Author Topic: AIW9800Pro/Fan Chg. (Read 1896 times)

aSTAR · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2004, 12:31:11 PM »

What is RADLIKER, and where do I D/L it from?
Thanks.
BTW do you remove the TOP black grommets first then push or pull out the bottom grommets?

aSTAR · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2004, 12:32:19 PM »

How did you clean up the VGA?

ChasR · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2004, 04:59:45 PM »

S-eagle,
Rage3D Tweak is the program I use. It integrates into the ATI Control Panel. To overclock, you just move two sliders, one for the VPU the other for Vmem. I recommend you start the 9800 @ 425/350. Go up 5MHz at a time and run theAquamark3 benchmark (it runs much faster than the 3DMark benchmarks). Look for atrifacts, snow will be the first to appear testing the VPU and white horizontal lines on the memory test. Keep going up on the VPU in 5MHz increments till artifacts appear and back off 5 from that point. Now do the same for memory. My AIW 9800 pro clocked to 455/380 and ran the benchmark flawlessly. Scored 6900 on 3DMark and 51,000+ on Aquamark3.
The fan isn't really glued on but, the thermal tape used has some adhesiveness. When the fan comes off you'll be looking at a little square, the VPU, maybe 15mm on a side, surrounded by circut board surrounded by a square steel shim. The thermal tape residue on the VPU can be cleaned off with isopropanol, ethanol, or zylene on a Qtip.
The Zalman Cooler allowed me to gain 30MHz on the VPU overclock over the stock fan. Next, I'm going to put a waterblock on the vpu and hook it up to the hydrocool and giant ramsinks on the memory and see what I can get to.
One thing I should mention, If you run with v-sync on in AH as Skuzzy recommends, overclocking may not make any difference. My system runs @ 85 fps, monitor refresh rate, stock or overclocked. In AH2 it will make a difference of maybe 10 fps. I haven't tried running the monitor @ 100Hz to see if the card can keep it @ 100 or not (the picture is smaller on this monitor @100Hz). I ran it with v-sync off for a while and saw numbers in the high 200s but the fact is the monitor will not display frames in excess of its refresh rate. The excess frames are dropped which could lead to choppiness.

aSTAR · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2004, 08:26:09 PM »

A BIG thanks on that info, I have a couple of questions, but later,
again TY.

Wilbus · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2004, 06:57:21 AM »

Pull out the small pins from the top first (pull the thinest part of the top, like a small head) then push from bellow after that heat up the heatsink some so the glue is warmed up (use a hairdryer) and remove the heatsink.

Clean the GPU/VPU (same thing) with alcohol, I used a thing called "T-Red", bout 70% alcohol in it, the more alcohol the better, wouldn't go bellow 70% though.

Using this Zalman fan I can go up about 110Mhz on the GPU and 30Mhz on the Memory clock before I see artifacts so one hell of an improvement, you won't be able to go up as much as you're using a 9800 though, it's a bit warmer afaik.

I'll be away from home for two weeks now so might not be able to get a computer and answer questions.

Good luck!

Dingbat · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2004, 08:00:59 AM »

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Originally posted by ChasR
s-eagle, I hope not to bore you with stuff you already know, but I'm avoiding work I really don't want to do so you get the long answer.:
It's seriously overclocked. blah blah blah

You're running stable at that speed? Prime95 runs without error for 24 hours? If so, I'm impressed considering most of the people I know couldn't reach that speed and survive prime95 without error.

ChasR · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2004, 04:12:09 PM »

Hadn't run prime95 on it. Now that I have, I guess I'll eat some crow and join the club with most of the rest of the people you know. I couldn't get it to run prime 95 @ 3.75GHz at any voltage between 1.6 and 1.75 (It locked up in windows @1.75). It ran memtest fine, and PassMark burnin test without error and certainly seems stable @ 3.75Ghz but won't run prime95 through the first test (less than 5 min). It will run it @ 3.6GHz (240 x 15). I'll just have to start from there and see where it tops out. I thought I might max out the 3.0Ghz chip before getting the bus speed up to 1000MHz and considered buying a 2.8 instead, but whatever, it's still pretty fast even if I don't make my target.

aSTAR · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2004, 07:01:20 PM »

Why is everyone want to get 1,000,000 FPS, when anything over 25 FPS will give you enough definition and flying capabilities:confused:

I am guilty of this, but are we just going on to beat the Joneses:D

Must be a marketing thing:confused:

OK, back to OC the computer:aok

BTW, thanks to all for the help on this, a GREAT FORUM this is:aok

Dingbat · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2004, 05:15:15 AM »

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Originally posted by ChasR
Hadn't run prime95 on it. Now that I have, I guess I'll eat some crow and join the club with most of the rest of the people you know. I couldn't get it to run prime 95 @ 3.75GHz at any voltage between 1.6 and 1.75 (It locked up in windows @1.75). It ran memtest fine, and PassMark burnin test without error and certainly seems stable @ 3.75Ghz but won't run prime95 through the first test (less than 5 min). It will run it @ 3.6GHz (240 x 15). I'll just have to start from there and see where it tops out. I thought I might max out the 3.0Ghz chip before getting the bus speed up to 1000MHz and considered buying a 2.8 instead, but whatever, it's still pretty fast even if I don't make my target.

Did you disable spread spectrum? Still a damn good OC if you ask me...
I've got mine at 3070, I seem to fail prime95 any higher. I think with better ram I'll be able to push it. I can run it at 3.2 with no stability issues but can't pass prime95

My 9800 non pro is running right now at 391/330

and continuing to clime, thanks to your link on the util.

ChasR · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2004, 07:37:36 AM »

I'm not familiar with "spread spectrum". Where does one disable it and why?

Dingbat · « **Reply #25 on:** January 19, 2004, 08:49:48 AM »

Spread spectrum is disabled in the BIOS, under Advanced Chipset Settings, IIRC. Toms hardware says this:
"Spread Spectrum Control: This function is used for meeting the specifications when complying with the CE acceptance test. Enabling it leads to a noticeable deterioration in performance. That's why it should always be disabled! "

Memory timings : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/p4-mem.html

BIOS Guide: Good read

http://www.rojakpot.com/freebog.aspx

ChasR · « **Reply #26 on:** January 19, 2004, 06:05:09 PM »

Spread spectrum isn't an option in the bios for the IC7-MAX3. It is in the bios on the NF7-S so I disabled it on my work computer. Aquamark 3 score went up about 16 pts.

aSTAR · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2004, 11:07:12 PM »

D/L 2504 OMEGA drivers, WOW, MUCHO FPS (30FPS)additional Plus DingBat's suggestion on disabling Spread Spectrum has really
smoothen out and increased my FPS:aok

I get 403 FPS looking up, 173 in tower no clip board, and usually 200+ while flying straight ahead.

Need to stop this clean up or my Monitor will go to the MOON:lol

Thanks ALL for your help in achieving these wonderfull results.

S-EAGLE

ChasR · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2004, 06:00:21 AM »

Dingbat,
After reading the article on memory timings, I started playing with them to see if the Corsair DDR500 memory would run with tighter timings now that it's running @ DDR490 (and running prime95). I got it down from 3-4-4-7 to 2.5-4-3-5 and low and behold the computer is faster than it was @ 1000MHz. Thanks for the link.

Dingbat · « **Reply #29 on:** January 20, 2004, 08:12:47 AM »

Any time, I found that link to be a goldmine, the read was very loong but packed with info...