General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pops04 on August 24, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
Title: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: pops04 on August 24, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
I would like to have these two aircraft added to the WW1 roster. 1: Spad. 2: Pfalz. Both of these aircraft saw use throughout the WW1 war though granted by the middle of the war they were trying to phase out these warbirds. They were never truly phased out of the WW1 arsenal. I am asking for these aircraft because we are seeing more people in the WW1 arena and some are asking “are these the only planes we have?” I regrettably have to tell them that’s it. No other aircraft.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: TryHard on August 24, 2020, 06:21:08 PM
If any aircraft get added (doubtful) they should be in the WW2 planeset IMO as it gets used the most.
WW1 is fun an all dont get me wrong, but I'd much rather have fiat g55 or J2M over a WW1 aircraft
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 24, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CfR938m.png)
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Volron on August 24, 2020, 07:03:58 PM
How does being happy if anything gets added equate to eating my hat? :old:
Bacon hat; and because it's made of bacon? Besides, I got a laugh outta this. No rhyme or reason, just funny. :rofl Ye be cool beans. :aok
But sadly, I've derailed the hell outta this one. So let me put it back on topic:
Honestly it wouldn't be a bad thing if more WWI aircraft are added, but I don't see it going very far for the time invested. If there was more depth to the arena, maybe. To my understanding the modeling behind those aircraft is much higher than those used in the WW2 side, so the time invested into a new WWI aircraft will likely not be worth it sadly. :( Would be neat still. :aok
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 24, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
To my understanding the modeling behind those aircraft is much higher than those used in the WW2 side, so the time invested into a new WWI aircraft will likely not be worth it sadly. :( Would be neat still. :aok
I guess it would depend on where they end up. Around a field would be pointless since the AA is death and you'd likely see someone gripe about them being in the way. Dotted around the map, maybe, but how many would be around?
I'd have to say a dirigible or two of some kind would probably be a better add in that case. Far enough from each other as to not engage one another, but close enough with a flight path that meant you'd either have to take time to fly around them or shoot them down.
If that aircraft is a bomber, I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. :D
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: perdue3 on August 25, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
Albatros D.Va
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Chalenge on August 26, 2020, 02:40:07 AM
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 26, 2020, 07:36:02 AM
Per the OP's original request:
SPAD (no specific model: VII, XII, XIII)
(https://i.imgur.com/1GunIgs.png) SPAD XIII - late war fighter
PFalz D.III
(https://i.imgur.com/eLh2aLr.png) PFalz D.III - late war fighter (considered inferior to the Albatross)
Per Perdue:
Albatross D.Va
(https://i.imgur.com/Nk6g4xS.png) Albatross D.Va - late war fighter
Per me:
Royal Aircraft S.E.5
(https://i.imgur.com/R6BJkMG.png) S.E.5 - late war fighter
If all 4 models were modeled that would double the current inventory.
(https://i.imgur.com/RMIdvVo.png)
But even one of these models may be quite a bit of work. ShruG :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Volron on August 26, 2020, 07:37:43 AM
I was just thinking what the counter to the Albatross would be, and I couldn't help but think the SE5. :D
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: pops04 on August 26, 2020, 07:45:27 AM
Alto: I was initially looking at the Spad XIII and instead of the Pfalz the D5a. It gives some of the guys in the arena a little more variety of aircraft. After all the aircraft in the Main Arena I figure at least 6 in the WW1 arena isn’t much to ask. Plus M/A has GV’s and boats. And this is a flight sim. Not just WW2.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: perdue3 on August 26, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Pfalz D.III would not be a good fit in our WWI Arena, it would have to be the Pfalz D. XII. Same goes for the SPAD, the VII is not a good fit, would need to be a XIII. But, the SPAD would taint the game play in there not unlike the Bristol currently does.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: pops04 on August 26, 2020, 01:15:28 PM
Perdue the Bristol is a flying tank with a tail gunner. It is also faster than all other aircraft in WW1 granted it don’t have the roll ratio that the other aircraft due but still. The facts show. As per the Spad XIII it can out dive other A/C without snapping the wings off. And the Fokker D5 is a good all around aircraft. Comparatively near the D7.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 26, 2020, 02:16:25 PM
And the Fokker D5 is a good all around aircraft. Comparatively near the D7.
"Operational history
Deliveries commenced in January 1917. Due to the low-compression Oberursel U.I, the D.V offered poor performance compared to the Albatros fighters. The D.V saw little active service and most aircraft were relegated to fighter training schools. When the Fokker Dr.I entered service in late 1917, small numbers of D.V aircraft were issued to squadrons for use as conversion trainers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_D.V
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: CptTrips on August 26, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
Sure, it would be nice.
But obviously, I don't think there is any chance that would happen.
But it never hurts to ask. ;)
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: ONTOS on August 28, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
SPAD XIII and Albatros D III. and the Fiat G55 ……………………………. OH...... wrong war :uhoh
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 28, 2020, 05:31:26 PM
Why the DIII and not the DVa?
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: pops04 on August 28, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
Well everyone I appreciate all the constructive inputs but I guess this is a dead subject. I was just trying to boost the roster by adding couple of new planes. But I guess that ain’t gonna happen. After the melee arena gets all the toys and WW1 is stuck with 4 aircraft. So it goes. :salute :cheers: Pops
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 28, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Hey. It's good to dream. I tell myself that HT wouldn't leave the 'wishlist' sub-forum open if there was no chance in hades and new model toys are always a possibility (amongst the various forms of wishes), even if slim. :cheers:
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: ONTOS on August 30, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
From what I understand, even going to the D Va, wing structural problems still existed. For the most part, pilots still preferred the D III. ( I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.)
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: pops04 on August 30, 2020, 04:05:17 PM
Well onto no matter what I believe that the possibility of getting any new aircraft for WW1 is pretty much dead. Kind of sux but all the new stuff goes to the Melee arena. You know they have multitudes off aircraft tanks and boats. WW1 we have 4 different aircraft. End of story.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 30, 2020, 04:07:08 PM
Well onto no matter what I believe that the possibility of getting any new aircraft for WW1 is pretty much dead. Kind of sux but all the new stuff goes to the Melee arena. You know they have multitudes off aircraft tanks and boats. WW1 we have 4 different aircraft. End of story.
New stuff?
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 30, 2020, 04:10:29 PM
The Bréguet 14 was a French biplane bomber and reconnaissance aircraft of World War I. It was built in very large numbers and production continued for many years after the end of the war.
Apart from its widespread usage, the Bréguet 14 is known for being among the first mass-produced aircraft to use large amounts of metal, rather than wood, in its structure. This allowed the airframe to be lighter than a wooden airframe of the same strength, in turn making the aircraft relatively fast and agile for its size; in combat it was able to outrun many contemporary fighters. The Bréguet 14's strong construction allowed it to sustain considerable damage, in addition to being easy to handle and possessing favourable performance. The type has often been considered to have been one of the best aircraft of the war.
General characteristics
Crew: 2
Length: 8.870 m (29 ft 1 in) Upper wingspan: 14.364 m (47 ft 2 in) with original ailerons 14.86 m (48.8 ft) with balanced ailerons Lower wingspan: 13.664 m (44 ft 10 in) with original ailerons 13.284 m (43.58 ft) with balanced ailerons Height: 3.33 m (10 ft 11 in) Wing area: 50.2 m2 (540 sq ft) with original ailerons 48.5 m2 (522 sq ft) with balanced ailerons Airfoil: Eiffel 4.6%[25] Empty weight: 1,017 kg (2,242 lb) Gross weight: 1,769 kg (3,900 lb)
Propellers: 2-bladed Ratier série 34 fixed-pitch wooden propeller, 2.940 m (9 ft 8 in) diameter with Renault 12F engines (2-bladed Ratier série 34 fixed-pitch wooden propeller with Liberty L-12 engine)
Performance
Maximum speed: 195 km/h (121 mph, 105 kn) Endurance: 2 hours 45 minutes Service ceiling: 6,200 m (20,300 ft) Rate of climb: 4.867 m/s (958.1 ft/min) Time to altitude: ::2,000 m (6,600 ft) in 9 minutes 15 seconds 3,000 m (9,800 ft) in 16 minutes 30 seconds 5,000 m (16,000 ft) in 47 minutes Wing loading: 32 kg/m2 (6.6 lb/sq ft) (at max. takeoff weight) Power/mass: 0.15 kW/kg (0.09 hp/lb) (at max. takeoff weight)
Armament
Guns: 1 × fixed 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Vickers machine gun + 2 × flexible 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Lewis Gun on T.O.3 or T.O.4 mount for the observer
Bombs: up to 355 kg (783 lb) of bombs, typically 32x 8 kg (18 lb) 115mm bombs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A9guet_14
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: ONTOS on August 30, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
Very nice posters. I have always liked WW I planes. I an particularly interested in how the rotary engines worked.
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Arlo on August 30, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
I find them fascinating, myself. The technology for its day amazes me.
(https://i.gifer.com/8Aki.gif)
Title: Re: Add two new aircraft to the WW1arena
Post by: Volron on August 30, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
I want to fly all of them, especially the bombers. :joystick: :D
Title: new aircraft to the WW1arena: Nieuports
Post by: Arlo on August 31, 2020, 09:26:59 PM
The Nieuport 28 C.1, a French biplane fighter aircraft flown during World War I, was built by Nieuport and designed by Gustave Delage. Owing its lineage to the successful line of sesquiplane fighters that included the Nieuport 17, the Nieuport 28 continued a similar design philosophy of a lightweight and highly maneuverable aircraft.
By the time the Nieuport 28 was available, the SPAD XIII had been chosen to equip the escadrilles de chasse of the Aéronautique Militaire for 1918, and this fighter was also the first choice for the projected American "pursuit" squadrons.[2] In the event, a shortage of SPADs led to Nieuport 28s being issued to four American squadrons between March and August 1918, becoming the first aircraft to see operational service with an American fighter squadron.
Nieuport 28s saw considerable post-war service: in particular 50 were "returned" to America, and as well as army and naval service these found civilian use, especially in Hollywood films.
The Nieuport 27 (or Nieuport XXVII C.1 in contemporary sources) was a World War I French sesquiplane fighter aircraft designed by Gustave Delage. The 27 was the last of the line of Nieuport "V-strut" single seat fighters that began with the Nieuport 10 of 1914. Operational examples supplemented the very similar Nieuport 24 and 24bis in operational squadrons in late 1917 and many would also be used as advanced trainers.
The Nieuport 24 (or Nieuport XXIV C.1 in contemporary sources) was a World War I French sesquiplane fighter aircraft designed by Gustave Delage as a development of the successful Nieuport 17.
The Nieuport 24 had the misfortune to be the penultimate design suited to tactics that were being superseded when it entered service. Its small size, relatively light weight and small engine gave it a significant manoeuvrability advantage in a dog fight; however, larger and heavier fighters that relied almost entirely on speed such as the SPAD VII and Albatros D.III were entering service along with the introduction of ever larger combat formations, which generally negated its manoeuvrability. While its handling was improved slightly, its performance was little better than the previous Nieuport 23 it was meant to replace, and so it was operated alongside larger numbers of the SPAD S.VII, although in November 1917, out of a French frontline fighter strength of 754 aircraft, Nieuports still made up 310 aircraft.[1] Operational Nieuport 24s served with French, British and Russian units, and the type also served widely as an advanced trainer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuport_24
The Nieuport 17 C.1 (or Nieuport XVII C.1 in contemporary sources) was a French sesquiplane fighter designed and manufactured by the Nieuport company during World War I. An improvement over the Nieuport 11, it was a little larger than earlier Nieuports and better adapted to the more powerful engine than the interim Nieuport 16. Aside from early examples, it had the new Alkan-Hamy synchronization gear, permitting the use of a fuselage-mounted synchronised Vickers gun firing through the propeller disc.
At the time of its introduction in March 1916, the type's outstanding manoeuvrability and excellent rate of climb gave it a significant advantage over fighters on both sides and was described as "the best pursuit plane of the day".[1][2] It was used by many operators and entered service with every Allied power and copies were also operated by the Deutsche Luftstreitkräfte (German Air Service). Mass-produced by several French firms, the Nieuport 17 and its derivatives were built under licence in Italy by Nieuport-Macchi and in Russia by Dux. Unlicenced copies, notably the Siemens-Schuckert D.I and the Euler D.I, were produced in Germany.
The Nieuport 16 C.1 (or Nieuport XVI C.1 in contemporary sources)[note 1] was a French World War I single-seat sesquiplane fighter aircraft, designed by Gustave Delage as a development of the Nieuport 11 with a more powerful engine. The Nieuport 16's service life coincided with the period when the first air-to-air rockets, the Le Prieur rocket, were used most frequently, and the type has a closer association with them than any other aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuport_16
Title: Add new aircraft to the WW1 arena: Albatross DV
Post by: Arlo on September 01, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
"Without question, the German combat machine of the Great War that we should be remembering more than any other..."
By the second half of 1916, Germany needed a new fighting scout to take over from the Fokker E.III 'Eindekker' which had enjoyed a period of superiority but which was by then, coming to an end. Various heavier and better armed machines had emerged but failed to deliver the performance that was required until the new Albatros D.I appeared in August of that year. Designed by Robert Thelen, the new fighter featured two 7.92 mm Spandau machine guns and a 160hp Mercedes engine which combined gave it superior firepower and superior climb and cruise speeds. By the end of 1916, over 50 D.Is were active over the front, but Albatros had already introduced the improved model D.II. This featured a revised layout between the cockpit area and the upper mainplane, substantially improving visibility for the pilot. Another improvement was the deletion of the bulky fuselage-mounted radiators in favour of a flush wing mounted unit. Over 200 DIIs were already in service by January 1917, but not wanting to rest on their laurels, Albatros engineers had already produced the next revision, the D.III, such was the demand to constantly improve the combat aircraft of the time in order to maintain that edge.
(https://i.imgur.com/MS2S00R.png)
The Albatros D.III introduced the distinctive 'V' strut braced sesquiplane arrangement borrowed from the French Nieuport scouts. This served the design well providing even further improved speed and climb performance from the D.II. Throughout 1917, Albatros D.IIIs enjoyed sustained success over the front and production of this model continued until early 1918, even though the new D.V and D.Va began to appear at the front in July.
A model D.IV had been developed with a more rounded fuselage compared with the earlier models which were flat sided. The D.IV also featured a return to D.II style equal chord wings however performance was uninspiring and the engine installation gave trouble so the model was not pursued although its fuselage was retained for the D.V series which returned to the 'V' strut wing layout. Some structural problems encountered by the D.III persisted with the D.V however the D.Va introduced heavier spars and visible steel tube braces between the lower front strut and the leading edge of the lower wing and this helped considerably although it did not eliminate the problem completely in some elements of combat flying. Over 4,600 Albatros D series fighting scouts were built of which just two survive today, both D.Va’s and these are to be found at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. and at the Australian War Memorial, Canberra.