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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hitech on November 18, 2020, 09:59:48 AM
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Happened to see this today.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Tom_Lea_-_2000_Yard_Stare.jpg)
HiTech
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reality
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Full time stress. We humans can only take so much.
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Though I've seen this it always makes an impression.
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PTSD before it was called that
Seems we have more death and injury from it then the actual " wars" these days
One day man will realize how to stupid the majority of them were waged and the needless suffering they created for absolutely nothing...see Iraq and Afghanistan.
Eagler
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I have seen this before as well, it was called combat fatigue
:salute
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One day man will realize how to stupid the majority of them were waged and the needless suffering they created for absolutely nothing...see Iraq and Afghanistan.
Eagler
They were not for nothing, howbeit the subsequent administrations didn't follow through.
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Been in those countries way too long for no reason at all
All about that terrorism boogieman from 2001
We have a new boogieman which does not require bombs on airplanes and affects all religious beliefs..
Eagler
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The political rabbit hole is just around the corner :banana:
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The political rabbit hole is just around the corner :banana:
INteresting
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Peleliu, a nasty place that could've been bypassed. This was an image that was burned into my mind as a kid. There is another that was in the same publication by Life I saw it in, (if my memory serves me), of a Marine with a shredded arm and face stumbling onto a beach that really made me think a lot as a child.
ULDieter
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Been in those countries way too long for no reason at all
All about that terrorism boogieman from 2001
We have a new boogieman which does not require bombs on airplanes and affects all religious beliefs..
Eagler
Sorry, but my own personal experiences demand that I take exception to your ignorance.
The Bogeyman ( / ˈboʊɡimæn, ˈbʊɡi -/; also spelled boogeyman, bogyman, bogieman, boogie monster or boogie man ) is a mythical creature used by adults to frighten children into good behaviour.
I served in three different war zones as a Special Forces Combat medic I served in Viet Nam I've seen that stare as a result of War, not something mythical. I served again on September 11, 2001, I saw it again in the faces of co-workers after escaping death in the World Trade Center, as we stood on Folton Street watching people jump to there deaths to escape the fires. We were attacked, an act of war. Today we are challenged by a Pandemic, I see my young friends one an EMT another an ICU nurse after long shifts watching people die, I see that same stare, make no mistake it's a war zone, nothing mythical about it. I volunteer at the local hospital, I'm still a NJ EMT. Sorry but your ignorance just pissed me off, maybe cause I was diagnosed with PTSD over 20 years ago.
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Thank you for your service <S>
But you missed the point
Eagler
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Lucky everyone I know who has or had covid, it as if they have nothing or at most like a cold. Some, in some areas, it makes very ill. Many have died of other things, they just had covid too.
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Lucky everyone I know who has or had covid, it as if they have nothing or at most like a cold. Some, in some areas, it makes very ill. Many have died of other things, they just had covid too.
I know many who have had it, and some neighbors have it at the moment.
Many of them had much more than cold symptoms & some have unfortunately passed away.
I don’t think your post is downplaying it but it comes across that way when I first read it. I’ve reread it a few times now...
Bottom line is if ppl don’t want to take it serious enough for themselves, they could be decent human beings and do what they can to not spread it...
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Happened to see this today.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Tom_Lea_-_2000_Yard_Stare.jpg)
HiTech
When I look at this painting. it shows how men in war become emotionless killing machines no different than the tank making its own emotionless stare.
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When I look at this painting. it shows how men in war become emotionless killing machines no different than the tank making its own emotionless stare.
You don't get it.
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You don't get it.
LOL okay...
I don't get Marina Abramovichs "art" either, but that doesn't mean I can't make my own perception of it.
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LOL okay...
I don't get Marina Abramovichs "art" either, but that doesn't mean I can't make my own perception of it.
It's not artistic perception. Go to VA clinic and talk to some combat vets for perspective.
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It's not artistic perception. Go to VA clinic and talk to some combat vets for perspective.
..or ask myself any question you want.
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It's not artistic perception. Go to VA clinic and talk to some combat vets for perspective.
All the men in my family (besides me) fought in wars and/or were in the military for America. You dont have to demean me.
Was this painting created from a picture?
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"He left the States 31 months ago. He was wounded in his first campaign. He has had tropical diseases. He half-sleeps at night and gouges Japs out of holes all day. Two-thirds of his company has been killed or wounded. He will return to attack this morning. How much can a human being endure?" - Tom Lea
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Was this painting created from a picture?
Tom Lea based his painting on a real Marine that fought in the battle of Peleliu.
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Tom Lea based his painting on a real Marine that fought in the battle of Peleliu.
Okay, but it's still based on his perception, ei, he did not create the painting on a picture that was taken. He used his imagination of the Marines experiences to create the painting. I did not have his context of the painting when I made my perception of what the painting appeared like to me.
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Okay, but it's still based on his perception, ei, he did not create the painting on a picture that was taken. He used his imagination of the Marines experiences to create the painting. I did not have his context of the painting when I made my perception of what the painting appeared like to me.
He was there. He was an artist and correspondent. He created the painting from real life.
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He was there. He was an artist and correspondent. He created the painting from real life.
I'm not trying to take anything away from that. I just gave my opinion on what the picture says to me. Again, never had any context. Every artist has their own interpretation of their "art". That doesn't mean the outside perception without context will be the same.
I do happen to think its an amazing peice of work
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I know many who have had it, and some neighbors have it at the moment.
Many of them had much more than cold symptoms & some have unfortunately passed away.
I don’t think your post is downplaying it but it comes across that way when I first read it. I’ve reread it a few times now...
Bottom line is if ppl don’t want to take it serious enough for themselves, they could be decent human beings and do what they can to not spread it...
Our company has stayed running the whole time. We are considered essential. My wife work at Budweiser, it is essential too. It is a shame they destroy the economy over this instead of folks who are susceptible just staying home
Worse yet is the fact we have no idea how many actually died of covid. We never will. We do know they list deaths as covid even when it is not.
Your best bet is to stay home and not depend on other people to protect you.
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Uhh what does Budweiser do that is essential?
If they’re involved in something other than producing alcohol...then maybe
Sorry but alcohol is not essential and one of the most abused drugs on the planet and ruined 100’s of millions of human lives through mankind
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Sorry but alcohol is not essential and one of the most abused drugs on the planet and ruined 100’s of millions of human lives through mankind
"Corporal?"
"Sir!"
"Send this one back for reprogramming, please."
- oldman
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All business is essential or they wouldn't be in business to begin with.
It reminds of a Twilight Zone episode I saw the other day, where the state deemed people obsolete and would put them to death if they didn't have careers that were needed. It was a good one.
Dont worry, Its all in order to "build back better".
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and “......not depend on other people to protect you.”
....and not tell them they are heroes for protecting you.
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....and not tell them they are heroes for protecting you.
We are talking about folks going out in public. Not war, or police.... at least that is what I am talking about.
People want everyone else to do what they want... they are free to stay home or go to work. Their choice.
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All business is essential or they wouldn't be in business to begin with.
It reminds of a Twilight Zone episode I saw the other day, where the state deemed people obsolete and would put them to death if they didn't have careers that were needed. It was a good one.
Dont worry, Its all in order to "build back better".
Bubbling and seething beneath the surface, eh? Best to stick to the original topic. :old:
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We are talking about folks going out in public. Not war, or police.... at least that is what I am talking about.
People want everyone else to do what they want... they are free to stay home or go to work. Their choice.
Because it only affects the people that believe in infection and not those that don't? I dunno, man. That kinda 'magical' thinking hasn't helped to flatten the curve so far and blaming the scientists, the doctors, the dead and the dying for restricting civil liberty seems a bit extreme. Plagues are recorded and studied in history. :old:
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Because it only affects the people that believe in infection and not those that don't? I dunno, man. That kinda 'magical' thinking hasn't helped to flatten the curve so far and blaming the scientists, the doctors, the dead and the dying for restricting civil liberty seems a bit extreme. Plagues are recorded and studied in history. :old:
In a free society we have a choice....
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In a free society we have a choice....
In a free society you only have so much choice. Speed limits, seatbelt laws, hunting licenses, not being allowed to kill your neighbor through neglectful act or malice, you know, all those inconveniences kinda get in the way of some people's 'choices.'
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In a free society you only have so much choice. Speed limits, seatbelt laws, hunting licenses, not being allowed to kill your neighbor through neglectful act or malice, you know, all those inconveniences kinda get in the way of some people's 'choices.'
None of those are being overstepped. If you are sick, act like you are sick and do not put yourself in a.position of catching covid. Same if you are scared.
If you do not like peanuts or are allergic to them, you can't stop everyone else from enjoying them.
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None of those are being overstepped. If you are sick, act like you are sick and do not put yourself in a.position of catching covid. Same if you are scared.
If you do not like peanuts or are allergic to them, you can't stop everyone else from enjoying them.
Do not put myself in a position? My oldest step son lives in this small apartment with me and my wife and he works at a grocery store - essential worker. The locals don't take the pandemic any more seriously than you and go to the grocery store without masks or with masks hanging below their noses or strapped to their chins. As a result, this community has seen an explosion in infection rate and death rate with the hospitals exceeding capacity (and this city has four large hospitals and is the hub for the surrounding communities). My wife goes out more than I do to do essential chores around those same type of people. My being infected with Covid19 in a 'society' that takes no precautions for the sake of others in inevitable. As it is for others more compromised than me who live in homes for the elderly or who are presently having to take immunotherapy or chemotherapy.
It won't be me that puts myself in that position. It won't be the frail grandmother that puts herself in that position. It'll be people much like you who have a problem correlating privilege with responsibility.
Anyway, this exchange really is a waste of time. As Forrest Gump would say, 'That's all I have to say about that.' Take care and stay well, my friend. :aok
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Bubbling and seething beneath the surface, eh? Best to stick to the original topic. :old:
Some of us are aware that we are being treated like prisoners in our own country who are being psychologically tortured in order to submit to an agenda.
That picture will be America in a few years. We will not submit.
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Some of us are aware that we are being treated like prisoners in our own country who are being psychologically tortured in order to submit to an agenda.
That picture will be America in a few years. We will not submit.
keep it up and soon you will get the thousand yard stare.
semp
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Happened to see this today.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Tom_Lea_-_2000_Yard_Stare.jpg)
HiTech
Thank you for sharing, HiTech :salute
P.S Happy Thanksgiving HiTech and everyone else in the U.S.
Be safe!
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Uhh what does Budweiser do that is essential?
If they’re involved in something other than producing alcohol...then maybe
Sorry but alcohol is not essential and one of the most abused drugs on the planet and ruined 100’s of millions of human lives through mankind
Blasphemy!!!
:salute
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https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/alcohol-related-deaths-increasing-united-states
Just a “few” statistics to think about...
Lost two friends in the past year to drinking themselves to death. I see a 3rd trying really hard as I write this.
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Do not put myself in a position? My oldest step son lives in this small apartment with me and my wife and he works at a grocery store - essential worker. The locals don't take the pandemic any more seriously than you and go to the grocery store without masks or with masks hanging below their noses or strapped to their chins. As a result, this community has seen an explosion in infection rate and death rate with the hospitals exceeding capacity (and this city has four large hospitals and is the hub for the surrounding communities). My wife goes out more than I do to do essential chores around those same type of people. My being infected with Covid19 in a 'society' that takes no precautions for the sake of others in inevitable. As it is for others more compromised than me who live in homes for the elderly or who are presently having to take immunotherapy or chemotherapy.
It won't be me that puts myself in that position. It won't be the frail grandmother that puts herself in that position. It'll be people much like you who have a problem correlating privilege with responsibility.
Anyway, this exchange really is a waste of time. As Forrest Gump would say, 'That's all I have to say about that.' Take care and stay well, my friend. :aok
Are you sure it was not the hundreds or thousands that were burning cars and businesses?
I take care of my In-Laws....... I do not expect others to. Still your choice to go out in public or not.
OH and I wear a bandana IF I go in any place that requires a face covering...... that even though face coverings have been shown to not work.
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Are you sure it was not the hundreds or thousands that were burning cars and businesses?
I take care of my In-Laws....... I do not expect others to. Still your choice to go out in public or not.
OH and I wear a bandana IF I go in any place that requires a face covering...... that even though face coverings have been shown to not work.
Exactly.
And doctors and nurses in China were getting sick in full PPE from head to toe, nurses and doctors in America screaming they dont have enough PPE. Yet somehow a lil ole mask is going to save all of us 'regular' folk.
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Exactly.
And doctors and nurses in China were getting sick in full PPE from head to toe, nurses and doctors in America screaming they dont have enough PPE. Yet somehow a lil ole mask is going to save all of us 'regular' folk.
I don't see you as all that 'regular.'
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I don't see you as all that 'regular.'
'Regular' has a wide scope these days :D
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Just a little bit of sanity for just a moment. Viral contamination is pretty simple stuff if you break down what you are really talking about, and what exposure you are talking about.
IF you are working in close contact in confined areas with an airborne contagion, you better be in a positive pressure suit with full body coverage, filtration, etc.
IF you are worried about something that is being passed through water droplets, (hmm sounds like airborne), then you have several options to LESSEN the impact.
IF everyone wears masks over their nose and mouth, and maintains distances of 6 feet or greater, the water vapor will likely (LIKELY) land on the ground before it gets to someone else in a well ventilated area. This is in no way going to stop anything 100 percent, but will simply lower the exposure rates significantly.
SO, why have some Asian countries had great successes with masks? Because they have minimized exposure, not eliminated it. This is because the cloth/cotton/etc., masks stop a good portion of the water vapor from individuals.
So are cloth masks effective at stopping the virus in a medical environment? They are not ideally suited. You would want goggles and better filtration than a simple cloth mask, as well as gloves, sterilization, full body coverage etc. I seriously doubt the medical community is ready for, or equipped to work in a viral hot zone. They simply lack the experience and training, as well as the equipment to be able to do it effectively in a non laboratory environment. This puts this community in a serious risk just to work.
If you look for data that is not hype and has something that resembles actual science behind it, this is a very interesting virus. It has long term effects that we are not fully aware of yet, and it is not just an old people killer. True, it gets progressively more nasty as you get above 55 years of age, but it is still something to take serious for younger people.
BOTTOM LINE, if you wear a mask, you will lower exposure rates at worst, or not be exposed at best. If you get exposed you want the least viral load to be exposed to as it will lessen the impact of your illness.
MAKE A CHOICE
ULDieter
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Well make a choice...unless one gets made for you.
https://covid19.colorado.gov
Was surprised to see thise
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[snip]BOTTOM LINE, if you wear a mask, you will lower exposure rates at worst, or not be exposed at best. If you get exposed you want the least viral load to be exposed to as it will lessen the impact of your illness. [/snip]
As long as people think so... too bad in practice it doesn't work that way.
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[snip]BOTTOM LINE, if you wear a mask, you will lower exposure rates at worst, or not be exposed at best. If you get exposed you want the least viral load to be exposed to as it will lessen the impact of your illness. [/snip]
As long as people think so... too bad in practice it doesn't work that way.
for decades they've told us if you sneeze cover your mouth, either hand, arm, handkerchief or turn around. I am pretty sure you have felt the crap coming out of somebody's nose many times, either kids or crap happens.
semp
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Mask theory fails when you consider the virus is small enough to slip through it
Many think the mask is a controlling issue...and in many cases they are correct IMO
If you think wearing a mask is best for you then wear one
They should not be mandated
If you dont like the fact someone else is not wearing one stay away from them
Businesses should have the right to do whatever they feel is best for their business to survive
We have the freedom to partake in it or not..from airlines to gyms and strip clubs...all the rules should be the same
If enough ppl are scared and need to see everyone in masks and their biz does not require it then their biz will suffer and they'd adjust their policy..
I think the issue now is more of us are not as scared as they would like/need us to be..
Eagler
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for decades they've told us if you sneeze cover your mouth, either hand, arm, handkerchief or turn around. I am pretty sure you have felt the crap coming out of somebody's nose many times, either kids or crap happens.
semp
Unless you are air tight, you are not stopping that.
Lots of folks wearing mask seem to be getting sick. I see them messing with their mask all the time and touching their face.....
I believe what you are seeing is how unsanitary many folks are. Shocking how many folks rarely wash they hands. Of course that is not the only thing but it is very important.
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You are also seeing just how out of shape the average American is
I believe this fact is affecting how many ppl get it and how it actually affects them
There is a reason we are called "fat Americans" by the rest of the world
Eagler
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How do y’all figure that not wearing a filter (mask) is no better or worse than not wearing one :headscratch:
If you were having surgery would you tell the surgery team don’t wear masks, “they don’t work?”
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In surgery they are not trying to stop a particle that is smaller than the holes in the mask from escaping their mouths.
Masks do nothing for your eyes.
Many ppl dont know how to wear one properly and are always touching their face to pull it up or adjust it thereby actually touching their face with germy hands more than if you did not wear a mask.
Gotta laugh when some don't seem to know enough to realize their nose needs to be covered too.
I wear a mask where I am instructed to as I do what I am told..I also don't resist arrest or back talk the police.
I don't think it does much in my case as I am not sick and have never made it a habit to stand in someone elses shadow
The heathly need to work. People and businesses need to have the right to make a living.
If you are scared, old, fat or any combo wear your mask and stay out of the way so the rest of us can keep the country going.
Eagler