

As for FS2020, my old PC starts to stutter when I only think about installing it. Way too big of an investment right now.


Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: NatCigg on August 20, 2020, 08:04:28 PM
I see a guy on you tube having sub 30 frame rates and significant stutter at night, with some high end computer that had many 2000 #'s in the spec description.

but, Wowzers. that game looked awesome, I'm excited to see it. 
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Mister Fork on August 21, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
Non-functional instruments? :headscratch:  It's 2020 right?



Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 22, 2020, 05:00:12 AM
The XML code for some of the gauges (and glass) are not in the sim yet. That's not the biggest problem though. The biggest problem is add-on support, which is still a long ways off. No Mustangs, or Spitfires. No P-38's, or Beaufighters. But worse, the SDK is still not finalized, so it will be some months, and maybe more than a year, before there are user-created sailplanes, scenery, custom airline routes, or any of the airplanes I love the most (F-86, X-15, and so on). Plus, if you want to customize your home town, it's going to be a while. Even if you can build an airplane that satisfies all the check boxes, you may not be able to get anything working if you can't write XML. This is not the old flight sim.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Bixby on August 22, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
   From what you all have been saying, I'll hold off from 2020.

   FSX runs and looks fine on my machine. Geforce 1080 Ti, Orbix scenery, Active Sky clouds and real time weather.

   And A2A simulations aircraft are the best!

   
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: LCADolby on August 22, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
It is rather pretty, here are some of my screenies. I can run it on Medium settings on my 5 year old PC. (INTEL i5-4690K, 16GB DDR3 RAM, ASUS Z97-P, AMD Radeon R9 390 8Gb)

(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090116257004999/AFE2B3122CC089538C0B317885CF2EBC344E0C79/)
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090241450084958/7FD9B678335562C879E4AAA09736517D886173FE/)

And highly detailed
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090241451074067/2EF63F7A58DEAC9A5FA50C74C2584309A4095214/)

(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090116256525508/43EDBDADABC8377C6AAE6317FE1027E229A3E38F/)
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 22, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Waiting on the Premium Deluxe to download now.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on August 23, 2020, 08:32:23 AM
Started and looked to be about one and a half hour download. Toward the end it seemed a lot of decompressing. Ended up at two hours forty-seven minutes.

I will setup my old CH gear to fly it today.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: LCADolby on August 23, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Just remember Shuff, when playing with the weather settings be prepared for surprises of the brown trouser department

(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090241455268352/BD727E6AD571EDD9DED9B881CE57247D710A3FF0/)
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: saggs on August 24, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
Does anybody know where I can buy the physical copy?  I've found reports that they are selling it on 10 DVDs, but every store I check only has downloads.

I've got crappy internet with a 50GB monthly download limit, no way I can download it.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 24, 2020, 07:36:22 PM
Does anybody know where I can buy the physical copy?  I've found reports that they are selling it on 10 DVDs, but every store I check only has downloads.

I've got crappy internet with a 50GB monthly download limit, no way I can download it.

Your best bet is to order a physical copy through Amazon.  Most stores no longer carry physical copies of PC games, and if they do, the selection is usually very meager and out of date.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: FLS on August 24, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
AFAIK there is no physical copy available. Amazon is just selling a product download code. I've read there will be a CD version for the European market but it's not available yet.  The game is designed for a high bandwidth connection while playing but there is a low bandwidth data cap option in game settings. I would look into minimum bandwidth requirements and subsequent tradeoffs before ordering.

Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 24, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Does anybody know where I can buy the physical copy?  I've found reports that they are selling it on 10 DVDs, but every store I check only has downloads.

I've got crappy internet with a 50GB monthly download limit, no way I can download it.

Check with Aerosoft.

https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/154700-aerosoft-official-retail-partner-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/

https://www.aerosoft.com/en/microsoft-flight-simulator/

Also: Just checked it out on Bing search and Target.com has the game listed for sale on DVD, but redirects to Digital Download instead of an ordering site.

EDIT: It could be that they will not ship to the U.S. anyway, but I would still try Aerosoft.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Max on August 25, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
(I'm thinking of starting a new OC MS2020 topic, with the intention of gaining system specs from those willing to participate, and providing a means of sharing tips for maximizing user experience for those lacking a $5K gaming system  :D

Yay or nay? 
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Wiley on August 25, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Does anybody know where I can buy the physical copy?  I've found reports that they are selling it on 10 DVDs, but every store I check only has downloads.

I've got crappy internet with a 50GB monthly download limit, no way I can download it.

Might want to look into it a fair bit further, if that's your internet situation.  I believe it downloads world data on a regular basis as a matter of normal operation.  IE- the game will be constantly sending large amounts of data to you at all times during play, and it's impossible to download the whole thing (it's gigantic).

Wiley.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Spikes on August 25, 2020, 05:38:48 PM
It looks nice, but I am not particularly impressed. I have P3d and X-Plane. Out of the box, FS2020 might have some advantages, but with mods they all look about the same. The real issue is performance when the graphics settings are maxed out. I don't see FS2020 having much better performance for similar quality levels. For VR, I prefer Aerofly FS2... looks really good, runs at max fps with max quality settings. You give up a fully populated globe,  multiplayer, and any kind of animation... right down to the static textures for water, but Some of the scenery looks fantastic and some of the aircraft are modeled very well in terms of cockpits/systems/flight models... particularly the helo.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746386342229049417/747609586596577301/murbp5ay9zi51.png)
Modded X-Plane vs Stock MFS...for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 25, 2020, 08:15:03 PM
The air currents 'appear' to be a great representation of the real world. I took the Cub Crafters Cub up into the volcano NE of Naga City (RPUN) with wind layers active and it was a very bumpy ride. I would love to test it out with a sailplane, but their not available yet. One thing that I noticed in the return trip was the tower beacon being very obvious, which is a significant help in finding the airfield. That didn't help so much while flying near Hurricane Laura, but I was already unfamiliar with that location anyway. Great fun so far!
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: LCADolby on August 25, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
The weather is the best bit  :D
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1499090558654367041/52FDC772459069A8B7759D7EC6CE447770500D8D/)
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1604925190253587785/EE4CBE598C7A7E3275FEE10EC89FCDD0DBC97DD0/)
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on August 26, 2020, 01:00:33 AM
I bought the Carenado Cessna, but it has long been known the sound of the engine is awful (YES, it is). I can't stand to fly the plane because of the awful wailing! So, I tried to look at how to add my own sound . . . yeah, not going to happen. Then I went to their site and there's no way to even offer to help them.

What a mess!
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on September 15, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
I hope someone has this game.
Let's go fly...

Don't know how VOX works on this thing...

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: streakeagle on September 19, 2020, 07:48:53 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746386342229049417/747609586596577301/murbp5ay9zi51.png)
Modded X-Plane vs Stock MFS...for what it's worth.

I fly cities I visually know well:
San Diego
San Francisco
Tampa
Orlando
New York

Orlando is one of the designated hand detailed airports for MSFS2020, and it shows, but the area around it including my house is less than impressive. MSFS2020 does have the best implementation of Disney. But other than the airport tower and Disney, I would put the Orbx Orlando mod for P3d up against FS2020.

Because I lived in San Diego and San Francisco as well as flew into and out of those cities, I look for specific details. Orbx for San Diego looks awesome. I have free mods for San Diego for X-Plane that are also very good. Aerofly FS2 has a very good implementation San Diego as well.

I don't care for the way FS2020 implements Manhattan at all. When you get up close, the buildings are very accurate, but as you approach them, the lower level of detail models do not get the famous skyline right at all. New York looks very good in Aerofly FS2, but doesn't have the correct details when you get up close and compare it with actual photos.

The only area that really impresses me out in the ones I have flown in FS2020 is Tampa. I have the best Tampa International mod I can get for P3d and parts of it are very nice in the immediate area around the airport, but FS2020 is the only sim that makes MacDill AFB look anything close to what it should be like and the rest of the surrounding area has the colors and textures it should have rather than some generic FSX or Orbx textures/colors.

The key advantage to FS2020 is that you don't have to buy addons, almost the whole globe is at a level of detail that rivals many payware mods for the other sims. But if you are only interested in specific areas, there are almost always mods for the major locations that will make them look as real as you want including photoreal texturing that rival FS2020 quality, even in some of its best locations. It is just a matter of cost: time to find and install the mods, money to buy some of the payware, and frame rates because aside from Aerofly FS2, all of the sims even FS2020 pay a price for high resolution terrain meshes with his resolution textures and large numbers of 3d modeled objects with decent textures.

For me, Orbx is the benchmark for FSX/P3d/X-Plane terrain/airport mods and they even have some Aerofly FS2 addons. But they are also among the most expensive in terms of money and frame rates. Their TrueEarth line is exceptionally good. FS2020 doesn't really beat the TrueEarth areas at all. The TrueEarth line has a few problems: tremendous hard drive space for relatively small areas compared to the FS2020 option to "stream" the entire globe and inconsistency about which sims are supported. I prefer flying VR and Aerofly FS2 is THE sim for flying VR, but the only TrueEarth release is the Netherlands. Apparently, it didn't sell so well and they haven't released any more Aerofly versions. They did finally release TrueEarth for Florida, which is a big deal for me, but I haven't gotten it yet.

I don't really fly civil sims that much. To be fair, I don't fly Aces High that much, but I have far more hours in Aces High over the years than all of the civil flight sims combined. I own them primarily for the sake of trying out their technology. At least FSX/P3d has VRS TacPack so I can fly F-4 Phantoms and T-38 Talons at nearly DCS World level of systems  modeling with some combat capability. I am not impressed with the VR performance of P3d and X-Plane isn't that much better. FS2020 struggles for performance on flat panels, I presume its VR performance certainly won't be any better than P3d and X-Plane. So, it doesn't really matter too much to me which one comes out on top, just as long as there is competition to keep the tech moving forward and keep the prices as low as practical for the work that has to be done to improve the level of detail when modeling the world.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: phatzo on September 20, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
I like it, a lot of fun for just flying around. I also go and buzz the houses of known local airfield protestors.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Biggles on September 21, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
I bought the Carenado Cessna, but it has long been known the sound of the engine is awful (YES, it is). I can't stand to fly the plane because of the awful wailing! So, I tried to look at how to add my own sound . . . yeah, not going to happen. Then I went to their site and there's no way to even offer to help them.

What a mess!

I "borrowed" the Pitts Special sound folder in order to use its sounds with my converted FSX Gere Sport Biplane in MSFS. It works and sounds great. Just replaced my original sounds folder with the one from the Pitts. Easy Peazy. You should theoretically be able to do the same with your Carenado Cessna. Swap in a few of stock MSFS single engine prop sound folders to see what works for you, after first backing up the original Carenado Cessna sounds folder.  If nothing works just paste the Carenado sounds folder back where it belongs.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on September 21, 2020, 05:54:24 PM
I "borrowed" the Pitts Special sound folder in order to use its sounds with my converted FSX Gere Sport Biplane in MSFS. It works and sounds great. Just replaced my original sounds folder with the one from the Pitts. Easy Peazy. You should theoretically be able to do the same with your Carenado Cessna. Swap in a few of stock MSFS single engine prop sound folders to see what works for you, after first backing up the original Carenado Cessna sounds folder.  If nothing works just paste the Carenado sounds folder back where it belongs.

Bet it's not that simple.

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Max on September 21, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
M$ released a rather hefty patch last week, addressing numerous fixes, including a 25% reduction in time needed to get to the main screen. Since then I've had several cataclysmic experiences flying the A320 Neo...loss of avionics, hydraulics and engine flame-outs. Anyone else? I double checked realism/failure options; they were all off.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on September 22, 2020, 06:50:11 AM
Bet it's not that simple.

Coogan

I have added the free liveries that were recently released, but I have not found a sound folder for any of the aircraft. Yet.

EDIT: Spoke too soon. It looks like they are using .PCK files, which are probably a special kind of file packed with all of the sounds and a file describing how they are used. Probably best to wait for a utility.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Max on September 22, 2020, 01:04:40 PM
Challenge where did you find the free liveries?
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on September 22, 2020, 07:01:46 PM
I am about to order parts for my new rig. MSFS bogs my old rig pretty badly.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on September 22, 2020, 09:43:37 PM
Challenge where did you find the free liveries?

Here you go:  https://www.msfsaddons.org/liveries/liveries-megapack-v8?fbclid=IwAR15chUPBMkhWApRte_b8GT_bjY1uYOCF6e2FPbvsPiXBAyVkjp6Uzi9Xeo
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on September 22, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
I am about to order parts for my new rig. MSFS bogs my old rig pretty badly.

I have an X99 system that I use for video storage, image editing that still has SLI 980's onboard. I slipped in an RTX 3080 and the improvement was not mind-boggling, but there was some improvement.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on September 22, 2020, 09:53:04 PM
I am about to order parts for my new rig. MSFS bogs my old rig pretty badly.

FS2020 will bring the most worthy PC's to their knees.  If you can get 45 FPS steady, you're doing pretty good.

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on September 22, 2020, 10:52:58 PM
FS2020 will bring the most worthy PC's to their knees.  If you can get 45 FPS steady, you're doing pretty good.

Coogan

My MB and processor are the culprits. Gigabyte P55 and first gen i5. Everything else has been upgraded.
I am going with this....
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($529.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($177.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1157.96
Also grabbing a new case. I have a evga gold 1000 watt PS and RTX 2070.

A few fans never hurt either.

PS I changed the ram to 4 x 32 gig of the same brand/type.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: 100Coogn on September 22, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
My MB and processor are the culprits. Gigabyte P55 and first gen i5. Everything else has been upgraded.
I am going with this....
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($529.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($177.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1157.96
Also grabbing a new case. I have a evga gold 1000 watt PS and RTX 2070.

A few fans never hurt either.

PS I changed the ram to 4 x 32 gig of the same brand/type.

Looks like a pretty darn good build.
I'm running an EVGA RTX 2070, with 32 GB RAM as well.  I went for the 4 x 32 too.
My PSU is a Corsair 750 watt.  Couldn't find a 1000 watt in my price range at the time.
Now I'm waiting for the 3080's to be restocked.  I kinda like the Asus (https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-rtx3080-10g-gaming/p/N82E16814126453?Description=rtx%203080&cm_re=rtx_3080-_-14-126-453-_-Product) model.

Coogan
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Lusche on September 23, 2020, 08:58:36 AM
FS2020 will bring the most worthy PC's to their knees.

But most surprisingly, I got it to run on my 2GB GTX 950. Of course at low settings and 720p   :D
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Shuffler on September 23, 2020, 09:32:32 AM
It runs on my main machine with the first gen i5 and gigabyte P55 MB with the RTX 2070..... just not very well.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Biggles on September 23, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
Bet it's not that simple.

Coogan

I wouldn't have posted that if it hadn't worked for me. In my case, I was dealing with two very similar types of airplanes. Now, if the plane on the receiving end of "borrowed" sounds needed all sorts of sounds over and above a simple biplane (an airliner for example), then it would have been problematic.  The Pitts and Gere Sport don't have retractable landing gear, spoilers, flaps, etc. Very simple. And that's why it worked for me with no problems. The only negative is that the Pitts has a much more powerful engine than the C-90 Continental engine in the Gere Sport, so it makes the Gere Sport sound like it has a 300hp Lycoming in it. The SDK mentions the specified third-party sound editor that must be used to create sound packages, so I could theoretically edit the borrowed Pitts sounds to tweak that a bit.  With MSFS we can no longer use "aliases" to make the plane use another plane's sounds without copying the sound files into the destination folder.  So it's either make your own according to the SDK, or borrow the "sound" folder from a plane that's similar.
Title: Re: Flight Simulator 2020
Post by: Chalenge on September 23, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
I wouldn't have posted that if it hadn't worked for me. In my case, I was dealing with two very similar types of airplanes. Now, if the plane on the receiving end of "borrowed" sounds needed all sorts of sounds over and above a simple biplane (an airliner for example), then it would have been problematic.  The Pitts and Gere Sport don't have retractable landing gear, spoilers, flaps, etc. Very simple. And that's why it worked for me with no problems. The only negative is that the Pitts has a much more powerful engine than the C-90 Continental engine in the Gere Sport, so it makes the Gere Sport sound like it has a 300hp Lycoming in it. The SDK mentions the specified third-party sound editor that must be used to create sound packages, so I could theoretically edit the borrowed Pitts sounds to tweak that a bit.  With MSFS we can no longer use "aliases" to make the plane use another plane's sounds without copying the sound files into the destination folder.  So it's either make your own according to the SDK, or borrow the "sound" folder from a plane that's similar.

Where can we find this SDK, or better yet the specified third-party editor?

EDIT: NVM, I found it. Hard to navigate through the DevMode ribbon.