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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2004, 11:39:07 AM »
Isn't that how Heinlein created Lazarus Long?

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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2004, 11:59:46 AM »
2bighorn: Miko, Mengele (and some modern-day eugenics) would be proud of you...

 Eugenics is a state policy of trying to improve the population's genepool. As a libertarian I am flatly opposed any state actions besides ensuring people's safety and security of property.

 If you think that considering intelligence of a prospective mate due to desire to have smarter children or subcidising an intelligent couple (as long as it is voluntary) is equivalent to torturing innocent people, your thinking is really screwed up.
 Or do you think I am dangerous for just believing the clear statistics gathered by hundreds of studies that intelligence is inheritable? How fascist of you...
 Anyway, Eugenics is not a german invention but as american as apple pie. Tens of thousands of people were involuntarily sterilised in US in 1920 and later and from US the practice spread to scandinavian countries and other.


Tuomio: For example make certain joints or bones more stronger, maybe make muscles grow faster with little exercise etc.

 That is a facinating idea. In modern times when food is not scarce, there is no survival penalty for carrying extra muscle mass - or less fat - even if it is unused and requires some increase in caloric intake.

 Sure, we can all face a famine where people without energy reserves would starve first. But instead of carrying extra 20 pounds of fat with weak muscles, one can use the extra muscle mass to carry around 30 pounds of nutritious food in a backpack. Unlike body fat, it can be dropped escaping up a tree or offered to someone - sparing him the need to eat you. :)


ravells: First I've heard of it. I've always understood (albeit it was some years ago when i discussed this with some psychologist friends) the results were inconclusive because there were so many other variables

 That theme is so non-politically correct that I myself stumbled onto it few years ago while doing research on the origin and operation of various evils of modern times. It was just one more book that had place reserved next to "The Prince", "Mein Kamph", "Das Kapital" and "The General Theory" on my "bad guys" bookshelf. :)

 The infamous "Bell Curve" by Herrnstein and Murray is a must read for either suppoorter or opponent of "nature vs. nurture" argument. It has a good general overview of the fundamentals and discusses several studies including massive NLSY, but being a social text, it mostly uses as a given the underlying science covered in more detail in books like Jencen's "The g Factor" - which is a real explanation of why and how the intelligence is inherited. The underlying biology, the tests that do not involve concious decision making - and thus are not subject to culturl bias, the explanation of math involved, etc.

 Lynn's "Eugenics: A Reassessment (Human Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence)" and "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" cover a lot of material and contain a comprehensive bibliographies.
 Lynn is a proponent of state-conducted Eugenics which is anathema to all freedom-minded people but the validity of his science is not affected by his atrocious political views.

 With those few names you can discover a whole lot of stuff on the net published as articles, interviews and excrepts, since the books are quite expensive except "The Bell Curve" which is a bestseller and should sell for about $12.

 Of course one you check the industry journals of evolutionary psycholohy and biology and genetics, etc., the picture there is diametrally opposite to the one painted by the mass media. Few scientists wish to ruin their careers coming publicly as Murray (Herrnstein was dying anyway) and Jensen, but in trade journals that no outsiders read, they are quite explicit.

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« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2004, 12:01:29 PM »
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINS!!!

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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2004, 12:05:57 PM »
If testing on animals will help my grandchildren one day, then bring it on. Animal activists can kiss my ass. We humans didn't get to the top of the food chain to eat grass, damnit.

We can't live without animal products. Leather is a popular material, and beef is a great meal.

Screw PETA...I'll take mustard on my ham and Swiss, please.

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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2004, 12:10:36 PM »
texace: We can't live without animal products. Leather is a popular material, and beef is a great meal.

 I would be willing to pay extra few cents a pound to have the animal I eat slaughtered humanely. I am sure most would agree with me.

 miko

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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2004, 12:10:44 PM »




Oh, oops..sorry...



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Trouble no one about their religion;
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2004, 12:12:01 PM »
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Originally posted by miko2d
texace: We can't live without animal products. Leather is a popular material, and beef is a great meal.

 I would be willing to pay extra few cents a pound to have the animal I eat slaughtered humanely. I am sure most would agree with me.

 miko



I do..my "New York" friend.
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life." - Chief Tecumseh

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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2004, 12:41:12 PM »
I never said anything amout inhumane slaughter. I do agree with humane slaughter.

But, at the same time, I do not like having the same crap shoved down my throat by PETA. I considered them a whacked-out group before, and after the "Fur Is Murder" flyer incident I now laugh at them whole-heartedly.

I'm all for humane slaughter...I never said anything about it. :D

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2004, 12:42:38 PM »
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empathy for other creatures ?

i ate cow last night. There was a chicked yesterday. Piggy ham... good stuff... then as I walked home, I was responsible for mass murdered of ants and other small crawling animals.
I took a shower and attempted genocide on all the bacteria on my body, I thought I heard their dying screems "WHY ???!!!" as they washed down the drain.
Then I did my laundry, detergent killed more microbes then there was casulties in all World Wars combined..
I think tonight I'll have sushi... talk about slaughter... tuna, salmon, red snapper, yellow tail, shrimp.... oh boy. Just call me Adolf !!!!


Amen brother.  :)

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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2004, 12:46:53 PM »
Seconded, Funked. :aok

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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2004, 12:56:07 PM »
How can you learn anything about sick human brains from studying a healthy animal brain?  Seems to me you'd want to study the sick human brains to see what's wrong.  I believe that's the current path for Alzheimer's research and the discovery that there's an increased amount of a certain protein in key areas of an Alzheimer's victim's brain.

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2004, 01:03:42 PM »
The animal brains differ from the human ones not as much in brain chemistry as in the organisation. So a deseases that are caused by disruptions of brain chemistry can be studied on the animal brains easily. Probably not allof them but many.

 They did a lot of heart-transplants on dogs before they did it first on a human.

 miko