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Title: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 22, 2022, 06:02:13 PM
Is it normal once you engage the Zoom key and go to firing or getting ready to fire that it jumps out of zoom? 
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 22, 2022, 06:44:41 PM
Not normal. Not even sure what you would have going on that would cause it to do that.

 :salute
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: oboe on November 22, 2022, 07:22:08 PM
I would check your key mappings to make sure you don't have a key that is double-mapped.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 22, 2022, 10:44:07 PM
I would check your key mappings to make sure you don't have a key that is double-mapped.
Keyboard Z and Joystick has one mapped.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 22, 2022, 11:09:40 PM
Keyboard Z and Joystick has one mapped.

Which do you prefer to use?   Seems to be that you have been using the keyboard and accidentally turning it on/ off on the joystick

When you say keyboard you typed a capital Z (reading that as Shift z)...is that what you meant?
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: Eagler on November 23, 2022, 07:18:55 AM
I use zoom to view but not when firing...usually close enough then it's not needed

Eagler
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: FLS on November 23, 2022, 07:44:12 AM
Keyboard Z and Joystick has one mapped.

Try unmapping the joystick to isolate the issue. If that works try mapping a different joystick button.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2022, 11:38:10 AM
Which do you prefer to use?   Seems to be that you have been using the keyboard and accidentally turning it on/ off on the joystick

When you say keyboard you typed a capital Z (reading that as Shift z)...is that what you meant?
No it was just a 'z' on my Keys Mapping.

I use a button on Stick to enable it.  Must i remove the Keyboard mapping of z?
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: oboe on November 23, 2022, 12:06:48 PM
No it was just a 'z' on my Keys Mapping.

I use a button on Stick to enable it.  Must i remove the Keyboard mapping of z?

You should be OK with it mapped to a single key and also to a button on the controller.

One other thing that trips me up occasionally - when Zoom is enabled, you can use the "Zoom In" and "Zoom Out" functions.  Not sure what keys these are; I have them mapped to one of the Fwd/Back hat switches on my joystick.   Anyway, if you Zoom Out all the way while Zoom is enabled, the view looks exactly the same as the the normal view - so if you switch back and forth between Zoom enabled or disabled, your view doesn't change.  This can be confusing.   
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2022, 04:20:39 PM
I have two CH sticks and one Thrustmaster t-flght. My CH worked well on AH but Win 10 update ruined the CH products and I remember Zoom worked fine way back. I've done many changes to try to get my CH sticks to work and nothing changed.  I hear some sources say CH has no plans to update the software and has no future plans in the market. The main engineer retired and this really blows. Unless some programmer creates a fix on his own and shares it CH products are junk.  Very disappointing..  Leave it to Microsoft to ruin things

 Looking at newer hotas they don't seem to be that good expect the Warthog which is way to costly for me                                                                                           Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 23, 2022, 05:58:08 PM
You can use the CH gear, without using the CH software. Works just fine.

AH actually does a real good job handling the control, and button assignments. I have a CH fighter stick that I use on my non gaming pc running win10.

 :salute

Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2022, 06:07:23 PM
You can use the CH gear, without using the CH software. Works just fine.

AH actually does a real good job handling the control, and button assignments. I have a CH fighter stick that I use on my non gaming pc running win10.

 :salute
My CH Fighterstick isn't showing up in USB Game options and therefore wont show in the Game, Let me uninstall/install and try again.

What Stick do you to play AH?
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 23, 2022, 06:22:31 PM
I use a Virpil Mongoos on my flying rig.

If your stick isn't showing up in devices then it's more likely a problem with the stick or the usb port. You might try a different port and see if windows sees it. If you mean that AH isn't seeing it try starting AH with the stick already plugged in then go into map controllers, and see if you see it there.

My CH stick sits in a desk drawer and when I need to use it I just plug it into one of the front usb ports and AH even remembers the settings.

 :salute
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 23, 2022, 08:08:48 PM
I use a Virpil Mongoos on my flying rig.

If your stick isn't showing up in devices then it's more likely a problem with the stick or the usb port. You might try a different port and see if windows sees it. If you mean that AH isn't seeing it try starting AH with the stick already plugged in then go into map controllers, and see if you see it there.

My CH stick sits in a desk drawer and when I need to use it I just plug it into one of the front usb ports and AH even remembers the settings.

 :salute
I never heard of a Virpil Mongoos
Any ways I have tried my sticks in two Usb ports
This is frustrating. My son has a X52 Logitec. Seems poor quality but many buttons.
I was looking at getting a new Stick and yet there are 4 here to use. 2 CH, a logitec and a Thrustmaster.

I have analog CH pedal that works
Usb CH isn't working. 3 ports and my CH Fs does not show up
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: oboe on November 23, 2022, 10:01:22 PM
Are you able to try the CH flight stick on your son's computer?  Or a laptop ort something?  Just to rule out a problem with the CH stick?
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 24, 2022, 01:39:37 AM
I can when he shows up. He's a very busy young un
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 24, 2022, 10:29:46 AM
One of the things that is bothering me is you say "or getting ready to fire" I'm not sure why the zoom state would change when you are getting ready to fire. Are you activating a switch before you fire?

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Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 24, 2022, 11:51:10 AM
When I am adjusting my aim on the boggy with a twist of the rudder(StickTwist) and sometimes when i am firing and it completely ruins things. I set my Analog CH pedals to rudder and removed the TwistStick rudder and it still jumps from zoom.

I googled the issue again late last night and found that CH claims that CH Usb devices were designed for USB 2. And claimed they do not do well with 3.0 or higher

I will try Usb 2.0 soon and let you know how it goes
Thanx
 
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 24, 2022, 03:57:23 PM
Usb 2.0 ports didn't help
I give up on Ch devices
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: The Fugitive on November 24, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
Usb 2.0 ports didn't help
I give up on Ch devices

Test the CH stuff on another computer. until just recently I was running with a CH throttle and pedals in WIN10, and only got rid on my CH stick a year ago (use a warthog now) also running on WIN10 with out issue (until the shaft of the hat got too worn to work).

So I know they WILL work on WIN10. Yours may have just died, but you wont know until you try them on another computer.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 24, 2022, 10:14:04 PM
Test the CH stuff on another computer. until just recently I was running with a CH throttle and pedals in WIN10, and only got rid on my CH stick a year ago (use a warthog now) also running on WIN10 with out issue (until the shaft of the hat got too worn to work).

So I know they WILL work on WIN10. Yours may have just died, but you wont know until you try them on another computer.
It has very little use on it.  The issue is common only since the latest Win 10 updates. It worked prior to the update
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 24, 2022, 10:24:20 PM
It has very little use on it.  The issue is common only since the latest Win 10 updates. It worked prior to the update

You should still check it on another computer. I just plugged my Fighterstick in on an up to date win10 machine and it works with no problem. Like I said before, AH even remembers my settings. Doesn't really matter how much use you have on it if it's fried it's fried.

 :salute
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 24, 2022, 11:54:07 PM
You should still check it on another computer. I just plugged my Fighterstick in on an up to date win10 machine and it works with no problem. Like I said before, AH even remembers my settings. Doesn't really matter how much use you have on it if it's fried it's fried.

 :salute
will do
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: morfiend on November 25, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
Gen, did you map zoom to the twist function? If so it could be either unwanted input or spiking of the twist axis. You could add deadpan and dampening to reduce both spiking and unwanted input!  When you pull the trigger you often see rudder input with twist sticks

If you open clipboard go to map controls and select the rudder axis for the stick,pull the trigger and see if the numbers for input change,if they do add some deadpan by moving slider up and see if that stops the input,if that doesn’t work then add some dampening to try and stop the input.

I used a 4way hat for zoom,push up to use zoom and side to side to zoom in or out, it’s a novel idea to use the twist function to zoom in or out,you just need to adjust the sensitivity of the axis. You can also adjust the sliders to reduce the sensitivity,start from left to right and lower the sliders and check the axis scaling box for it to take effect,you’ll likely want to check the box first then adjust and see if you can dial out the unwanted input and or spiking.


Hope this helps.             

   <S>
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 25, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
 I have mapped the zoom to Twist by typically as single button on throttle.  I have moved the dead ban and damper settings.  I have tried the twist rudder for zoom and used my Ch analog pedals for rudder.


Ok my Son got CH Fighterstick to working on his PC. Darnit
 My windows is a much newer install. Time to fix my windows.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 25, 2022, 11:13:13 PM
My CH Fighterstick worked fine on my sons PC.

So I reset my PC to fresh windows.
 And after ruining all my settings and having to download, reset everything and install apps my CH figherstick still will not show up in USB game controllers..  argggg


Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GasTeddy on November 26, 2022, 03:38:17 AM
Really weird. I had similar problems with my T.16000M but removing and reinstalling drivers and TM Software did the job. Have you tried that?

Software (https://www.chproducts.com/Fighterstick-v13-d-722.html)   Drivers without software (https://www.driverscape.com/download/ch-fighterstick-usb)

As it was mentioned earlier, CH works also without software. Same with T.16000M, but for updating sw is needed.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: Drano on November 26, 2022, 07:59:36 AM
I'm still using my CH USB Throttle. It's on its last legs but it works! Also using the CH control manager. The software needs to be version 455a to work in windows 10. Must be that version. Any old CH map files will transfer into it fine.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 26, 2022, 10:09:07 AM
Thanks guys. Will try the t-flight SW. I id use the v455A CM
Not enough buttons on it for me and was looking for someone better,
The only thing i can find better is the Warthog. To costly for me.

Ch fighterstick worked on my sons computer,.
The fresh windows reset did not help me.  Other than faster and better graphics. The main differences is his windows Win 10 is premium and mine is the simple home version.  I've been using windows since win 3.0 and this Win 10 is the worst of all.
Maybe I need to get pro. Win 11 looks worse than 10

I googled the question and it said Win 10 pro is no better for gaming then Home edition.
It's better for business

I have no idea why his PC works the Ch stick and mine wont
 
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: The Fugitive on November 26, 2022, 10:41:27 AM
Starting to look like a bad usb port. unplug your mouse or keyboard and plug your stick in there. If your keyboard and mouse work you KNOW those ports are good.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 26, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
Back to the original issue. I'm a little confused about this statement from you. " I have mapped the zoom to Twist by typically as single button on throttle"
Did you have the zoom mapped to the twisty on your stick? If you did you need to remove it, that could be the issue. Another thing is to go through your stick and throttle mapping and make sure you don't have "zoom toggle" assigned to something other than the button you want to use for zoom.

I would also quit looking at windows as being the issue, on your CH stick not working, unless you did a custom windows install. More likely it's a hardware or operator problem. Are you using a usb hub? If so try plugging the stick directly into the pc. Also don't look in the game controllers in windows, look at the controller mapping within AH, double press the trigger and see if you get the assignment window pop-up. If you do then AH sees the stick. As I said before, you don't have to use the CH software to use the stick in AH, and I would uninstall it if it is on your computer until you get the stick working. Then if you think you need it install it.

 :salute
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 26, 2022, 12:10:36 PM
That can't be. I've already plugged T-flight hotas in the same port and headphones etc.
This is very frustrating
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: Bizman on November 26, 2022, 12:24:24 PM
Ch fighterstick worked on my sons computer,.---I have no idea why his PC works the Ch stick and mine wont
Might simply be a power issue. Some gear are more power thirsty than others. Also some motherboards may share the available power to more than just one pair of USB ports. Especially with USB2 ports the power is quite limited. USB3 can provide more power but again, they don't tell how many ports share the same line.

That said, if you have both USB2 and USB3 ports, plug the least thirsty devices to the USB2 ports (keyboard and mouse usually). If you have a printer, you can share a pair of ports with that if you shut it down when gaming. If it's in standby mode it can wake up for nozzle cleaning which in turns can affect your controllers. A powered USB hub is a fool proof choice.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 26, 2022, 06:04:11 PM
Update/ I decided to go ahead and install the CM after resetting Win 10.
It found my CH fighterstick.
Yea!!!

Now i could a use CH throttle to complete this setup and maybe get decent enough to have some fun on here

thanks for the help  !!!
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: SIK1 on November 26, 2022, 06:14:57 PM
Great news.  :aok
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: morfiend on November 26, 2022, 07:41:58 PM
Update/ I decided to go ahead and install the CM after resetting Win 10.
It found my CH fighterstick.
Yea!!!

Now i could a use CH throttle to complete this setup and maybe get decent enough to have some fun on here

thanks for the help  !!!


Look at the TWCS throttle good price point and much better than the latest ch stuff, I have both and only use the ch throttle for the buttons as the throttle axis isn’t very good.
Title: Re: Zoom Question
Post by: GenMata on November 26, 2022, 08:00:56 PM
i will keep that in mind
Thanks