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Title: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Slade on August 16, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
HiTech,

We know you are busy but please consider this.  While we pay a monthly fee for the game, what would it take for you to add a new plane? Perhaps the Beaufighter or Ki-100.

If we started a GoFundMe.com, how much would a new plane require given your constraints?


Thanks for considering,

-X15-

Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 16, 2022, 04:46:28 PM
Excellent Idea Slade, I would contribute.  :aok
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Tig on August 16, 2022, 05:38:00 PM
HiTech,

We know you are busy but please consider this.  While we pay a monthly fee for the game, what would it take for you to add a new plane? Perhaps the Beaufighter or Ki-100.

If we started a GoFundMe.com, how much would a new plane require given your constraints?


Thanks for considering,

-X15-

I say A-26 Invader, but yeah, sounds like a great idea! I'd contribute!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Devil 505 on August 16, 2022, 09:16:52 PM
I don't think you guys understand just how much would be need to be raised to make this work.

Last year I asked HiTech how much it would cost to add a Bf 110F. It would require only taking elements from the existing 110C and 110G 3D models and altering the files to factor in the new weights, and engine power figures. I even offered to make the default skin.

He gave me a rough dollar estimate for this fairly simple task and it was shockingly high.

Put it this way, if every player that participated in the last frame of FSO donated $100 each, (just to illustrate a small, yet definable subset of the player base) it would not cover half of the estimated cost for one modification of an existing plane.
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Bopgun on August 16, 2022, 09:22:16 PM
Lol the 110F piggy bank
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 16, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
I don't think you guys understand just how much would be need to be raised to make this work.

Last year I asked HiTech how much it would cost to add a Bf 110F. It would require only taking elements from the existing 110C and 110G 3D models and altering the files to factor in the new weights, and engine power figures. I even offered to make the default skin.

He gave me a rough dollar estimate for this fairly simple task and it was shockingly high.

Put it this way, if every player that participated in the last frame of FSO donated $100 each, (just to illustrate a small, yet definable subset of the player base) it would not cover half of the estimated cost for one modification of an existing plane.

So we're talking maybe $40K to create a new plane?
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Devil 505 on August 16, 2022, 10:11:51 PM
So we're talking maybe $40K to create a new plane?

For an all new 3D model, who knows? Considering that the 110F is just splicing together parts of existing models, I'd expect something like a Ki-100 or updated Tempest to cost well over $50K.
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Slade on August 17, 2022, 08:06:40 AM
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For an all new 3D model, who knows? Considering that the 110F is just splicing together parts of existing models, I'd expect something like a Ki-100 or updated Tempest to cost well over $50K.

That is of course speculation until we see HiTech's response. 

Keep in mind we are asking him to invest in his game in a manner that will attract and sustain new users.  Also,  making changes with a well-created and tested codeset, i.e. not having to reinvent the wheel.

HiTech, what say you sir?

-X15-
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: turt21 on August 17, 2022, 11:09:24 AM
I say A-26 Invader, but yeah, sounds like a great idea! I'd contribute!  :cheers:

 :rock
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: nopoop on August 17, 2022, 11:57:43 AM
This game has enough planes..

Have enough skins. We need MAPS.

Advertisement and small maps. A longer free period.

You really think a new plane is going to have people breaking down the door to play ???

Oooooooh Ooooooooh !!!!!

This game has a new A26 !!!!!! Lets sign up !!!
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2022, 12:04:22 PM
What nopoop said...

Maybe a go fund me page to edit the map list 1st?

Eagler
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Slade on August 17, 2022, 02:17:11 PM
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Maybe a go fund me page to edit the map list 1st?

Why not have a GoFundMe for both? ;-)
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: fuzeman on August 17, 2022, 02:53:28 PM
Your neighbor walks up to your door and rings the bell. Hi Fred he said. Hi Luigi I replied. Fred continues: Well Luigi, you know my wife Dorothy right? Fred nods his noggin in the affirmative and Luigi continues.....
Well Dorothy and the members of her book club don't like the color of your house and set up a Go Fund me page to get money so you can repaint your house. Here's the paint we bought for you so you can start tomorrow.

Go back to working on the van fuze!!
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Meatwad on August 18, 2022, 06:37:38 PM
Unless something drastic changes, unfortunately the days of getting a new aircraft will probably never happen again
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: fuzeman on August 18, 2022, 08:01:30 PM
I guess there’s time to master the ones we have.  :aok   :airplane:   :joystick:
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Dichotomy on August 20, 2022, 06:47:51 PM
I say A-26 Invader, but yeah, sounds like a great idea! I'd contribute!  :cheers:

I've wanted the A26 forever.  After seeing yours I want one even more
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Oldman731 on August 20, 2022, 11:08:47 PM
I've wanted the A26 forever.  After seeing yours I want one even more

Warren Hassler oversaw my independent studies program when I was a history major in college.  https://www.psu.edu/news/liberal-arts/story/warren-w-hassler-professor-emeritus-american-history-dies/.  One of his notable needs was an injection of a pint of good humor...maybe two.  So far as I can tell, he never got them.  But the one thing that lit him up was when he described flying the A-26 during WWII.  "It was a hot ship."  I can still hear him saying that.

Kenny didn't want it in the Pacific because the engines were placed so far forward that they blocked the pilot's view to the sides.  So it had a short history there.  I'm not sure it would have a longer history in AH.

- oldman
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Tig on August 21, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
I've wanted the A26 forever.  After seeing yours I want one even more

 :rock

Warren Hassler oversaw my independent studies program when I was a history major in college.  https://www.psu.edu/news/liberal-arts/story/warren-w-hassler-professor-emeritus-american-history-dies/.  One of his notable needs was an injection of a pint of good humor...maybe two.  So far as I can tell, he never got them.  But the one thing that lit him up was when he described flying the A-26 during WWII.  "It was a hot ship."  I can still hear him saying that.

Kenny didn't want it in the Pacific because the engines were placed so far forward that they blocked the pilot's view to the sides.  So it had a short history there.  I'm not sure it would have a longer history in AH.

- oldman

Which is funny, because I can tell you from real world experience that it has significantly better visibility than the A-20 Havoc.  :huh
I'd love to see what happens with it in Aces High, the Invader I work on frequently has a hard time doing formation photo passes because the P-51 Mustangs literally can't keep up with us!!  :x
There's something priceless about a Mustang pilot getting on the radio and asking you to please slow down.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: RotBaron on August 21, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
For an all new 3D model, who knows? Considering that the 110F is just splicing together parts of existing models, I'd expect something like a Ki-100 or updated Tempest to cost well over $50K.

That’s  $7 million or more in just the planes we have. That doesn’t sound right…not to mention GVs.

With no employees, not nearly as much overhead as before. A new plane would be man hours, right?
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Devil 505 on August 21, 2022, 10:52:11 PM
That’s  $7 million or more in just the planes we have. That doesn’t sound right…not to mention GVs.

With no employees, not nearly as much overhead as before. A new plane would be man hours, right?

I really have no idea. All I know is the price figure HiTech gave me for a much simpler job than making a whole new plane. That amount seems too big for just hiring out Waffle freelance to do the job. No way it's a 200-300 hour job. But it's also not big enough money to cover a year's salary.

Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 31, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
This game has enough planes..

Have enough skins. We need MAPS.

Advertisement and small maps. A longer free period.

You really think a new plane is going to have people breaking down the door to play ???

Oooooooh Ooooooooh !!!!!

This game has a new A26 !!!!!! Lets sign up !!!


This

 and y'all wouldn't believe just the internet bill for Aces High to run.....


TC

Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Chalenge on September 02, 2022, 09:41:31 PM
I really have no idea. All I know is the price figure HiTech gave me for a much simpler job than making a whole new plane. That amount seems too big for just hiring out Waffle freelance to do the job. No way it's a 200-300 hour job. But it's also not big enough money to cover a year's salary.

A practiced 3D artist could build the baseline model quickly but rigging the controls and linking the cockpit (to scale) would probably take longer. Add to that the fact Hitech mentioned that there is an "HTC method" to how they want things done (no clarification on what that is) and there will be rework. The weekly salary at entry level is $2,400.00 (add 25% for inflation) and that's entry level. That's JUST the 3D model. Rigging, texturing, and animating, are extra.

So maybe now you can appreciate what Waffle did for us all.
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Dadtallica on December 30, 2022, 07:31:15 PM
Just jumping in this to say I would contribute but probably not to a plane. New game features or fixes and yes maps gets my cheddar.  :rock
Title: Re: Crowd Funding a Wish
Post by: Meatwad on January 01, 2023, 08:38:36 AM
Dont expect to see any new aircraft or gvs to the game since everyone in house that were involved in it either quit or "retired" from htc. Since ht is a 1 man show now, I personally see this game on some form of autopilot until it goes kaupt or the input revenue no longer is enough to keep it running