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Title: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 20, 2020, 12:46:39 AM
OK, 2019 was last year. Time for this year.
(The 2019 topic was locked. Maybe because it was nominally for 2019 or maybe because it had too much Covid discussion. Anyway, we can have the 2020 topic and keep it as best we can on football and see if we can keep it from being locked.)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 20, 2020, 02:11:36 AM
Don't bet week 1 in the B1G, lots of unexpected things will happen this year. Also, the nation's best collegiate wideout (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29961710/purdue-wr-rondale-moore-opts-back-2020-season) is at Purdue.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2020, 02:50:33 AM
cowboys lost again. ordered a cowboys tshirt so I can burn it. guess since that movie old miss is for me.
semp
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 20, 2020, 03:30:12 AM
I'm looking forward to Michigan at Minnesota.
I'm interested to see how it goes for the Wolverines with so many new starters.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on October 20, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Lost to UK at home, I am done.
Champions League today, though. Lots of good matchups :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on October 20, 2020, 12:06:10 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RotBaron on October 27, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
UT seems to be on our local TV almost every week.
ISU and KSU were Saturday
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RotBaron on October 27, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
Looks like MW will only play other teams in the conference. Are the BIG conferences playing agains each other? And is it expected to have a national championship?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 27, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Everyone is sticking to just their own conferences I think, so they can agree on the rules.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 28, 2020, 11:01:36 AM
And Wisconsin - Nebraska is cancelled, and the next few Wisconsin games, including against my team, Purdue, are in doubt.
And I'm not really worried about the players, its by now shown to be highly improbable they'll have any long-lasting effects. Its the older people in the program who are at risk. And 6 staff members on Wisconsin are infected right now:
Also, the Dodgers pulled some shenanigans last night with the infected pitcher playing anyways in the World Series. The whole his test didn't come back until he pitched most of the innings he was going to pitch, I don't believe for a second. Someone got payed to bottle that up until later.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on October 28, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
Michigan looks good. Excited for more, Go Blue!
:salute
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on October 28, 2020, 03:32:36 PM
A&M plays Arkansas this week. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 29, 2020, 11:44:48 PM
Seeing more and more talk of Nebraska leaving the Big Ten because they hate all the conference decisions. Would be a good time to pick up Notre Dame or Vanderbilt or some other school with an actual educational program. Also an athletic program. Since joining the B1G Nebraska has been good in... volleyball? I think that's it.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2020, 03:12:59 AM
And Wisconsin - Nebraska is cancelled, and the next few Wisconsin games, including against my team, Purdue, are in doubt.
Purdue had a great game! <S>
Wisconsin isn't required to cancel any games currently. They chose to cancel against Nebraska. So if there aren't a lot more Covid positives before the Purdue game, they could choose to play it.
But it would be without all the players who recently got a positive Covid test. All those guys are out 21 days from date of 1st positive test. They would be playing Purdue with the 4th-string QB.
Mertz isn't back until either Michigan game or one after that (depending on whether that test happened last Saturday or Sunday).
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 31, 2020, 01:48:01 AM
If they cancelled on their own it should be a forfeit instead of a no contest. You'd think for whatever week the 21 day things expired they could change the date to play it Sunday or Monday.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on October 31, 2020, 02:26:46 PM
Purdue wins, goes 2-0, Illinois plays their 4th and 5th string QBs, the 4th string was by far the best passer.
Wisconsin next on the schedule, if they play they also will be down to the 4th string I think.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 01, 2020, 02:59:26 AM
If they cancelled on their own it should be a forfeit instead of a no contest. You'd think for whatever week the 21 day things expired they could change the date to play it Sunday or Monday.
Such cancellations in these days of Covid are ruled by Big 10 a "no contest" and not counted as a loss -- same as if there were just no game.
I don't think teams have much ability to change dates.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 01, 2020, 03:12:02 AM
Ug.
Wolverines lose -- at home -- to unranked Michigan State, which was just off a loss to Rutgers.
Favored by more than 20 points, but end up losing by 3.
:cry
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on November 01, 2020, 05:45:15 AM
A&M easily wins over Arkansas. Offense looked great.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on November 01, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
My beloved Wolverines are having a very tough year so far. :cry
Head coach doesn’t have much longer up there
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 09, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
Maybe he and the Lions HC can have an asterisk year for this asterisk season.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on November 09, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
I get a kick out of the companies using covid as an excuse for their poor service. The same poor service we get when there is no covid.
Don't see any good teams using that excuse.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 10, 2020, 11:31:44 AM
It will be interesting to see how the bowls deal with picking 2-6 Power 5 teams over the 6-2 mid major teams this year, considering the Power 5 didn't get to hand out their yearly drubbings.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on November 10, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
Well LSU and A&M have a few positives on team. More test will tell if they are false or not.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 10, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
Man, the Big 10 this year . . . Ohio State still looks great, but the rest of the conference is upside down in bizarro land. Indiana (3-0) is now ranked #10 in nation. Maryland beat Minnesota and then obliterated Penn State. Michigan is 1-2 and unranked. Penn State is 0-3 and unranked.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 10, 2020, 10:40:59 PM
Old Oaken Bucket game is the big game this year.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2020, 07:35:51 AM
A&M vs Tennessee rescheduled 12.12.2020.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 15, 2020, 05:42:10 PM
Both state of Michigan B1G schools look like they belong in the MAC.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 15, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
For Michigan State, folks were expecting a rough year (although perhaps not this rough). They had a difficult change of coaches, leaving the team in a tough spot, with a disrupted the program, recruiting class, and replenishment of players.
For Michigan (and Penn State, and to a lesser extent LSU), it is shocking. Those programs have plenty of good players, plenty of resources, and highly experienced coaches and staff. Whatever the coaching staff did to get the team ready for this season, it clearly didn't work.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 15, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
Or maybe the covid stuff really disrupted their usual skirting of the rules regarding practices, etc.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 16, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
Or it could be that Michigan has new guys at QB, both WR, both CB, and entire offensive line -- combined with with far less practice than normal seasons, and lack of non-Big 10 games at the start to serve as adjustment period.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 16, 2020, 11:03:08 AM
Well sure, but multiple powers flipping places with multiple doormats across the conference is weird.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 16, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
Well sure, but multiple powers flipping places with multiple doormats across the conference is weird.
Totally weird. Like nearing worst in program history weird. Michigan fans are in shock. Penn State fans probably, too.
I'm thinking that Michigan is used to using more-complicated defensive and offensive systems. This year had way less practice than usual; the team is nearly all younger, newer guys; and they have losses at some critical spots. I think they went for deploying their usual system, and it fell flat on its face under those conditions.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 20, 2020, 05:19:08 PM
He made some great plays. I'm hoping it continues through the Penn State game. :aok
Hes hurt and Joe is getting worse :bolt:
We need a qb! Save Cade for Ohio and get ready for next year.
All this talk of get rid of Jim is a bad bad idea, inflated by our enemies.
Go Blue!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 29, 2020, 09:44:01 PM
Michigan was cursed in that game.
Especially with the new 1st string QB getting injured in his 1st start for the team.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on November 30, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
To me , and I'm not saying I don't like to see college football, this is a throw away season. To many games lost due to Covid. Preparation was almost nill depending in which conference you play in.
I think we can all agree that some of the teams that are now ranked wouldn't get the attention they do this year. I agree it's fun to see different teams being ranked and actually getting to see them play
on TV. Even if my Buckeyes make the playoffs, and they may not due to Covid. To me it is plainly a lost season. I'll complement the winner of the playoffs. Then I'll just shrug.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on November 30, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
Well to be fair CFP is a joke anyway.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 30, 2020, 01:58:32 PM
Lookin like Alabama is going to be very tough to beat anyway.
I sorta agree with Hajo that this is sorta of a fluke season really.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on November 30, 2020, 08:36:54 PM
To me , and I'm not saying I don't like to see college football, this is a throw away season. To many games lost due to Covid. Preparation was almost nill depending in which conference you play in.
I think we can all agree that some of the teams that are now ranked wouldn't get the attention they do this year. I agree it's fun to see different teams being ranked and actually getting to see them play
on TV. Even if my Buckeyes make the playoffs, and they may not due to Covid. To me it is plainly a lost season. I'll complement the winner of the playoffs. Then I'll just shrug.
They put noise on our tv. Dead silence vs. 100,000 fans makes a difference. Restrictions with practice, opt outs, limited schedule. Far from a normal year.
Fun to watch but I'm ready for next year. Michigan will be a little older. Two more games and one against Ohio. Looking forward to it, Go Blue!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on November 30, 2020, 08:49:26 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 12, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Wow... the Gators are so stupid. Our defense literally screws us again and our kicker misses the kick of his life. All at their own stadium. Just pure devastation.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 13, 2020, 04:40:46 AM
My 10-year-old daughter's favorite team is the Gators since she was about 5.
She has always loved alligators.
As badly as you are feeling right now, consider that at least the Gators are not having the year the Wolverines are having. Maybe it can help you feel a little better. :uhoh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 13, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
My 10-year-old daughter's favorite team is the Gators since she was about 5.
She has always loved alligators.
As badly as you are feeling right now, consider that at least the Gators are not having the year the Wolverines are having. Maybe it can help you feel a little better. :uhoh
Haha that's pretty cool. Thats also one reason I like them a lot myself. My father worked at UF in the laser lab for some time. I adopted it as "my team" for the college sports world because of it. (Coolest day of my middle school career was walking into my science class with a lazer guitar for my science project 😎)
I wonder what that guys punishment is for throwing the shoe. Our defense wasn't going to beat Alabama anyway.
Michigan certainly imploded. Do yall have a new team or QB? It is a weird season though so perhaps just a fluke. You know Jim Harbaugh is beating their prettythanges into shape right now.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 14, 2020, 12:08:47 AM
Haha that's pretty cool. Thats also one reason I like them a lot myself. My father worked at UF in the laser lab for some time. I adopted it as "my team" for the college sports world because of it. (Coolest day of my middle school career was walking into my science class with a lazer guitar for my science project 😎)
I wonder what that guys punishment is for throwing the shoe. Our defense wasn't going to beat Alabama anyway.
Michigan certainly imploded. Do yall have a new team or QB? It is a weird season though so perhaps just a fluke. You know Jim Harbaugh is beating their prettythanges into shape right now.
He was not punished at all from what I have read. The coach does not hold him responsible and even says the player should not feel responsible.. The gators were beat because they played poorly. The shoe thing was just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 14, 2020, 12:11:59 AM
Both. The team lost (to the NFL, graduation, and opt out) last year's starting QB, last year's starting offensive line, last year's starting defensive line, and both starting cornerbacks.
Then injury took a bunch of 2020's starters, including the two top offensive linemen, the two top defensive linemen, and the top linebacker. And then the starting QB. Then a bunch of people on the team got Covid, and they had to cancel their last two games.
I think that they have a lot of talented guys, including at QB, but 2020 was cursed for them.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on December 14, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
As I said before, this season is a throwaway because of the virus. The opt-outs as well as injuries and the virus has made the season uncertain at best. I am a Buckeye fan and I really put an asterisk on the season. I don't really care at this point who makes or wins the CFB Championship. To many variables for my taste. Truth is I really don't care if the Buckeyes are successful because of the uncertainty of the season for all Colleges.
Just my opinion..........it's like voting for Barry Bonds for the baseball HOF. No way he and others like him belong in that hallowed institution.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 14, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
Haha that's pretty cool. Thats also one reason I like them a lot myself. My father worked at UF in the laser lab for some time. I adopted it as "my team" for the college sports world because of it. (Coolest day of my middle school career was walking into my science class with a lazer guitar for my science project 😎)
We have a $1.3 mil Trumpf 5040 CO2 Laser. Cuts up to 1" thick metals. It can run lights out, load and unload all by itself.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on December 14, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
B1G should have just played football in the spring like they once planned. Get everyone vaccinated then have a real season. This season was a sad mockery.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 16, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Alas, no Michigan/Iowa game either.
Michigan got several of its top targets on today's signing day, though, so I'm happy about that.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on December 16, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
Michigan got several of its top targets on today's signing day, though, so I'm happy about that.
Brooke being a Youngstown State Alum and a Buckeye Fan, the Buckeyes have an incredible list of 2021 recruits. This list is better then Urban Meyer ever had according to some pundits.
Now.........you may think this weird being as I am a Buckeye Fan. I would love NOTHING better then seeing the team up north improve to it's former glory. It matter of factly is good for the BIG.
We've got great coaches in Iowa, Penn State, Indiana and Northwestern and even Purdue, Maryland and Rutgers are improving. I am a Browns fan since the 50's. But I enjoy College football more then I do the NFL.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2020, 10:32:57 AM
Brooke being a Youngstown State Alum and a Buckeye Fan, the Buckeyes have an incredible list of 2021 recruits. This list is better then Urban Meyer ever had according to some pundits.
Now.........you may think this weird being as I am a Buckeye Fan. I would love NOTHING better then seeing the team up north improve to it's former glory. It matter of factly is good for the BIG.
We've got great coaches in Iowa, Penn State, Indiana and Northwestern and even Purdue, Maryland and Rutgers are improving. I am a Browns fan since the 50's. But I enjoy College football more then I do the NFL.
There is ONLY college football in my book. It has always been better, it is now the only show in town for some time now.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on December 17, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Colin Kaepernick was protesting systemic racism, not disrespecting the flag or our troops. Get it right.
He just disrespected our flag and troops as his protest. Not only that, he did it during football......... not what folks came to see. He is a worthless idiot.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 18, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
Remember, only black activist are allowed to throw "white supremacist" hand signs. Remember how they acted when Tebow kneeled for God? Theres your sign these people are evil and want destroy our faith and sports. Kaepernick is just another clown for DS agenda to divide Americans with "racism" in the most diverse country on the planet with the most diverse wealthy athletes on the planet.
He just disrespected our flag and troops as his protest. Not only that, he did it during football......... not what folks came to see. He is a worthless idiot.
No, people who think he was disrespecting the flag or our troops by kneeling are worthless idiots. Also, I knew that this is what it was about. I just forced you to skip the middle step of denying it (why you stopped watching the NFL).
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 18, 2020, 05:46:48 PM
No, people who think he was disrespecting the flag or our troops by kneeling are worthless idiots. Also, I knew that this is what it was about. I just forced you to skip the middle step of denying it (why you stopped watching the NFL).
The ratings said otherwise buddy.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on December 18, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
No, people who think he was disrespecting the flag or our troops by kneeling are worthless idiots. Also, I knew that this is what it was about. I just forced you to skip the middle step of denying it (why you stopped watching the NFL).
Your ignorance shows you do not care about the country either.
Have someone explain it to you in small words just when he was kneeling.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on December 20, 2020, 06:22:12 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on December 21, 2020, 12:37:05 AM
I'll root for just about anyone playing against Notre Dame.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on December 21, 2020, 12:44:17 AM
:rofl
How on earth did Notre dame get in over Cincinnati. Wowzers. What a sham. Did one forth quarter touchdown do it? It looked to me they got beat start to finish. Money money money.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 21, 2020, 07:18:06 AM
How did Ohio get in with playing half its games?
AL vs FL was a much better game than it should have been given who are now in the playooffs IMO
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: zack1234 on December 21, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
This is the game where they hold the ball and call it football. Invented in a country where they put syrup on bacon, this is like putting tomatoe sauce on apple pie.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on December 21, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
Not college football but still important and applicable. Gotta keep close track of this for all college sports to at least let the athletes know what additional risks they're taking if they keep playing post- covid infection.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: zack1234 on December 23, 2020, 04:15:34 AM
Colin Kaepernick was protesting systemic racism, not disrespecting the flag or our troops. Get it right.
The FACT that systemic racism is myth is irrelevant to you people.
Where is the damn evidence, just one piece?
Show the evidence!
There are no laws in the US that are racist not one.....FACT
MILLIONAIRE celebrities are degenerates
Lewis Hamilton F1 driver taking the knee while living in a european tax haven and driving for Mercedes Benz who used slave labour is how degenerate you people are.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 23, 2020, 06:29:21 AM
Not college football but still important and applicable. Gotta keep close track of this for all college sports to at least let the athletes know what additional risks they're taking if they keep playing post- covid infection.
Kids have died on the field long before covid.
Here is one for you.... my wife's mother recently was in the hospital for pneumonia in one lung. She tested negative for covid, standard test while in hospital. After release, her paperwork says... pneumonia, covid related.
Absolutely false and fraudulent.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 23, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
Invented in a country where they put syrup on bacon
Not all of us! I like my syrup on my pancakes or waffles only.
I also like French toast, though -- I'm not sure how Zack would feel about that.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: zack1234 on December 23, 2020, 10:42:39 PM
Britain demands reparations from Emperor Claudias in AD73
The Bushman of South Africa demand reparations from the Zulus who invaded their land in 1734
I demand rights to be left alone and not have anything of anyone for nothing.
Do we all get free things of Biden for allowing him to sniff kids?
How did he get voted in?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on December 24, 2020, 05:34:20 AM
I think it was the playoff committee that also works the media. They control the narrative, and the vote.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 24, 2020, 03:57:25 PM
After this year's disaster of a season, Michigan will be getting a new defensive coordinator.
I don't know if that is good.
Using NCAA total defense, Don Brown (the former defensive coordinator) produced great defenses in 2016-2019 (#1 in 2016, #3 in 2017, #2 in 2018, #11 in 2019).
But Michigan had the #88 in 2020. And they were blown out by Ohio State in 2018 and 2019.
It could very well be that Michigan is getting rid of a very, very good defensive coordinator whose demise is two particularly bad games and a perfect-storm season in 2020.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 25, 2020, 05:11:23 AM
This years championship will be Alabama vs Clemson. No other team made the top 4.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on December 25, 2020, 05:20:36 AM
After this year's disaster of a season, Michigan will be getting a new defensive coordinator.
I don't know if that is good.
Using NCAA total defense, Don Brown (the former defensive coordinator) produced great defenses in 2016-2019 (#1 in 2016, #3 in 2017, #2 in 2018, #11 in 2019).
But Michigan had the #88 in 2020. And they were blown out by Ohio State in 2018 and 2019.
It could very well be that Michigan is getting rid of a very, very good defensive coordinator whose demise is two particularly bad games and a perfect-storm season in 2020.
I'd get rid of gathis before brown. The offence was crap. The defence did not play well for the scheme. Lack of effective pressure and leaving the secondary vulnerable. Better talent would help, they had a top ten defensive up to this year, under brown.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on December 27, 2020, 04:27:22 PM
The FACT that systemic racism is myth is irrelevant to you people.
Where is the damn evidence, just one piece?
Show the evidence!
You don't need evidence when you have the media and Hollywood to help push your agenda or squelch the oppositions. BLM' agenda goes way beyond the welfare of black people. I can assure you.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: zack1234 on December 28, 2020, 05:42:37 AM
Black people dont need welfare they need jobs.
That organisation is a political tool for the power elites.
It is a white billionaire funded mechanism to perpetuate a myth of systematic racism..fact
If you watch CNN and the BBC you deserve the forthcoming Chinese Created economic recession, what recession you liberals say?
All these restrictions and lockdowns are a precursor to this recession, you so called liberals will need controlling when you cannot buy your new ipad and all your investment portfolios are worth nothing...fact
Peace deals in the Middle East has nothing to do with Trump, the Arabs are bankrupt you morons they will sign anything for coin.
Watching a business who lets its employees virtue signal everytime they make their millions is hilarious, go give them your money.
Lewis Hamilton another billionaire virtue signalling while driving for. Mercedes Benz, they DID use slave labour in WWII, the hypocrisy.
Freedom of Speech! Down with Communism! If you dont agree go live in North Korea.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2020, 06:12:35 AM
Go Blue!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 28, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
GO BIG ORANGE That is Tennessee Vols-Big Orange dont take it political :rofl We have a descent BBALL team :x
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on December 28, 2020, 05:20:52 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 29, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
Speaking of College Football. IDK what you guys think but UC should of had a better shot than be given The Peach Bowl against Georgia.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on December 29, 2020, 04:11:29 PM
Whole system needs to be blown up. If they don't want it blown up they need to expand playoff to eight teams minimum with only spots given to conference champions. Aren't eligible to win your conference? Aren't in a conference? Lost your conference title game? Then you're not in.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 29, 2020, 04:15:45 PM
Whole system needs to be blown up. If they don't want it blown up they need to expand playoff to eight teams minimum with only spots given to conference champions. Aren't eligible to win your conference? Aren't in a conference? Lost your conference title game? Then you're not in.
I watched a bowl game the other day and they all looked like high school players. Not a really big player in the bunch.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 29, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
Whole system needs to be blown up. If they don't want it blown up they need to expand playoff to eight teams minimum with only spots given to conference champions. Aren't eligible to win your conference? Aren't in a conference? Lost your conference title game? Then you're not in.
Expansion to eight is coming. Too many players not on playoff teams are opting out, causing disinterest in their team's bowl game. Last I checked, we (Florida) had 6-7 players sitting our bowl game out. Many of them WR's which causes a big problem for us this season as our only strength is our passing game. I disagree about only conference champions making the playoffs. Most years you would be leaving out at least one SEC team and some years a second team from another P5 conference. How do you tell a one loss Georgia or OSU, ranked in the top 8 that your spot has been taken by a one loss Pac 10 team ranked 12th? How do you decide who the other three playoff eligible conferences are?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 29, 2020, 06:47:06 PM
Everytime a mid major complains about being left out I always say, win your bowl game convincingly and people will listen. Rarely happens, though.
UC has got some great talent. They have played very well under Luke Fickell. I can see them give a top flight offense like Bama a fight. It all depends
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 30, 2020, 03:06:45 AM
I like Chris Fowler but his comment at the end of the Ohio State throttling (see what I did there) of Clemson has no basis in fact or informed opinion, only ignorance and pandering.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 01, 2021, 11:47:20 PM
I assume Dabo will get roasted for his Ohio State comments...
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on January 02, 2021, 12:21:51 AM
Really? Well this one is. So, if you have a Rose Bowl Game that is not in the Rose Bowl Stadium, it needs to be renamed, right?
The Rose Bowl Game can be demoted to the level of a smaller New Year 6 and not in the Playoff. Just switch the Cotton Bowl and Rose Bowl regarding importance. This way the Cotton Bowl is not played in the Rose Bowl Stadium and the Rose Bowl is not played not in the Rose Bowl Stadium.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 02, 2021, 12:47:20 AM
Really? Well this one is. So, if you have a Rose Bowl Game that is not in the Rose Bowl Stadium, it needs to be renamed, right?
The Rose Bowl Game can be demoted to the level of a smaller New Year 6 and not in the Playoff. Just switch the Cotton Bowl and Rose Bowl regarding importance. This way the Cotton Bowl is not played in the Rose Bowl Stadium and the Rose Bowl is not played not in the Rose Bowl Stadium.
Not required. . Can be in a much better stadium in a much better place.
Win or lose.... osu had much less wear on the team than those who played the season.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on January 02, 2021, 01:00:25 AM
I didn't know what to expect out of the Buckeyes after 7 games. Throttled? Yes Clemson was throttled. They had a total of 44 yards rushing. Clemson apparently has not played a team this year with the speed that Ohio State has. The number of passes that were thrown over 40 yards against Clemson when their DBs were beaten showed the speed Ohio State has. Clemson gave up 192 yards rushing to Sermon alone. Ohio State got well over 600 yards in offense. Sounds like a difference in speed to me. In games against Northwestern and Clemson the last two games, Sermon has rushed for 524 yards and Northwestern beat Auburn today making the BIG 3 and 0 in Bowl Games. Clemson was one dimensional and had no choice but to throw the ball. A lot of the yards they got passing were in the later stages of the game when the had no choice but to throw being down by 28 points at one time. This is the worst loss Clemson had all year giving up 49 points. Fields had a great game playing hurt. Completing around 75% with 6 touchdowns and one interception passes and several of his touchdowns and passes were over 40 yards.
Now.....after 8 games do I know how good Ohio State is? Not really. All I know is they play Alabama for the title. And as I said before this season is incomplete for me. To many variables forced by Covid and the late start by some conferences. I look forward to a more complete season in 2021. And I hope Covid will no longer be a concern by then.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on January 02, 2021, 01:05:16 AM
Not required. . Can be in a much better stadium in a much better place.
Win or lose.... osu had much less wear on the team than those who played the season.
Shuffler...........Ohio Sate played one game with 21 players missing because of Covid. They missed two games because of Covid. Your point is moot. Covid is a serious disease.
Did A&M play Clemson? I believe it was the 4th game of the year when the A&M team only had 4 games under its' belt (less wear on the team, only 4 games.) Ohio State has won 26 of it's last 27 games. They just avenged the lone loss.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: nooby52 on January 02, 2021, 06:08:13 AM
Shuffler...........Ohio Sate played one game with 21 players missing because of Covid. They missed two games because of Covid. Your point is moot. Covid is a serious disease.
Did A&M play Clemson? I believe it was the 4th game of the year when the A&M team only had 4 games under its' belt (less wear on the team, only 4 games.) Ohio State has won 26 of it's last 27 games. They just avenged the lone loss.
Early in the year all teams played less... moot point.
Osu far less worn than other teams, That is a known fact. Rules were changed just for osu, that is a known fact. Oh well.....
No one is saying they didn't play a good game, it is just marred by what happened leading up to it.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on January 02, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Impressive for #11 seeded team to win big against #2 team.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 02, 2021, 04:47:56 PM
They are not required to take conference champs, teams from all different conferences, teams that played at last N games, etc.
A lot depends on their judgement as opposed to a particular mechanistic algorithm.
Well, I think both TAMU and Florida were better than Notre Dame, so they failed in my opinion. Ohio St. is/was deserving a spot, if that is not already clear despite what a few Texans may say.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 03, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
Well, I think both TAMU and Florida were better than Notre Dame, so they failed in my opinion. Ohio St. is/was deserving a spot, if that is not already clear despite what a few Texans may say.
I think the CFP committee tends to get it right for 1-3 teams each year (the easier part), and then maybe not on the remaining 1-2. They do seem to favor not doubling up on SEC teams even if 2 SEC teams seem to be in the top 4.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2021, 12:41:18 AM
Well, I think both TAMU and Florida were better than Notre Dame, so they failed in my opinion. Ohio St. is/was deserving a spot, if that is not already clear despite what a few Texans may say.
LOL Just a few Texans.... many people from other states. ND should not have been in.... but it is what it is. What is done is done. Clemson played terribly.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 04, 2021, 02:13:28 AM
Clemson's offensive coordinator was precluded from the game as a result of Covid protocol. That would be a hit to offense.
The defense, though, was doing some things that just didn't work (such as not being ready when the ball was snapped).
Also, Ohio State was on in that game, like they usually are in The Game, where Michigan is on the receiving end of such fortune. Many bomb passes that worked perfectly, etc. A lot of that is skill of Fields and the receivers, but some is luck, too. That night was Ohio State's night. Unlike the previous game vs. Clemson, where it went the other way.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2021, 09:57:56 AM
Clemson's offensive coordinator was precluded from the game as a result of Covid protocol. That would be a hit to offense.
The defense, though, was doing some things that just didn't work (such as not being ready when the ball was snapped).
Also, Ohio State was on in that game, like they usually are in The Game, where Michigan is on the receiving end of such fortune. Many bomb passes that worked perfectly, etc. A lot of that is skill of Fields and the receivers, but some is luck, too. That night was Ohio State's night. Unlike the previous game vs. Clemson, where it went the other way.
Their QB was hitting it tight. He probably played the game of his life there.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 04, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
LOL Just a few Texans.... many people from other states. ND should not have been in.... but it is what it is. What is done is done. Clemson played terribly.
I thought the same until I saw A&M barely squeak it out against UNC and Florida get blown out by OU. After those two games ND being in didn't look so bad. Perhaps OU should have been in, but it's tough to rationalize a 2 loss team (with 1 terrible loss to K. State) over a team that actually played in a conference this year (finally), albeit a relatively crappy football conference with the exception of Clemson.
This year was the best argument for ND's inclusion but it turned out the way it has the last few years when they play in big games.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2021, 11:39:28 AM
I thought the same until I saw A&M barely squeak it out against UNC and Florida get blown out by OU. After those two games ND being in didn't look so bad. Perhaps OU should have been in, but it's tough to rationalize a 2 loss team (with 1 terrible loss to K. State) over a team that actually played in a conference this year (finally), albeit a relatively crappy football conference with the exception of Clemson.
This year was the best argument for ND's inclusion but it turned out the way it has the last few years when they play in big games.
You are the first person I have seen that called the A&M vs NC game a squeaker.
NC played hard but obviously wore down. Even Mack said as much.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on January 04, 2021, 11:52:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwi82bpJD3Q
I have to say there is some additional humor in that this comes from the SEC, which is looking overrated.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 05, 2021, 04:59:02 AM
I have to say there is some additional humor in that this comes from the SEC, which is looking overrated.
Yeah, those SEC Shorts clips are creative. Not sure I'd call the SEC overrated, though, as they will likely finish 7-2 post season and we all know Oklahoma did not play the "real" Florida squad.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: NatCigg on January 05, 2021, 07:04:48 AM
Yeah, those SEC Shorts clips are creative. Not sure I'd call the SEC overrated, though, as they will likely finish 7-2 post season and we all know Oklahoma did not play the "real" Florida squad.
4 wide receivers out. FOUR! That would be a majority of the position!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 05, 2021, 07:41:19 AM
4 wide receivers out. FOUR! That would be a majority of the position!
Yep, along with 3 or 4 players off of an already bad defense. There was no way we were going to win that game and I didn't even expect us to compete, which we didn't.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 05, 2021, 10:27:28 AM
ACC and Pack had zero bowl wins.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 08, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
4 wide receivers out. FOUR! That would be a majority of the position!
Yeah, I was watching this game, got home just after it stared and it was already 17-0, I was like WTF! Then I realized we had no receivers and that explained it. Turned it off in the 3rd Q. Think its very cheesy players can do this and not have to play the final game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 08, 2021, 03:29:29 PM
Yeah, I was watching this game, got home just after it stared and it was already 17-0, I was like WTF! Then I realized we had no receivers and that explained it. Turned it off in the 3rd Q. Think its very cheesy players can do this and not have to play the final game.
I don't blame a guy who is just months away from signing an NFL contract worth millions for sitting out a meaningless game. He's only a blown knee away from being back in his old neighborhood or at best grinding it out everyday until he's 65+ like us. Too much to lose. Now, if we start paying these guys, I'll have a problem with it. Playoff expansion (8 teams minimum) is the only way to end or curve this growing trend.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on January 08, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
Congrats on extending Harbaugh's contract.
(to the rest of the B1G)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 08, 2021, 08:46:46 PM
I'm glad Harbaugh is still coach of the Wolverines.
I'm interested to know who the defensive coordinator will be and some of the other staff positions.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 08, 2021, 09:41:28 PM
I'm glad Harbaugh is still coach of the Wolverines.
I'm interested to know who the defensive coordinator will be and some of the other staff positions.
Since Michigan needs a DC and seems to have no problem paying big money for mediocrity these days, maybe they'll relieve us of Todd Grantham and his buyout.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 08, 2021, 10:35:23 PM
How about Sumlin.... :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 12, 2021, 03:22:19 AM
Congrats to the Fighting Crimsons.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 12, 2021, 07:34:27 AM
Interesting.... the same score as the Alabama vs A&M game early in the year. ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on January 12, 2021, 08:10:10 AM
Gator game with AL was so much better
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MickDono on January 12, 2021, 06:03:46 PM
What a game!
RTR
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on January 14, 2021, 12:19:58 AM
Wait a minute -- did Alabama get into the playoffs this year?
I'm mostly convinced they couldn't even beat Jacksonville.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 14, 2021, 11:58:31 AM
Well the Bama Ohio State game went as expected. Perhaps teams should be disqualified from CFP for being "too good". :D
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Hajo on January 14, 2021, 03:30:36 PM
Congrats to Alabama! Alabama is considered, and rightly so...a once in a lifetime team. I saw the same thing happen back in 68 when Ohio state won the CFB Championship. They at that time were considered the best of all time. As the saying goes, records are made to be broken.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on January 14, 2021, 04:23:18 PM
If you have seen the movie The Replacements................. and do not remember Coach McGinty......then see the movie again :D :D
I am sure Coach McGinty would say: "Mac Jones has miles and miles of heart."
:aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 15, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
Congrats to Alabama! Alabama is considered, and rightly so...a once in a lifetime team. I saw the same thing happen back in 68 when Ohio state won the CFB Championship. They at that time were considered the best of all time. As the saying goes, records are made to be broken.
Except Bama has been "that team' three times in some people's lifetime. Four NC's between 1925-1934. Six NC's between 1961-1979, and of course the run they are on now. As much as it pains me to admit it, no team has come close to accomplishing what Bama has in football.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: nooby52 on January 19, 2021, 10:37:57 PM
When I was a little tyke, growing up in Alabama, I thought Bear Bryant was a relative of ours.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 20, 2021, 09:17:35 AM
When I was a little tyke, growing up in Alabama, I thought Bear Bryant was a relative of ours.
I still have a problem convincing my wife that Bryant isn't kin to her somehow :D But then again again I am in a "mixed marriage" she is Alabama and I am Auburn :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 28, 2021, 08:15:59 AM
Michigan finally has all its coaching changes sorted out -- and there are a lot of them. I'm interested to see how it works out.
Harbaugh is still head coach and will be coaching QB's (which I'm glad about).
They retained a good recruiting class for 2021 (#11 nationally), so that's great.
I'm looking forward to 2021 football.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 28, 2021, 08:22:44 AM
Tennessee is going through huge changes. I'm interested to see how that works out and wishing them luck.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: ACE on February 02, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
I’m optimistic. I’m hoping josh throws the ball a lot.
Heupel certainly seems well qualified to develop QB's and an offense (was a QB himself for Oklahoma and was runner up for the Heisman in 2000 on the national-championship team, and he's worked as QB coach and offensive coach under Stoops).
If he can get a good defensive coordinator, could be really good.
Who do folks think will be the QB for 2021?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on February 02, 2021, 07:44:34 PM
Don't forget the Lions' new coaches and the Stafford trade for two #1s and some crappy QB they threw in. Things already looking up.
Lions got a very good deal, I think. They got those draft picks plus Goff. He seems like a pretty good QB. Took Rams to the Super Bowl once. With the draft picks, who knows -- Lions might also get Justin Fields. But I think that they should be happy with Goff and use picks to help other positions that need it more.
I don't watch pro football, though, other than some games if Brady is in there. I'll watch the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: nooby52 on February 09, 2021, 08:45:53 PM
I still have a problem convincing my wife that Bryant isn't kin to her somehow :D But then again again I am in a "mixed marriage" she is Alabama and I am Auburn :aok
I understand: my brother is a bama fan, his wife is a rabid lsu fan.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on February 11, 2021, 08:16:08 AM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on June 10, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
I think it will help with a lot of the narrative of the same ole teams getting in (eg. nobody but Bama, Ohio St., Clemson, and X getting in), but it won't help in the sense of different teams winning.
But I like the change and it'll definitely bring in a lot of revenue.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on June 10, 2021, 05:30:21 PM
Expansion opens up a larger can of worms. Then, the committee will not have to justify leaving a 12-0 Hawaii out of the Playoffs. They will put them in and watch them get destroyed by a 2 loss Auburn.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on June 12, 2021, 02:32:17 PM
Expansion opens up a larger can of worms. Then, the committee will not have to justify leaving a 12-0 Hawaii out of the Playoffs. They will put them in and watch them get destroyed by a 2 loss Auburn.
Understandable concern, but I doubt this scenario will play out in only an 8 team playoff. Too many boxes to check, SOS being a big one, for an undefeated team from a weak conference to sneak in. There are just too many factors that go into the CFP rankings for that to happen. They know who the good teams are and why the argument for expansion. At least one or two "really" good teams miss out most years and I don't mean an undefeated Mountain West team.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 14, 2021, 01:11:33 AM
6 highest-ranked conference champs plus the 6 highest-ranked teams that aren't already in.
It will be similar to taking 12 highest-ranked teams, as ranked by CFP committee.
Top 4 get byes, so it is #5 vs #12, #6 vs #11, #7 vs #10, #8 vs. #9 to start.
It could be a lot of good games.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on June 14, 2021, 02:57:55 AM
6 highest-ranked conference champs plus the 6 highest-ranked teams that aren't already in.
It will be similar to taking 12 highest-ranked teams, as ranked by CFP committee.
Top 4 get byes, so it is #5 vs #12, #6 vs #11, #7 vs #10, #8 vs. #9 to start.
It could be a lot of good games.
But unlike say basketball, the lower seeded teams would have no shot of winning the championship, so why go there? You would also be adding more games/weeks onto the schedule. I only stated an eight team playoff instead of a six because I feel the team that is awarded the bye game would have too much of an advantage due to the physicality of the sport.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 14, 2021, 07:19:32 PM
But unlike say basketball, the lower seeded teams would have no shot of winning the championship, so why go there?
I don't think 16 seeds have much chance of being champs. But it's fun to watch the games even so, and the odds (although low) aren't 0.000.
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I only stated an eight team playoff instead of a six because I feel the team that is awarded the bye game would have too much of an advantage due to the physicality of the sport.
I hear you. To me, though, a bunch of these are like bowl games with more-exciting matchups, even if 5-12 don't have as much chance to win it all as 1-4 do.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 14, 2021, 07:47:37 PM
Just looking at some of the games that might have happened in 2019 in a 12-game playoff.
Top-6 conf champs: LSU (1), Ohio State (2), Clemson (3), Oklahoma (3), Memphis (17), Boise State (19). Top-6 others: Georgia (5), Oregon (6), Baylor (7), Wisconsin (8), Florida (9), Penn State (10).
Byes: LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma
Round 1 games (with estimated outcomes, just taking highest rank to win):
Georgia (11-2) vs. Boise State (12-1) -> Georgia Oregon (11-2) vs. Memphis (12-1) -> Oregon Baylor (11-2) vs. Penn State (10-2) -> Baylor Wisconsin (10-3) vs. Florida (10-2) -> Wisconsin
Round 2:
LSU vs. Wisconsin -> LSU Ohio State vs. Baylor -> Ohio State Clemson vs. Oregon -> Clemson Oklahoma vs. Georgia -> Oklahoma
Those could have all been some fun games.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on June 14, 2021, 08:06:03 PM
Just looking at some of the games that might have happened in 2019 in a 12-game playoff.
Top-6 conf champs: LSU (1), Ohio State (2), Clemson (3), Oklahoma (3), Memphis (17), Boise State (19). Top-6 others: Georgia (5), Oregon (6), Baylor (7), Wisconsin (8), Florida (9), Penn State (10).
Byes: LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma
Round 1 games (with estimated outcomes, just taking highest rank to win):
Georgia (11-2) vs. Boise State (12-1) -> Georgia Oregon (11-2) vs. Memphis (12-1) -> Oregon Baylor (11-2) vs. Penn State (10-2) -> Baylor Wisconsin (10-3) vs. Florida (10-2) -> Wisconsin
Round 2:
LSU vs. Wisconsin -> LSU Ohio State vs. Baylor -> Ohio State Clemson vs. Oregon -> Clemson Oklahoma vs. Georgia -> Oklahoma
Those could have all been some fun games.
I agree, it would definitely add excitement to a mostly boring bowl schedule. Especially now that more and more players of teams not in the playoffs are sitting out. The biggest hurdle I see in a playoff with that many teams is number of games played. The championship game would possibly mark the 5th post season game for the two teams playing if you include their conference championship game. Even 4 is too many probably.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 14, 2021, 08:21:16 PM
DII football has a 28-team playoff. Up to 5 post-season games. So it might work OK. We'll probably get to see how it goes.
Well, I do know one thing for sure. Rush is an awesome band. :rock :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on June 14, 2021, 09:46:36 PM
DII football has a 28-team playoff. Up to 5 post-season games. So it might work OK. We'll probably get to see how it goes.
Well, I do know one thing for sure. Rush is an awesome band. :rock :aok
I hope so. Any expansion would be good for the current bowl format.
(https://i.redd.it/0y01kazrv9iz.jpg)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on August 03, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
With Texas and OU heading to SEC lots of discussions on the rest of BigXII team. This past 6 hours ago, next team looking for new real estate is KU eyeing on Big10. …..not shocked about this. Great for the basketball program.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on August 08, 2021, 11:07:30 PM
Texas and Oklahoma to SEC guts the Big 12.
It might also trigger lots of other changes (departures from Pac 12 and ACC, additions to Big 10 and maybe more to SEC).
The Power 5 might end up as the Power 2.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on August 17, 2021, 04:04:13 AM
It might also trigger lots of other changes (departures from Pac 12 and ACC, additions to Big 10 and maybe more to SEC).
The Power 5 might end up as the Power 2.
ACC schools such as FSU and Clemson are tied to the ACC for a very long time due to the Grant of Rights agreement they foolishly signed years ago. It binds them to the conference for I believe another 15 years. And to think before signing the GoR contract with the ACC, FSU was invited to join the SEC but turned down the opportunity after some lobbying from Bobby Bowden. Bowden, on record said it would be too difficult to compete for championships while playing in the SEC. Let's just say the FSU fan base is not very happy right now and that just breaks my Gator heart.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on September 11, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
This will not be tOSU year. Going to call it now, PSU will beat buckeye. Mich will still lose to the buckeyes. Big10 championship will be PSU vs Wis with PSU winning. Psu going undefeated if they beat aurbun, Iowa and buckeye.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on September 11, 2021, 02:39:35 PM
This will not be tOSU year. Going to call it now, PSU will beat buckeye. Mich will still lose to the buckeyes. Big10 championship will be PSU vs Wis with PSU winning. Psu going undefeated if they beat aurbun, Iowa and buckeye.
Don't give up. Ohio State can afford to lose twice and still make the playoffs unlike every other school save 3-5.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on September 11, 2021, 03:05:11 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on September 11, 2021, 05:36:19 PM
Btw, trivialities about Purdue's 49-0 win over UConn:
Previous shutout of any kind: 59-0 over SEMO in 2011 Previous shutout of FBS school: 51-0 over Syracuse in 2004 Previous road shutout: 35-0 at Northwestern in 1981. Previous 49-point road win: 56-7 at IU in 1997. Previous biggest road point spread on road in Modern Era (post WWII): 55 points, 62-7 at Boston U, 1947.
Notre Dame next in South Bend.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on September 11, 2021, 09:15:23 PM
Wondering if Texas having second thoughts in joining the SEC? 🤔
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on September 12, 2021, 06:36:09 PM
Btw, trivialities about Purdue's 49-0 win over UConn:
Previous shutout of any kind: 59-0 over SEMO in 2011 Previous shutout of FBS school: 51-0 over Syracuse in 2004 Previous road shutout: 35-0 at Northwestern in 1981. Previous 49-point road win: 56-7 at IU in 1997. Previous biggest road point spread on road in Modern Era (post WWII): 55 points, 62-7 at Boston U, 1947.
Notre Dame next in South Bend.
I didn't know UConn still had a football team.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on September 14, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 18, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
Really great UF Bama game today. Didn't think it would be that close for second! Amazing how a stupid extra point flub can be a game decider. Gators also missed a key interception and a couple of poor defensive misses. But overall a really great game for the Gators. Don't think Alabama is as good as they were last year tho.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on September 20, 2021, 11:34:41 PM
The Florida vs. Alabama was quite a surprising game. Well done, Gators.
This season so far has lots of surprises in it. Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson not looking as dominant as expected; although all still good. Also, we are only 3 games in.
I am hopeful for my beloved Wolverines to have a good season. :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on September 21, 2021, 04:01:59 PM
The Florida vs. Alabama was quite a surprising game. Well done, Gators.
This season so far has lots of surprises in it. Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson not looking as dominant as expected; although all still good. Also, we are only 3 games in.
I am hopeful for my beloved Wolverines to have a good season. :aok
UC is not doing bad going 3-0 atm.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: shotgunneeley on September 26, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
One more Texas team and we can have a “Rio Grande Slam”!
In all seriousness I think we’ll be Georgia’s first true test this coming weekend and will contend with them strongly if our offense is firing on all cylinders (our QB got a little banged up against Texas A&M) along with our aggressive defense.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on October 09, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
PSU vs Iowa
4th Qt was hard to watch. Piss poor performance on PSU.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 09, 2021, 08:30:56 PM
Hard loss of Clifford, though.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on October 09, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
yea, that was. Neverless, glad to see B10 putting up strong teams.
Mich doing well tonight.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on October 09, 2021, 09:27:33 PM
Well University Of Cincinnati is #2 at this time. I would love to see Perdue try to take on Luke Fickell and the Bearcats.
We've lost to you relatively recently. I think both ends of a home and home.
But seriously rooting for Ohio State to be #2 by the time we play them. I don't think Michigan State can climb high enough.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 25, 2021, 01:43:35 AM
Battle of unbeatens in next week's Michigan vs. Michigan State.
Go Blue! :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 25, 2021, 02:00:57 AM
Weekend had some strange ones in it.
Penn State beaten by Illinois (bottom of the Big 10) in 9 overtimes.
Clemson lost to Pitt.
Tennessee doing well against Alabama for a while. Go Vols!
Kansas looking like they would beat Oklahoma, until flood gates opened late.
Turnover fest in Oregon vs. UCLA.
Wake Forest vs. Army ending at 70-56 in regulation. If you watch highlights of only the touchdown plays, you see the whole game.
And one of the most-surprising runs I've seen in a while (with a little help from his friends):
https://twitter.com/i/status/1451953780723965958
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on October 25, 2021, 06:02:11 AM
UC advanced to #2 alongside beating Navy 27-20. Also in a massive twist adding NFL just for this once. The Bengals somehow are tied for 1st in the AFC North which I am happy and surprised as well.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on October 25, 2021, 07:33:05 AM
Just wait til they get slaughtered by Alabama in the CFP. :)
Notre Dame syndrome all over again.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on October 30, 2021, 10:25:57 PM
Two great big 10 games. Not disappointment at all. Still think Mich and or msu will beat tOSU.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 31, 2021, 01:07:26 AM
Well, not a disappointment to you, but it was a grave and disheartening loss for me and my beloved Wolverines. :cry
It was an exciting game, with many great plays by each side and by lots of players. But, oh, for a few more inches on just a couple of plays, or a call or two not to be reversed on replay.
OSU looks very strong currently. We'll see how it goes. But some games, it's just not your day. That can happen to OSU, too, I suppose, once in a great while.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on October 31, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
UC is still rolling along winning 31-12 against Tulane.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on October 31, 2021, 09:33:41 AM
OSU looks very strong currently. We'll see how it goes. But some games, it's just not your day. That can happen to OSU, too, I suppose, once in a great while.
I don't think they are as good as their ranking shows. People forget they lost to Oregon and then played 5 cupcakes before playing an injury riddled PSU. While I thought PSU at 18.5 point dogs was laughable, I knew they would not win. And they kept it close besides some stupid turnovers and bad coaching decisions.
Michigan should roll them.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on October 31, 2021, 01:41:45 PM
I hope that you are right! :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on October 31, 2021, 05:46:13 PM
Well, not a disappointment to you, but it was a grave and disheartening loss for me and my beloved Wolverines. :cry
It was an exciting game, with many great plays by each side and by lots of players. But, oh, for a few more inches on just a couple of plays, or a call or two not to be reversed on replay.
OSU looks very strong currently. We'll see how it goes. But some games, it's just not your day. That can happen to OSU, too, I suppose, once in a great while.
To be honest, I did not care who won. As long as they both play like the ranked team they are. I think one of them or maybe both can beat my buckeyes.
I don't think they are as good as their ranking shows. People forget they lost to Oregon and then played 5 cupcakes before playing an injury riddled PSU. While I thought PSU at 18.5 point dogs was laughable, I knew they would not win. And they kept it close besides some stupid turnovers and bad coaching decisions.
Michigan should roll them.
That might be so early in the season. They still have #5 MSU and following week #9 MU. Besides, they are mostly fr and So players. Not bad for a young team to step it up.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on November 01, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
That might be so early in the season. They still have #5 MSU and following week #9 MU. Besides, they are mostly fr and So players. Not bad for a young team to step it up.
Not sure what this means. Up until Saturday, Ohio state has played nobody but Oregon and lost to them. That is my only point.
As for being Freshman and Sophomore players, that is no excuse as Ohio State has a top 5 recruiting class year in and year out.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on November 02, 2021, 09:24:12 AM
Not sure what this means. Up until Saturday, Ohio state has played nobody but Oregon and lost to them. That is my only point.
As for being Freshman and Sophomore players, that is no excuse as Ohio State has a top 5 recruiting class year in and year out.
They lost a lot of good players last year.
Here is a good debate. Who do you think they should be playing?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on November 03, 2021, 10:44:27 AM
I was keeping an eye on the CFP info, and UC is ranked 6 now from higher up, which I am salty, but understand that we only faced 1 ranked opponent and that was ND. I hope UC will make a National Conference Bowl in the next conference we are moving to.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on November 04, 2021, 05:42:54 PM
Here is a good debate. Who do you think they should be playing?
Oregon is a good non-conference opponent some years. I think the Big Ten, like the SEC, have to keep their non-conference schedule kind of weak so as to not accumulate losses. Still, Ohio St. will not make the playoffs with 2 losses. And, they are likely to lose another, I think.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 04, 2021, 10:14:04 PM
Hoping that Tennessee can beat Kentucky. :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on November 06, 2021, 02:22:21 PM
Oregon is a good non-conference opponent some years. I think the Big Ten, like the SEC, have to keep their non-conference schedule kind of weak so as to not accumulate losses. Still, Ohio St. will not make the playoffs with 2 losses. And, they are likely to lose another, I think.
2021: Oregon 2022: Notre Dame 2023: at Notre Dame 2024: at Washington 2025: at Texas 2025: Washington 2026: Texas 2027: Alabama 2030: at Georgia 2031: Georgia
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on November 06, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
Oregon is a good non-conference opponent some years. I think the Big Ten, like the SEC, have to keep their non-conference schedule kind of weak so as to not accumulate losses. Still, Ohio St. will not make the playoffs with 2 losses. And, they are likely to lose another, I think.
Purdue should be undefeated. Impressive
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 07, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
Strategy for beating Purdue: get ranked to less than top 5 before you play them.
Purdue in the running for Big 10 west title.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 07, 2021, 05:12:29 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 11, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
If I were them, I would keep Scott Frost. Nebraska this year is a lot better than their record, and getting a new coach is a multi-year crap shoot. A lot will depend on who is quarterback next year for Nebraska.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 12, 2021, 12:46:00 AM
Tennessee vs. Georgia. Go, Vols? :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 12, 2021, 12:48:32 AM
Purdue has beaten #2 and #3. Will they beat #4 Saturday?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 12, 2021, 09:59:14 AM
If I were them, I would keep Scott Frost. Nebraska this year is a lot better than their record, and getting a new coach is a multi-year crap shoot. A lot will depend on who is quarterback next year for Nebraska.
Despite a losing season, they have played four ranked teams (five if you want to now #19 Purdue), losing 3 to 10 points…..Not bad. And they still have two more ranked teams to play.
That’s a tough schedule.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on November 14, 2021, 10:37:27 AM
Winding if Texas having second thoughts in joining the SEC? Ouch.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on November 20, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
WTF, MSU?
0-49 at halftime. :bolt:
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 21, 2021, 04:56:43 PM
That OSU/MSU game was quite a pantsing.
Here's hoping that my beloved Wolverines do a lot better. :aok
Another week of surprises in the volatile world of college football: -- #4 OSU vs. #7 MSU is 49-0 at the half. -- #23 Utah beats #3 Oregon 38-7. -- Florida fires its head coach, so the teams who have fired head coaches during the season grows to: USC, LSU, Florida, Washington, TCU, and V Tech. -- Mel Tucker, with one good season at MSU, is offered the 2nd-biggest coaching salary in college, after Saban.
And, the biggest surprise of them all: -- Georgia beats Charleston Southern.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on November 21, 2021, 10:45:00 PM
And, the biggest surprise of them all: -- Georgia beats Charleston Southern.
😄
Will this be the year Mich finally snaps it’s losing streak against tOSU?
In possible other news. Frost might be out of a job too.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 21, 2021, 10:51:35 PM
I'm really disappointed about Dan Mullen. He looked like he was going to be a pretty solid coach for UF. I think its the QB who really did him in. There just wasn't that bond and the QB isn't a show out. Don't understand what the hell happened to our defense after the Alabama Game. Florida is looking very strange right now. Don't think anyone saw this coming after Alabama.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on November 22, 2021, 08:27:31 AM
Will this be the year Mich finally snaps it’s losing streak against tOSU?
If that game was 5 weeks ago, maybe, but not now. Michigan is just a few weeks removed from losing to MSU, meanwhile OSU just stomped MSU like they're nothing.
Michigan probably does worse than Purdue did against OSU.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on November 22, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
I'm really disappointed about Dan Mullen. He looked like he was going to be a pretty solid coach for UF. I think its the QB who really did him in. There just wasn't that bond and the QB isn't a show out. Don't understand what the hell happened to our defense after the Alabama Game. Florida is looking very strange right now. Don't think anyone saw this coming after Alabama.
Let's hope they can at least beat FSU..
There us always next year
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on November 22, 2021, 05:17:10 PM
If we face Georgia, we may stand a reasonable chance. Last year, we almost pulled it off, but time management killed us. It might honestly be more closer than you think.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on December 04, 2021, 03:14:22 PM
Hell of a OSU v BU game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on December 04, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
This has certainly one of those unexpected seasons.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
Go Blue! :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 05, 2021, 04:33:56 AM
Go UC! 13-0 Boys!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on December 05, 2021, 07:48:15 AM
Cincinnati had a good season, I am afraid it is now over. The question is, will they get Alabama or Michigan?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 05, 2021, 08:07:57 AM
Projection is that UC will take on Alabama in the Cotton Bowl. So it will be a massive game. You got 2 good offenses, and defenses. Saban vs Fickell. (2-2) and (17-10) I will take my faithful Bearcats, but it will be a shootout. Probably an offensive battle if it comes to that.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on December 05, 2021, 09:27:19 AM
Projection is that UC will take on Alabama in the Cotton Bowl. So it will be a massive game. You got 2 good offenses, and defenses. Saban vs Fickell. (2-2) and (17-10) I will take my faithful Bearcats, but it will be a shootout. Probably an offensive battle if it comes to that.
I doubt it, 49-17 Bama.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on December 05, 2021, 10:57:17 AM
Projection is that UC will take on Alabama in the Cotton Bowl. So it will be a massive game. You got 2 good offenses, and defenses. Saban vs Fickell. (2-2) and (17-10) I will take my faithful Bearcats, but it will be a shootout. Probably an offensive battle if it comes to that.
Impressive year for them snd Michigan. Best of luck to both teams.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on December 05, 2021, 11:28:17 AM
45-10 Bama.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 06, 2021, 11:53:39 AM
Looks like Bama and Georgia will be playing again.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 06, 2021, 01:24:24 PM
Man everyone is doubting UC. Yes they did go 13-0 and had some good games and some moments that shows they could mess up. But I feel it will be closer than anyone thinks. Personal Opinion, if UC's defense shows up. I would go 35-21.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: turt21 on December 06, 2021, 05:23:25 PM
control your stupid penalties and you control the score.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on December 06, 2021, 05:36:54 PM
Cincy-Mich in NC.
I said it.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on December 09, 2021, 05:19:46 AM
Wake Forest needs an opponent, rumor mill looks like maybe 5-7 Rutgers could be the replacement.
Can only field 38 Scholarship players. Does not meet NCAA rules. Year is done.... looking forward to next year. No sports till then.
Will enjoy watching the other games.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2021, 04:33:14 PM
Man, that sucks. I feel sorry for all the folks affected.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 24, 2021, 07:07:05 AM
What a freaking joke this all is.
"You can still get sick and spread the virus with the vaccine, its just the affects aren't as bad.". "And it's still the unvaxxed fault I'm sick, so you better show your papers to eat at this restaurant, and no, it's not racist to show ID to eat a cheese burger."
Sigh. That's what I call shifting the goal post. Pun intended.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MiloMorai on December 24, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
"You can still get sick and spread the virus with the vaccine, its just the affects aren't as bad.". "And it's still the unvaxxed fault I'm sick, so you better show your papers to eat at this restaurant, and no, it's not racist to show ID to eat a cheese burger."
Sigh. That's what I call shifting the goal post. Pun intended.
The unvaxxed are the petrie dishes and make up for almost all of the hospital and ICU admissions.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 24, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
The unvaxxed are the petrie dishes and make up for almost all of the hospital and ICU admissions.
Not only that, but the US counties with the worst vaccination rates that voted for the guys spreading vaccine falsehoods die at a 3 to 1 ratio compared to the us counties that voted for the guys that aren't spreading vaccine falsehoods.
I once heard it said by some US religious extremists that HIV/AIDS was sent by god to kill all the gays. Well by that logic, Covid was sent by god to kill all science-deniers. Ironic.
I say, we should open up the economy, let "personal responsibility" be our guide, and let them all die. Also, take away government financial support for hospital stays for the unvacced.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MiloMorai on December 24, 2021, 02:07:35 PM
Not the brightest light bulb in the room , for sure.
I have 100% chance of no vaccine injury and a 99.9% chance of not dying to covid. I'd say my odds are pretty damned good. No way in hell am I going to make my immune system a subscription service for fascist big pharma and its fascist followers trying to force people against their will. "Walking Petrie dishes" are you kidding me? You are the science experiment, not us bro.
Not only that, but the US counties with the worst vaccination rates that voted for the guys spreading vaccine falsehoods die at a 3 to 1 ratio compared to the us counties that voted for the guys that aren't spreading vaccine falsehoods.
I once heard it said by some US religious extremists that HIV/AIDS was sent by god to kill all the gays. Well by that logic, Covid was sent by god to kill all science-deniers. Ironic.
I say, we should open up the economy, let "personal responsibility" be our guide, and let them all die. Also, take away government financial support for hospital stays for the unvacced.
Your stats are false and infact more children are being injured by the Vax than by covid. If any other drug was doing this much damage they would have pulled it long ago. Infact sports players are now far more likely to have cardiac arrest during playing, which has been majorly observed this year. HIV was created by the likes of Fauci and all of their eugenicist like Bill Gates Father. FYI. Thanks for telling us how you really feel though. It's hilarious how you all said, take the vaccine and we will have sports again, now all of the players with the vaccine are getting covid and they are stopping playing. Why can't you people ever be honest and just admit that you were wrong?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MiloMorai on December 25, 2021, 03:35:01 PM
"I have 100% chance of no vaccine injury and a 99.9% chance of not dying to covid. I'd say my odds are pretty damned good. No way in hell am I going to make my immune system a subscription service for fascist big pharma and its fascist followers trying to force people against their will. "Walking Petrie dishes" are you kidding me? You are the science experiment, not us bro."
And this is the attitude that has the USA in the covid mess it is in today.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 25, 2021, 05:06:55 PM
With respect to covid deaths per capita, US is about the same as Belgium, UK, and Poland.
Vaccination plus seroprevalence in the US is above 80% now. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784013
So far, judging from South Africa, which is the nation most hit by Omicron, getting infected with Omicron variant is not particularly deadly. If we are lucky, Omicron will bring the end of the pandemic. Death rate in the graph below are the lines under the teal active-cases plot.
"I have 100% chance of no vaccine injury and a 99.9% chance of not dying to covid. I'd say my odds are pretty damned good. No way in hell am I going to make my immune system a subscription service for fascist big pharma and its fascist followers trying to force people against their will. "Walking Petrie dishes" are you kidding me? You are the science experiment, not us bro."
And this is the attitude that has the USA in the covid mess it is in today.
Seeing as how the virus first started in the most left place in America first of all, and they didn't curtail it there, shows what a load of BS your statement is. Secondly, if masks and everything planes are doing actually worked, the Omicron should have never spread in the first place over seas, therefore negating yalls entire premise that masks do anything. Like Brooke said, most of these places have all had relatively the same outcomes. Sure is strange how none of those leaders got even close to the same horrible propaganda treatment as former president. Why do you think that is? China has completely lied about their cases and death #s. Why is the UN a little Beeyotch to China who negligently was responsible for this mess in the first place? Guess what, the virus went right thru those doctors hazmat suites FFS. I'm getting real tired of Americans being the ones to blame here.
Let's hope Brooke is right and this Omicron is the last phase.
The vaccine failed, and now ships with 100% vaccinated pop are getting sick. How is that even possible if they are wearing masks, vaccinated, and going by the rules?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on December 26, 2021, 09:51:55 PM
Getting this back to football... we do need an endgame where the game goes on even if someone is infected with Covid. Michael Jordan scored 38 in a crucial playoff game while sick with the flu... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2021/06/11/michael-jordan-flu-game-24th-anniversary/7652703002
No one suggested keeping him out if he wanted to play, or refused to play against him for fear of catching the flu themselves. Like it or not, sports are going to have to get to that point again with Covid, despite the fact that Covid is more deadly than the flu by an order of magnitude.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 27, 2021, 12:32:56 AM
IFR is "infection fatality rate". It is how many people die divided by how many get infected by it.
IFR for flu and Covid are in the same ballpark (0.1% vs 0.15%) according to this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554
IFR for Covid is enormously age dependent. If you are less than 40 years old, IFR for Covid is 0.01% according to this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7505013/
Omicron might be far less deadly.
Given that Covid mutates, it will probably be endemic like flu, and most people -- especially athletes -- will eventually just get on with living as usual.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 27, 2021, 12:50:08 AM
I am still amazed at how covid has about cured heart disease, cancer, aids, and many other illnesses.
My mother in law and sister in law had procedures. Tested and no covid. Afterwards both had paperwork that said "covid related".
Little science.... lots of fraud.
We are vaxxed and my wife has covid. Just found out today.
We have it pouring in over the border.......
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 27, 2021, 01:09:50 AM
Man, Shuffler -- my best wishes to you and your wife.
I'm hoping that it is very mild for her.
Sounds like Paxlovid might be a promising treatment if given early, but is new, so who knows, and might not be much available yet. I guess main treatment these days is monoclonal antibodies, also if given early. I don't know what doctors typically are recommending these days other than nothing. What's your doctor recommending?
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 27, 2021, 12:23:13 PM
Man, Shuffler -- my best wishes to you and your wife.
I'm hoping that it is very mild for her.
Sounds like Paxlovid might be a promising treatment if given early, but is new, so who knows, and might not be much available yet. I guess main treatment these days is monoclonal antibodies, also if given early. I don't know what doctors typically are recommending these days other than nothing. What's your doctor recommending?
Thanks! She had fever, aches and pains, sore throat yesterday. All they told her was to take vitamin C, and zinc, along with plenty of liquids and maybe some cough syrup if needed. She woke up feeling better today.
We have 4 at the shop out testing positive. none of them even feel bad.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 27, 2021, 01:18:00 PM
OK, very glad to hear that she is feeling better. Same with your guys at the shop.
Too bad standard of care still seems to be "do nothing until you are sick enough to go to the hospital".
I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice. Only commenting on things I've read, like taking aspirin for anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant properties (but have to be careful if already on a blood thinner), taking quercetin along with zinc (to help get zinc into cells as an ionophore), taking vitamin D, and using Scope mouthwash (to help cut down viral load in throat). These are things I can ask my doctor about, and they are all well-known non-prescription items.
I, myself, am also interested in Ivermectin, but most doctors don't think highly of that.
I'm hoping Paxlovid pans out. That one seems promising from what is so far written about it. But as it is new, it might take a while before it is even available.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 27, 2021, 02:18:46 PM
Based on many accounts I have read, Ivermectin seems to be a wonderful drug that the big pharma fascist don't want to allow. Tons of studies out there that are very promising for Ivermectin treating cancers and other diseases. It's a shame big pharma fascist has such a grip on the medical industry.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Where do you find these accounts lauding the miracle snake oil? :D
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 27, 2021, 02:50:29 PM
Where do you find these accounts lauding the miracle snake oil? :D
With respect to Ivermectin for Covid, one of them is:
https://ivmmeta.com/
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
55% mortality hardly seems a ringing endorsement. :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: potsNpans on December 27, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Only time now I can stand to watch sports is when there's a chant of "Lets go Brandon". Heck I almost cried when NHL went woke'. Thank the Gods for UFC channel.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2021, 04:08:30 PM
55% mortality hardly seems a ringing endorsement. :huh
If you are referring to the link I posted, you are confusing % improvement with death %.
50% is the improvement, not death rate. It means if you have a 0.2% death rate in the control group and a 0.1% death rate in the treatment group, it is a 50% improvement (i.e., half the deaths go away). A 100% improvement would be a death rate of zero with treatment -- i.e., 100% of the deaths go away, not that treatment gives you 100% death rate.
By the way, I wouldn't go by the meta analysis given in that reference. I like that reference more for the quick summaries (like how many deaths per N in treatment vs. control group), and clickable reference to the papers for reading. I read a few of them to see if the studies looked to me like crap or not.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 06:20:24 AM
It says 55% mortality. Mortality typically indicates death in spite of treatment. Words matter. If that supposedly requires 'clarification/translation' then data misuse or massaging becomes the issue. :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2021, 07:49:38 AM
Here's why I question this so much. So many people without prescriptions be like:
"ohh I take Adderall before tests and stay up for 24 hours to study, regardless of negative side effects that may happen."
"Oh I like doing Xanax and tabs when I drink because it really makes me feel good" regardless of the negative side effects.
"Oh I love doing Molly and extacy at raves" even though it's really dangerous.
"Oh acid was really cool one time" even though it's extremely dangerous.
"Oh Opoids are incredibly addicting but they make feel so good" regardless of the negative side effects. Infact, I lost a 16 to year old friend to friend to prison that ruined his life because of addicting opiods, I don't remember big media and big pharma shutting those down for overdoses and malfeasance.
"Oh I smoke Marijuana because it makes me feel good" regardless of the negative side effects that may happen.
"All drugs should be legalized, who cares about how addicting herion and meth are. They can get help" regardless of the negative side effects and consequences.
But the second I say, "hey man, there's a lot of positive studies coming out about Ivermectin that can treat a lot of diseases actually it's showing. It will probably help you get over the virus much faster and clean out any potentially harmful parasites you don't know about.
They be like "I ain't taking no horse paste, that stuff could be dangerous".
🤦♂️
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
So your rationale follows that since people abuse drugs Ivermectin is good, especially if there are people that claim its a veterinary treatment turned wonder drug? Well, that's, uh, weird. :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
So your rationale follows that since people abuse drugs Ivermectin is good, especially if there are people that claim its a veterinary treatment turned wonder drug? Well, that's, uh, weird. :huh
Not even close to my rationale. My rational is the same people abusing those drugs are the same people saying Ivermectin is bad which makes 0 since logically.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
Not even close to my rationale. My rational is the same people abusing those drugs are the same people saying Ivermectin is bad which makes 0 since logically.
Zero sense, logically, seems to closely resemble your presumptive 'reasoning.' :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2021, 10:43:12 AM
Last time I checked people with the vaccine are still getting sick and spreading the virus. Tell me again how your "reasoning" is so much better?
Did any science professional state that by getting the vaccine you will 100% not be able to contract or spread COVID? The vaccine came out after 5 variants had been detected. It's akin to getting the flu shot from 3 years ago. It will certainly help, but no medical professional is claiming 100% immunity as the mutations continue.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2021, 11:07:24 AM
Died with or from..
Never clear on purpose to push it further than it needed to go...
I know several who died with it and had the cause of death counted as covid death..one affecting their insurance coverage which is criminal
The majority of new hospitalizations of covid are from testing when they were admitted for totally unrelated issues
No real studies on natural immunity only the quest to get all vaxxed using an emergency released vaccine whose testing results are locked up for like 50 years...
To close sports for a cold now going around is just stupid
This has become so political it is a joke to many of us
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 11:12:02 AM
Oh, its become political, alright. But I don't think you truly understand the joke ... or its consequences. :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MiloMorai on December 28, 2021, 11:22:02 AM
It became political when Bob Woodward was told it is very deadly and said person said it would be gone when the warm weather got warm.
Last time I checked people with the vaccine are still getting sick and spreading the virus. Tell me again how your "reasoning" is so much better?
The main spreaders are those unvaxxed petrie dishes. If you weren't wearing that tin foil suit, you would know that almost all the hospital admissions were the unvaxxed.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: CptTrips on December 28, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
What ever happened to the hydroxychloroquine wonder drug that would end the Pandemic?
No one talks about that anymore. Or is that sooooo 2020?
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 11:24:51 AM
What ever happened to the hydroxychloroquine wonder drug that would end the Pandemic?
No one talks about that anymore. Or is that sooooo 2020?
:rolleyes:
Guess someone sold off stock. :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2021, 11:43:59 AM
Stay with the program..its almost 2022 not 2020 and potato head has been in charge...maybe...for over a year now
The virus has mutated into a bad cold but some think it should require the lockdowns and steps that where implemented when we were told it was much more deadly..
With the purposely manipulation of the data it is now impossible to tell just how deadly it truly was then..
But what SA and UK have shown omicron is nothing like the previous versions with the new ones yet to come predicted to be even less severe but many want/ need the paranoia to continue...
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
What ever happened to the hydroxychloroquine wonder drug that would end the Pandemic?
No one talks about that anymore. Or is that sooooo 2020?
:rolleyes:
Still more effective than the Vax and would have saved 100Ks of more lives. But you know, can't have that when yoi are pushing an agenda against the president.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 11:47:28 AM
Still more effective than the Vax and would have saved 100Ks of more lives. But you know, can't have that when yoi are pushing an agenda against the president.
Yikes! Conspiracy! :O
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
The virus has mutated into a bad cold but some think it should require the lockdowns and steps that where implemented when we were told it was much more deadly..
It might surprise you, but I somewhat agree.
Virus' will tend to mutate to more transmissible, but less deadly forms. Then the more transmissible strains will out produce and displace the more dangerous ones.
At this point, the VAST majority of those becoming seriously ill and filling ICU beds and dying, are the unvaccinated. Since vaccines are now developed and readily available, the vast majority of those dying are almost certainly of a particular anti-vax...ilk.
Everyone I know that I care about living is fully vaxxed and boosted. The risks of death for from a breakthrough infection for them are pretty low. It's still plenty deadly to the completely unvaxxed ilk.
If those of that ilk are determined to differentially self-cull...then OK, have fun with that. Those I know like that, I will still make a half-hearted attempt at just mentioning, "Jeez dude, you really ought to get vaxxed...<yawn> or...whatever." But don't expect me to bother saying it twice. Is it worth shutdowns to save them? Hmmm. I need to think on that one.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: MiloMorai on December 28, 2021, 01:23:18 PM
In a series of Twitter posts, Craig Spencer, who teaches emergency medicine at Columbia University Medical Center, said every boosted patient he has seen in the emergency room has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath. Those who have had two doses of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines also have had mild symptoms, he said, “but more than those who had received a third dose.” But almost every patient who had to be hospitalized was unvaccinated, he said.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2021, 02:54:50 PM
Natural immunity...where did that conversion go?
SA is a good example of what should happen..there omicron peak has passed and it was nothing compared to previous variants
The fear is vaccinated but still extremely unhealthy ppl...most of the ones you see rolling around in the malls these days...will have worse reactions than natural immunity in South Africa...but so far that has not been the case either
Waiting for the SC to rule potato heads mandate illegal...
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 03:12:19 PM
The fear is vaccinated but still extremely unhealthy ppl...most of the ones you see rolling around in the malls these days...will have worse reactions than natural immunity in South Africa...but so far that has not been the case either
You're waxing random, at this point, sir. :headscratch:
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2021, 03:40:38 PM
Welcome back Arlo..you were missed :)
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
In a series of Twitter posts, Craig Spencer, who teaches emergency medicine at Columbia University Medical Center, said every boosted patient he has seen in the emergency room has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath. Those who have had two doses of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines also have had mild symptoms, he said, “but more than those who had received a third dose.” But almost every patient who had to be hospitalized was unvaccinated, he said.
I am sure he sees a lot of patients in his class. Very few people are hospitalized compared to how many actually get it. Many have little or no symptoms. Many more are fraudulently put on the list that should not be on there.
But like I said... at least it is curing cancer, heart disease, aids, STDs, hang nails...... etc.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2021, 05:02:22 PM
I am sure he sees a lot of patients in his class. Very few people are hospitalized compared to how many actually get it. Many have little or no symptoms. Many more are fraudulently put on the list that should not be on there.
But like I said... at least it is curing cancer, heart disease, (snip the devolving silliness)
Apparently, you would attribute deaths to nothing but non-Covid co-morbidities without giving Covid any impact at all (when, symptomatically, it has proven otherwise). When a virus accelerates the death of someone already suffering from other conditions then it ... caused the death. Seems hyperbole cuts both ways (if not more-so against the sarcastically stubborn denial of the deaths that resulted from Covid infection).
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 28, 2021, 10:03:06 PM
It says 55% mortality. Mortality typically indicates death in spite of treatment. Words matter. If that supposedly requires 'clarification/translation' then data misuse or massaging becomes the issue. :huh
There are many writers in the world who are quite bad at making things clear, but some of the worst are scientists and lawyers. This stuff is written by scientists, so there we have it. We can complain about it all we want, but it's like complaining that Texas is too hot in the summer. OK, but that's just how things are.
Here, they are giving a table of data. I didn't think it was confusing, but I also looked at it a few times already, read some papers, etc., and so was more used to it.
The table is titled "Ivermectin for Covid-19", and they list the data columns as "Improvement, Studies, Patients". Then they give a bunch of rows of data, such as "All studies", "Mortality", etc.
This means in the case of "Mortality", they purport "55%" as the "Improvement", "32" in the "Studies" column, and "43,529" in the "Patients" column.
One useful thing when reading stuff by scientists (knowing that it might be confusingly written) is, if something doesn't make any sense (like a mortality rate of 55%), it might mean that the reader is misinterpreting things and has to dig at it more to see if that crazy thing is really what the author is intending.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Imagine being scared of a Nobel Prize winning "wonder drug" medicine, and then using a propaganda press to scare people into taking it. Wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Imagine being scared of a Nobel Prize winning "wonder drug" medicine, and then using a propaganda press to scare people into taking it. Wrong on so many levels.
Your post is wrong on so many levels. You may wanna check your facts before you insert them into your massaged reality. :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2021, 09:33:00 AM
Your post is wrong on so many levels. You may wanna check your facts before you insert them into your massaged reality. :huh
Actually it's not, as I've done far more research on this than you. You and your propaganda press want people to take the vaccine to push a big pharma fascist agenda while providing no alternative that actually is saving people's lives. It's pathetic man.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2021, 09:50:01 AM
Actually it's not, as I've done far more research on this than you. You and your propaganda press want people to take the vaccine to push a big pharma fascist agenda while providing no alternative that actually is saving people's lives. It's pathetic man.
Bookmarking conspiracy pages in not 'research.' First, find out about Nobel Peace Prize winners versus nominees. Second, apply your 'critical thinking' fully 360' to see how much of a 'propaganda machine' your 'research sources' are. :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2021, 10:04:35 AM
Oh, and, the profits of a free vaccine must be staggering for 'Big Pharma.' ;)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on December 29, 2021, 10:19:58 AM
Not to start getting frustrated, I understand your guys point of view of what happened to some of the bowl games being canceled and some still going on. But could we change the topic back to the college football playoffs pretty please. I read some of the point of views, and was just wanting to talk about football only. I wanted to mention that Alabama said that they feel like they are underdogs in this game which I consider weird that they have a decent offense, and a good QB. And yet I feel UC is the underdog for this.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2021, 10:27:00 AM
I doubt anyone really thinks Alabama is the underdog. I assume the guy said it because of the hype Cincy is getting. It's the same hype 12-0 Notre Dame got before getting curb stomped by Clemson 30-3. The spread is 13.5 and really that is all that needs to be said.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
Our tax dollars are paying for this free shot and not just for Americans...
Eagler
And you think that amount of federal reimbursement makes providing a vaccine, globally, at no cost upon receipt, a profitable scheme that is a scam? No, really? :huh
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2021, 01:56:39 PM
And you think that amount of federal reimbursement makes providing a vaccine, globally, at no cost upon receipt, a profitable scheme that is a scam? No, really? :huh
What?
I am stating no one is doing any of this for free..
Our tax dollars are paying for it all
How do you think potato head is going to pay for all the "free" home tests he promised?
What about the vaccines the US "donated " to the poorest countries?
Ya think the manufacturer are going to donate them out of the goodness of their own hearts?
Only the really ignorant think anything is free from the government and it might be mostly for them as they are barely scrapping by..see Obama care for a fine example of that scheme
Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2021, 02:08:04 PM
I am stating no one is doing any of this for free..
Our tax dollars are paying for it all
How do you think potato head is going to pay for all the "free" home tests he promised?
What about the vaccines the US "donated " to the poorest countries?
Ya think the manufacturer are going to donate them out of the goodness of their own hearts?
Only the really ignorant think anything is free from the government and it might be mostly for them as they are barely scrapping by..see Obama care for a fine example of that scheme
Eagler
Focus. The whole 'Big Pharma scam' thing that DS is selling is paranoid delusion. Yes, federal tax dollars are used to reimburse the vaccine manufacturers. It isn't a profitable scam. If you want to go full blown 'waste of our tax dollars at our expense for other's profit' mindset then consider steering threads toward defense department funding. Oh, roll tide roll. ;)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
Focus. The whole 'Big Pharma scam' thing that DS is selling is paranoid delusion. Yes, federal tax dollars are used to reimburse the vaccine manufacturers. It isn't a profitable scam. If you want to go full blown 'waste of our tax dollars at our expense for other's profit' mindset then consider steering threads toward defense department funding. Oh, roll tide roll. ;)
If the government mandates a bodily substance that a private company makes, and the US government pays for it and makes a return on it, markets it, and forces people to take it. While using propaganda to discredit alternatives that actually are helping people. Why that would be considered fascism, correct?
By the way, I hope GA woops Bama this weekend. Really hope to see a good game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2021, 06:35:53 PM
If the government mandates a bodily substance that a private company makes, and the US government pays for it and makes a return on it, markets it, and forces people to take it. While using propaganda to discredit alternatives that actually are helping people. Why that would be considered fascism, correct?
1. The federal govt. doesn't have a universal mandate forcing the vaccine on all U.S. citizens. 2. How have you determined that there is a return on the reimbursement and, if so, how much are you imagining? 3. Alternatives have not proven to be better than the vaccine. No 'propaganda' needed. 4. I've received a formal education (both in history and political science) on what fascism is and is not. It didn't involve 'researching' online conspiracy sites to tell me what to regurgitate.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 30, 2021, 03:31:41 AM
1. The federal govt. doesn't have a universal mandate forcing the vaccine on all U.S. citizens.
No, but it's trying some angles anyway, such as with the attempt to mandate vaccination for employees.
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2. How have you determined that there is a return on the reimbursement and, if so, how much are you imagining?
Not directed at me, but since you are interested: There are many $billions in profits, many 10's of $billions in revenue, and many $billions in market-cap increase.
This is for half a year (1st half of 2021) in Covid vaccine sales:
Pfizer had revenue of $11 billion.
BioNTech had revenue of $22 billion and profit of $5.5 billion. Also, its stock went from $40 in 2020 to $241 today, an increase in market cap of $10 billion.
Moderna had revenue of $6 billion and profit of $4 billion. Also, its stock went from $19 in 2020 to $247 today, an increase in market cap of $8 billion.
This according to: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/11/covid-19-vaccines-the-contracts-prices-and-profits And stock and market caps taken from finance.yahoo.com
Those profits aren't (in my opinion) bad if you want companies to come up with and produce such things for you. Also, $50 billion/year is small potatoes compared to the $trillions the government is spending otherwise on Covid-related stuff. But it's not charity work.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 30, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
Ahh damnit. Got that mixed up. Would love to see that Cincinnati upset haha but I think Bama gonna crush em. GA V Michigan should be a close one I hope.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2021, 08:44:09 AM
No, but it's trying some angles anyway, such as with the attempt to mandate vaccination for employees.
Actually, the private sector is beating them to the punch there. But they are requiring those with federal contracts to step in line. Not nearly as radical a move as those with a political grudge attempt to paint.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2021, 09:03:02 AM
Actually, the private sector is beating them to the punch there. But they are requiring those with federal contracts to step in line. Not nearly as radical a move as those with a political grudge attempt to paint.
Uhhh what's this whole "if you have more than 100 employees, they must get vaxxed" mandate. Cleary an over reach. How about thousands of long term teachers, nurses, doctors, and career workers and military men losing their jobs over this BS mandate by a single person in governmen. That's corrupt and cowardly and not sure how you support this level of actual fascism.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
Uhhh what's this whole "if you have more than 100 employees, they must get vaxxed" mandate. Cleary an over reach. How about thousands of long term teachers, nurses, doctors, and career workers and military men losing their jobs over this BS mandate by a single person in governmen. That's corrupt and cowardly and not sure how you support this level of actual fascism.
The OSHA requirement calls for vaccination OR weekly tests. While you're busily doing your 'Look at them there Fascists!' tap-dance - lets take a casual stroll through recent history so you can have a hissy about that, as well: https://www.history.com/news/polio-fear-post-wwii-era
Leaving out key details is kinda reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels in many ways but I guess you're immune to such accusations as you make such. ;)
(Enough with the melodramatic false equivalency.)
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 30, 2021, 11:41:04 AM
Not to start getting frustrated, I understand your guys point of view of what happened to some of the bowl games being canceled and some still going on. But could we change the topic back to the college football playoffs pretty please. I read some of the point of views, and was just wanting to talk about football only. I wanted to mention that Alabama said that they feel like they are underdogs in this game which I consider weird that they have a decent offense, and a good QB. And yet I feel UC is the underdog for this.
MOTIVATION.... :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2021, 03:47:40 AM
Actually, the private sector is beating them to the punch there. But they are requiring those with federal contracts to step in line. Not nearly as radical a move as those with a political grudge attempt to paint.
Actually, no.
There are three federal mandates.
First is the big one. Biden's Executive Order 13999, resulting in OSHA's ETS. It requires employees at all companies with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated or do weekly Covid tests (among other requirements on staffing, tracking, reporting, etc.). It is not just federal contractors -- it is all companies with >= 100 employees.
Second is the lesser one you are talking about. Biden's Executive Order 14042, mandating vaccination for employees of companies that do federal contracting, and I suppose individual federal contractors -- and for all subcontractors (i.e., companies that do work for a contractor but are not themselves contractors).
Third is the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) rule that requires all healthcare workers at CMS-covered health facilities to be vaccinated.
You can read about these three tiers of federal mandates and their current status in the courts here: https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/health-safety/1146090/status-of-federal-vaccine-or-test-mandates
All sides today have "a political grudge" and "attempt to paint" things -- not just the side you don't like. To get a more-complete view requires reading stuff from both sides.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2021, 03:56:18 AM
I watched the Michigan State / Pitt game. That had some interesting swings and was a game to the end.
I watched some of the Tennessee / Purdue game. That also was an interesting game right to the end.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on December 31, 2021, 09:59:40 AM
I pretty much covered those. None of that involves a universal requirement to vaccinate all U.S. citizens like DS wants to pretend. It's a health and wellness issue and even then the public (with the aforementioned exceptions) are left free to be as stupid as they want. :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on December 31, 2021, 04:06:18 PM
Someone for Bama needs to take Cincinatti's 125 lb. punter out. What a goober.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2021, 06:59:53 PM
But they are requiring those with federal contracts to step in line. Not nearly as radical a move as those with a political grudge attempt to paint.
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None of that involves a universal requirement to vaccinate all U.S. citizens like DS wants to pretend. It's a health and wellness issue and even then the public (with the aforementioned exceptions) are left free to be as stupid as they want. :aok
Nope, not up to 100% yet. But as I pointed out, they are making a good run at it so far.
The existing mandates cover 2/3rds of all workers in the US. https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/econ/g12-susb.pdf
There's one that covers companies. Tweak it to cover more companies. There's one that covers health-care workers. Do one to cover educational workers. Add one that covers students. Add one that covers food-service workers. There's one that covers federal contractors and subcontractors. Add one that covers companies and people who get government assistance. Add one that covers companies and people who use any public facilities. And so on.
I don't feel that any of this is constitutional, and courts are working to decide that issue.
It might turn out, though, that the government drops all of this -- as Omicron might put an end to this zombie apocalypse in the next couple of months.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2021, 07:01:55 PM
Just watched the Bearcats sink under the waves after the Crimson Tide rolled in.
They did hold Alabama to not many points for Alabama, though.
On to Michigan vs. Georgia! Go Blue!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on December 31, 2021, 10:42:12 PM
Cincinnati went fairly as expected. They are not used to playing on that level.
I really thought Michigan would put up a bit of a game. Not so in the end.
Ends up just as I called it.... SEC Championship game again.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
Alas, my beloved Wolverines were ground into a fine powder and dispersed over the field.
Ah, well -- on to next year! :aok
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on January 01, 2022, 05:47:06 AM
I am sad UC is out now. I was reading an SI article, and Nick Saban the coach of Bama said quote for quote, that "UC does belong in the playoffs." Coming from a coach who has gotten Bama to many championships, I give him respect seriously.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 01, 2022, 01:08:02 PM
I am sad UC is out now. I was reading an SI article, and Nick Saban the coach of Bama said quote for quote, that "UC does belong in the playoffs." Coming from a coach who has gotten Bama to many championships, I give him respect seriously.
What was Nick supposed to say? I'm pretty sure he and Kirby are just happy to have put the formality games behind them so they can once again concentrate on big boy football. I know this sounds harsh, but Cincinnati exceeding their own expectations does not make them playoff material. Maybe in an eight team playoff. Maybe.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on January 01, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
So the way I read it, is this. Big boy teams always will have the best players, and have the huge money they always get. And the formality teams like UC who are small admittedly can be in a 8 game playoff which I get doesn't make them playoff material?
I am just in shock with that. I am like, doesn't anyone remember anything 'could' happen in playoffs or anything in between. Rush I get where you come from that Big Boys get the big bucks and the big admission numbers, but you have to consider on this, small teams who can push as hard as they do want to show their presence. The way you mention it, it's like Saban was saying under his breath that they don't deserve it while actually not saying it during interviews.
I think from here on out, I'm going to now stay out of these type chats since it seems that small teams should have 8 team playoffs, and just stop there.
Only factor I will focus on now is the 'corrupt' NFL with the Burrow/Chase show for a big game for the potential clinching of the AFC North which will be a huge game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 01, 2022, 04:10:40 PM
So the way I read it, is this. Big boy teams always will have the best players, and have the huge money they always get. And the formality teams like UC who are small admittedly can be in a 8 game playoff which I get doesn't make them playoff material?
But we are currently in a four-game format. I admitted that I might consider them in an eight-game format. You are correct about Cincinnati being at a disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and money. The team they put together this season was pretty amazing considering.
I am just in shock with that. I am like, doesn't anyone remember anything 'could' happen in playoffs or anything in between. Rush I get where you come from that Big Boys get the big bucks and the big admission numbers, but you have to consider on this, small teams who can push as hard as they do want to show their presence. The way you mention it, it's like Saban was saying under his breath that they don't deserve it while actually not saying it during interviews.
As I stated above, what is Satan supposed to say? I completely understand why a team like Cincinnati would want to showcase their talent on the big stage and with an expanded playoff format I would be ok with that.
I think from here on out, I'm going to now stay out of these type chats since it seems that small teams should have 8 team playoffs, and just stop there.
Under the current format, as long as you are one of the best four teams in the country it doesn't matter how large or small your team's school is. I think many would agree that the best four teams in the country did not play last night. I also do not think that my or anyone else's opinion should cause you to leave a chat. It is just a game, and sports chat/debates are fun.
Only factor I will focus on now is the 'corrupt' NFL with the Burrow/Chase show for a big game for the potential clinching of the AFC North which will be a huge game.
I hate the NFL.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 01, 2022, 04:17:34 PM
Under the current format, as long as you are one of the best four teams in the country it doesn't matter how large or small your team's school is. I think many would agree that the best four teams in the country did not play last night. I also do not think that my or anyone else's opinion should cause you to leave a chat. It is just a game, and sports chat/debates are fun.
I haven't had a chance to start in on Brooke and the B10 yet.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on January 01, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
I get your POV Rush. I appreciate that. I understand people hate NFL, but ngl.... After the Reds choked a chance for a playoff push, the (NHL) Columbus Blue Jackets are in a new rebuild again. The NFL is really the only thing I could keep a good eye on, because of years of issues with Mike Brown being a cheap owner, and with some of the free agent signings, the Bengals/Bungals (I admit they had terrible years, and one and done wild card games under Marvin Lewis, and Zac Taylor still needs to relay on his Offense Coordinator more than him making the calls.) This year, they may have an honest chance, but have to face the Chiefs tomorrow to hopefully clinch the North.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 01, 2022, 05:17:11 PM
I haven't had a chance to start in on Brooke and the B10 yet.
:cry Alas, my beloved Wolverines. :cry But hey, they outscored Georgia in the 2nd half! So -- we half beat them, right? ;) (We don't need to talk about the 1st half. 1st halves are so . . . pre-halftime that they barely deserve consideration.)
Penn State and Iowa also lost. And Rutgers. Purdue, Mich State, Maryland, and Wisconsin won.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 01, 2022, 08:39:37 PM
:cry Alas, my beloved Wolverines. :cry But hey, they outscored Georgia in the 2nd half! So -- we half beat them, right? ;) (We don't need to talk about the 1st half. 1st halves are so . . . pre-halftime that they barely deserve consideration.)
I've also never understood why there are not eight quarters in a football game.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Arlo on January 01, 2022, 09:22:52 PM
What was Nick supposed to say? I'm pretty sure he and Kirby are just happy to have put the formality games behind them so they can once again concentrate on big boy football. I know this sounds harsh, but Cincinnati exceeding their own expectations does not make them playoff material. Maybe in an eight team playoff. Maybe.
Hopefully this is the year they (the CFP committee) will learn their lesson after failing twice with Notre Dame in the past. Surprisingly the Bama Cincy game was better than Georgia Michigan.
I'm not opposed to an expansion in general, but it won't accomplish a whole lot other than make the NCAA more money. If you went from 4 to 8, you'd have Alabama playing Ole Miss. While I think any of the top 15 teams would've been a better inclusion than Cincy, the result will still be the same. It's a lot different with Basketball because the gap between great and average teams is much smaller.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 01, 2022, 10:15:34 PM
Hopefully this is the year they (the CFP committee) will learn their lesson after failing twice with Notre Dame in the past. Surprisingly the Bama Cincy game was better than Georgia Michigan.
I'm not opposed to an expansion in general, but it won't accomplish a whole lot other than make the NCAA more money. If you went from 4 to 8, you'd have Alabama playing Ole Miss. While I think any of the top 15 teams would've been a better inclusion than Cincy, the result will still be the same. It's a lot different with Basketball because the gap between great and average teams is much smaller.
And I thought I was being a little harsh on Cincinnati. As for basketball, it's the 3 pointer. Take away the 3 pt. shot and there would be much less parity. Same could be said for Nascar if not for restrictor plates. We could probably think of more examples. But, the fans/sponsors/advertisers ultimately call the shots.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on January 03, 2022, 08:12:35 AM
I get your POV Rush. I appreciate that. I understand people hate NFL, but ngl.... After the Reds choked a chance for a playoff push, the (NHL) Columbus Blue Jackets are in a new rebuild again. The NFL is really the only thing I could keep a good eye on, because of years of issues with Mike Brown being a cheap owner, and with some of the free agent signings, the Bengals/Bungals (I admit they had terrible years, and one and done wild card games under Marvin Lewis, and Zac Taylor still needs to relay on his Offense Coordinator more than him making the calls.) This year, they may have an honest chance, but have to face the Chiefs tomorrow to hopefully clinch the North.
Also 1990 as well. And the Bengals won yesterday and are AFC North Champs so I am happy.
A little before your time I think, but you guys had a pretty good defensive back in the 70's and early 80's by the name of Ken Riley. We're from the same town and I was classmates with his son during that time.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 03, 2022, 08:26:34 AM
And I thought I was being a little harsh on Cincinnati.
Meh. It's no disrespect to the program, just the truth. You want someone besides Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, (used to be) Clemson in it every single year. But if you want the true 4 best teams, no team from the "AAC" is it, and realistically no Pac-12 on average either.
The committee has this fascination with these Cinderella teams and it just doesn't work like Basketball does. Point values aside, in basketball you have 5 or 6 people that might be better than the other 5 or 6 as opposed to an entire 53 man roster where even the 3rd stringers are better than their 1st stringers.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on January 03, 2022, 09:36:08 AM
A little before your time I think, but you guys had a pretty good defensive back in the 70's and early 80's by the name of Ken Riley. We're from the same town and I was classmates with his son during that time.
My mom worked the Freezer Bowl, and does remember Ken Riley. I just hope this could be the year we finally don't have a 1 and done like the years with the Lewis era.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Mano on January 04, 2022, 04:42:12 PM
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Not nervous !
:salute
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 04, 2022, 05:42:48 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 10, 2022, 08:52:32 PM
Hell of a game so far going into halftime. Glad it's close. UGA definitely looking jittery on offense.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 10, 2022, 10:14:04 PM
Wow, not really sure how that "fumble" by UGA was any different than the first drive by Bama that they called back.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 10, 2022, 10:34:20 PM
Am I the only one here who doesn't understand why the biggest game of the year starts at 8pm on a freaking Monday? After a long day at work/school to start the game so late so that it doesn't end until 12am... no kid is going to be able to stay up that late to finish it. All my friends are freaking passed out already and they are UGA fans. They should have this game on Saturday at 5pm or something. I think they are missing out big time on ratings and commercials. Especially when every other game is on a Saturday. It's stupid that the west coast gets all the benefit, getting to watch the game right after work and it's over by 9. Especially when the west coast has nothing to do with these teams. I just think it's so stupid. They did the same thing with thr world series games and it just grinds me gears.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on January 10, 2022, 10:53:34 PM
Well the state of Georgia has a lot of good karma they're due. This pays back some of it.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 10, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Such a great game. So glad for UGA, Kirby, and Bennett So glad they beat Bama. Amazing resilience by the UGA defense.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 11, 2022, 04:44:15 AM
33-18, definitely a strong performance again by Georgia.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Spikes on January 11, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Quite the snooze fest in the first half - went to bed after a couple 2nd half drives. Glad it got better for everyone else watching!
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Shuffler on January 11, 2022, 08:08:29 AM
Quite the snooze fest in the first half - went to bed after a couple 2nd half drives. Glad it got better for everyone else watching!
It is ignorant to have it so late on a Monday night. Homeless people don't have jobs.... usually don't have TVs either. Why would an advertiser want to advertise to a homeless person? :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: perdue3 on January 11, 2022, 05:41:13 PM
It is ignorant to have it so late on a Monday night. Homeless people don't have jobs.... usually don't have TVs either. Why would an advertiser want to advertise to a homeless person? :rofl
Never cease to entertain.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: LNG15 on January 15, 2022, 08:56:36 PM
Not intending to start any controversy, but my Bengals (NFL, yes I know.) won tonight. So I am happy.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on January 29, 2022, 07:20:04 PM
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 30, 2022, 12:21:12 AM
All those years at Notre Dame, Kelly was suppressing his native Cajun accent.
Either that, or he has nearly the greatest ability of any human to generate cringiness.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on January 30, 2022, 12:23:50 AM
Michigan lost their new defensive coordinator, who came from the Ravens less than a year ago, back to the Ravens as the new Ravens defensive coordinator.
Ah well -- it was great to have him for a season.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on February 02, 2022, 10:01:35 AM
Michigan lost their new defensive coordinator, who came from the Ravens less than a year ago, back to the Ravens as the new Ravens defensive coordinator.
Ah well -- it was great to have him for a season.
I'm reading that they may lose their HC too.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on February 02, 2022, 05:15:39 PM
It's possible, but folks aren't sure either way. I hope that Harbaugh stays as Michigan's head coach.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on February 11, 2022, 01:59:44 AM
Well, Michigan kept Harbaugh but lost both its defensive and offensive coordinators. Quite a lot of drama!
They got a defensive coordinator as close as possible to the one who left (another guy from the Ravens defense system), and internally promoted to fill the offensive coordinator position.
I'm interested to see how it all pans out.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on June 30, 2022, 03:13:43 PM
Jon Wilner @wilnerhotline Source: USC and UCLA are planning to leave for the Big Ten as early as 2024. Move *has not been finalized* at the highest levels of power. 1:23 PM · Jun 30, 2022·TweetDeck
Pete Thamel @PeteThamel Spoke to a few sources who called USC and UCLA's move to the Big Ten a formality, with a press conference expected in next 24 hours. Perhaps as soon as tonight. This is essentially done. 2:40 PM · Jun 30, 2022·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on June 30, 2022, 04:11:26 PM
Jon Wilner @wilnerhotline Source: USC and UCLA are planning to leave for the Big Ten as early as 2024. Move *has not been finalized* at the highest levels of power. 1:23 PM · Jun 30, 2022·TweetDeck
Pete Thamel @PeteThamel Spoke to a few sources who called USC and UCLA's move to the Big Ten a formality, with a press conference expected in next 24 hours. Perhaps as soon as tonight. This is essentially done. 2:40 PM · Jun 30, 2022·Twitter Web App
I saw it today. It is confirmed USC and UCLA to joined in 2024.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 30, 2022, 06:52:11 PM
Wow. Big changes with NIL; Texas and Oklahoma to SEC; and now USC and UCLA to Big 10.
Seems pretty bad for Big 12 and Pac 12.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: oakranger on June 30, 2022, 08:50:51 PM
Wow. Big changes with NIL; Texas and Oklahoma to SEC; and now USC and UCLA to Big 10.
Seems pretty bad for Big 12 and Pac 12.
There may be more. KU, Boise state, OkSt, ISU, Mephis and Cincy in talks with big ten
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: Brooke on June 30, 2022, 08:58:57 PM
Man, that's a lot.
I wonder if we end up with two conferences: SEC and Big 10.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: BoilerDown on July 01, 2022, 01:35:51 PM
Seems headed that way.
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here may be more. KU, Boise state, OkSt, ISU, Mephis and Cincy in talks with big ten
I will say I highly doubt the B1G accepts any school not in the AAU.
Title: Re: College football 2020
Post by: RUSH1 on July 09, 2022, 01:09:17 PM
I'm reading that NC, Clemson, FSU and Virginia have been meeting with the SEC, and that ESPN is working on getting out of their TV contract with the ACC.