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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Mister Fork on November 09, 2020, 10:40:20 AM
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If someone want's to give the game another go after a year, I'd say let them. Might be enough to convince them it's a great game!
Cause right now, even if you come back after a year or two, it'll still say that you've already had a free 2 weeks. Sometimes life gets in the way and they can't fly again after their first try and they end up wasting their free two weeks.
Or maybe make it time based? Say, free 64 hours of flying?
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Heck.... have them hunt for Shuffler to get extra time. I sure won't have to look for fights. :devil
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If someone want's to give the game another go after a year, I'd say let them. Might be enough to convince them it's a great game!
Cause right now, even if you come back after a year or two, it'll still say that you've already had a free 2 weeks. Sometimes life gets in the way and they can't fly again after their first try and they end up wasting their free two weeks.
Or maybe make it time based? Say, free 64 hours of flying?
I'm certainly not opposed to this. I think after a period of time, the 2 weeks trial should be given back. This will allow long time players to recheck out the game again without having to pay. It would being more players into the game. Thus making the fights better. I believe a player who hasn't played in while will be less likely to pay the $15 to play for a month if they don't get another shot to play the game for free. I think you have more benefits to having more players in the game giving them another chance rather than them not trying the game again because of the $15 barrier. To me its a psychological thing that would be beneficial.
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If 15 bucks is a barrier they should save their money for their next meal.
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If 15 bucks is a barrier they should save their money for their next meal.
There's are zillions of games for free. $15 for one month is steep for a competitive advantage in today's market. After 4 months you have already purchased most other games and can play them for "free" for ever. I think that's one of thr draw backs to the subscription model.
Honestly, if I sucked at AH like I do in Halo. It would be hard for me to keep payin.
I think any promo to get old players back into the game is good.
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There's are zillions of games for free. $15 for one month is steep for a competitive advantage in today's market. After 4 months you have already purchased most other games and can play them for "free" for ever. I think that's one of thr draw backs to the subscription model.
Honestly, if I sucked at AH like I do in Halo. It would be hard for me to keep payin.
I think any promo to get old players back into the game is good.
Funny how some folks are so generous with other folks hard work and money.
No game is actually free.
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No game is actually free.
I know people who have thousands of hours into various games and have not paid a penny. Just because you don't play any free games doesn't mean they don't exist.
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I know people who have thousands of hours into various games and have not paid a penny. Just because you don't play any free games doesn't mean they don't exist.
But they were sold for money......
Game developers do not work for free. They like to eat too.
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I find it funny that people, well some, complain about taking 10 or 15 minutes to fly to a fight.
then they go play a game that takes that long just to start the engine.
semp
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But they were sold for money......
Game developers do not work for free. They like to eat too.
You normally have to take risk and pay more money to upgrade your business and get new customers. That's just how it works. Whether it be commercials or software upgrades, or promotional sales ect. Re-allowing a 2 week free trial after a year or so probably wouldn't hurt the business cash that badly, but may aquire a subscriber for another 2-3 months after that. More people in the game create better fights and thus create more subscribers who want to partake in bigger better fights. More people playing the games creates a healthier supply of subscribers.
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+1
Imo there are probably a lot of former players that think about the game every now and then. They remember the learning curve and how much effort will go into getting close to where they once were. Then they think well what if: I don’t like the changes made to the game, don’t like the game play tactics, don’t have a computer/vid card that has kept up with graphics of AHIII, etc...
When I came back in the early summer I was having fun, but couldn’t remember BFM/ACM and had to decide is it worth the time and effort to get back to where I was...
And yes $ plays into that, 15$ a month to come back maybe worth it to many former players, but if they could get 2 weeks again to see it might go a long way. Just my .02
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You normally have to take risk and pay more money to upgrade your business and get new customers. That's just how it works. Whether it be commercials or software upgrades, or promotional sales ect. Re-allowing a 2 week free trial after a year or so probably wouldn't hurt the business cash that badly, but may aquire a subscriber for another 2-3 months after that. More people in the game create better fights and thus create more subscribers who want to partake in bigger better fights. More people playing the games creates a healthier supply of subscribers.
I know business.... :D
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Oh and also +1 to the J2M being added
Yah I know it’s an :old: wish...
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I’m mostly thinking of younger players, especially if we want to recruit new blood. Most of us who fly are nearing retirement or already are.
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You normally have to take risk and pay more money to upgrade your business and get new customers. That's just how it works. Whether it be commercials or software upgrades, or promotional sales ect. Re-allowing a 2 week free trial after a year or so probably wouldn't hurt the business cash that badly, but may aquire a subscriber for another 2-3 months after that. More people in the game create better fights and thus create more subscribers who want to partake in bigger better fights. More people playing the games creates a healthier supply of subscribers.
Do you realize what your are stating "probably wouldn't hurt the business cash that badly" is a non starter? If the net effect of Reset of 2 free weeks is a positive , it would not hurt cash.
But the analysis you need to look at is.
1. Previous players downloads AH tries to create an account. Sees 2 week free is not available and leaves.
2. Previous player tries AH , pays for one month, and then leaves.
3. Previous player tries AH , pays for one month, and stays.
4. Previous player tries AH 2 weeks free,and then leaves.
5. Previous player tries AH 2 weeks free and stays.
I believe these are the only 5 possibilities.
My guess is that anyone in case 5 would also be in case 3.
And anyone in case 4 would also be in case 1.
And hence would not be a net gain but a net loss. Because anyone who is going to stay would not be deterred by the lack of 2 free weeks. And anyone who is deterred by the lack of 2 free weeks would not stay anyway.
HiTech
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And hence would not be a net gain but a net loss. Because anyone who is going to stay would not be deterred by the lack of 2 free weeks. And anyone who is deterred by the lack of 2 free weeks would not stay anyway.
I don't know if I would totally agree. Logically you are correct, but from a marketing angle I think you are underestimating the psychological "lure" power of come claim your "free" thing. By the time they have downloaded the new versions, gotten their controls setup and played for two weeks you've at least gotten them there in the arena and at least have a chance to convince them to stay. Getting them that far is the main lift.
You could really say the same thing for the two week trial even for new players. Anyone who is interested enough in WWII air combat could just pay to try a month. it's only $15 bucks. Logically $15 is nothing to try out a game for a month, but psychologically I don't think most people would go for that.
Logical and psychological are two different things.
Like HBO occasionally has free weekends where you can watch even if you are not a subscriber. Repeatedly at least once a year it seems like. That might be an alternative approach. You could control that more. Choose time when people will be home live Memorial day weekend or Thanksgiving or Xmas week. Have a free week that anyone can play even if they had already had a trial before. That has the marketing advantage of a limited time offer that might get it spread around. Also, this approach wouldn't be something you would have to commit to long term. You can choose when to have a free AH week when and if you want or never again. The key would be to advertise it well in advance so word can spread before the event.
$0.02.
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Like HBO occasionally has free weekends where you can watch even if you are not a subscriber. Repeatedly at least once a year it seems like. That might be an alternative approach. You could control that more. Choose time when people will be home live Memorial day weekend or Thanksgiving or Xmas week. Have a free week that anyone can play even if they had already had a trial before. That has the marketing advantage of a limited time offer that might get it spread around. Also, this approach wouldn't be something you would have to commit to long term. You can choose when to have a free AH week when and if you want or never again. The key would be to advertise it well in advance so word can spread before the event.
I like that idea.
- oldman
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i watch hbo every time they have it for free, won't subscribe.
what makes me pay is if they'll give it to you 1 or 2 months for free and i forget to unsubscribe. so i pay for a month, watch it since i already paid, then forget about it next month.
that's not how hitech wants it.
semp
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i watch hbo every time they have it for free, won't subscribe.
what makes me pay is if they'll give it to you 1 or 2 months for free and i forget to unsubscribe. so i pay for a month, watch it since i already paid, then forget about it next month.
that's not how hitech wants it.
semp
The question is, how many new subscribers do they get though? As Hitech stated, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't beneficial.
Unlike Aces High, HBO doesn't depend on subscribers to make the business entertaining, by that I mean, more people playing AH makes the fights bigger and thus more action and combat for subscribers, thus more people are likely to subscribe for that action. Its very much a chain reaction for fhe most part. HBO only depends on subscribers for revenue but does not depend on subscribers for entertainment.
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why don't you send an email to hitech, pretty sure he'll tell you every thing about his business.
then again he just gave an explanation, you just didn't like the answer.
used to work at an insurance company, had a thousand kids like you, always came in with ideas that had already been tried and failed. but they were always sure this time it would work. and then the whine was because old timers didn't want to change. they never saw they could "save" the company by just doing the work.
so do your job and play the game, if you aren't having fun then figure out what's wrong in how you play. let hitech do his.
semp
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LOL HBOs free days let's me know I am not missing a thing.
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why don't you send an email to hitech, pretty sure he'll tell you every thing about his business.
then again he just gave an explanation, you just didn't like the answer.
used to work at an insurance company, had a thousand kids like you, always came in with ideas that had already been tried and failed. but they were always sure this time it would work. and then the whine was because old timers didn't want to change. they never saw they could "save" the company by just doing the work.
so do your job and play the game, if you aren't having fun then figure out what's wrong in how you play. let hitech do his.
semp
I never stated that I didn't like Hitechs answer. I understand his answer, but I also understand trips answer.
I was responding to you, not Hitech.
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I never stated that I didn't like Hitechs answer. I understand his answer, but I also understand trips answer.
I was responding to you, not Hitech.
of course. but hitech also posted that new players only play for like 15 minutes and I am not quoting him directly, that is just based on my memory, then they quit and never log in again.
were you around when the push for steam was here? dont know how many actually joined, but not many went past those 15 minutes.
semp
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of course. but hitech also posted that new players only play for like 15 minutes and I am not quoting him directly, that is just based on my memory, then they quit and never log in again.
were you around when the push for steam was here? dont know how many actually joined, but not many went past those 15 minutes.
semp
Remember that Hitechs post was a logical assumption or hypothesis, just as Trips was, just as this wish is. No one truly knows if they are right until it's actually implemented.
I personally feel that this promotion would work, because I feel like giving a player the ability to retry something at no loss is beneficial to them, and the game. It would increase the #s in the MA which might make more people resubscribe because the fights appear bigger and the game looks more popular. If a player realizes he has to pay and does not choose to subscribe, to me, that is an opportunity loss. There is a chance that they might actually subscribe if they get to try it. At least they would increase the #s in the MA which would be beneficial to everyone who is playing.
With steam, I feel like maybe we got on steam too soon before some things were iron pressed. That being said, I feel like steam is a great chance to run promotions and be marketable. Im not sure how it all works though. Hitech saying people didn't stay longer than 15 minutes was a while ago, so perhaps things have changed considering new training mods have been implemented.
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Remember that Hitechs post was a logical assumption or hypothesis, just as Trips was, just as this wish is. No one truly knows if they are right until it's actually implemented.
I personally feel that this promotion would work, because I feel like giving a player the ability to retry something at no loss is beneficial to them, and the game. It would increase the #s in the MA which might make more people resubscribe because the fights appear bigger and the game looks more popular. If a player realizes he has to pay and does not choose to subscribe, to me, that is an opportunity loss. There is a chance that they might actually subscribe if they get to try it. At least they would increase the #s in the MA which would be beneficial to everyone who is playing.
With steam, I feel like maybe we got on steam too soon before some things were iron pressed. That being said, I feel like steam is a great chance to run promotions and be marketable. Im not sure how it all works though. Hitech saying people didn't stay longer than 15 minutes was a while ago, so perhaps things have changed considering new training mods have been implemented.
Remember that HiTech's post was a business decision made by a person who started a business and made it successful.
Your post is by a person who complains about 15 bucks a month for a game that he can play any time day or night for that whole month.
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Remember that HiTech's post was a business decision made by a person who started a business and made it successful.
Your post is by a person who complains about 15 bucks a month for a game that he can play any time day or night for that whole month.
I'm not complaining. I am looking at ways to get more people into the game.
I really wish you guys would stop putting emotions and words in my mouth that I never said or had.
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I'm not complaining. I am looking at ways to get more people into the game.
I really wish you guys would stop putting emotions and words in my mouth that I never said or had.
Same. It's just an idea. We understand the business facts behind Hitech's comment and our suggestions were just that. A suggestion.
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I'm not complaining. I am looking at ways to get more people into the game.
I really wish you guys would stop putting emotions and words in my mouth that I never said or had.
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I always wondered which was a better way to go, flat fee or subscription?
Say 5 million to design, coad and start a game (have no idea of numbers it would really cost but....)
Selling per unit at $50 each you would need to sell 100,000 to break even
Selling subscription at $15 a month would be like 5000 players paying for a bit over 5 and a half years to cover it.
And say after 20 years would switching to a flat fee be enough to cover operating cost once everything is all up and running?
Tuff to make the numbers add up.
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I always wondered which was a better way to go, flat fee or subscription?
Say 5 million to design, coad and start a game (have no idea of numbers it would really cost but....)
Selling per unit at $50 each you would need to sell 100,000 to break even
Selling subscription at $15 a month would be like 5000 players paying for a bit over 5 and a half years to cover it.
And say after 20 years would switching to a flat fee be enough to cover operating cost once everything is all up and running?
Tuff to make the numbers add up.
That would depend...... are HOs involved? :neener:
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we would have more players if the sheep came back.
semp
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Like HBO occasionally has free weekends where you can watch even if you are not a subscriber. Repeatedly at least once a year it seems like. That might be an alternative approach. You could control that more. Choose time when people will be home live Memorial day weekend or Thanksgiving or Xmas week. Have a free week that anyone can play even if they had already had a trial before. That has the marketing advantage of a limited time offer that might get it spread around. Also, this approach wouldn't be something you would have to commit to long term. You can choose when to have a free AH week when and if you want or never again. The key would be to advertise it well in advance so word can spread before the event.
$0.02.
This strategy works on me often. I played alot of Final Fantasy XI and XIV in the day and I'll see Facebook ads every year that offer a free week for old players to logon again and play for 96 hours or something to that effect. It gets me everytime, I'm curious to see my character again, get hooked and sub for a month before I wash out again and come back to Aces High. It might be hard to target old players on Facebook, i'm not sure what targeting mechanisms are available these days, but I think there are thousands of old players out there that moved on to other games but would come back for nostalgia for atleast a month if they were reminded that the game exists for a free weekend/week.
I think the biggest thing that needs to happen is a rebrand/rename to get back on steam with fresh reviews. If the game wasnt branded as free to play with a bait and switch, most of those negative reviews wouldnt be posted and the game would see much higher traffic of new players trying it out. It was also a disaster for VR players to get through the UI. Fix the problems identified in the negative comments and a re-release on Steam could make a whole lot of sense.
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For me it is a lack of players at any given time, not the $15. This started back when the arena splits occurred (who in their right mind wanted to wait to play with squadies) and slowly went downhill. It is sad, because this game always had so much potential and things to do. Will this game ever get back to what it was? It makes me sad, I don't think it will, I seriously hope for the best though.
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For me it is a lack of players at any given time, not the $15. This started back when the arena splits occurred (who in their right mind wanted to wait to play with squadies) and slowly went downhill. It is sad, because this game always had so much potential and things to do. Will this game ever get back to what it was? It makes me sad, I don't think it will, I seriously hope for the best though.
What exactly are you looking for?
I was looking for fairly even sides. It was that way most of the time.... far less the past month or so.
There are still fights.