Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Animl-AW on February 28, 2023, 12:02:08 PM
-
I'm posting this outside of Custom Sounds to get a better viewing audience to seek possible wider help. Don't shoot me.
I've read up on Chalenge and his incredible devotion, money spent, and time in his quest to create the best sound pack possible. He is a true viking in his approach. I wished I was around to have worked with him on it.
>I< think it would be a disastrous failure to not help him complete this mission, for him and the game.
I would love to get my hands on his files and do just that. I can derive other sounds from other sound packs and create a new one,.. but,.. I think what this guy did needs attention as plan A. Its so hard to find authentic digital recordings.
I have no idea the challenges it might take to acquire these, better yet finish processing them with fixes,.. IF his family would even still have them OR even want to hand them to someone else. There is a boat load of copyrights here, which would have to be, unless he stated different in public, he hasn't done that to my knowledge.
The fact I now know he used a Sennheiser mic tells me a lot of how they need to be EQed so it doesn't sound miced, no electronic sounds at all, just purity. I know those mics well, I know what it adds, therefore I know what to remove. They add high-end (treble). Nothing should be colored. If he didn't use a thick fluffy windscreen wind, air noise ambient sounds would need to be minimized.
The problem is acquiring these files, they may not trust what will come of his work in whose hands.
If that is the case, let me sell myself here. I won't ever discuss this again, it's not meant to be a brag, it's a qualitification. Everyone does things in life they are proud of, heroism exist everywhere. I'm nothing "special". I'm just Opie from Mayberry who ended up in a odd job.
If his family needs convincing let me throw my hat into the ring.
I've been a professional live concert sound engineer for 43 yrs now, started in 1980. I've cracked a lot of walls. I've worked directly with 450 high profile artist in 4000 concerts. Everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, to Rammstien, Alice Cooper, Megadeath, Willie Nelson, Styx.. to Aretha Franklin and everyone in between,.. including on the audio crews for speeches of 5 presidents (Ford, Bush Sr., Clinton, Obama, Biden). Jerry Eubanks (flute player from Marshall Tucker Band) and I flew AW together at times. My background is searchable. The files would be in good hands and treated in a professional respectful manner. His work would not be wasted. I'm just putting it out there ONCE. I don't seek any credit, he owns that.
That said, I would be willing to sign any agreement that sustains his and their ownership, possible copyrights, and any revenue that could ever be made would belong to them.
I'm coming out of my down-time time of year. I have a small window of time to get this setup so when I do have time off I have something ready to jump into. By July to Nov. I will be working non-stop in another record breaking year of shows/events. I retire in 2 yrs, I'm way burned out.
I'm hoping that if someone knows him well, and knows how to contact his family, they could make this approach to them.
I apologize in advance of not properly placing this post. It's a last ditch effort. Move it if you must.
-
I think this is awesome. I loved Chalenge's sounds, but was a bit turned off by the lack of audio with flaps in some planes, and as previously mentioned the engine start sound when a plane flew into a certain range. Both easy fixes by someone that knows what's going on.
Custom sounds add a lot of immersion to the game, and before AH3 I had always used Mitsu or Twinboom packs, I kind of mix and matched them. I wish I had something to contribute to efforts to get this rolling, but I don't. If money was a concern, maybe we could start a go fund me type deal to get the ball rolling.
Sounds are right up there with skins in this game, and they mean ALOT.
-
I love it too, and thank you Animl for your willingness to undertake this.
-
I think this is awesome. I loved Chalenge's sounds, but was a bit turned off by the lack of audio with flaps in some planes, and as previously mentioned the engine start sound when a plane flew into a certain range. Both easy fixes by someone that knows what's going on.
Custom sounds add a lot of immersion to the game, and before AH3 I had always used Mitsu or Twinboom packs, I kind of mix and matched them. I wish I had something to contribute to efforts to get this rolling, but I don't. If money was a concern, maybe we could start a go fund me type deal to get the ball rolling.
Sounds are right up there with skins in this game, and they mean ALOT.
I also had the Go-Fund-Me thought. I think HT and him had an arrangement to donate to his account. He dumped a lot of money and time into this project, which prolly took it out of family mouths, it would be a great hearted thing to return that, not a lost cause.
I have a saying about audio vs visual in my industry, no one goes home hmming the light show. :) It's very important in immersion.
-
I love it too, and thank you Animl for your willingness to undertake this.
Nothing inspires me more then a good "challenge", add in the horrible situation and multiple "good cause" and I've got both feet in, everyone wins. it enriches the spirit.
Maybe why I fly into hordes solo, it's great SA practice, builds character. :)
-
I think this is awesome. I loved Chalenge's sounds, but was a bit turned off by the lack of audio with flaps in some planes, and as previously mentioned the engine start sound when a plane flew into a certain range. Both easy fixes by someone that knows what's going on.
Custom sounds add a lot of immersion to the game, and before AH3 I had always used Mitsu or Twinboom packs, I kind of mix and matched them. I wish I had something to contribute to efforts to get this rolling, but I don't. If money was a concern, maybe we could start a go fund me type deal to get the ball rolling.
Sounds are right up there with skins in this game, and they mean ALOT.
About mixing,...I'm not even sure the default sounds are still my files, some sound familiar. I mixed them in a way that frequencies did not mask other frequencies, which just turns into racket. I may have mixed the flaps and wheels a little on the hot side. In reality, you didn't hear as much as I mixed, it was intentional. He was in the right authentic direction, he shot for 100% accuracy. Sometimes one needs some dynamics and theatrics, I'm not so sure I would go against his wishes in the mix-down, but find compromises. Mixing them up is not a big deal. Would I mix them up the same as I did in AW and AH packs? probably not. It's what you're used to, it's not realistic.
Everyone literally hears differently, one person may like one thing, another hate it,.. the object is to find that honey spot where most like it. If you're going to mix sound for large audiences that you pour your heat into, you better have seriously thick skin. It could be your best mix ever, someone will find it unappealing, like the guy who works in a steal mill hearing clanging all day,.. his ears are wiped. I'm hoping the few bugs and errors didn't hurt his pride and discourage him. This is a hard group to please. Sometimes you're trying to please the un-pleaseable.
Here's a clue, I started my 51 last night, first thing I heard was the wheels, then engine start, and I was not using his files. Only happened once, but it happened.
-
Way off topic but I saw +Sax (sic) mentioned and always wonder how he’s doing when listening to SevenMoore.
On topic , sound packs good even though my abacus has issues with them.
-
Revo, a squadmate of mine, had a copyright shenanigan with Chalenge. Somewhere in part on a BBS thread.
He checked out alot of the sounds in the soundpack and found that many were taken from youtube vids of the same aircraft.
I don't think you have much to worry about on the copyright issues here.
Personally my opinion, I'd question everything posted by Chalenge about his soundpack about cost and efforts. On the basis that not only were his sound from youtube vids but some believe he used to go by the nefarious name Voss many moons ago.
I say go for it, you do you, and make them great. :rock
-
would love for this to happen, the old sound packs made the game feel more alive. I'd also love for the F4U-1A, 1D, 1C and -4 to get some love. The -1 he did sounds amazing.
-
Revo, a squadmate of mine, had a copyright shenanigan with Chalenge. Somewhere in part on a BBS thread.
He checked out alot of the sounds in the soundpack and found that many were taken from youtube vids of the same aircraft.
I don't think you have much to worry about on the copyright issues here.
Personally my opinion, I'd question everything posted by Chalenge about his soundpack about cost and efforts. On the basis that not only were his sound from youtube vids but some believe he used to go by the nefarious name Voss many moons ago.
I say go for it, you do you, and make them great. :rock
Alrighty then!!
I had/have my suspicions on numbers I saw. I'll leave it at that, he's not here to defend himself. Somehow, "Voss" rings a memory bell.
It's always good to cover all bases when confronting someone about their own work. HT did the same with me.
Regardless,
1) They have to be authentic, however obtained.
2) They have to be high quality, at least within the realm able to be cleaned up. I lost hair trying to get MP3 files cleaned up enough for my AH pack, many were replaced several times. As bad as some people think some files are, the alternative was much worse. it was the best you'd get at that time.
I had to do some file lifting myself just to fill the slots. Back then videos used low grade grainy MP3 files, today they are MP4 and hi-res. I'm good with that.
I'm not holding my breath on getting his files, but I would like to see what he has, lets see where the dust settles on that. I don't feel much movement.
Plan B
I think it would be best, and time saving, if the community threw the best files they have found at me, mix and match from other sets to achieve the best of the best. Like "I never heard any other file sound this realistic and authentic."
Plan C
Time consuming,..>IF< his files are that great and we can't get them, I/we could literally re-record them in game, as long as a sound card can do direct recording on "what you hear". One way or another I can duplicate his files at the quality his end product ended up at and then shine them up. Originals would always be best. Using .ogg was a mistake, I know his thinking the game would run better, but that's not so much the case. .wavs run just fine because they are small files that load quick, and you'll get the full frequency spectrum in high-res. You're running .wav now, for years.
-
I'd question everything posted by Chalenge about his soundpack about cost and efforts. On the basis that not only were his sound from youtube vids but some believe he used to go by the nefarious name Voss many moons ago.
OK personally knowing him and seeing his equipment and showing me videos and photos of overseas trips to specifically record sounds at air shows and tanks he recorded.
The Voss thing also was BS.
He spent thousands on sound equipment & he had the means to do so.
It was his hobby he enjoyed with no expense spared on it.
He was very careful on not infringing on peoples copyrights so ripping off Youtube videos would also be BS.
He also showed me all the sound packs that were in game that were all rip offs and could trace all of them back to original owners & he would notify them of infringements he found.
He knew what he was doing and did it well.
-
Man, challenges death was quite sudden, really a shame. Hope the you know what didn't have any involvement with a died suddenly, but you never get any details on how they passed. Really too bad for the community.
Personally Animl, I think this is a great idea. Hopefully you can find and recover them. I know a lot of work went into it so would be awesome if you could salvage them and keep the sounds updates going. I'm all for it! :aok
-
Sadly he had a stroke and his health just never recovered from it.
-
I don’t think I’m going to have much luck without HT’s help at some point. I haven’t bothered him yet, I don’t bother people until I have my ducks in a row.
To his family, I’m just some unknown dude in an internet game, I’m just a cold call.
No matter how we bake it, I’ll need help making it happen. So far, there doesn’t seem to be anyone willing to be that person/hero.
Two things need to happen
1) obtain files
2) fmod license
Until then I’m dead in the water.
I don’t mind doing it, but its going to take help.
-
Sadly he had a stroke and his health just never recovered from it.
MWK's death,sure didnt help out! My first impression....as per Mrs. Challenge's description...left a 'Self Harm/ F it I am done fighting' sort of vibe? Heck, I still tear up 3 or 4 times a week over MWK's Passing. Same with Grimies death. SicPups-Purple Hearts...hard to define which one hurts the most...fly with the Remnant, on the daily :bhead
-
After watching Challnger's videos, and DLing FMOD,..... there is a great chance that doing his files may not happen.
One thing I know, the guy was authentic, knew what he was talking about, and did all the proper research.
He did mention copyrights in one video.
Not omly would it take some time to learn FMOD and what all my options are,... I would have to rework his files, and the amount of thought and research he put into them took a boat load of time a research, and a lot of knowledge. some of which I don't have. To come to his level of the work he put into it would take some time, at the worst time of the year for me to start big projects.
I'm not saying I can't do it, I'm saying I certainly don't have the time right now that he put into it. I sure wish we could have worked on this together. I can see where it took him a yr or more, and if I understand him right, he never got all the recordings/files he wanted.
I'll still look into it and hope I find a shortcut,... but even then they would probably have to be my own files and start from scratch.
MAYBE HT knows enough to fix his cpl errors, but he would be in the same boat,... the files, the project files,.. IF he or his wife would have even given permission.
-
After watching Challnger's videos, and DLing FMOD,..... there is a great chance that doing his files may not happen.
One thing I know, the guy was authentic, knew what he was talking about, and did all the proper research.
He did mention copyrights in one video.
Not omly would it take some time to learn FMOD and what all my options are,... I would have to rework his files, and the amount of thought and research he put into them took a boat load of time a research, and a lot of knowledge. some of which I don't have. To come to his level of the work he put into it would take some time, at the worst time of the year for me to start big projects.
I'm not saying I can't do it, I'm saying I certainly don't have the time right now that he put into it. I sure wish we could have worked on this together. I can see where it took him a yr or more, and if I understand him right, he never got all the recordings/files he wanted.
I'll still look into it and hope I find a shortcut,... but even then they would probably have to be my own files and start from scratch.
MAYBE HT knows enough to fix his cpl errors, but he would be in the same boat,... the files, the project files,.. IF he or his wife would have even given permission.
JUST AS I TOLD CHALLNGE........If you run into "PRICE" Walls, as to acquiring Authentic Sounds...I WILL Donate Funds!!!!!!!!!!!!! He never hit me up? YES...I am weird like that....this would be a + towards my game play experience.
-
JUST AS I TOLD CHALLNGE........If you run into "PRICE" Walls, as to acquiring Authentic Sounds...I WILL Donate Funds!!!!!!!!!!!!! He never hit me up? YES...I am weird like that....this would be a + towards my game play experience.
That IS mighty big of you. And while I appreciate the offer, as anyone should, it may be a good idea to not talk about money. Rarely is anyone going to afford how it really should be done.
I'm long winded. I'm going to try my best to condense the book of War and Peace into a post. This may explain why (if at all) we may end up getting authentic recordings how ever we can, mostly likely internet based. They cannot come from another game. I consider cockpit recordings on youtube to be "authentic", proper sound in proper AC. OR as someon else mentioned, buy a CD.
Some repeats here.
He took on a lot for one person, over-whelming, and he did good. It would be most economical to just fix the errors. A massive shortcut.
This is a small team type job. The reason game sounds sound really good, but after a while not great, even exhausting,..the affordability to do it exactly right. Even they will grow old too. It's the constant long term listening that's burning it out, not the quality. I don't see major problems with the sounds, they could be tweaked a touch.
I'm confident that if I had real well done recordings, and the proper time to process them, that if you closed your eyes you would say "ya, I'm there", that would be the goal. The invoice would be staggering.
To Record AC Live
You have ONE $hot at getting it right. Plan for that accordingly. There are infinite variables.
As a team we would decide the definition of "Right". Is the end EQing to be realistic or theatrical, or a mix of both? Plan for both. Is the sound going to be with or without pilot headset on? Which mics will be used in which placement. Design the same system to be used on every object.
First expensive mics do not mean better. A lot has to do with sales. I prefer Shure mics, most widely used mic in the industry, most under $300, they EQ really easy, and flatter response. Sennheisers are expensive and quality (not a big fan), but EQing is like driving a truck with no power steering. Experience is the shortcut. This is where I could have been help to Chalenge. It CAN be done with 1-2 mics, but with money spent for the occasion, don't risk having to trash the recording as not usable. Go over-board. One shot-one-kill. This is how we do live productions, concerts or corporate events. we think of everything that could go wrong, we lose sleep over it.
I'm not even going to touch on the psychology of sound and why something you listen to constantly needs to be flawless and NOT compressed. A book all by itself.
Professional Recordings
I want that AC for 1 hour (rent?), I own it and everything within 100ft for one hour. The entire runtime of the engine is 5-10 minutes, the rest is setup time. If I could get a 5 minute ride recording that would be better. Also, it would have to be done on windless days. That said, sound reflections from concrete,..if I'm going over-board it would be done with the AC over carpet under the front half of the air-frame
Microphone positions
Mic pairing gives the full spectrum (two sets of ears) and can be mixed together as one, full, rich, sound.
Recordings with closed canopy and motionless pilot, warm engine.
All mics into one mixer, with 6 outputs to recorder, each output on it's own track. The gear can be rented.
Interior Sound
3 Mics
A Shure 91 (or PZM) and Shure 81 Condenser suspended from the top of the canopy with rubber bands.
A Shure Lavalier (used on TV news) mounted inside the headset muff, comm system turned off.
Exterior Sound
3 Mics, with proper windscreens
AKG 414 condenser at a 45 degree angle at the side of the prop.
Shure 52 and a Shure 81 condensor for the engine/exhaust. All must be outside of prop air flow.
You have 99 other AC and Vehicles to do,.. you ARE NOT going to get them all, simple fact.
Processing
Not only would you have that mass expense above, gear, travel, lodging, meals,...
It will take at least 40-60 8 hr days to process 200-400 files. 60 X $425 per day = $25,500.
Lets not talk money, unless someone is going to throw 200k in the bucket. For a game that we cannot even confirm will be around for another 2-3 years? However, such a thing could breathe more life. Yin-Yang. Pick your poison. Gamble?
This would be the ultimate in sound immersion.
What Chalenge did is priceless. If we can fix it kewl, if not, we'll just have to do the best we can with what ever we can acquire, even then it's a big project. I would not put all this on one person, it would be best to have a team tackle this. Acquiring files, sign-off on the EQing and volume mix, testing.
I'm still battling with my approach, I have very few answers.
-
Challenge told me the same thing. Edit my other post..."Never Hit Me Up=Take my offer..." Appreciate the offer but I have hit the wall. Just to record engine sounds...PAY to Portray." Eh, that was just me trying to Pay Back, because of the love I have for this game. I already knew, this is a Pipe Dream. Surely, there must be a way, to record from Challenge's AH2 sound packs, and convert them to HMOD Format? As in.."I'm confident that if I had real well done recordings, and the proper time to process them, that if you closed your eyes you would say "ya, I'm there", that would be the goal. " ABSOLUTELY! Question is, does anyone have AH2 anymore? Do they have Challenge's Sound Trac Files.....probably a SOLID "NOPE". To be honest...I can live with what he produced for AH3. Just about every plane I fly, uses his engine/Gun sound pack!
You put yer Pony, in my Gunsights!
You put yer Spit 16, in mine🤣
Those Merlins sound BADDARSE!!!!!
-
I'm waiting to hear from FMOD if accessing the files within the bank files can be done. I'm too new to it to find any shortcut answers, so I'm at the mercy of others, so far no joy. I read if it's just music it can be done, if it's for a game it's harder. We'll see if or what their response is. DO NOT get any hopes up. I just don't have the time to research this day in day out to find a simple solution.
I am really not fond at all about attempting any project at the mercy of others. I'd prolly be done fixing it already, I can't even get it kick started. YET.
This is probably the worst case scenario that can happen when implementing this type of system. It's really great, it really is, until it's not, and then it's a nightmare. I'm not saying it was a bad idea, the biggest companies use it. No one expects a person to pass mid-project.
I'll prolly start a thread in Custom SOunds as it should be and let this post run down river.
-
If Lyric would be so kind, it seems he knows the family. If he could get in contact with them and see if they would be willing to send what sound files they have so that Animl could fix and add to Challenges sound pack to continue his legacy in the game. They may be happy to help keep h"him" here in the game with his sounds.
What say you Lyric?
-
If Lyric would be so kind, it seems he knows the family. If he could get in contact with them and see if they would be willing to send what sound files they have so that Animl could fix and add to Challenges sound pack to continue his legacy in the game. They may be happy to help keep h"him" here in the game with his sounds.
What say you Lyric?
Before I knew he was in very bad health and hospitalized I sent him a PM and that is when his wife answered on his behalf explaining his status. She had shut off his social media stuff because of his condition.
I did try the Phone number I had that also is off now.
I did pm Animl-AW to try AH messenger and hope his wife could help on his sounds. I don't think he had any luck there.
I will see if there is others within the squad that might have other details.
-
If Lyric would be so kind, it seems he knows the family. If he could get in contact with them and see if they would be willing to send what sound files they have so that Animl could fix and add to Challenges sound pack to continue his legacy in the game. They may be happy to help keep h"him" here in the game with his sounds.
What say you Lyric?
:salute My thoughts as well. Hopefully these Sound Packs of his, could be converted to HMOD? Not going to hold my breath, as Film/ Support from AH2 was lost, when AH3 launched. I had TONS of saved videos..poof. Maybe if they have the raw recordings from AH2 files..maybe.... hope......? His AH3 sounds are good enough for me! Yeah...merge with a foe...upon entering Ear Shot..start up sound from bandit :rofl Yeah...lots of 'Run Time...T-34 track sounds not stopping...ect. Bugs ...? Yes! My MERLINS HUMMING=PRICELESS MWK, Preaching, Professing his faith in God...with Challenge as the DJ/Sound guy...Heaven is gonna be Off The Chains!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEHEHE Off the chains.. IYKYK :old:
-
I'm pretty sure I have a working AH2 on one of my older PCs. On a Win7 drive that never sees the internet anymore. Heck I even built a hoopty PC with a bunch of old stuff during the pandemic that runs Air Warrior on 98se. Got any .cam files for that? I can make video from them! What is it you're looking for exactly? I probably have sound packs from AH2 in the downloads folder on that Win7 drive too.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
Before I knew he was in very bad health and hospitalized I sent him a PM and that is when his wife answered on his behalf explaining his status. She had shut off his social media stuff because of his condition.
I did try the Phone number I had that also is off now.
I did pm Animl-AW to try AH messenger and hope his wife could help on his sounds. I don't think he had any luck there.
I will see if there is others within the squad that might have other details.
I'd hate to see his work just disappear. If you or somebody you know can contact them, AND Animl is will to do the work, I think it would be a great legacy to Challenge to have the sound pack fixed, and maybe extended (thought I saw him saying he was working on more sounds one time) and to be kept alive in the game.
:pray
-
:salute My thoughts as well. Hopefully these Sound Packs of his, could be converted to HMOD? Not going to hold my breath, as Film/ Support from AH2 was lost, when AH3 launched. I had TONS of saved videos..poof. Maybe if they have the raw recordings from AH2 files..maybe.... hope......? His AH3 sounds are good enough for me! Yeah...merge with a foe...upon entering Ear Shot..start up sound from bandit :rofl Yeah...lots of 'Run Time...T-34 track sounds not stopping...ect. Bugs ...? Yes! My MERLINS HUMMING=PRICELESS MWK, Preaching, Professing his faith in God...with Challenge as the DJ/Sound guy...Heaven is gonna be Off The Chains!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEHEHE Off the chains.. IYKYK :old:
Now for them there is no more preaching, its all about Praising the Lord for His Glory and Mercies. :pray
-
@1stpar3 AH2 Still works on even Win11, I re-recorded a film from 2012 using the AH2 film viewer and my screen recording software a couple of weeks ago, just be sure to install it in a different folder to your AH3 install of course!
https://youtu.be/mcO7g3tnbk0
-
@1stpar3 AH2 Still works on even Win11, I re-recorded a film from 2012 using the AH2 film viewer and my screen recording software a couple of weeks ago, just be sure to install it in a different folder to your AH3 install of course!
https://youtu.be/mcO7g3tnbk0
I'm a bit confused. I definitely see all AH1 stuff only in a mission from 2012? :headscratch:
-
I'm a bit confused. I definitely see all AH1 stuff only in a mission from 2012? :headscratch:
My bad, I used the AH2 film viewer, you're right, it must be AH1 film, but the AH2 viewer was/is backwards compatible :)
-
One more layer of bad news.
The response from FMOD.
“ Hi,
I am really sorry about your situation, unfortunately, there is nothing we can do to edit the events inside a bank.
I am sorry I can’t assist further.”
-
Now for them there is no more preaching, its all about Praising the Lord for His Glory and Mercies. :pray
Dang it Kenai/Jimmy..I KNOW!!!! :cry MWK and I, had many the hours, discussing "RELIGION", and it's Faults. i.e. Prosperity Preachers. I will forever miss his,"Howdy Bish", followed by "Par! How goes it?" He also knew I am battling with Multiple Sclerosis "Mr. Knight, I can't complain! Too lazy, to come up with something to complain about!" He even prayed for me on my Squad Channel! HeHe, he knew I was hiding/holding something back? "Par, you dont seem like yourself bud? Would you mind if I prayed with ya?" THIS was just the week before............... :bhead A Tooth Abscess? Ya that hit hard....Bastage BEAT ME HOME!!!!!!
-
Dang it Kenai/Jimmy..I KNOW!!!! :cry MWK and I, had many the hours, discussing "RELIGION", and it's Faults. i.e. Prosperity Preachers. I will forever miss his,"Howdy Bish", followed by "Par! How goes it?" He also knew I am battling with Multiple Sclerosis "Mr. Knight, I can't complain! Too lazy, to come up with something to complain about!" He even prayed for me on my Squad Channel! HeHe, he knew I was hiding/holding something back? "Par, you dont seem like yourself bud? Would you mind if I prayed with ya?" THIS was just the week before............... :bhead A Tooth Abscess? Ya that hit hard....Bastage BEAT ME HOME!!!!!!
:aok you got it Brother. I know I'll see them both some day. When I would log in, I would always ask Mike how he was doing, his standard reply was "waiting for the Rapture". Mike is the second dear friend I've lost to teeth abscesses in my life. You too are one of a kind Par, always look forward to talking to you on line. :salute
-
Man, challenges death was quite sudden, really a shame. Hope the you know what didn't have any involvement with a died suddenly, but you never get any details on how they passed. Really too bad for the community.
Personally Animl, I think this is a great idea. Hopefully you can find and recover them. I know a lot of work went into it so would be awesome if you could salvage them and keep the sounds updates going. I'm all for it! :aok
Howdy Sir! "Hope the you know what didn't have any involvement with a died suddenly" I had that pop up in my thoughts also. According to Challenges Wife, MWK/Michael Knights passing, screwed him up! I cant argue. I dont believe he, well, you know...what you danced around..wasnt it. Was more..., 'self sacrifice,Offing' IYKWM? Not Suicide...just a "No More F's To Give" sort of thing? He just gave up the fight. Cant really blame him? Other than the fact , He beat me HOME, I have no qualms!
The other night, "Violator Shot Down....1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 6,..." Best action in months! :frown: You were RED! You got picked...however, If you had been green...me as your Wing? Lawd only knows how many kills you could have landed! Eh..all good! At least I didnt get...probed/violated? :devil :neener: :airplane: