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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Vinkman on April 12, 2021, 11:18:27 AM
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The speed in the MA of the YAK3 seems higher than it should be. Too often at equal speeds, when chasing a YAK3 in a 109K-4 on WEP I will start to close only to find the YAK3 starts to pull away. The chart below shows that according to the Aces High Plane performance page there is no altitude where the YAK3 is faster than K4. In fact the closest speed is on the deck where the K4 is 15mph faster and by 5K that difference is 30mph, increasing to 40 mph by 10k. I've chased YAKS for a whole sector on the deck and am never able to close on them. This is also inconsistent with all the accounts from Galland, and Rall's memoirs who recount that the only Russian plane they could not overtake was the late war Lavochkins.
Doing the math: With a lead of 1500 yrds it should only take 3.4min to run down a YAK3 at full speed, which is 19 miles, or less that 1 sector.
Does this indicate the speed of the Yak in the MA is faster than it should be? :headscratch:
https://www.hitechcreations.com/component/ahplaneperf/?Itemid=139 (https://www.hitechcreations.com/component/ahplaneperf/?Itemid=139)
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You may have misread chart, it appears to show Yak faster below about 7000 ft unless you have a lot of wep left in your 109K.
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Does this indicate the speed of the Yak in the MA is faster than it should be? :headscratch:
Hi Vinkman
No it doesn't mean that, there are other factors that may be influencing what you see in the MA.
Before I explain what those factors are though, I'd just like to say that I believe those charts are generated from the AH flight model so the charts should always agree exactly with what you see in the game. However, the speeds can easily be checked with simple flight tests. The K4 sea level top speeds are 368mph and 338mph for WEP and MIL respectively, the top top speed of the Yak3 at sea level is 351mph. I've confirmed it myself. If you want me to explain how to carry out the flight test so you can verify those figures yourself let me know.
Ok, so why are you seeing something different in the MA? As I mentioned, there are other factors that have a big influence on what speeds you will see in the MA, and it comes down to the aircraft's performance relating to energy. Where the Yak3 stands out in the MA is in its ability to accelerate quickly and both retain and regain energy due to specific excess power and specific excess thrust. The Yak3 isn't really faster, but it just seems to be because those factors have a big indirect impact on what speeds can be achieved and retained and for how long.
What does that mean? Well we have all seen it for ourselves, so I'll explain with a scenario that everyone will recognize.
The Yak3 gets itself into trouble at altitude and dives away for separation. Because it accelerates quickly it can reach its top speed before you can reach yours and it gets enough separation to stay safe and continue to extend. However, the Yak3 doesn't just reach its top speed, it exceeds it and has to trade less energy for that speed than you will. Here is the catch, because it accelerates quickly and bleeds its energy slowly it gains a larger speed margin above top speed than you do and pays for it with less energy/altitude than you did. Of course no aircraft can stay above top speed indefinitely so when that speed begins to decay back towards top speed it does so more slowly than you. That means it stays above its top speed longer. Also if maneuvering is required while extending, the Yak3 dissipates less energy doing so. That's a powerful factor in a tail chase.
Then the Yak3 can climb again and regain energy and it will also regain that energy more quickly than you can, on top of having having already lost less than you did when you followed him through the same evolution. If necessary the Yak3 can reverse and have sufficient energy to reengage, get himself into trouble again and rinse and repeat the process. Brief fights followed by protracted extensions is what gets the Yak3 their bad name. It's why we all hate it so much :)
The Yak3 is able to turn hard holding energy well and then break off and accelerate quickly enough to get out of trouble. It is not that its faster, but it gets to its top speed faster, exceeds it by more than you can, then holds onto it longer than you can, and eventually regains more of it more quickly than you can.
It isn't really about speed, but it certainly seems like it.
It seems as though the Yak3 is faster, but its not... As I said before, everything feels like its all about speed but its really about energy and the way the Yak3 retains energy and regains energy. It can trade energy for speed, hold onto it longer and trade back again more quickly than you and with fewer losses, it has high energy agility.
It makes the Yak3 only seem to be faster and it makes the Yak3 pilot only seem to be good.
Hope that help.
Badboy
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You may have misread chart, it appears to show Yak faster below about 7000 ft unless you have a lot of wep left in your 109K.
I didn’t misread it. I used the wep numbers.
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No it doesn't mean that, there are other factors that may be influencing what you see in the MA.
Badboy
I understand the factors. :salute
The K4 in game has a combat weight of 7500lbs and a HP of 1824 (1850PS) = Power/Weight ratio of .243
The Yak3 in game has a combat weight of 5900 lbs and a HP or 1290. = Power/Weight ratio of .218
So there is no reason for a Yak3 to out accelerate a K4. In fact the opposite should be true. The K4 has a P/W ration 11% higher than the yak3. These numbers also indicate the Yak must be a lower drag plane at top speed. But That difference can't over come the K4's power advantage (40%). The K4 would out accelerate and be faster than the Yak3 at every altitude, with higher alts being a bigger advantage for the 109 because it's engine retains more of it's max HP rating. Eliminating the scenarios where E states are different because that's obvious, and focusing on situations when the two planes are on or near the deck at equal speeds, a Yak3 shouldn't be able to walk away from the K4 or run one down.
We should do some tests with two planes at the same time. :salute
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I have a film of a yak3 on the deck doing a steady 375mph for 15miles......with half of one wing blown off.
To be clear, this is faster than the top speed of an undamaged yak3's top speed at sea level.
Again, this was a sustained level speed, not a decaying speed attained from a dive.
To those out there who aren't already aware, large asymmetrical damage to an aircraft dramatically increases both the form drag and induced drag. Losing parts does not reduce drag.
I'll see if i can find that film and post it.
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I have a film of a yak3 on the deck doing a steady 375mph for 15miles......with half of one wing blown off.
To be clear, this is faster than the top speed of an undamaged yak3's top speed at sea level.
Again, this was a sustained level speed, not a decaying speed attained from a dive.
To those out there who aren't already aware, large asymmetrical damage to an aircraft dramatically increases both the form drag and induced drag. Losing parts does not reduce drag.
I'll see if i can find that film and post it.
You mention asymmetric and induced drag. I also feel these may be overly low for YAK3 which “seems” to retain much more of its speed while maneuvering than it’s power to weight would imply. That’s a much harder thing to measure. But you think overtaking one in a straight line is tough, it’s nearly impossible one they start jinking and making slight changes in direction.
Trog. if you have time maybe we can go to one of the arenas and make some films with both planes during a set of maneuvers that would test the theory to help Dale out.
hit me up on 200 or send me an email and we can pick a date and time.
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The K4 in game has a combat weight of 7500lbs and a HP of 1824 (1850PS) = Power/Weight ratio of .243
The Yak3 in game has a combat weight of 5900 lbs and a HP or 1290. = Power/Weight ratio of .218
If only it were that simple. However, acceleration is not a function of the power to weight ratio. Remember Newton's law, it is a function of excess thrust to weight. The catch is that while the power and weight of an aircraft stay pretty much constant during a level acceleration, the thrust varies with airspeed. Also, to get excess thrust (acceleration depends on net thrust) you need to take drag into account and that will also vary with the speed and weight. Because total drag is involved, acceleration not only changes as the speed changes it depends on the G loading, so pushing over for speed and pulling out and/or making heading adjustments can result in wide variations in load factor and lift dependent drag. So there isn't a constant excess thrust to weight ratio number you can easily use for comparison.
So there is no reason for a Yak3 to out accelerate a K4. In fact the opposite should be true. The K4 has a P/W ration 11% higher than the yak3.
I can think of four reasons.
But before I list them, I just want to say that the K4 does out accelerate the Yak3 in a side by side drag test... but not always. Give the Yak3 25% fuel and the K4 100% and the situation is reversed. In the MA it is normal for one or more of the following factors to be in play to some extent.
1) Loadout: In a level 150mph to 200mph drag test the Yak3 can out accelerate the K4 just by changing the fuel loads.
2) Initial altitude: One aircraft starting higher or lower than the other. God's G can be a big acceleration bonus.
3) Initial airspeed: One aircraft starting faster or slower than the other.
4) Differences in position or heading, one aircraft needs to maneuver, execute a turn, or dive for example.
Expanding on the fourth point, if you are chasing a Yak3 and are forced to follow its maneuvers it costs it less energy due to it's lower lift related drag and that translates straight back to more speed. That's how they wear you down. You notice how the Yak3 pilots can break off extend and come back to reengage and still have enough energy to do it all again until they bleed your energy away bit by bit.
Obviously, I have no idea if any of those reasons were a factor in your example, but my experience is that when something surprises me in the MA it is almost always a factor I was unaware of at the time. Some pilots are good at hiding their initial energy state, and we can only guess about the fuel loading etc. It's very rare for any fight in the MA to begin Co-E and I think that may be the main cause of most of the things that surprise us :)
Eliminating the scenarios where E states are different because that's obvious, and focusing on situations when the two planes are on or near the deck at equal speeds, a Yak3 shouldn't be able to walk away from the K4 or run one down.
I agree, the top speed of the K4 should eventually prevail, but when conditions favor the Yak3 perhaps it just takes a lot longer than expected :)
We should do some tests with two planes at the same time.
That's a good idea. I'm up for it anytime you see me online. :salute
Regards
Badboy
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Hi Trogdor
To those out there who aren't already aware, large asymmetrical damage to an aircraft dramatically increases both the form drag and induced drag. Losing parts does not reduce drag.
Agreed, that's how it works in real life but I think I recall a previous discussion on these boards where the consensus reached was that when you lose a part of your aircraft in AH you lose the weight, lift, drag etc associated with that part, but no new drag is added to account for changes caused by that damage. Obviously you may need to use other surfaces more to stay in the air, but it does appear to be that when you lose part of your aircraft, depending on the aircraft, the part and what you need to do to stay in the air, it may be possible to experience a small net reduction in drag. I think I've survived a tail chase or two that way myself.
Kind regards
Badboy
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If only it were that simple. However, acceleration is not a function of the power to weight ratio.
...the thrust varies with airspeed.
Equally for both air craft at equal speeds. so that is a non factor.
...you need to take drag into account and that will also vary with the ... weight.
Yes that's why I mentioned it. But total drag as a percent is less than the HP offset.
... if you are chasing a Yak3 and are forced to follow its maneuvers it costs it less energy due to it's lower lift related drag..
Need to understand how the induced drag varies with weight. That might make it a weight squared problem. Never studied Aero.
I agree, the top speed of the K4 should eventually prevail, but when conditions favor the Yak3 perhaps it just takes a lot longer than expected :)
That's a good idea. I'm up for it anytime you see me online. :salute
Regards
Badboy
Ok I'll keep an eye out. :salute
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That must have been from direct hit from a battleship main gun.
Yak3 wings are more sturdy than the front armor of a Tiger II
I have a film of a yak3 on the deck doing a steady 375mph for 15miles......with half of one wing blown off.
To be clear, this is faster than the top speed of an undamaged yak3's top speed at sea level.
Again, this was a sustained level speed, not a decaying speed attained from a dive.
To those out there who aren't already aware, large asymmetrical damage to an aircraft dramatically increases both the form drag and induced drag. Losing parts does not reduce drag.
I'll see if i can find that film and post it.
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Equally for both air craft at equal speeds. so that is a non factor.
It varies in a similar way, but is far from equal for both aircraft. I think the Me109s used the Hamilton Standard prop design, not sure about the Yak3, I'd have to check, but even if they are the same prop design, how well it absorbs the engines power and converts it into thrust at any specific airspeed will be quite different and varies with its diameter, the number of blades, the activity factor, the rpm and pitch control etc. The fact that the K4 is different in that respect can be seen by the way it can pull its nose up and hangs on its prop at very low airspeed. It does it so much better than so many other aircraft it is almost unbeatable in a rolling scissors, even against aircraft that would beat it easily in a turn. That excess thrust at low speed is the K4s super power, it is clearly not equal to other aircraft at equal speeds :)
Need to understand how the induced drag varies with weight.
A heavier aircraft requires more lift. More lift causes more lift induced drag. That's a relatively small factor in a 1G tail chase, but still significant even with the K4s powerful engine because with 100% fuel it can still be out accelerated from 150mph to 250mph by a lighter Yak3 with a much less powerful engine. It is (T-D)/W not P/W that matters. It is even more of a factor if maneuvers occur during a chase because as the load factor increases the lighter aircraft will bleed energy and speed less quickly than a heavier one even if they are otherwise identical, say two 109K4s one with 100% fuel and one with 25%. The light K4 will not only turn better it will accelerate better and may be able to extend from or catch the heavier one. In air combat any additional weight is a curse.
Ok I'll keep an eye out.
Yep, if I see you on, I'll give you a shout. I'm looking forward to it :salute
Kind regards
Badboy
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It varies in a similar way, but is far from equal for both aircraft. I think the Me109s used the Hamilton Standard prop design, not sure about the Yak3, I'd have to check, but even if they are the same prop design, how well it absorbs the engines power and converts it into thrust at any specific airspeed will be quite different and varies with its diameter, the number of blades, the activity factor, the rpm and pitch control etc.
Badboy
I know how it could be different. But I'm guess that the Germans didn't make inferior props, and mis-match them to engines and airframes. So I don't expect the 109 prop to have significantly lower prop efficiency than a Yak. In game with auto prop control both planes walk the max efficiency line so I don't expect it would be a big factor in the performance differences between the planes.
I know that weight affects the induced drag. What I don't have is a mathematical understanding, precisely. If a plane weighs 27% more, what percent higher is it's induced drag? Then, what percent of the 40% Thrust advantage is consumed to overcome the increased drag. Because that thrust difference still needs to accelerate a 27% heavier plane.
I'll do some reading. :salute
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With regard to Total drag whether Induced or Parasitic, Wing Planform design is important and explains a couple of the issues being discussed - more specifically Straight Wing vs the Elliptical Wing planform. One is way more efficient than the other.
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Gents,
I LOVE the Yak-3. It should be perked though.
Yep you can compare this against that ad nauseam. BF-109's at one part of the war were directed NOT to engage it.
I'll engage it. I'll fly it. It should be perked.
Thank you,
X15 :salute
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I know how it could be different. But I'm guess that the Germans didn't make inferior props, and mis-match them to engines and airframes. So I don't expect the 109 prop to have significantly lower prop efficiency than a Yak. In game with auto prop control both planes walk the max efficiency line so I don't expect it would be a big factor in the performance differences between the planes.
Of course propellers were being well designed, but aircraft had different propeller efficiency at different speeds for that reason. The importance of speed in air combat was well known so aircraft designers tried to ensure that the maximum efficiency occurred close to the top speed for that aircraft. The two curves below are an example for two aircraft with different top speeds and the curves take into account the prop diameter, number of blades, the activity factor, the rpm, the reduction gear ratio, and corrections for drag, tip speed, tip mach and compressibility. You can see from this the impact that different configurations might have.
(https://i.imgur.com/yWHLcq7.jpg)
I'll do some reading. :salute
Good luck with that. If you have any questions just drop me a PM
Kind regards
Badboy
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Gents,
I LOVE the Yak-3. It should be perked though.
The Yak-3 has a tiny/ammo gun package, and very limited fuel. IMHO most people struggle with Yaks in general due to their small size. I fly the 9U and 9T and have always had similar comments the -3 guys get (more armour than a tiger etc).
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The Yak-3 has a tiny/ammo gun package, and very limited fuel. IMHO most people struggle with Yaks in general due to their small size. I fly the 9U and 9T and have always had similar comments the -3 guys get (more armour than a tiger etc).
Those are some very good points.
What is also true is:
- Yaks have fantastic visibility.
- Yak-3's nose over view is really good. Arguably the best in the game. Little or no obstructions visually.
- Because Yaks are smaller they can be tough to target vs. P-47s, P-38s etc.
- Yak-3\9u have good acceleration rate.
- Yak-3 has a great climb rate.
- Yak-3\9u have enough speed to run home in most cases.
- Feedback from multiple BBS posts indicate Yaks are very tough [to damage].
- Yak-3\9u have a good turn radius (not like a zero but better than most planes).
- Throttling Yaks back to 2400 rpms gives the Yaks an incredible increase in range.
My notes and comparisons of all plane attributes are here: http://oracledba.help/app/ww2planes/index.php?n=Site.PlaneStats
-X15
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My notes and comparisons of all plane attributes are here: http://oracledba.help/app/ww2planes/index.php?n=Site.PlaneStats
-X15
Good morning Slade/ -X15 , have you ever used or heard of Badboy's "AH bootstrap" tool or Spatula's "AH aircraft performance comparison" tool
For testing all the different AH aircraft performance regarding speed, climb rate, turn rate, etc...?
If you haven't, I highly recommend that you give both of them a try... they will help you with gathering the information you have been collecting for your website....
Hope this helps
<S>
TC
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"AH bootstrap" tool or Spatula's "AH aircraft performance comparison" to
I think I did some time ago but lost the links.
If you have them can you post please?
Thanks sir. :salute
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Avoid the stigma of flying a Yak3 by flying a yak9u.
It will catch a yak3 in a level chase at any altitude and is much better at high altitude.
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Misinterpreting energy states is usually the culprit that lets a Yak3 escape
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It's hard to see how the YAK3 manages to achieve all of this performance with no technology and without the usual trade offs.
Speed. The YAK3 is a low power airplane. 1290 HP is one of the lowest late war numbers. It's below the P-39. The Yak is not appreciably smaller than a Spitfire, or 109, or P-39 for that matter. It has no special wing features, like leading edge slats (109) to help it turn tightly, or razor thin leading edge wings to achieve low drag (Mustang). So how does it have a low drag speed wing, and high angle of attack turning wing at the same time? Where is the trade off?
Toughness. Yaks are tough...but light. Splits break wings off in high G turns, and fall apart when hit with bullets. The 109 also sacrifices toughness for lightness, and so does the Zero and other light planes that minimize weight to achieve performance. Does it have self sealing tanks? Armor plate? low gage skin and light weight wing spars? Why is this plane so light and what price in toughness is it paying for that lightness. Yak3 weight is close to the weight of a Zero, but they are tough like Jugs. Where's the trade-off?
Energy retention. The turny wing seems to bleed no energy in high G turns. Again How can it turn so tight with such a low drag wing?
So my point about the YAK3 is there seems to be no trade offs among the various performance aspects even though the plane is unremarkable from technology and engineering standpoint. No variable geometry wings, no water injection, no two stage supercharging, no kevlar or carbon fiber, no exotic wing design. Hard to see how this mystery plane achieves the performance numbers it does. :salute
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I think I did some time ago but lost the links.
If you have them can you post please?
Thanks sir. :salute
I'll try to dig them up....just got to figure out which computer or storage drive I have them on....heads up though... their are several planes that neither tool will have...iirc that only applies to Spatula's tool, but i'd have to check that myself to be sure.....
got some old squaddie's wanting me to try out DCS ( is like a 43 GB install, hah!) and IL2 along with a new Discord server one of them set up for all of us to use regardless of what game we are playing.......just need to figure out which hot handle iron skillet to grab next to finish, lol......
TC
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Good Evening Slade/ -X15,
I made a new thread in the Help & Training forum so I could attach Badboy's AH Bootstrap tool to it....
this Aircraft & Vehicles forum doesn't allow attachments
here is a link to the thread, you will find the attached zipped file at the bottom of my post
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,402888.0.html
Hope this helps
~S~
TC
PS- still looking through my archives for Spatula's Tool
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TequilaChaser thanks very much!
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- Feedback from multiple BBS posts indicate Yaks are very tough [to damage].
I get the same feedback on the 9U and 9T in game. What I observe is that it comes from people flying rides with wing mounted guns. I find that rides with nose mount guns (e.g. FW's, P38, some 109s) have no trouble hurting the Yak (especially nose cannons). When I do get hurt there tends to be concentrations of damage (e.g. engine, nose guns, PW).
Essentially some alt-monkey will dive on you from the dweebosphere in a 51 or 47, try and hose you and 1 or 2 50's might hit there mark. They then climb up to their perch and start whining about how uber the yak is.
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Essentially some alt-monkey will dive on you from the dweebosphere in a 51 or 47, try and hose you and 1 or 2 50's might hit there mark. They then climb up to their perch and start whining about how uber the yak is.
Well said made me chuckle. That seems to be the priory tactic of the Runstangs I see everyday. As to the yak. I have had tg3 opportunity to see a few of them in RL. My takeaway after seeing them was well they reminded me of a farm tractor. Very simple but rugged. Some parts were so crude they appeared to be cast. How this plane hit so fast surprises me, how it absorbs hits doesn’t. Small and sturdy target that can move more than the enemy can, good combination. One thing I have noticed in game, seems most yak drivers will RTB if they become solo. They seem to be better as a picker or part if a pack. Personally I rarely fly it but do so (as is for other planes) to learn what it can do. Good comments and observations by all you folks.
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I get the same feedback on the 9U and 9T in game. What I observe is that it comes from people flying rides with wing mounted guns. I find that rides with nose mount guns (e.g. FW's, P38, some 109s) have no trouble hurting the Yak (especially nose cannons). When I do get hurt there tends to be concentrations of damage (e.g. engine, nose guns, PW).
Essentially some alt-monkey will dive on you from the dweebosphere in a 51 or 47, try and hose you and 1 or 2 50's might hit there mark. They then climb up to their perch and start whining about how uber the yak is.
so If an alt monkey can kill other planes using the same tactic but not the yaks then the yak are tougher. :salute
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so If an alt monkey can kill other planes using the same tactic but not the yaks then the yak are tougher. :salute
That's not what I said, read it again.
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It looks like the Yak-3 is using 1050 mm boost, instead of 1100 mm. I think the performance would actually correspond to using 1100 mm boost. So, the drag may be low by 5% or so. Will it make a difference? No...
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Yak3, as used by most here, is what people use for quick response to up in the face of an enemy attack.....over and over until attackers have been thinned enough to break the cap.
Every plane in AH has a few distinctive characteristics that suit certain mission profiles better than the others.
Yak3 has it's role where it's great for people who want instant action and have limited time to play.
I still like the yak9 better.
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I just wanted to say that no P-38 was mentioned up until now.
Thank you... have a nice day!
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In aces high, planes can fly better without all their parts.
But the mathematics of this would be quite interesting. We need an aerospace engineer to weigh in on the subject.
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Ugh, this thread is bringing back my PTYD. Post Truamatic Yakovlev Disorder.
The Blue Thunder guys seriously damage my morale, it's just stupid how they'll literally have three guys in a row strafe me as I'm trying to take off. I've gotten used to making takeoff runs straight out of the hangar to give myself a chance. There's just no chance to take off when Blue Thunder has 3-5 Yak-3s screaming over the field. TheJudge is also a similar offender, but at least he flies the 190 Dora.
Yak3, as used by most here, is what people use for quick response to up in the face of an enemy attack.....over and over until attackers have been thinned enough to break the cap.
Every plane in AH has a few distinctive characteristics that suit certain mission profiles better than the others.
Yak3 has it's role where it's great for people who want instant action and have limited time to play.
I still like the yak9 better.
I like the Spit 16 for field defense better :lol
Up with a drop tank and 25% fuel, just in case they make me climb or chase, but once we get to furballing, a Spit16 on 25% fuel is a handful to fight! Turns like a Zero. Plus I love dragging people down to treetop level to get turning with a Spit16, always fun but kinda risky.
I'm just biased against Soviet hardware I think, plus PTYD.
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Ugh, this thread is bringing back my PTYD. Post Truamatic Yakovlev Disorder.
The Blue Thunder guys seriously damage my morale, it's just stupid how they'll literally have three guys in a row strafe me as I'm trying to take off. I've gotten used to making takeoff runs straight out of the hangar to give myself a chance. There's just no chance to take off when Blue Thunder has 3-5 Yak-3s screaming over the field. TheJudge is also a similar offender, but at least he flies the 190 Dora.
I like the Spit 16 for field defense better :lol
Up with a drop tank and 25% fuel, just in case they make me climb or chase, but once we get to furballing, a Spit16 on 25% fuel is a handful to fight! Turns like a Zero. Plus I love dragging people down to treetop level to get turning with a Spit16, always fun but kinda risky.
I'm just biased against Soviet hardware I think, plus PTYD.
Dont up from a base under attack especially if it is capped by Yaks. :D Second the spit 5 is much better at base defense that the 16. quicker and turns better, just a bit short on ammo.
Check out plane comparisons here (http://66.189.10.34:8080/gonzo/ahcharts/index.php).
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Dont up from a base under attack especially if it is capped by Yaks. :D Second the spit 5 is much better at base defense that the 16. quicker and turns better, just a bit short on ammo.
Check out plane comparisons here (http://66.189.10.34:8080/gonzo/ahcharts/index.php).
That short on ammo is the exact problem lol. I might be able to down one or two Yaks with 120 rounds of cannon but that's never enough.
I still prefer the 16 for roll rate. I've literally led Pony drivers on wild goose chases weaving through trees. Great way to trick them into bleeding E.
And I am a stubborn stump so I will up from the hangar to defend even if it's 5 to 1.
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And I am a stubborn stump so I will up from the hangar to defend even if it's 5 to 1.
Back practise and great for making the vulchers Aces... Take off from a field back, get some alt and smash them to bits :old: :joystick:
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Back practise and great for making the vulchers Aces... Take off from a field back, get some alt and smash them to bits :old: :joystick:
I actually did that yesterday lol. Upped a Spit 8 from a field across the bay and tore up a Jug and a Pony. I was so dadgum stubborn to defend the base, but they eventually got it anyway because we had like 1-2 guys in GVs and me in the air.
Took out a Goony trying to sneak in though!
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I actually did that yesterday lol. Upped a Spit 8 from a field across the bay and tore up a Jug and a Pony. I was so dadgum stubborn to defend the base, but they eventually got it anyway because we had like 1-2 guys in GVs and me in the air.
Took out a Goony trying to sneak in though!
Determination, the first thing to look for in recruiting AH pilots :rock
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Don't worry about the BT guys. Their modus operandi is ganging, picking, and vulching. Most of them won't fight one on one (or even 2 on 1). That's not all bad and uncommong, but when you get them in trouble they suddenly develop peril-sensitive-internet (warp like crazy). I see BTDiver has posted about how he cannot download the game, which explains a lot... I suspect he is using a 1970s 300bps modem to play on.
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The 49ers showed plenty of determination but game was adjusted to prevent that and they left.
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The 49ers showed plenty of determination but game was adjusted to prevent that and they left.
Yeah, because they were determined to play in way that pissed off everyone else.
They're not missed.
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Yeah, because they were determined to play in way that pissed off everyone else.
They're not missed.
I didn't mind them. Was fun running into their missions now and then.
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I didn't mind them. Was fun running into their missions now and then.
They ran fun missions, weren’t afraid to up hangar queens in force. I partook in one of their less egregious GV/ M3 strats bombardments. It was very cool, although I have to admit I did grow tired of the constant HQ dropping on certain maps. Still we need the likes of them back ingame.
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Quick question, can a Yak3 run on full power indefinitely like the AH model, and if not should it have "WEP" like the 109 series in AcesHigh?
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Yaks don't have WEP. iirc the Yak-3 engine had a lifespan of 20 hours or something ridiculous like that.
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Determination, the first thing to look for in recruiting AH pilots :rock
Best reply/ comment I've seen in a while....nice post, Dolby!
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