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Title: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Buba on January 31, 2022, 08:03:53 PM
I think you should look into making a scenario where B-25's take off from carrier and try to sneak on island. I can't remember a scenario like this in 20 + years. What does everyone else think? Might be cool to see if we can get a B-25 off of carrier. We know it can be done, lol
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: oboe on January 31, 2022, 08:46:41 PM
+1  :aok
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Buba on January 31, 2022, 10:49:36 PM
Thought it might be unique
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 01, 2022, 11:37:04 AM
I'm down for that! Would be cool if possible.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: guncrasher on February 01, 2022, 11:59:59 AM
it was tried years ago. most ended up in the water. was not a scenario but a player mission.


semp
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 01, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
Just tried it offline, B25C, 500#'s and 3/4 fuel, 1 notch of flaps. Brakes on, Full Throttle and WEP. Now that was a single not a formation.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Eagler on February 01, 2022, 12:32:35 PM
Dar settings would ruin any kind of sneak attack unless they are modified

Eagler
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: guncrasher on February 01, 2022, 09:34:05 PM
been thinking about this, would be could to have one but wont it be boring to fly 7 sectors and only have ack as the enemy? because if planes up, the raid would last just a minute or 2.


semp
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: AKKuya on February 02, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Set up a custom arena.
Go to Arena Setup
Fields
Select a CV group
Enable B-25

See if the game will let you take a Mitchell for a ride.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 02, 2022, 02:25:44 PM
Set up a custom arena.
Go to Arena Setup
Fields
Select a CV group
Enable B-25

See if the game will let you take a Mitchell for a ride.

IT will did it yesterday, see the above post
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: AKKuya on February 02, 2022, 02:57:39 PM
I believe once upon a time in the day during Wednesday Snapshots.  There might have been a Mitchell setup.  I don't know for sure.  This is only possible in SEA or custom arenas.

Main arena doesn't have that option.

Doing a Mitchell setup is very tricky.  We have a Japan terrain.  I'm working off memory at work and not in front of my gaming rig.  There might be a CV group to launch Mitchells.

Historical setup:
16 players with single B-25s launch and bomb ground targets.
No opposing force.

Special Event:
Teams challenge.

Players organize 16 player teams and hit ground targets for points.  Highest score wins.

How many players would want to do this?  What amount of energy needed to bring in 5 teams or more?


Historical Setup with what if:
16 players in single Mitchells
4 players in Axis fighters indictive of what was available

Teams challenge like above but with enemy contact.  Dedicated Axis team to challenge each team.

This might get more interest.


Non-historical setup with just Mitchells:
More than 16 players in single B-25s
More than 4 axis players.

One life or unlimited lives.  Possibilities.


No where close to history:
Allied has B-25s and Wildcats
Axis has fighters for defense
Axis has bombers for CV group



These are just the top of my head.  Being a CM, the hardest part is BALANCE.  Also, it helps to get a sense of what the players like and being interested.  We only have those who speak up on the forum and the silent majority either show up or not at all.

Those who want to see this happen.  You're welcome to get some interest.  Work out what you want.  I or one of the other CMs can reserve a night in SEA 2.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Volron on February 03, 2022, 12:58:15 PM
I believe once upon a time in the day during Wednesday Snapshots.  There might have been a Mitchell setup.  I don't know for sure.  This is only possible in SEA or custom arenas.

Main arena doesn't have that option.

Doing a Mitchell setup is very tricky.  We have a Japan terrain.  I'm working off memory at work and not in front of my gaming rig.  There might be a CV group to launch Mitchells.

Historical setup:
16 players with single B-25s launch and bomb ground targets.
No opposing force.

Special Event:
Teams challenge.

Players organize 16 player teams and hit ground targets for points.  Highest score wins.

How many players would want to do this?  What amount of energy needed to bring in 5 teams or more?


Historical Setup with what if:
16 players in single Mitchells
4 players in Axis fighters indictive of what was available

Teams challenge like above but with enemy contact.  Dedicated Axis team to challenge each team.

This might get more interest.


Non-historical setup with just Mitchells:
More than 16 players in single B-25s
More than 4 axis players.

One life or unlimited lives.  Possibilities.


No where close to history:
Allied has B-25s and Wildcats
Axis has fighters for defense
Axis has bombers for CV group



These are just the top of my head.  Being a CM, the hardest part is BALANCE.  Also, it helps to get a sense of what the players like and being interested.  We only have those who speak up on the forum and the silent majority either show up or not at all.

Those who want to see this happen.  You're welcome to get some interest.  Work out what you want.  I or one of the other CMs can reserve a night in SEA 2.

The "non-historical" or "what-if" options will be the ones used.  Just look at our Pearl Harbor runs.  The only issue I see is the number of players in general.  This would likely pull 2 to 3 times the max number, and to run with too much more than the "historical" would ruin the immersion.  24 v 6 would be pushing it, but could be "workable".  32 v 8 would be the absolute max in my opinion, but you'd likely want two CV's for this vs everyone taking off from one.  Ack would definitely need to be adjusted if they're to stick to the historical altitudes, but to my understanding that would be the easiest thing to do.  I don't remember exactly what the Japan Terrain looks like, but is there anywhere the 25's could land after they've hit their targets?  IF I recall correctly, there was a bases in the far NE corner of the map (which answers my own question), but again, I don't remember exactly.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: AKKuya on February 03, 2022, 06:25:53 PM
I didn't find a Japan terrain in my downloaded terrains.  I recall a strat map for it in one of the special events pages.  If anyone has a downloaded Japan terrain for AHIII, then that would need to be shared.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: turt21 on February 03, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
For any other old codgers that remember this was done in Air Warrior. It may have been the first of its kind. We were lined up on a CV or tried to. Servers couldnt handle that many bombers on a CV at the time and we had to lift from a nearby island. I think the flight might have been 20 min. Fun none the less.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 03, 2022, 08:32:29 PM
I didn't find a Japan terrain in my downloaded terrains.  I recall a strat map for it in one of the special events pages.  If anyone has a downloaded Japan terrain for AHIII, then that would need to be shared.

AKKuya, if you will let me know the coordinates and the area needed in general I can generate something with Artik program.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: AKKuya on February 03, 2022, 09:32:55 PM
AKKuya, if you will let me know the coordinates and the area needed in general I can generate something with Artik program.

I have no idea to what you're referring to.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 03, 2022, 11:36:22 PM
I have no idea to what you're referring to.

I understood you wanted a map of Japan created. Is that not correct?

(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404572.0;attach=34851)
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: AKKuya on February 04, 2022, 06:33:17 AM
That would be great.  I'm thinking that Special Events might have one just not available.  Kinda fuzzy on the memory.

Are you a terrain builder?
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 04, 2022, 09:55:03 AM
Yes sir, or at least I have developed several maps, I utilize Artiks MakeaAHMap program. With it if you have the GPS coordinates and know how big an area you need, it will extract the data from sources of USGS data and replicate the area, with elevations and terrain types. That example map was generated in about 5 minutes with the Tokyo as the GPS central location.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Nefarious on February 13, 2022, 08:29:35 AM
We had a Japan Map, but it didn't make the AH3 conversion.

I suggest making two maps so they can be larger in scale.

One that includes Kyushu, Shikoku and the southern Ryuku islands (Okinawa) and another map which focuses on the Tokyo area of Honshu.

I would like for you to contact Ghostdancer and see if you two could collaborate to make these happen. I could help with an object placement map.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Drano on February 13, 2022, 09:25:53 AM
Has it been that long? I seem to recall a late war FSO with B-29s bombing Japan. Escorted by Corsairs and Mustangs vs N1K2 and Ki-84s. I know I've been doing this so long things start to run together but it didn't seem like it was that long ago!

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Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Nefarious on February 13, 2022, 09:55:46 AM
Has it been that long?

Haha, yep.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Shuffler on February 22, 2022, 12:40:43 PM
Hmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: JimmyD3 on February 22, 2022, 01:35:32 PM
We had a Japan Map, but it didn't make the AH3 conversion.

I suggest making two maps so they can be larger in scale.

One that includes Kyushu, Shikoku and the southern Ryuku islands (Okinawa) and another map which focuses on the Tokyo area of Honshu.

I would like for you to contact Ghostdancer and see if you two could collaborate to make these happen. I could help with an object placement map.

Sorry Nefarious just read this, I assume you are talking to me? If so I will contact Ghostdancer and see what I can do to help out.
Title: Re: Billy Mitchell and the Raid on mainland Japan
Post by: Sakai on June 29, 2022, 06:43:04 PM
Flew them off CVS regularly in AW