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« on: May 10, 2004, 08:42:40 AM »
>>Miraculously, their Group was still unscarred, but others were paying the price for trespassing. Perhaps the tight formation they flew led the Germans to easier game. An excerpt from Lin's diary on that July 7 follows:

"Shortly after we waded through the most flak we've seen yet, we saw about two hundred Me109s and Fw190s hit a group just off to our right. They shot down twelve B-24s - a whole squadron - in about the time it takes to write this. The unfortunate Group was the 492nd. The sky was polluted with smoke trails from burning airplanes - both our and theirs. We saw one B-17 catch fire and slowly head for the ground. Two crewmembers bailed out, and one of these had the misfortune of having his chute catch fire. The 17 burned more fiercely and, in a flash, exploded, throwing her innards all over the sky. Several 109s came through our formation, but they were sorely pressed by some P-47s on their tail, so that they took no heed of us."


As they approached Halberstadt, the Group "uncovered", that is, went into squadron trail formation, so that bombing could be accomplished by each Squadron Lead bombardier. Flak became more intense, and the German fighters left so that anti-aircraft could throw more 88 and 128mm shells at them. For some reason, Lin called Pierce, his tail gunner, on the inter com and asked:

"Have you got your flak helmet on?" (He was reluctant to wear it.)

Almost as he asked there was an autopilot for the bomb run, lurched sideways to the right. There was a terrific crash of an exploding 88 shell, so close we could hear it. Lin again got on the intercom and asked:

"Anybody hurt?"

There was a meek voice he recognized as the tail gunner's:

"Lin, you aren't going to believe this, but part of the right tail is gone, and the upper part of my turret is too!"

As he was bending over to pick up his flak helmet, an 88 shell had torn through the area where his head had been seconds before and ripped off a portion of the right vertical tail, severing that control cable. Despite the C-1 autopilot's best efforts, the B-24 was drifting off the course prescribed by the Pilot Directional Indicator which was connected to the Norden bomb sight, so he disconnected the autopilot, cranked in rudder trim and returned to a centered PDI for the bomb run.


Contrary to all rumors, it didn't take both Lin's co-pilot and himself to fly the airplane with part of the tail shot away, and they continued leading the squadron to Aschersleben. At the bombardier's cry "bombs away", they went into a standard 8th Air Force evasive maneuver and descended one thousand feet in a sweeping left turn. The Germans were well aware that this was common practice, and their flak batteries became even more accurate. After they had reformed in Group formation, the crew took stock of the damage. Holes were all over the aft fuselage, and one of the gunner's parachutes (a chest pack) was riddled with shrapnel, several fuel cells in the wings were punctured, a large portion of the right tail was gone, the tail turret had no glass left, and after they returned to base they found that FIREBIRD had 63 holes in her, some of them large enough to put a man's head through, but the four Pratt & Whitney's were unscathed and continued to drone steadily on over the 500 mile return trip to base. Within a few days FIREBIRD was patched up as good as new and continued flying combat until she had piled up 72 missions without an abort. It was German fighters that finally got her long after they traded her in for a newer model J, complete with radar.


The battle damage to their aircraft was negligible compared to other instances of B-24 battle damage. Much has been written and many photos published of the B-17s ability to sustain battle damage and return home. The Liberator need not take a back seat in this department, for there were many B24s that flew home when it didn't seem they could even remain in the air. There was one example in their group where the entire nose of the B-24 was shot away forward of the pilot's instrument panel. The pilot, using all the power he could get from the engines and partial flaps, somehow managed to make the English Channel before his fuel ran out and he ditched just off the Coast. Another remarkable example of the Lib's ability to absorb punishment was demonstrated by Lt. Bernard L. Ball while flying a Consolidated B-24-65 (Fort Worth built) on a mission to Yugoslavia. His aircraft, serial 44-10570, sustained a direct flak hit in the waist gun area. The explosion literally blew that area apart, killing one of the gunners, severing the rudder cables, and removing half of the upper fuselage in that spot. Lt. Bell flew the Lib home using engines and cowl flaps for directional control. By the time Lin had finished his thirty missions in the 8th in the Lib, he had grown to have a deep respect for the bird. He won't say that it was his favorite aircraft, but he will say:

It got us there and it got us back.


Lin's last meeting with the B-24 was a rather eerie one. He was visiting Wheelus Air Force Base in Tripoli, where he was discussing F-105 matters with the Air Force personnel at that base, when he was asked if he would like to see THE LADY BE GOOD. He had hear the story of the B-24D which had been abandoned by its crew when they got lost on their first mission in April 4, 1943. Their story is well known, so it won't be repeated, but the feeling he got when the chopper sat them down next to the aging B-24 under the broiling sun sent shivers down his back. The old bird had landed itself after the crew had bailed out, and had broken its back in doing so, but there is no doubt in his mind that the crew could have survived had they stayed with the airplane. After seventeen years in the dry desert air the airplane was still in remarkable shape. The ammunition in the gun belts still gleamed. Preserved in the Libyan desert, the B-24 suffered no corrosion. The fact that the airplane was virtually intact surprised Lin, for he had seen other crashed aircraft in Libya that were stripped clean within thirty minutes of their going down. The Arabs apparently consider THE LADY BE GOOD to be taboo. And some interesting things happened to those who stripped the B-24 for souvenirs.


The first C-47 that landed alongside the wreck had its radio fail, and the crew removed the radio from THE LADY BE GOOD, and crashed in Germany, killing all thirteen aboard. A helicopter pilot from Wheelus removed one of the Lady's engine plates and mounted it in his aircraft. He crashed and was killed. A newspaper reporter took one of the .50 caliber bullets from the waist gun as a souvenir. He was killed in a car crash in Europe a few weeks later. The base operations office at Wheelus removed one of the propellers from the Lady and mounted it in front of the office. Not too long thereafter the Libyan government took over Wheelus. Perhaps the Arabs knew what they were doing when they avoided THE LADY BE GOOD. She still lies in the Libyan Desert, a silent reminder to the too often overlooked career of an unsung heavyweight with an even heavier punch, a champion that never received the Laurels she so richly merited.

THE END - WINGS, February 1978, Vol. 8. No.1

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2004, 05:11:41 PM »
The 492:



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The Luftwaffe, in fact, was well organized on 7 July 1944. Liberators especially equipped to monitor enemy fighter frequencies actually heard the attacking ZG 26 pilots ordered to hit the "third formation" (i.e., the 14th Wing) as the "first formation" had too many escorting fighters protecting it.

The main enemy concentration from Magdeburg plus reinforcements from Southwest Germany, as many as 175 single engine and 125 twins in all, unleashed their attacks against the center of the column. Although one squadron of the leading 389th Group moving into Halle lost three bombers to enemy fighters when it strayed from the parent force, and the 489th lost one over Aschersleben, the majority of the attacks were hammered against the 14th Wing attacking Bernberg. As noted earlier the 44th Group was flying direct-ly behind the 392nd at a three minute interval. At the IP (the 44th noted in its mission report) "FOUR GROUPS OF B-24'S CAME IN FROM THE EAST AND IT BECAME NECESSARY TO SWING TO THE RIGHT... FIGHTER SUPPORT WAS EXCELLENT." In other words, the 492nd was now exposed to attack from the rear, and all local escort had gone with the 44th. Thus was the fate of the 492nd again sealed.



From six o'clock the enemy fighters fell on the Group's low left squadron like a sledgehammer. Capt. Ernest E. Pelkey's B-24 was hit, spun and then exploded with everybody still inside. Lt. MacMurray and crew went down for the second time under an enemy fighter's guns but without a trace of the luck they had experienced on 15 June  ( MacMurray and his crew had been Priller's 100th victim   over Normandy in June but had been able to make their way back to American lines and home to   North Pickenham )  

The battle raged up to and over and beyond the target, with the route marked by the wreckage of the Liberators of Watson, Harding, Jacks, Kilpatrick, Newman, Steneman, Frank Haag, Smiley and Bocksberger.                                                                                                                      

All twelve persons in Harding's lead aircraft managed to bail out but were badly beaten, and one killed, by German civilians when they landed. Everybody but the nose and tail gunners left Jacks' B-24. The latter was dead, but Sgt. Vince Bradeka, trapped in the nose turret by fire, was far from it.The aircraft circled for five minutes before it crashed, while enemy fighters continued to make passes. Bradeka was seen shooting until the end.                                                                        

Events aboard Frank Haag's aircraft were equally grim. The copilot and radio operator were dead on the flight deck, which was a total wreck. Two gunners were dead at their stations, and there was a fire in the bomb bay. Meanwhile in the nose compartment the following was taking place - quoted verbatim from what must be one of the classic action vignettes of World War II. This was written by Haag's navigator, Lt. Ralph Goloven, upon his release from POW camp in 1945:

"When leading a mission I always found it best, after definitely establishing the IP and target, to ride on the nose wheel doors, giving the bombardier complete freedom of the little space in the nose. We had always flown B-24J's whose nose wheel doors open upward. This time we were flying a B-24H, whose nose wheel doors open down-wards, and I had forgotten this, otherwise I would never have been on them. After bombs were reported away, I heard the pilot say rudder control was lost, and though there was much firing I didn't think it was anything serious. Interphone was shot out soon after, and about two minutes past the target I noticed that the nose gunner, who always was so careful about shooting in short bursts and handled his turret very smoothly, must have been hit for the turret suddenly and violently slewed around to the right and the ammo tracks leading to the turret from the ammo boxes in my compartment were running wild. I started to get up from the wheel doors when I noticed the bombardier look out one window, then the other, rip his flak suit off and snap on his parachute. I still didn't think too much about the matter but took my flak suit off in order to move more quickly into the nose to help the nose gunner. Something prompted me to reach for my chute which was on the catwalk to the right and (I) had just started to get from my knees to climb into the nose when the bombardier hit the emergency release, and out I went with chute in hand. Later the bombardier told me he saw the plane completely on fire in the wing section and, fearing immediate explosion, thought only of getting out fast.

"After falling I managed to hook the left side of the chest pack and, after pulling rip cord with no result, ripped the chute pack open by hand, coming down with only the left side fastened. I still believed nothing serious had hap-pened. Next day I found out our ship had exploded in mid-air."
 

George Haag, flying in the lead squadron, watched his brother's plane go down.


The 492nd lost one other at Bernberg - the only aircraft lost from the lead squadron. Small deviations in routes and timing  had placed the 453rd and 492nd on a collision course. As the formations, both under fighter attack, approached each other Major Heaton, sitting between the seats of Konstand's lead B-24 as Command Pilot for the mission, nudged the pilot and pointed to the on-coming Liberators. Lt. Konstand, an utterly dedicated officer whose only intent at that moment was to bomb his target, acknowledged their presence with a single comment: "They're empty and we're full. Let them move over!"

Just then the aircraft flying deputy lead for the 453rd, which actually was a PFF Liberator supplied by the 389th, was hit and veered toward the on-coming 492nd with its right wing on fire. The events that followed are again quoted from the mission diary of Lt. Crowley.

"Lt. Cary was flying on our right wing - his wing tip practically in our side window. I was called to the back of the plane by Sgt. McCarthy whose heated suit had shorted and was burning him. I tried unsuccessfully to fix it and finally sent him to the flight deck to keep warm while I remained in back to man his window gun. I took over the gun facing Cary. Suddenly Sgt. Coomer, the nose gunner, started quite a fuss on the intercom as he saw another plane thundering in on us head-on. We all floated about 2 feet off the floor as O'Sullivan put it into a steep dive. Just as he did I saw the two planes come together. It almost seemed like slow motion; Cary's wing was sheared off, the plane seemed to stay in level flight as the gasoline poured out of the wing just as though someone were emptying a tumbler of water. Then it started to go all directions at once."

Both B-24s spun in, leaving a single parachute in their flaming wake. Underneath the canopy was the collision's only survivor, the navigator from Cary's crew....".  


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The Sturmgruppe closed on the American Group's Low Squadron, as Hauptmann Wilhelm Moritz split his force into its three component Sturmstaffeln and directed them against different parts of the enemy formation. Leutnant Walther Hagenah was one of the German pilots who took part in the attack;

     " My Staffel was in position about 1,000yd behind 'its' squadron of bombers.The Staffel leader ordered his aircraft into line abreast and, still in close formation, we advanced on the bombers. We were to advance like Frederick the Great's infantrymen, holding our fire until we could see 'the whites of the enemy's eyes'.''

 The tactics of the Sturmgruppe were governed by the performance of the wing-mounted 3cm cannon. Although the hexogen high-explosive ammunition fired by this weapon was devastatingly effective, the gun's relatively low muzzle velocity meant that its accuracy fell off rapidly with range . With only 55 rounds per gun, sufficient for about five seconds' firing, the Sturmböcke could not afford to waste ammunition in wild shooting from long range. The sky was alive with a withering hail of defensive fire from the bombers. As the unwieldy fighters slowly advanced on the bombers, the Sturmbock pilots could only grit their teeth until they were right up close against the bombers. The huge bulk of the radial engine and the heavy armour plate around the cockpit allowed the Sturm force to press on with a certain impunity, as Hagenath remembers

" like the armoured knights in the Middle Ages, we were well protected . A Staffel might lose one or two aircraft during the advance, but the rest continued relentlessly on ."

 Positioned now about 100yd behind the bombers  the Staffel leader barked out the order to open fire

' Pauke ! Pauke ! ..'.

From such a range the Staffel could hardly miss, and the 3cm explosive rounds struck home . Just 2 rounds could take the tail off a B-17 , and a B-24's fuselage structure was not as sturdy.  The enemy bombers literally fell apart in front of the Sturmgruppe.


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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2004, 07:49:33 AM »
the author of this story was a B-24 pilot with the 467th Bomb Group based in Rackheath, England. He died in 1993. His name was Ted Williams.
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Mission 5 - March 2, 1945
Our overcast weather prevails as we prepare for a mission to Magdeburg, another deep penetration into the heartland of the Reich. Our target is the Krupp tank works, and a re-visitation of the area of my first mission. Magdeburg was considered a tough target as it had a formidable system of anti-aircraft defenses. I won't say that I was very worried about this one, but I was resigned to the realization that it would not be easy.
We flew "Monster", aircraft #4440166, and carried twelve 500 lb. GP bombs. Our position was in the low loft element of the 2nd squadron.
Because of the near solid cloud cover over the target, we were briefed to bomb H2X method, which is by radar. Enemy fighters attacked the group ahead of us but did not hit us at this time.
It was a squadron of ME 109s and they used a frontal attack for openers. This was a tactic we had been briefed on, and is the ultimate game of "Chicken" or "Aerial Roulette". The enemy planes flying in line abreast (wing tip to wing tip) came in headon at the same altitude as the bomber formation.
Their closing speed is over 500 MPH and they start firing when within range. These enemy pilots know that the bombers will not waver, so they are reasonably sure they will not collide unless something goes wrong or they miscalculate.
This is a devastating and terrifying thing to experience. As they approach they roll upside down while firing, and dive under the bomber formation, break off and come back to attack from all directions.
We could not see too much of what was happening because the lead group was some distance ahead and to our right. A couple of the bombers dropped out of the formation trailing smoke.
As we approached the IP we could see flak coming up ahead of the lead squadron, and by the time all three squadrons had made the turn on to the bomb run the barrage became intense and very accurate. As our standard procedure required that we take no evasive action on this leg of our attack, we could not help but feel like the proverbial "sitting ducks". This was perhaps the most nerve wracking part of any mission. It was like the 4th of July grande finale times ten!
One ship in the 3rd squadron lost an engine and we were to find out later that of the 29 planes in our group, 14 received moderate to heavy flak damage. Amazingly no one was wounded.
With great relief we released our bomb loads at 23,000’, and still bracketed by bursting shells changed course and altitude to the rally point.
Because of the clouds being socked in over the target we were unable to observe our hits.
We were headed for home , but it wasn't over yet. As we skirted the gun positions of the Hanover/Brunswick area we were attacked by another squadron of ME 109s. This was our first direct encounter with Luftwaffe fighters. They came in behind and to the right of us so we could not see them when we first heard the alert. Now they were all around us like a pack of hornets, and appeared to be working in pairs. They hit our third (trailing) squadron on the first pass, and one of the planes, #117 piloted by Lt. Reed, had an engine shot out. This bomber was the same one that lost an engine over the target, so now they were in serious trouble. With two engines out they could not maintain their speed to keep up with the group. They were now straggling below and behind our formation and easy prey for the German fighters.
Fortunately our own fighter escort had rejoined us after the rally point and wore now engaging the 1099 in dog fights. Two Messerschmitts made a diving pass from 9 o'clock high and disappeared under us. At that instant the plexiglass window beside my head shattered and our right hand manifold pressure gauge and the left side mixture control gauge disintegrated in a split second. My #1 engine was also hit, and there were several holes along the left wing.
It was determined later that a single stray 20MM bullet had done the damage to the instrument panel, tore through the nose wheel compartment, and exited through the lower right of the nose section.
Our tail gunner reported to me an the intercom that Lt. Read's plane was going down trailing a plume of dirty smoke, but was not on fire, and still seemed to be under control. No chutes were seen. As it disappeared in the undercoat my navigator had its position as approximately 25 miles north of Osnabruck and heading toward Dummer Lake a well known check point for aircrews.
Things were happening very fast around us. One of our P-51 Mustangs was shot down and the pilot was seen to bail out.
I was being blasted by sub-zero wind coming through the shattered window when my flight engineer handed me a heavy wool face mask to put over my head. I had to remove my steel helmet. oxygen mask, and goggles to put it on, so I turned the controls over to Tom for a few minutes. The mask felt good against the icy cold and I wore it most of the way back.
As I adjusted my oxygen mask and checked the pressure gauge I could hear some excited chatter on the intercom. Some one said, "Jesus! look out to the left!” I could hardly believe my eyes, but there sitting about 40 feet off my left wing was an ME 109. As I stared in shock the German pilot lowered his flaps and landing gear and just flew right along with us.
Two P-51s had "corraled" him and his only safe way out was to slide into our formation. Our fighters could not fire at him and our gunners could not fire at him without hitting each other. For this to happen at all shows the high degree of excitement at and confusion with these encounters.
It seemed like a long time that the German plane hung there, but it was actually only a few minutes. Never again would I be this close to the enemy! Our eyes met as he looked from side to side. Everything seemed so vivid it was almost hypnotic. There was a number 8 just forward of the iron cross painted on the fuselage, and what looked like a yellow serpent on the nose.
Suddenly the wheels and flaps retracted and the plane rolled upside down and disappeared below, the P-51s in pursuit. We never saw them again so do not know the outcome, but we were all rooting for the Luftwaffe pilot and hoped he got away. I thought he was not only daring to do what he did, but very clever also.
We theorized that he may have been out of ammunition or that his guns were jammed when the American fighters closed in on him. He was a skillful pilot to say the least and I would like to have met him after the war just to congratulate him and compare notes.
From the beginning of the enemy attack this whole scenario probably lasted no more then ten minutes. The difference between life and death is measured in minutes and inches.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2004, 01:12:38 PM »
Ecke...

I kinda hope the 109 guy got away too...that time...

Kinda tough to root against someone when you can look beyond the machinery and the flag he flies under, and see him as another human being...IMO

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2004, 02:06:51 PM »
as my grandmother would say :

"cheeky monkey"

That pilot had gonads of the finest polished brass.

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2004, 03:37:01 AM »
Well I hope he was shot down and killed.